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Cat Forum / Rescue / June 2006Fixing the Feral Problem:What Does, Does Not Work
Does not work: TNR. It only slows it down. As the colonies age their members die off (even without active removal) and new cats come in, being unfixed, and breed profusely. Feeding the cats. Boy, that's a no brainer. If no one fed them on purpose the die off would be much higher. Education. Cat education is not going to work, because, well, cats are cats. Eating, sleeping, f.cking, pissing, sh.tting, killing and caterwauling are cat activities. Study is not. Language is not. Educating people about cats is equally unsuccessful because when it comes to cute little kitties, people are equally incapable of logic or rational thought. Does work: LAWS making it illegal to release cats-period. A cat in your posession is yours. You are responsible for it, and if female, kittens it has from impregnation through birth whilst in your posession. You may care for it and keep it on your property, you may sell or give it away to responsible new owners or you may give it to the pound or put it down humanely. People are not responsible about cats, but they are responsible about not going to jail. CLEANING UP after ourselves. That means securing garbage and foodstuffs. My theory is that feral cat populations exploded when incineration ceased to be the way supermarkets and restaurants stopped handling food garbage. Incineration is actually much more responsible environmentally as ashes from exclusively edible remnants are good fertilizer. NOT FEEDING unowned cats. Cat lubbers caught feeding feral cats should be made responsible for those cats including cat licenses, immunizations, neutering, and most importantly held liable if Morris the feral at the dumpster claws a kid or gets in a house and kills a $500 parrot. Finally: ELIMINATING feral colonies when they become a nuisance. Anti-elimination propaganda is voodoo math at its finest. Clear out a colony, and keep clearing out strays in the area, and new colonies never form. I agree with everything you have just said EXCEPT the killing part. TNR does NOT work but catching taming and rehoming does work. I know I have been doing it for years. People that feed them should defenitly be given a large fine UNLESS those people are catching them with food for the porpose of rehoming the cats. ~Laura > Does not work: > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > colony, and keep clearing out strays in the area, and new colonies > never form. TNR does work and it has been proven by groups like Alley Cat Allies and even AzCATs which specialize in dealing with feral cats. Rehoming and taming does nothing. When you remove a feral cat from their environment more come in to take their place. Once a feral cat is feral, by trying to tame them you will often have a difficult road ahead and the cat will often hide. BTW, no cat will ever be 100% tame. You can't even breed their wild instincts out of them. As for feeding the cats that is why they have caretakers. Feral cats will often run away from most people but a caretaker they know will sometimes come up to them.  SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com >I agree with everything you have just said EXCEPT the killing part. TNR >does NOT work but catching taming and rehoming does work. I know I have [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >> colony, and keep clearing out strays in the area, and new colonies >> never form. good luck with that. Taming and rehoming does work if you have the time and space. Also if you are catching the cats quickly with live traps and you remove at least 7 a week or 2 a day even the colony is captured quickly and yes feral cats DO become tame trusting animals and you CAN get rid of all their wild instincts. I have many myself that have been tamed and are very loving loyal cats although once a feral cat they always have to be indoors unless leashed. > TNR does work and it has been proven by groups like Alley Cat Allies and > even AzCATs which specialize in dealing with feral cats. Rehoming and [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] >>> colony, and keep clearing out strays in the area, and new colonies >>> never form. I hate to say it but you are not solving the problem. Many groups have proven that TNR is the most effective and best way to deal with feral cats. You can never breed out nor take away a cat's natural wild ability so taming is pretty much a misconception. Also, remove a feral cat from an area more will just come in and take their place. That is a fact. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > good luck with that. Taming and rehoming does work if you have the time > and space. Also if you are catching the cats quickly with live traps and [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] >>>> colony, and keep clearing out strays in the area, and new colonies >>>> never form. > I hate to say it but you are not solving the problem. Many groups have > proven that TNR is the most effective and best way to deal with feral cats. > You can never breed out nor take away a cat's natural wild ability so taming > is pretty much a misconception. Also, remove a feral cat from an area more > will just come in and take their place. That is a fact. I will support TNR when you can convince me you can get every single cat out there, and sufficiently educate or terrorize the populace no one will release fertile cats ever. Until then, the principles of source reduction, non-natural food supply elimination, and REDUCING TO POSSESSION of Felis Domesticus not properly owned by cat owners under control, are the proven and time tested methods that work. You are obviously and idiotic troll. Perhaps you need to read about TNR. BTW, intentionally starving a cat is animal cruelty and also not a proven method. Of course you seem to enjoy talking out of your a.s on this topic. