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Maine coon: How to get him to settle at night?

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Barney Lerten - 18 Apr 2004 06:30 GMT
I know cats are nocturnal. But Salem, our otherwise wonderful, playful,
clownish (I've read up on the breed - it's so true!) 18-month-old "kitten,"
has gotten into a bad habit.
At first, when we rescued him from the shelter last fall, we kept him in a
closed room (with water, food, litter), and he whined (they trill, actually)
and scratched at the door for a bit, then settled down. Eventually, we tried
letting him stay out during the night, and he seemed to be doing well for a
while. (Oh, and we also have a much smaller, 8-year-old korat, Nooni, who
obviously was trained at a young age to settle down at night.)
Well, the problem is, we love his pre-nightnight purrs, licks, etc. But it's
when we turn out the light and say it's night night time, he will NOT settle
down. We wouldn't be bothered much if he was in the rest of the house,
scampering as he does. But what he does is, he trills (it'll wake you from
ANY stage of sleep) and paws (not scratches really, but just enough noise to
wake you) at the bathroom door (in our master bedroom). If we shout or
chase, it becomes a game. If I scoot him out of the bedroom with a bottle
cap (his favorite fetch toy, collects them by dozens), then he trills/whines
and paws at OUR (bedroom) door.

Some nights he's pretty good and gives up. But others, well, I don't know if
doing the bottle-cap fetch a buncha times before we go to bed winds him DOWN
or UP. Our friend at local shelter suggested some pheremone thing that can
settle cats in safe mode (a plug-in - like Glade?) -- and I'll admit, we're
not the most consistent folks in our go-to-sleep hours, etc. (But hey, who's
the owner and the ownee here? I know, I know, the old joke - dogs have
owners, cats have STAFF;-)

Just curious if me and the missus are overlooking any simple answers (like
ignore him and put the pillow over our heads to muffle the whining trills.)

When we read that Maine coons retain their kitten-like curiosity and
playfulness well into the adult years, we just wonder what to do. I guess we
could figure out a way to put him a room that's safe from his "what if I
slide this off the table/desk/counter?" play, but... the maddening thing of
course is, like our other cats over the years, once they've "gotten us up"
in the morning, THEN they settle down! (Usually on our bed, the way we wish
Salem would;-)

Anyway, thanks for reading this - we do love him and will put up with this,
but ... we do know Maine coons don't react, for example, to the water spritz
as behavior mod - they love it!

Barney in Bend, Oregon
M.C. Mullen - 18 Apr 2004 10:52 GMT
| Just curious if me and the missus are overlooking any simple answers (like
| ignore him and put the pillow over our heads to muffle the whining trills.)
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|
| Barney in Bend, Oregon

Erm, maybe I missed something, but why *can't* he roam freely in the night?
My cats do. I make sure I fill up the dry food before I go to bed and I
always give them wet food which they like at lunch time. So they have no
reason to wake me up at all in the mornings. But when they hear the radio
alarm go off they often come for a cuddle! (That's why I have been at work
at the last minute recently, but don't tell anyone!)

Carola
Agua Girl - 18 Apr 2004 05:14 GMT
> Erm, maybe I missed something, but why *can't* he roam freely in the night?
> My cats do. I make sure I fill up the dry food before I go to bed and I
> always give them wet food which they like at lunch time. So they have no
> reason to wake me up at all in the mornings. But when they hear the radio
> alarm go off they often come for a cuddle! (That's why I have been at work
> at the last minute recently, but don't tell anyone!)

I may have misunderstood but I understood that the cat was making
too much noise at night.  I don't think they want to lock it up as much
as they want it to calm down so working folk can sleep :-)

I used to have a dog (bless her heart) that used to keep me up
too with all her night noises.  (mostly snoring but it sounded like
a wrecking crew)  I didn't have the heart to kick her out of my
bedroom since she had been sleeping in there for the past 13
years.  What I did do was drown her out with white noise.  Sounds
funny to battle noise with noise but it usually works.  Try getting
an inexpensive sound machine that works on a timer much like an
alarm.  You put it right near your heads on a nightstand or something
and then listen to the ocean or whatever you find soothing.
Because the noise is constant your conscious mind will quickly move
it to the subconscious.  The noise may also settle the cat a bit.

As for the running over the bed, licking people etc.. you could
try bringing out a new toy in the other room that is only for
nights.  Something that requires more hand paw coordination
than just chasing like those boxes with all the holes that have
an object inside for the cat to try and extract.  It has to be a laying
down or sitting down activity though, not chasing as that will just
work them up.  Most of all, you have to ignore her.  All animals
(and people) respond to attention....good or bad.  If you can
first occupy her, then drown her out and ignore her no matter
what she will eventually get the idea.  May require a few frustrating
weeks but it will be worth it.

One last thing...have you tried sleep aides?  For you, not the cat  <g>

AG
Barney Lerten - 18 Apr 2004 23:10 GMT
AG,
You got it right - we don't want to confine him, just try (yeah right) to
get him on our body clock. That may well be impossible.
My wife DOES have an alarm clock that can make ocean waves, etc. Might well
do what you suggest, and just leave it on all night. If we can just sleep
through his noise, you're right, he'll catch on.
Thanks,
Barney
PS: Nope, not gonna let THIS cat drive us to sleeping pills;-) (To drink,
well, that's another story;-)
m. L. Briggs - 18 Apr 2004 23:17 GMT
>AG,
> You got it right - we don't want to confine him, just try (yeah right) to
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> PS: Nope, not gonna let THIS cat drive us to sleeping pills;-) (To drink,
>well, that's another story;-)

Here's to you!
Lowell - 19 Apr 2004 05:25 GMT
When mine yells outside the door and I don't want to get up to let him in, I
yell "Go away!" a couple of times, and usually he does go away.  If it's
time for me to be getting up, though, that doesn't work so great; he keeps
yelling until I let him in.

