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Kay - 13 Feb 2005 03:57 GMT
I don't know what to do. I have a big problem and I don't know what to do.

I have been taking care of feral cats that were born in my  yard. I
bulit a shelter with heat, and have did the best I could for them.

I talked to my neighbor just two weeks ago, telling them about the cats
and what I plan to do. I asked them if they are bothered, they said they
were not and they could tell which ones were mine because they look well
cared for and act "nicely" they said they have no problem and if they do
have any trouble they would let me know and I would fix it.

this moring I was sitting on my couch and I hear a cat cry out. I rushed
to the window and saw my neighbor trapped Blackie. He ran the cage into
his garage. i calle dout, Is that my cat and what are you doing? He said
it was his property and he was going to catch all of them and slammed
the door. I was calling my husband and was crying, I looke dout the
window and a car pulled up and they openmed the garage and rushed the
cage into a truck and it sped off.

I called the police and they said I had to prove it was my cat. I tried
to explain what feral was and that they were going to be fixed and
realeashed. ut they wouldn't help, the pound said I have to prove with
vet papers. I don't even know where they took him. I ahve been crying
all day and have been tryign to trap the other two I hav eone in a pet
taxi and I don't know what to do. I knew and were friends with my
neighors for 10 years without a fight, I am in shock and I am missing
Blackie and I don't know what to do. When I catch them what do I do. I
have called every place and no one can help. My heart hurts so much
right now.

Kay
Hi Im WEEniE with My    Fav4ite Midi - 13 Feb 2005 14:04 GMT

Betrayed and upset  

Group: rec.pets.cats.rescue Date: Sun, Feb 13, 2005, 3:57am (EST+5)
From: never@youmind.com (Kay)
I don't know what to do. I have a big problem and I don't know what to
do.
I have been taking care of feral cats that were born in my yard. I built
a shelter with heat, and have did the best I could for them.
I talked to my neighbor just two weeks ago, telling them about the cats
and what I plan to do. I asked them if they are bothered, they said they
were not and they could tell which ones were mine because they look well
cared for and act "nicely" they said they have no problem and if they do
have any trouble they would let me know and I would fix it.
this morning I was sitting on my couch and I hear a cat cry out. I
rushed to the window and saw my neighbor trapped Blackie. He ran the
cage into his garage. i called out, Is that my cat and what are you
doing? He said it was his property and he was going to catch all of them
and slammed the door. I was calling my husband and was crying, I looked
out the window and a car pulled up and they opened the garage and rushed
the cage into a truck and it sped off.
I called the police and they said I had to prove it was my cat. I tried
to explain what feral was and that they were going to be fixed and
released. but they wouldn't help, the pound said I have to prove with
vet papers. I don't even know where they took him. I have been crying
all day and have been trying to trap the other two I have one in a pet
taxi and I don't know what to do. I knew and were friends with my
neighbors for 10 years without a fight, I am in shock and I am missing
Blackie and I don't know what to do. When I catch them what do I do. I
have called every place and no one can help. My heart hurts so much
right now.
Kay

That is messed up. They could of been doing this all the time ad when
you had that heart to heart talk with them and they're telling you what
they figured you wanted to hear? They were having a laugh at your
expense & the cats. Do you have your own vet you bring those cats too. I
live in West Springfield,Mass and there's this woman who lives in
Springfield,Mass and she does the same thing you do.She know some people
who help out also. She said people think that if they get rid of the
ferral cats in their neighborhood that everything will be fine but
according to this woman they couldn't be more wrong. Only another cat
rescuer or maybe you would know what I mean. What your neighbor did is
sneaky & cruel & to make it worst they are suppose to be your friends.
That's low
Kay - 14 Feb 2005 05:33 GMT
> That is messed up. They could of been doing this all the time ad when
> you had that heart to heart talk with them and they're telling you what
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> sneaky & cruel & to make it worst they are suppose to be your friends.
> That's low

Its like a nightmare. I keep chekcing to see if they out out the trap.
Our porches are close. Blackie is used to getting fed on the porch, they
put food in and Blackie trusted. The day before this happened, I
actually got to play with Blackie with a toy and petted the cat.
I haved called everyone. The only help I got was an offer to get them
fixed at a discount. I trapped the 2 remaining siblings and got them
releashed in a place where a neighbor is taking care of a colony. The
siblings do not know them, I hope they are okay. I miss Blackie so much.
 My whole family is shocked and upset.