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > I will support TNR when you can convince me you can get every single [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > POSSESSION of Felis Domesticus not properly owned by cat owners under > control, are the proven and time tested methods that work. Oh boy Bret is really trying to be a big man again You know what they say about people who try and talk big they are just a little small in other departments > You are obviously and idiotic troll. Perhaps you need to read about TNR. > BTW, intentionally starving a cat is animal cruelty and also not a proven [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> POSSESSION of Felis Domesticus not properly owned by cat owners under >> control, are the proven and time tested methods that work. > You are obviously and idiotic troll. Perhaps you need to read about TNR. > BTW, intentionally starving a cat is animal cruelty and also not a proven > method. Of course you seem to enjoy talking out of your a.s on this topic. I am not talking about putting cats in captivity and not feeding them. I am talking about keeping garbage away from what are ostensibly wild animals and not feeding cats you don't own that are on their own. It's misguided cat lubbers that artifically inflate feral numbers out of proportion that require me to do what I do. Do you feed bobcats, cougars, lynxes, wolves, coyotes and foxes? If the answer is NO, but you feed ferals, you are a kitty and doggie racist. Pure and simple. I'd shoot cougars all day if they were a threat to humans, but since they are manifestly not (in my area) I leave them alone unless one becomes a problem. I had a neighbor that had one for a pet, I used to sit with her on the couch and scratch behind her ears. They had a house cat too and I would pet it, I certainly meant neither any harm. Ferals-true ferals- are a serious problem and that, not cat hating per se, is my motive. When their numbers decline to where they are not, I guarantee I'll find a better use for the time. I'm going to the Surplus Hut for some more of that cheap 7.62x39, case lot. See you there. Tally Ho! No you were cruelly saying they should be starved. You have done nothing but talk out of your a.s and have no experience whatsoever with feral cats. Why don't you just admit that you are an idiot and simply leave the newsgroup? That would be the best thing you could do. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > I am not talking about putting cats in captivity and not feeding them. > I am talking about keeping garbage away from what are ostensibly wild [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Tally Ho! > No you were cruelly saying they should be starved. You have done nothing but > talk out of your a.s and have no experience whatsoever with feral cats. Why > don't you just admit that you are an idiot and simply leave the newsgroup? > That would be the best thing you could do. Feeding your own cats is mandatory. Feeding ferals is prohibited. Verstehen Sie? I'll make you a deal: keep garbage and man-supplied food away from ferals, and I'll keep the Prestone away. As I said does it make you feel like a big man to talk about hurting small animals You are such a big man Brett real big such a shame when you look in the mirror reality sets in and you hear the laughter > As I said does it make you feel like a big man to talk about hurting small > animals > You are such a big man Brett real big such a shame when you look in the > mirror reality sets in and you hear the laughter How do you feel when you think about the native WILDLIFE in AMERICA, and in AUSTRALIA, and EVERYWHERE ELSE with FERAL CAT INFESTATION, that are MURDERED so you can harbor stupid illusions about your cute packs of killers? You are a lot bigger than a bluebird, an oriole, a purple martin or even a weasel. Physically, but not morally. You have a brain but you'd rather think with your a.s. You are rotten, rotten to the core. The farals I have killed and will continue to kill, I don't have anything peraonal against. They are merely doing what evolution and human breeding have programmed them to do. The humans who turn them loose and mollycoddle them are the real bad actors, but unfortunately they vote and animals don't. And every time you talk about killing these supposed cats. All I hear is laughter for we know you are so full of yourself that we know you are making yourself look bigger than you are. Any person that spouts the stupid crap that you do is so full of themselves that all we can do is feel pity for them and or laugh at them. But you are used to that is started with your parents and has continued through out your whole life and will continue till you die. > And every time you talk about killing these supposed cats. All I hear is > laughter for we know you are so full of yourself that we know you are making [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > parents and has continued through out your whole life and will continue till > you die. Like Adolf Hitler is supposed to have done, repeating the lie over and over is supposed to make it true. But it doesn't. If you want to believe I don't kill feral cats i hope you continue to do so. Those of us who are responsible know what end is up. We'll continue to make happen what needs to happen. With bullets, ethylene glycol, snares, arrows, whatever it takes. We prefer the most humane method which is a clean rifle shot. But if poisons are the only way because of the constant presence of cat lubbers, so be it. We face the same problem in pigeon infested areas with the pigeon lubbers. (Felis domesticus isn't much good at pigeon control, sadly, yet another reason he has to go when in feral colonies.) As I said such a big man do you feel better now that you got your rant out. Maybe if you buy a blow up doll for yourself you can even feel like a bigger man but a sure bet is you have one already. We all know the truth about you. You let everyone know your true self when you do one of your rants. Such a poor pathetic pitiful creature. I don't know either to laugh at you or call someone for you Do you really think anyone cares about your big boy rants. Life has passed you by so you have and try to control everything around you. Poor creature, I and everyone else finds you so laughable I can see your are such a pitiful person from your writing. Do you go to sleep hearing their laughter, Do you walk by someone and see them pointing fingers and laughing at you. You know they do have something called counseling maybe someone can help you with your feeling of loneliness, inadequacies. <<snip>> > Do you really think anyone cares about your big boy rants. Life has passed > you by so you have and try to control everything around you. Poor creature, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You know they do have something called counseling maybe someone can help > you with your feeling of loneliness, inadequacies. The only inadequacies here are between your ears, and legs. Cuntsap. Typical response can't find anything better to say or Did I hit to close to home
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