Cat Forum / Rescue / October 2003
Pet Sitter Seattle and eastside areas also about "Old George"
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D Harrison - 18 Sep 2003 19:20 GMT Hi. I am new to the group and pet sit around eastside and seattle areas. I sit with cats and dogs and have been involved with many personal and group rescue efforts for cats and dogs. ALso, the person with "old george" - I have a lot of experience with ferrel cats. I would recommend waiting a few months before calling a vet that would come to your house - I would definitely not try to take him to the vet. There are always one or two in every city. I would also clean his ears with q-tips and ear mite medicine that you can get at the vet or any pet store. This is the most common problem with cats. Old George sounds like he is in good health now except for the ear mites. Feel free anyone to email me at springmanon@hotmail.com (my main email) for pet sitting or any questions about your kitties. D. Harrison, spiritwhole.com
Sharon Talbert - 25 Sep 2003 20:54 GMT Would the caretaker of "Old George" please contact me at my org address?
Sharon Talbert Friends of Campus Cats (feral cats, that is) sharon@campuscats.org
Marek Williams - 28 Sep 2003 05:26 GMT >Would the caretaker of "Old George" please contact me at my org address? That would be me. Thanks for the invitation, but I prefer to communicate through the newsgroup.
Old George is lying in the doorway to the computer room as I sit here. He's curled up with a smile on his face. His tummy is always full now. He's decided he likes to be near me. He's also decided he likes to be petted, although he still becomes alarmed if I try to comb the rear of his back. I also still haven't enticed him up to my lap. When I pet him he still feels bony, but I can sense a bit of meat on the bones now.
We're still making progress. His coat continues to look better every day. And there have been no more accidents in the house. (Keeping fingers crossed.) He hasn't used the litter box once, although I did notice a couple cat footprints in it. He seems to prefer to use his little kitty door and go outside. As long as he does so reliably, that is perfect as far as I am concerned.
He's still pretty tentative about the house, like he's worried he'll do something wrong. And he's still never uttered a meow. But that's OK. He has other ways to communicate that work just as well.
He's turning into a real sweet cat.
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Priscilla Ballou - 28 Sep 2003 19:31 GMT [snip]
> He's turning into a real sweet cat. Thanks for the update! My mother, who's not on Usenet, has asked me to keep her informed because she loves his story. I've passed this on to her.
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Marek Williams - 29 Sep 2003 05:02 GMT >>He's turning into a real sweet cat.
>Thanks for the update! My mother, who's not on Usenet, has asked me to >keep her informed because she loves his story. I've passed this on to >her. Today we had a little setback. I came downstairs this morning (he's never been upstairs -- I think the stairs may be hard for him) and he was waiting at the bottom of the stairs, obviously wanting breakfast. He followed me into the kitchen and I gave him a can of cat food, then went about making myself ready for the world.
As I went into the computer room I noticed a bit of poop on the rug (washable, thank goodness) and about six feet further, some kitty vomit. It was pretty clear he'd had some plumbing distress in the night. When I went to clean it up I noticed the vomit had all kinds of things in it, including what was clearly a piece of cooked onion and other bits of vegetables. He certainly didn't get that from me. I might share a bit of my meals with him, but I give him only the meat.
In other words, the little beggar is obviously still scrounging in the neighborhood. Probably a lifetime of being on his own has created habits that will take a while to forget.
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Robert Casey - 29 Sep 2003 23:32 GMT >In other words, the little beggar is obviously still scrounging in the >neighborhood. Probably a lifetime of being on his own has created >habits that will take a while to forget. > > Cats do need a small amount of veggie material. Not a lot, but some. One of the big brands of dry cat food are selling an "indoor" formula so our cat won't eat the house plants.
Does he let you pick him up yet? When a good time comes, take him upstairs for the night.