Kay
Hemmaholic - 13 Feb 2005 14:26 GMT
Kay,

This is so sad to hear!  Unfortunately, since they are feral there
really is not much you can do about the neighbor.

Call all of your local Vets and ask if they know of any refal cat
rescue organizations in your area.  Tell them your story and see if
they can get you some immediate assistance to trap the remaining
animals.  At least by going through a feral rescue that is highly
involved with a TNR Program you will know that the animals will be
given proper care.  If adoptable, they will go to good loving homes.
It may not be possible to release the others back into their "home",
but it may be possible to relocate them to a farm home.  Relocation is
not easy and is not the preferred method, but sometimes there is no
other choice.

I applaud what you have been doing to care for these animals and I know
exactly how attached we can get to these feral cats, even if they don't
allow any physical contact.  I've been caring for a family a ferals
since last June and have found I get very protective of them!  I just
recently was able to make contact with an organization in a neighboring
county that is going to assist me with TNR and have been greatly
relieved.  The remaining kittens in my little colony are quickly
approaching that age where new kittens can be produced and that time of
year when the mother cat may also have another litter.  I am hoping to
avoid this!  The kitten sin my group are a little too old to be tamed
to any extent, although a couple will occasionally let me pet them, but
only while they are eating - my reward I suppose!

Please do try to locate a TNR group in your area so you can get some
help with this situation.

Your neighbor is a real piece of work. Still, I would try to talk to
them again; perhaps there has been a misunderstanding about what you
were going to do.

Feel free to email me directly if you'd like.  We can at least compare
notes on our feral families.

Rebecca
aka:Hemmaholic
Kay - 14 Feb 2005 05:40 GMT
> Kay,
>
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> Rebecca
> aka:Hemmaholic

Its no mistake. And I tried everywhere. They said I can only Trap, treat
adn release in my yard. that was the only offer, with a discounted
operation. If you read th eother post the two siblings were moved by a
neighbor who takes care of a colony. I hope they don't try to come back
even if Imiss them. I hope it is far enough. I have warned all cat
feeders that I know of around me there are 4. The neighbor said he was
going to catch them all. i don't know if that ment the cats in my yard
or more.

The hurt part of me wants revenge. I hate to admit it but its true.

Kay
Cathi0815@webtv.net - 14 Feb 2005 00:05 GMT
Dear Kay
sorry to hear about blackie:(
I feed a gray mother cat and her baby cat   who is 8  months old and a
boy every morning at about 7 :30
I know how they endear themselves to our hearts!
Love Cathi
Kay - 14 Feb 2005 06:08 GMT
> Dear Kay
> sorry to hear about blackie:(
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes Blackies mother is gray also. And we are now trying to trap her now.
 I am glad you are there for those adorable little creatures!

Kay
Hi Im WEEniE with My    Fav4ite Midi - 14 Feb 2005 12:43 GMT
I read your post and the ones that responded & I can see that as long as
your neighbor is living there those cats are not safe. Infact it could
be possible that any cat in your neighborhood isn't safe. Some people
have cats that go outside and come back in when they're done. Has anyone
in your neighborhood have a cat missing.? Seems to me that this jerk
either hates cats or is just doing this to hurt peple like you.
Unfortuantly at least in the state of Massachusetts where I live. Cats
don't get licences like dogs do. Rabie tags yes but no license. I can't
remember if you say you have cats of your own but if you do? Get them
mircochipped. Where is your neighbor bringing them? Do you think they're
dropping them off some place or taking them to a pound.  I just
remembered something. I have a neighbor across from me. We talk but
we're not really friends. Now she has 2 dogs & a cat. Well  one dog is
hers & the cat & the other dog belongs to her parents. Now she told us
more then once that she has those humane traps set somewhere in her yard
& any cat stupid enough to get caught in one? she brings it down to the
S.P.C.A which is now called Angel of something. Think it's Angel of
Mercy. The bad thing about what your neighbor did. I can't say they'r
your friend because if they were your friend they would of warned you
Kay - 15 Feb 2005 05:02 GMT
Hi Im WEEniE with My Fav4ite Midi wrote:
> I read your post and the ones that responded & I can see that as long as
> your neighbor is living there those cats are not safe. Infact it could
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Mercy. The bad thing about what your neighbor did. I can't say they'r
> your friend because if they were your friend they would of warned you

I found out that the traps are hi son in laws and he is a hunter. So I
have no idea, I called everywhere. 2 years ago I had to talk them out of
shooting a possum.They set up new traps now.