> AG,
>  You got it right - we don't want to confine him, just try (yeah right) to
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>  PS: Nope, not gonna let THIS cat drive us to sleeping pills;-) (To drink,
> well, that's another story;-)
MAdams - 20 Apr 2004 06:31 GMT
But it's
> when we turn out the light and say it's night night time, he will NOT settle
> down. We wouldn't be bothered much if he was in the rest of the house,
> scampering as he does. But what he does is, he trills (it'll wake you from
> ANY stage of sleep) and paws (not scratches really, but just enough noise to
> wake you) at the bathroom door (in our master bedroom). If we shout or
> chase, it becomes a game.

This is probably reinforcing (increasing) the behavior. You are providing
attention.

If I scoot him out of the bedroom with a bottle
> cap (his favorite fetch toy, collects them by dozens), then he trills/whines
> and paws at OUR (bedroom) door.

Door pawing, which in past, has been reinforced by your opening the door and
providing attention and bottle caps.

> Some nights he's pretty good and gives up.

Test whether the nights he gives up are the nights when you don't answer and
deal with it. However, because you sometimes answer the door and other times
don't, you might be producing a variable schedule of reinforcement. You are
shaping the door scratching into a persistent behavior that can last for a
long time. Be careful.

But others, well, I don't know if
> doing the bottle-cap fetch a buncha times before we go to bed winds him DOWN
> or UP.

This may work if you play with him till he is somewhat fatigued and looses
interest. At that point, you have provided enough attention. Not a bad idea
to decrease the likelyhood of his future craziness. However, you can test
this idea also. Try it some nights and compare it to nights you don't play
before bed.

Our friend at local shelter suggested some pheremone thing that can
> settle cats in safe mode (a plug-in - like Glade?) -- and I'll admit, we're
> not the most consistent folks in our go-to-sleep hours, etc. (But hey, who's
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> in the morning, THEN they settle down! (Usually on our bed, the way we wish
> Salem would;-

> Anyway, thanks for reading this - we do love him and will put up with this,
> but ... we do know Maine coons don't react, for example, to the water spritz
> as behavior mod - they love it!

The water spritz is only one example of behavior mod. Many cats would find
water aversive and avoid the behavior contingently spritzed. Most people are
inconsistent punishers and therefore this doesn't work. However, for your
cat, the water spritz sounds like a reinforcer that increases the behavior
you are spritzing for. I would try to avoid aversive methods and provide
attention to alternative behaviors that are incompatible. Ignore and/or try
to prevent the behaviors you want to decrease. It's tough. I spent months
shaping my Rosie to scratch a post instead of my couch through differential
attention for "good behaviors". The result has been terrific for her and me.

Good luck.-Marc
Tina and Shane - 20 Apr 2004 20:40 GMT
I just wanted to add also, to remember that you need to catch bad behavior
before it happens.  For instance, if you have a problem with your cat or dog
getting in the garbage.  When you are gone, do not leave the garbage around
for him to be tempted, put it up.  But when you are home, put it within his
reach, and wait...make sure to watch him/her really good, and when you see
him about to get into the garbage...stop it before he does it.  The animal
doesn't put together you saw him about to do it, he just knows that he
hadn't done it...only thought about it...therefore...you must know what he
is thinking.
> But it's
> > when we turn out the light and say it's night night time, he will NOT
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>
> Good luck.-Marc
BigNetBuy - 24 Apr 2004 13:25 GMT
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>clownish (I've read up on the breed - it's so true!) 18-month-old "kitten,"
>has gotten into a bad habit.

*************
Tough love, baby.  Lock him in the laundry room, hang blankets over the door to
keep down the yowling.  After a week, let him back in for single night trials.
If he's bad, he goes back in solitary another week.  If he's good, he gets to
stay until he's bad.  Will only take a few weeks and he'll figure out why.
Trust me, you'll have a better cat later.

- Big
"{BNB} is a little Net-Trollop.  He sluts his wrath all over the place." - John
Boyd

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Kit - 03 May 2004 06:10 GMT
My only advice is too keep the door open for him.They love open door's.
Kit
rpl - 03 May 2004 17:45 GMT
> My only advice is too keep the door open for him.They love open door's.
> Kit

Is there a winter cat-door?, ie: one that allows the cat to move freely
but doesn't cost a small fortune from heat-loss(for those of us in
less-than-balmy climes)

pat
canada
M.C. Mullen - 03 May 2004 23:07 GMT
| > My only advice is too keep the door open for him.They love open door's.
| > Kit
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| pat
| canada

How about cutting a piece out of an old woollen blanket or the like? Then
attach it to the cat flap. Cats should be able to get along with it.
My cat flap has a magnet at the bottom which makes sure that it closes well.
It has worked so far. I realised that I had placed the flap in a silly way,
just above the water pipe, and cold air drops. That pipe has been frozen
before, and I was annoyed at myself for placing the flap there, but with the
magnet it seems to close so well that I have had no problems during the past
two winters, and they were well below minus.

Carola

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