Marek Williams - 30 Sep 2003 06:55 GMT >Cats do need a small amount of veggie material. Not a lot, but some. One >of the big brands of dry cat food are selling an "indoor" formula so our >cat won't eat the house plants. Well, yeah. But not cooked onion. :)
>Does he let you pick him up yet? When a good time comes, take him >upstairs for the night. It's too far from his kitty door. It's really quite a long way for him to get outside if he has to go. I could put a litter box up there, but this evening he pooped on the rug again -- right while I was sitting here at the computer. I just smelled it, got up, walked out of the computer room and there he was, just walking away from it. He had been lying out there for the past couple of hours. Looks like he just got the urge, stood up and did it right where he was. I used a pretty angry tone of voice and I think he realized I was not happy. Not sure if he'll connect the anger with what he did. I'm becoming really concerned. How do you housetrain an old cat who may have never lived indoors? He has never used the litterbox I set out for him.
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LauraK - 30 Sep 2003 07:14 GMT > How do you housetrain an old cat who may have never lived >indoors? He has never used the litterbox I set out for him. Try putting dirt on top of the litter to see if he'll get the idea. Or maybe put a litter box right outside the cat door for awhile. Maybe if it smells like "outside" he'll make the association. Or maybe he'll use it outside and then you can slowly bring it inside and he'll continue using it.
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m. L. Briggs - 30 Sep 2003 18:46 GMT >>Cats do need a small amount of veggie material. Not a lot, but some. One >>of the big brands of dry cat food are selling an "indoor" formula so our [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >concerned. How do you housetrain an old cat who may have never lived >indoors? He has never used the litterbox I set out for him. Maybe re-training is in order. If you can pick him up, carry him to then litter pan and place him in it. Then take his paw and make scratching motions with it. Place your hand on his lower back and gently push it into sitting position.
On the other hand if he is becoming incontinent -- then he cannot help it. My Siamese lost control of the urine shortly before her death. I wish you good luck. It is hard to see a loved pet fail. MLB
Marek Williams - 01 Oct 2003 03:45 GMT >Maybe re-training is in order. If you can pick him up, carry him to >then litter pan and place him in it. Then take his paw and make >scratching motions with it. Place your hand on his lower back and >gently push it into sitting position. I haven't gotten to the point where I can pick him up yet. It's taken me two months to get to the level of trust where he wants to be petted.
>On the other hand if he is becoming incontinent -- then he cannot >help it. My Siamese lost control of the urine shortly before her >death. I wish you good luck. It is hard to see a loved pet fail. He's not incontinent. I think he may have some gastric problems, but not real incontinence. The problem is that it doesn't seem to occur to him that indoors is not appropriate. Even when I see him poop outdoors he just stands up and does it, then walks a few feet away and lies back down again. He doesn't ever cover it.
I have discovered something else, though. Today I was driving home and I came around the corner where the lady who was feeding him before lives. Sure enough, there was Old George, by her side door. I knew he was still going down there. It's like he spends half his time at my house and half at hers.
I proceeded up the street to my house, pulled in the driveway and immediately walked down the street. When I walked around the corner he was eating something. I walked over to see and he was eating spaghetti out of a dish. The lady was sweeping her porch at the time. She said she had given him the spaghetti, but it was the first time she had given him anything in weeks. I suspect that is not completely true. I bet that is where he got whatever it was that had the onion in it the other day. It remains a mystery to me why he eats that kind of food at her house when his food dish at my house has real cat food in it. The only thing I can think of is that he has lived on stuff like that all his life, so maybe that is what he thinks food is supposed to taste like.
The lady is really nice. She is old, but not at all forgetful or feeble-minded. I can't really be cross with her, since she did really save him from starvation. She said she wasn't going to give him anything more to eat, and I hope she sticks to it. It's that kind of garbage food (for a cat) that is giving him intestinal upsets and perhaps making it harder for him to get outdoors in time. At this point I think the problem is half from the trash he is eating and half from his failure to feel shame about going indoors. Remember, when I started with him a few months ago he was mostly feral and had spent most of his life outdoors, living on handouts and whatever he could scrounge. He may never have lived indoors before. I think he will be more reliable about going outdoors if he doesn't feel the urgency because he has the runs. (The three incidents in the past 24 hours were a bit loose, although not completely runny.)