2 years ago they asked me to stop feeding squirrels, I started to feed
them today. I figure I'm going to do what I can. I still leave out food
and there is still the cat house, I wonder if they eat enough in my yard
maybe they won't go in the trap?

kay
Iain Halder - 15 Feb 2005 12:20 GMT
>I found out that the traps are hi son in laws and he is a hunter. So I
>have no idea, I called everywhere. 2 years ago I had to talk them out of
>shooting a possum.They set up new traps now.

I'm not actually from your country but if I had a neighbor did
something like this to me, well he'd be in a hospital by now.

You say the son is a 'hunter' ... well some hunter hunting feral cats?
People can fantasise all they want but I'd imagine that when those
fantasies intrude into my own cat-rescue work then it's time to take
direct action. Especially if I'd be worrying he was using cats as bait
to make his hunting easier.

>2 years ago they asked me to stop feeding squirrels, I started to feed
>them today. I figure I'm going to do what I can. I still leave out food
>and there is still the cat house, I wonder if they eat enough in my yard
>maybe they won't go in the trap?

I feed squirrels here where I stay and, again, if some
personality-disordered family with hunting fantasies told me to stop
feeding them ... well, again any such attempt at restricting MY rights
would not get far.

I sound angry and when I read this thread I was ... no, am.

Extreme behaviour calls for an extreme response. You might consider
paying some dollars to some local hard guys to sort this guy out. You
are tearful and under stress and there is no way someone like you who
cares about nature and the feral cat community should allow any
psychopathic pseudo-hunter to intrude into your life or the lives of
these cats.

Here in the UK we are meeting with some success in getting the
'hunting with dogs' crowd sorted out. If the government had shown more
gumption it would have been sorted years ago but things are moving in
the right direction.

Iain.H

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Kay - 16 Feb 2005 07:26 GMT
>>I found out that the traps are hi son in laws and he is a hunter. So I
>>have no idea, I called everywhere. 2 years ago I had to talk them out of
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Your country is far more advanced in animal rights. I don't why, maybe a
larger percent of population cares about animals. I don't know. Does The
 UK have shelters that kill? Here if we adopt we have to sign a paper
promising not to tlet the cat outside. Is it different in the UK. I
thought I read somewhere that its quite the oppisite.

His trap is set up right now and he chained it to a pole so no one can
steal it. He is useing catnip for bait. So I have put out catnip and
plates of food to keep the cats from going over there.

There are a few people who feed near me and a few with shelters. I have
warned them all.

I hope to catch the last cat by tomorrow. There was an offer that if she
is pregnant there is a place she can go to have her litter and the
company agreed to let her stay. My husband works there and he has
promised me that he will feed her everyday and get the kittens when the
time is right. I was not sure if she was pregnant, but I saw her today
and I think she is.

If I can get her before him, she will have a place to live where it is
safe and be fixed. She will live on private property. And we have a vet
that will treat her and give her shots, so thats good news. As long as
he does not get her first.

We set up a camera that so we can see when she goes in the shelter and
have a door that is attached to a string that we can pull when she is in
the box. I have catnip and plates of food. She is older and smarter. So
I hope she does not go near the trap.

After the cat is safe, then well we will keep up the catnip and the
peanuts. I am thinking of a "screamer"? it sense when they get near his
yard to scare them away??

Kay
Hemmaholic - 16 Feb 2005 11:10 GMT
Kay,

You have said, yet, what kind of traps this nut case is setting.  Are
you sure thary are a "legal type"?  (Such as the Have-a-Heart, live
catch traps.)

What kind of a "huinter" uses live catch traps anyway?  He (the SIL)
sounds as nuts as the old man!

Since he has chained the trap to a post, sounds to me like he knows
he's doing something he shouldn't be doing.  Have you spoken to any of
the Animals Rights groups about this nut?  How about one of the animal
rescue organizations, like, say Alley Cats Allies or a local chapter of
that organization.

Animals do have rights here in the states, but we also have a severe
animal over population problem because some people let in tact animals
run free, or, worse yet, treat them like a disposable commodity.  They
sinply turn the animal out when they grow tired of them.  Pet
abandonment is a crime in most states.  Enforcing the laws is the hard
part.

Last fall we had a young man take his anger out on some horse owned by
his neighbor, slashing many and actually killing one.  Right before his
trial came up, his Lawyer plea bargined him down to a lesser charge
thus keeping him from going to a jury trial. A jury would have wanted
to hang him, literally!  I know I wanted to!

