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Cat Forum / Rescue / February 2007Cat at my rescue is sick I need donations!
There is a cat at my rescue with FLUTD Feline lower urinary tract disorder and he has a bad blockage I need donations ASAP to fix him or he will have to be put to sleep..... www.milorescue.co.nr You'd actually have a cat put to sleep for a UTI unless we send money? I'd be careful of this one people. Though UTI's and the like are serious, I'd have to question how a rescue can miss the warning signs before the blockage. There are plenty. Scratching around in the litterbox and straining to pee is one. Urinating in places other than litterbox is another. Also, crying while using the litterbox is another. The fact that a rescue group would actually have a cat euthanized for this kind of issue if people didn't send them money makes me question their ethical practices. Yes, money can be tight in small rescues but not too many of them will consider putting an animal down if the problem can be fixed as plenty of them deal with vets that either volunteer their time or will do the surgery at a reduced rate. The other factor about this one is that the rescue is outside the U.S. and given the scams we have these days, you don't know if your money is actually going to be used for the purpose of saving an animal, paying someone's salary, or simply put being put in someone's bank account where you never see the person again. Tread with caution on this one people. > There is a cat at my rescue with FLUTD Feline lower urinary tract disorder > and he has a bad blockage I need donations ASAP to fix him or he will have > to be put to sleep..... > > www.milorescue.co.nr I got the cat in this condition I am a very small non profit and the vets in my community don't want to help. All they want is they're money. 1 vet told me that I could pay half now and half in 2 weeks so I paid upfront the first half and he isn't getting any better... they won't do surgery to unblock the partial blockage unless they have the full amount ($467.96) up front. If I don't have the money unfortunatly there is no other option than to euthanise the animal as there isn't even another shelter that will accept the cat. The reason I took him was to try and save him in the first place. The lady I got him from was going to throw Squirt outside. I have refrences from people that have adopted animals from me in the past if you need them e-mailed to you. I have no other option than to ask for help and Squirt only has a couple of weeks before he is totally blocked. Most of my cash after paying bills goes to food for the animals and food for myself. I don't have the extra to put out at the momment. Squirt is on Walthams SD diet right now and he is still urniating blood. I post here because there are a lot of animal lovers here that probably would like to help. Although I am in Canada I don't understand why this is an issue....is this a strict US newsgroup? This is not a scam... and even to suggest that of somebody genuinely asking for help is unfair. Thank you all for your time ~Laura >I got the cat in this condition >I am a very small non profit and the vets in my community don't want to [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >~Laura How about the vets name, address, phone number, etc if there really is one?? this is pathetic..... if you don't believe me don't donate! The vets name is on my website the address and phone number is there also ~Laura >this is pathetic..... if you don't believe me don't donate! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >~Laura Do you issue incime tax receipts? Do you have charity status with Canada Revenue Agency? >I got the cat in this condition >I am a very small non profit and the vets in my community don't want to [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >~Laura Call other cat rescues and have them recommend a cheaper vet. This is an outrageous price to be charging. >You'd actually have a cat put to sleep for a UTI unless we send money? I'd >be careful of this one people. Though UTI's and the like are serious, I'd [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >account where you never see the person again. Tread with caution on this one >people. It isn't a scam. It's a small legitimate cat rescue. >> There is a cat at my rescue with FLUTD Feline lower urinary tract disorder >> and he has a bad blockage I need donations ASAP to fix him or he will have >> to be put to sleep..... >> >> www.milorescue.co.nr > It isn't a scam. It's a small legitimate cat rescue. Thank-you and no I don't have charity status....I am non profit and un registered I just do what I can to help ~Laura >> It isn't a scam. It's a small legitimate cat rescue. > >Thank-you and no I don't have charity status....I am non profit and un >registered I just do what I can to help > >~Laura Take the deposit you left with the vet. Shop around for someone who will do it for 1/2 price. DONT talk to them on the phone, talk in person. Talk to people in other cat rescues. Maybe if you gave them $200 and the cat they would perform the operation. It can't hurt to try. Good luck, but my resources are all tied up at my own cat rescue organization in the Fraser Valley. > Take the deposit you left with the vet. Shop around for someone who > will do it for 1/2 price. DONT talk to them on the phone, talk in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Good luck, but my resources are all tied up at my own cat rescue > organization in the Fraser Valley. I will do that...thank you The thing is in Edmonton here the cat rescues and the SPCA even the pound is so full they are all euthanising cats by the 100's.....it's horrible. If I can't get the funds together before March 1'st I don't know what to do... Thank you for your support ~Laura ps. do u have a website? >> Take the deposit you left with the vet. Shop around for someone who >> will do it for 1/2 price. DONT talk to them on the phone, talk in [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >ps. do u have a website? http://www.pawsworld.com/fvhs/ If you are non-profit and unregistered then you might be breaking the law. You can't expect people to donate without any kind of proof that you are a legitimate rescue. Most of them are licensed and have tax ID numbers.  SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com >> It isn't a scam. It's a small legitimate cat rescue. > > Thank-you and no I don't have charity status....I am non profit and un > registered I just do what I can to help > > ~Laura I am not breaking any law in my city... I have proof.......I have references from the many adoptions I have done. I don't understand why you are so bent on making everyone's life harder would u rather I stop rescuing cats? and have them out on the streets dying? Some people are cruel and you sir are one of them ~Laura >I am not breaking any law in my city... >I have proof.......I have references from the many adoptions I have done. >I don't understand why you are so bent on making everyone's life harder >would u rather I stop rescuing cats? and have them out on the streets dying? >Some people are cruel and you sir are one of them Rescuing cats is one thing, asking for money is another. I'd hate to hear about you getting into trouble. Talk to your attorney about charitable solitations. From the IRS web site: Many states have laws regulating the solicitation of funds for charitable purposes. These statutes generally require organizations to register with a state agency before soliciting the state's residents for contributions, providing exemptions from registration for certain categories of organizations. In addition, organizations may be required to file periodic financial reports. State laws may impose additional requirements on fundraising activity involving paid solicitors and fundraising counsel. An IRS training document describes these requirements in greater detail. Charitable organizations may wish to contact the appropriate state agency to learn more about the requirements that may apply in their state, before soliciting contributions. In some states, municipal or other local governments may also require organizations soliciting charitable contributions to register and report. Bud SignatureThe night is just the shadow of the Earth. >>I am not breaking any law in my city... >>I have proof.......I have references from the many adoptions I have done. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >Bud Didn't you see her web site? She's in Canada. The IRS is an alien organization. Foreign laws do not apply in Canada. She is breaking no Canadian law. She is young and naive, but honestly rescuing cats. Anybody can ask for money. You don't need charitable status to do so. This being said, it would be wise of Laura to get charitable status since this would make people more likely to donate. I would also suggest that she gets together with like minded people and form a larger organization, one more likely to get discounts from more vets due to buying power. She seems to be a "lone wolf" at this point in her activities. Just because they put up a web site doesn't mean that her rescue is legitimate. I'm not sure what the laws are in Canada but if they are similar to the United States then she will need to file as a non-profit and pretty much file the right paperwork in order to become legal. Here are a few sites that she might want to read. http://www.charityvillage.com/cv/guides/guide4.asp http://www.managementhelp.org/strt_org/strt_np/strt_np.htm While her wanting to rescue cats is noble she really should file the necessary documents in order to be listed and become a legal non-profit. Without doing that, she's going to have a lot of people question her group's existance when they ask for her non-profit tax ID or filing status number. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 07:54:52 -0600, William Hamblen > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > due to buying power. She seems to be a "lone wolf" at this point in > her activities. >She is breaking no Canadian law. Look into the Uniform Chartiable Fundraising Act, then. Bud SignatureThe night is just the shadow of the Earth. > Look into the Uniform Chartiable Fundraising Act, then. This is straight from the act mentioned above again I am breaking NO laws Charities that raise annual gross contributions of less than $25,000 are exempt from the requirements of the Uniform Act. This was to recognize the burden additional regulation could place on smaller organizations. >> Look into the Uniform Chartiable Fundraising Act, then. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >organizations. Read your email. I'm sending it now. Part of your problem soliciting funds is that the contributions wouldn't be tax deductible (here at least) because you don't have official non-profit status. I would contact rescue groups in your area and see if you can work a deal to use their vet at their cost if you cover the cost. W >> Look into the Uniform Chartiable Fundraising Act, then. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > organizations. I'm cruel? I don't think it's wrong or cruel to ask how you are able to operate without a license and a tax ID. Most legitimate groups have the necessary paperwork to prove they are a non-profit and thus allowed to operate. If I was a cruel guy then why would I donate money every year to rescues who BTW, are legally allowed to operate, have the necessary tax ID #'s that prove their non-profit status? Nobody's telling you to stop rescuing cats but you can't blame people for asking if you are legal to operate. Also, scammers abound on the internet and when someone comes on asking for money to help a cat or they'll be forced to euthanize them is not only a bad tactic to use but also unethical. I have worked with many rescues and none of them have said "help this cat or I'll have them euthanized if I don't receive any money." A lot of the smaller rescues and even some of the larger ones will often work with vets that can have procedures done at a reduced rate. Nobody is making your life harder and I don't think it is unreasonable to ask if your rescue group or organization is legally allowed to operate especially if someone who wishes to donate asks for your tax ID # so they can write off the money they gave you as a donation. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com >I am not breaking any law in my city... > I have proof.......I have references from the many adoptions I have done. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > ~Laura Take a chill pill. Many rescue groups get started with just one person. I can understand being guarded about sending money to people before checking to make sure it's legit but someone who is working on their own and can't afford to pay this vet bill undoubtedly doesn't have the money to pay to establish the corporation and apply for non-profit status. W > I'm cruel? I don't think it's wrong or cruel to ask how you are able to > operate without a license and a tax ID. Most legitimate groups have the [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> ~Laura That isn't the point at all. The main point is, how can she start a rescue if she doesn't have the financial means to handle getting care for one cat. If she can't pay to get one cat's operation or treatment then how will she handle the many others she intends on helping. I recommend she volunteer for a larger rescue and do fostering for them. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > Take a chill pill. Many rescue groups get started with just one person. I > can understand being guarded about sending money to people before checking [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >>> >>> ~Laura Every person who starts a rescue group isn't independently wealthy. The anticipation might be to just have to get shots and speutering to start with and the OP happened upon a cat with more expensive needs. I said it is wise to check out anyone before you send them money. In this case have you discovered anything that would indicate this person to be running a scam? If so please share the results of your research. > That isn't the point at all. The main point is, how can she start a rescue > if she doesn't have the financial means to handle getting care for one [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >>>> >>>> ~Laura >If you are non-profit and unregistered then you might be breaking the law. >You can't expect people to donate without any kind of proof that you are a >legitimate rescue. Most of them are licensed and have tax ID numbers. What Laura is, is a young woman with few resources who is rescuing cats on her own. Quite legal and commendable. You're right about one thing--she should have a charity number. I'd go further. She needs to team up with more people and incorporate. Laura, people are suspicious because you are trying to raise $ on the usenet. The usenet is a nest of thieves. What we do at our rescue is to maintain a mailing list and request donations from people who have previously adopted one of our cats. We also hold garage sales, bake sales, have donation boxes in vets offices, accept Canadian Tire money, get grants from the city.ETC. maybe I should also say I'm 19 work part time and go to school also... I do what I can to help... being called a "scam" before I'm checked into isn't fair... don't call down on people you don't know. I've done a lot within the last 3 years and have been doing this for the last 7 years but the last 3 have almost been all of my free time. I don't drink do drugs or spend my money on anything that isn't a necessity. I have put out so much already all I'm asking for is help. Anything you can spare is nice and will help. I get donations sometimes but it's very rare and mostly it comes from people who adopt from me. I work very hard to find homes for the feral cats in my neighborhood (and there are many) I have rescued 109 kittens and 36 feral adults all of which had to be caught tamed down and socialised before they could be rehomed. This was just last year (2006) Everything extra I have goes into my rescue. Thanks for listening to me rant and rave ~Laura maybe I should say the post above was directed at Cat Protector ~Laura And I answered. BTW, how will you handle it if someone has a problem with a cat and wishes to return them for whatever reason or they ask you for your non-profit tax ID # and you don't have one to give them? Perhaps you should read the advice given to you. It might make your functioning as a non-profit easier. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > maybe I should say the post above was directed at Cat Protector > > ~Laura That isn't the point. Asking for money in order to save a cat's life and then saying the cat will be euthanized if nobody sends you money raises the question of this scenario as being legitimate. People are very reluctant to send money to an organization or individual they don't know. I resent being called a cruel person because I called into question whether you are legally allowed to operate. If I was such a cruel person then 3 of my cats would not have gotten such a great home and I wouldn't have dedicated myself to helping cats for so many years by getting most of the ones I've found placed into legal non-profits so they have a chance to being adopted into good and loving homes. Most of those who have rescues need to file for exempt non-profit status. If you don't have the money to do so then why not become a member of a legitimate rescue as a volunteer? That would be an excellent place to start before attempting to start your own rescue. Many times the legal non-profits have access to resources like vets who will do certain procedures like spaying and neutering at a lower cost. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > maybe I should also say I'm 19 work part time and go to school also... I > do what I can to help... being called a "scam" before I'm checked into [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > ~Laura Just keep really good records of what you spend on your kitties and what donations you have received. You don't need problems with the tax man. I think you'll need them if you ever get large enough to apply for non-profit status. W > maybe I should also say I'm 19 work part time and go to school also... I > do what I can to help... being called a "scam" before I'm checked into [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > ~Laura While you're reading/writing on usenet about your non-profit status, etc..., how is the cat doing? My suggestion, since this is an urgent health problem, is you put a picture of the cat on a donation box, write a little paragraph saying exactly what's the matter with it and how much you need for the operation. See if the vet will let you put it right on their counter, or find some store(s) or business(es) who will. The money will come. Sit outside on a sidewalk with a chair and a table with the cat in your arms if you have to. Wait, it's too cold for that. Just a good picture then! > Just keep really good records of what you spend on your kitties and what > donations you have received. You don't need problems with the tax man. I [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > > > ~Laura thank you for the idea Laurie...the cat is doing great there is a lady that I doggysit for and her boyfriend gave me the full price of the surgery. However this cat will need ongoing medical care for it's life along with medical food and examinations on a 3 month basis for the next year. I've decided to keep him......he needs too much care to let him go to any home. The vet has agreed to do all of the next care on bi-weekly payments so he will be well taken care of. Thank you all for responding (with one exception 0.o) ~Laura > While you're reading/writing on usenet about your non-profit status, > etc..., how is the cat doing? My suggestion, since this is an urgent [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> > >> > ~Laura
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