As for putting dirt on top of the litter box, I already did that, but he still has never used it. So far he has pooped indoors five times (three in the last 24 hours and the previous two several days earlier), and has peed twice, also several days earlier. All incidents have been in the walkway area where I go through the living room to the computer room, about four meters long.
I'm going to get a different litter. The kind I bought originally was just whatever was cheap at the store, and later I added the dirt on top of it. I read about a kind of litter that supposedly attracts cats in another post recently, but I can't find the post now. Does anyone know what the brand name is? When I purchase it I'll fill the litterbox with it and place it in the middle of that area.
In the meantime, the carpet in the living room is old and will be replaced sometime next year, so it's not a total catastrophe. And I have the carpet shampooer out now, filled with water and ready to go. I'm prepared for the next accident.
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Marek Williams - 30 Sep 2003 01:39 GMT Re: Old George
I got home early enough today to stop at one of the vets in the area. I inquired about Revolution and the nice lady vet sold me some ($13.75 for enough for two dosings). However, I have a couple questions.
First, she asked how much George weighed and, of course, I had no idea. He's a full size cat, but pretty skinny. We guessed he was in the 5 to 10 lb category.
She did not have the correct size in stock, so she sold me one in a brown package and gave me a syringe to divide it into two doses. However, the package says it is for "dogs 10.1 - 20 lbs in weight." According to the literature sheet that came with it, the tube contains 60 mg selamectin. The sheet also said that cats of up to 5 lbs should have 15 mg and 5.1 to 15 lbs should have 45 mg. A cat of 10 lbs, therefore, should have 30 mg (using a little math). However, George does not weigh 10 lbs; he's probably closer to 7-8 lbs. Furthermore, it says to use cautiously in underweight animals. George is not only still pretty skinny, but he's really old and has had a tough life. I'm thinking I should divide the 60 mg into three doses of 20 mg for starters.
Also, I'm just a bit concerned because the box says nothing about cats on it. It just says it is for dogs. Of course, it is still selamectin, so I guess that doesn't really matter.
Then there is the problem of getting into the tube. The instructions say to push down on the cap to puncture the inner seal (with a little picture), and then remove the cap. I pressed until I thought the cap was going to penetrate the flesh of my thumb. Then I tried to remove the cap. No luck. It's just plastic so, if push comes to shove, I have a knife I can use on it, but is there some trick to getting the cap off the tube? I don't want this stuff squirting all over the room!
Meantime Old George is turning into a real glutton for attention. When I pet him he doesn't want me to stop. If I stop he reaches up with his paw and tries to pull my hand back. I usually acquiesce and let him have some more. After all, the poor old guy has a lot of lost time to make up for,
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LauraK - 30 Sep 2003 07:11 GMT >However, the package says it is for "dogs 10.1 - 20 lbs in weight." >According to the literature sheet that came with it, the tube contains >60 mg selamectin. The sheet also said that cats of up to 5 lbs should >have 15 mg and 5.1 to 15 lbs should have 45 mg. A cat of 10 lbs, >therefore, should have 30 mg (using a little math). It's the same stuff. Just packaged in larger quantities for dogs than for cats.
>I'm >thinking I should divide the 60 mg into three doses of 20 mg for >starters. I'd go with that and see how it works. The vet used it on a kitten I adopted that had earmites. Heck of a lot easier than trying to get drops in the ears.
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Marek Williams - 01 Oct 2003 03:11 GMT >>thinking I should divide the 60 mg into three doses of 20 mg for >>starters. > >I'd go with that and see how it works. The vet used it on a kitten I adopted >that had earmites. Heck of a lot easier than trying to get drops in the ears. OK, I've decided on 20 mg doses. But I still can't get the stupid tube open. There must be some secret. I'm afraid to use too much force or the stuff will squirt all over. Has anyone ever seen a vet open one of these things? I'm about to get out a knife.
Wait ... there's an 800 number on the box. I'll call Pfizer tomorrow and make them tell me how to get it open.
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