I am wondering if there is anything you can do to the neighbor,
legally, to make his life as rough as he has made yours.  Can one take
their neighbor to courst fro harassment and causing undo emotional
stress?  Got any lawyer friends who can advise you on the possibilities
of a civil case against this jerk?  That is now what the owner of the
horse has to do to get any justice and/or compensation for wrongful
death of their horse.

Rebecca
Kay - 16 Feb 2005 17:15 GMT
I identified the traps

http://www.livetrap.com

There is the link, its the single door traps. My advive that I was told,
was that I would have to relocate the coloney. Which is drastic, I would
have to have them kept in a cage for at least a month so they woul dnot
attempt to try and go "home" To have the fixed before then.

My husband woke me up at 3:00am, He caught Momma cat!!!!! He is taking
her to work and setting her up there. I called  him later this morning
and the other guys want to help her also. Bless their hearts! I am going
to call my sister in law to see if we can relocate the remaining
siblings, unless if they get accepted in the shelter? I don't know which
one is better for them? The siblings played with toys with me. they
might be able to be adopted.

Thank God some positive news!

Kay
Iain Halder - 16 Feb 2005 12:45 GMT
>>>I found out that the traps are hi son in laws and he is a hunter. So I
>>>have no idea, I called everywhere. 2 years ago I had to talk them out of
>>>shooting a possum.They set up new traps now.

I'm not actually from your country but if I had a neighbor did
something like this to me, well he'd be in a hospital by now.

>> You say the son is a 'hunter' ... well some hunter hunting feral cats?
>> People can fantasise all they want but I'd imagine that when those
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>>and there is still the cat house, I wonder if they eat enough in my yard
>>>maybe they won't go in the trap?

I feed squirrels here where I stay and, again, if some
personality-disordered family with hunting fantasies told me to stop
feeding them ... well, again any such attempt at restricting MY rights
would not get far.

I sound angry and when I read this thread I was ... no, am.

>> Extreme behaviour calls for an extreme response. You might consider
>> paying some dollars to some local hard guys to sort this guy out. You
>> are tearful and under stress and there is no way someone like you who
>> cares about nature and the feral cat community should allow any
>> psychopathic pseudo-hunter to intrude into your life or the lives of
>> these cats.

Here in the UK we are meeting with some success in getting the
'hunting with dogs' crowd sorted out. If the government had shown more
gumption it would have been sorted years ago but things are moving in
the right direction.

Iain.H

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>Your country is far more advanced in animal rights. I don't why, maybe a
>larger percent of population cares about animals. I don't know. Does The
>  UK have shelters that kill? Here if we adopt we have to sign a paper
>promising not to tlet the cat outside. Is it different in the UK. I
>thought I read somewhere that its quite the oppisite.

Yes, they say the British are animal lovers and I think, in the main,
it is true but there are still some tragic cases of animal cruelty
here.

The animal rescue I got my three from is a no-kill shelter but even
they find it hard to cope but do a very good job nonetheless. I wanted
to work with them as a volunteer but my job would make it difficult to
be consistent in such a role. I could foster but they need you to work
with them directly as a volunteer for awhile - which I can understand.

There are shelters which are kill and these are the ones the ones with
the highest public profiles in the UK.

>His trap is set up right now and he chained it to a pole so no one can
>steal it. He is useing catnip for bait. So I have put out catnip and
>plates of food to keep the cats from going over there.

Might be worth sneeking over late one night and spraying his trap area
HEAVILY and repeatedly with a cat repellant as well as all around the
outside boundary of their fence.

>There are a few people who feed near me and a few with shelters. I have
>warned them all.

Very wise!!!

>I hope to catch the last cat by tomorrow. There was an offer that if she
>is pregnant there is a place she can go to have her litter and the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>that will treat her and give her shots, so thats good news. As long as
>he does not get her first.

Your neighbour sounds to be an immature fool. However would it be
possible to speak to the mother again to say what you intend to do and
thereby protect this potential mother cat?

I imagine the neighbours did not like the idea of a cat-rescue opening
up next door to them but they have no right to go in the extreme
direction that they have. If you demonstrate a willingness to
compromise while at the same time actively (but discretely) sabotaging
their trapping efforts it may result in a more neighbourly resolution.

>We set up a camera that so we can see when she goes in the shelter and
>have a door that is attached to a string that we can pull when she is in
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>peanuts. I am thinking of a "screamer"? it sense when they get near his
>yard to scare them away??

Yes, that sounds good. How does a screamer work? Some kind of motion
detector? How would you get that to work?

Iain.H

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Kay - 16 Feb 2005 17:23 GMT
Ohh that is a good idea about the repellent!!!! A scream is a motion
detecter that goes off with an alarm. They do have a small dog though.
He would probably set it off. I have to clearify something, The owner is
a woman in her 60s, the man in question is her boyfriend. He lives in
the house. He does not even like the dog, but she is crazy about the
dog. I love the dog, when my dogs were alive they loved him to.

The woman thinks the cats upset the dog. Reality is that he barks at
everything. Leaves falling anything her barks at. I had to remove a
garden decoration because the dog kept barking at it.  He is 7 and has a
liver illiness, so I don't complain about the barking cause I love the
dog. when I talked to them, I said that your dogs health comes first and
if you have a problem with the cats and your dog I will move them
prompty. They said the dog will continue to bark anyway, and that its
not the cats fault. They promised to tell me if there was a problem.

Kay
Kay - 16 Feb 2005 17:38 GMT
> Ohh that is a good idea about the repellent!!!! A scream is a motion
> detecter that goes off with an alarm. They do have a small dog though.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Kay

My husband just called and the cat is not the Mother cat, the mother cat
has half a tail, so he is bringing the shelter back to try again today
and night:( they are still going to let this cat stay there also:)

Kay
Hemmaholic - 17 Feb 2005 13:05 GMT
Oops!  This one is stall a feral cat though, right, and not someones
free-roaming pet?  Best to check with other cat owning neighbors to
make sure you didn't accidentally get someone's pet.

Hemmaholic/Rebecca
Kay - 17 Feb 2005 20:48 GMT
> Oops!  This one is stall a feral cat though, right, and not someones
> free-roaming pet?  Best to check with other cat owning neighbors to
> make sure you didn't accidentally get someone's pet.
>
> Hemmaholic/Rebecca

Oh don't worry this on was a feral, Rich knows who he is. I call him
McCloud.

Kay
Cat Protector - 17 Feb 2005 04:48 GMT
It sounds to me like you have neighbors who care very little for others.
Maybe you can get the whole neighborhood to rally against them in regards to
the cat thing. I'd take feral cats over a barking dog any day.

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> Ohh that is a good idea about the repellent!!!! A scream is a motion
> detecter that goes off with an alarm. They do have a small dog though. He
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Kay
Cat Protector - 17 Feb 2005 02:06 GMT
You didn't state whether or not the neighbor came on your property to
capture the cats. I would be very concerned regardless because you have no
clue what your neighbor is doing to those cats. This neighbor really needs
an education here because if you take feral cats from their environment more
will come in to take over the territory which will not solve the issue at
all. Your neighbor would be fighting a losing battle. Of course this
neighbor sounds like a real stinker and I of course would alert your other
neighbors that if their cats are roaming outdoors this neighbor could be
trapping them and carting them off somewhere.

I would talk to a group that rescues feral cats and see if they would be
willing to talk to your neighbors or at least supply you with info you can
give to them. You can also talk to news media as well and see if they'd be
willing to do a story about this. If your neighbor is in the spotlight it
might embarrass them enough to either work with you or simply do nothing.
One's thing for sure they might not be seen to kindly by the general public
and also be scared off from trapping cats in the future.

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>I don't know what to do. I have a big problem and I don't know what to do.
>
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>
> Kay
Hemmaholic - 17 Feb 2005 12:53 GMT
"You can also talk to news media as well and see if they'd be
willing to do a story about this. If your neighbor is in the spotlight
it
might embarrass them enough to either work with you or simply do
nothing.
One's thing for sure they might not be seen to kindly by the general
public
and also be scared off from trapping cats in the future. "

I like this idea, I like it a lot!

Kay, is there a neighborhood weekly newspaper that services your area,
if so, this would be a better venue than the Tribune, where such an
article might not even be seen, let alone widely read.  By using a
neighborhood publication, you'll actually get better coverage of the
people you need to target with this type of information.  Then, if it
really draws attention to the overall problem of cat (and dog)
overpopulation and the plight of all feral animals, the Tribune might
well pick up the article and run it as a feature.

Rebecca
Kay - 17 Feb 2005 20:49 GMT
> "You can also talk to news media as well and see if they'd be
> willing to do a story about this. If your neighbor is in the spotlight
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>
> Rebecca

Sounds great. Maybe explaining the TNR program with poper links will
also help.

Kay

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