HOWEDY phil,
> A couple of months ago, I asked for assistance
> in finding a home for a six year old female
> Tonkinese cat that would periodically urinate in
> large quantities on the carpet, pillows, mattresses,
> etc., even with a clean cat box nearby and a clean
> bill of health.
Unless your kat was SICK the PROBLEM
is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. Seems you
wasn't INTERESTED in HOWE you could
REHABILITATE your kat's anxiHOWESNESS
behavior problems.
> The damage was becoming intolerable
That's GOOD, on accHOWENT of any behavior that's CONSISTENT
REPEATABLE and PREDICTABLE is
EZ to CURE NEARLY INSTANTLY, if you know HOWE.
> as was behavior that included one incident
> where the cat walked across the bed with
> my wife and I in it, and left a two foot long
> swath of urine across my legs.
We can DISS-CUSS HOWE you handled and
trained the kat that CAUSED this problem and
then you'll have the INFORMATION to tell the
breeder so they don't gotta MURDER IT FOR
YOU if you're unwilling to take her back after
you recognize your errors that caused this.
> We very nearly lost a brand new $1500 mattress.
You got LUCKY.
> The decision was made to find another home for the cat,
On accHOWENT of you don't have the intellect
to HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic kitty
kat even after The Amazing Puppy Wizard and
all HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Students all over the
Whole Wild World REPORT.
> and while some here sympathized with our plight,
That's comforting. But these SYMPATHIZERS
have THE SAME PROBLEM and got NO advice.
Other mental cases told you to MURDER your kat:
From: Sunflower (sunflwrNOSPAM@midsouth.rr.com)
Subject: Re: MUST give away Tonkinese!
This is not the description of a cat that is easily rehomed.
I can see why rescue hasn't gotten back to you. Most
likely given her history, she will be euthanized or cruelly
spend the rest of her life in a small cage if they even take
her.
If you have any affection for this animal, then take her in
to the vet yourself and have her euthanized. I understand
why she can't be a part of your family, but no other family
is going to want her either.
You owe it to her to make sure her last moments on
earth are with the family she knows and loves now.
I know it's hard for you to euthanize her, but it's
part of the bargain you made when you gave her
a home in the first place.
If you cannot provide her with a good life, at least
provide her with a good death.
------------------------------------
THAT'S INSANE. Your pal sunflHOWER MURDERED
a whole "shelter" full of DEAD CRITTERS over a case of
ringworm.
> others could only direct their energy toward
> trying to assail me for not continuing to house
> the cat, not sinking limitless funds into finding
> out what was causing the problem, and one
> person who felt I ought to just tolerate and live
> with the damage.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ:
"YOU GET The Critter YOU TRAINED."
A Dog Is A Dog As A Kat Is A Kat
As A Birdie Is A Birdie
As A Child Is A Child
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.
ALL Critters Only Respond In PREDICTABLE INNATE
NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
> The former group was most helpful of course,
That so? Did they tell you HOWE to TRAIN
your kat not to DO that noMOORE? No. They
told you to MURDER your kat:
From: Phil (p.mentz@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: MUST give away Tonkinese!
Date: 2004-06-30 10:24:21 PST
Well stated, however difficult it may be to accept.
We, as a family, and even the breeder, recognize
what may have to be done. As you stated, we also
have to try and determine if the problem is at all fixable.
If not, then passing it along to another person is
irresponsible. This is why I am telling people exactly
what they are getting. I know that makes it harder
to place the cat, but it is the right thing to do.
- Phil
But you decided it was EZ to give the kat
back to the breeder to MURDER FOR YOU
on accHOWENT of you're a COWARD.
> and one of the recommendations those
> people gave me was to talk to the breeder.
Your kat breeder can't heelp you.
> I did that, and the breeder has taken the cat.
Oh? He's gonna train and return IT completely cured?
> We were under the impression this was not
> possible, but because of what was said here,
> we talked to the breeder again, and found she
> would take the cat back.
Well, that's GETTIN RID of the kat, ain't it?
> The cat is now back in the home it
> was born and raised in.
On accHOWENT of you don't have the intellect to
HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic kitty kat.
> However, the breeder said that unless the problem
> can be cured, she will have to make tough decisions
> regarding this cat's future.
You mean, instead of openin the front
door and lettin her walk free? You think
MURDERING innocent mishandled and
abused critters is WIZE?
>I can completely understand that,
Yeah. Can you likeWIZE completely understand
that the kat is havin a behavior problem caused
by mishandling?
> given the hell the cat put us through.
Right. Let's blame the kat for makin your
life miserable. HOWE did you train your
kat to do things like not jump on C-HOWENTERS
or claw furniture or whatever?
> To those who truly tried to help me a couple
> of months ago,
You mean, the mental cases who got the same
problem and can't train their own kats no better
than you or your breeder done?
> thank you.
For WHAT? You GOT RID of the kat and the
BREEDER is fixin to MURDER IT FOR YOU.
Some of HOWER animal lovers sez you should
ought be DECENT enough to MURDER IT YOURSELF
with the heelp of a competent VETERINARIAN.
> You made the difference.
BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
YOUR KAT IS FIXIN TO GET DEAD.
> I could have taken easier ways to
> deal with the problem, but did not.
BWEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
YOU GOT RID OF THE KAT ON ACCHOWENT
OF YOU CAN'T TRAIN IT.
> Fact is, we had to hang on to the cat for weeks since
> the breeder was out of town, so waited until she got back.
> To those who tried to assail me on my actions with the cat,
> understand the rantings achieve absolutely nothing and may
> only serve to anger the cat owner enough to do the very kinds
> of thing you abhor.
PRECISELY.
THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard
SEZ: "DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE."
> I could have become angered enough
> to stop looking at this newsgroup,
That'd be a WIZE idea.
> possibly missing some good suggestions,
You mean like give the kat back to the breeder
to MURDER FOR YOU. That makes you INNOCENT.
> and taking other actions with the cat
> that no one would want.
You could REHABILIATE your kat's anxiHOWESNESS
NEARLY INSTANTLY if you CARED to learn HOWE.
> I continued to look at the newsgroup only because
> I recognized that most people were trying to help
They was tryin to heelp you GET RID of the kat and
SYMPATHIZE with you abHOWET MURDERIN IT.
> and was able to ignore the extremist responses,
You mean like NOT MURDERIN IT?
> mostly because they were so silly and clearly
> the rantings of a lunatic fringe.
You came here to GET PERMISSION to MURDER your kat.
You fHOWEND a BETTER solution. You gave IT back to the
breeder to MURDER for you.
> Again, to those that offered reasonable suggestions,
You mean, like GET RID of or MURDER your kat.
> thank you.
Did any of your kat lover pals recommend TRAINING?
> The cat is certainly in a better place thanks to you.
THE BREEDER IS FIXING TO MURDER IT FOR YOU.
> - Phil
> Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue writes: Sep 9,
> 2000
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>
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{) ; ~ ) >
> Hi Jerry,
>
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>
> Yours, Jerry.
> > Thanks Tricia9999, that was an interesting read! Course my
> > little gray box seems to be working... Buddy stopped biting
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>
> "misty" <Momisty@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21047-3CAD0E8A-173@storefull-2291.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> > Jerry sent me the DDR when I mentioned my cockatoo was
> > stressed out by my then just learning to walk baby.
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> used to wake me up between 8 and 8:30 a.m. The morning
> after I left it on all night, they slept until 9:30 a.m. At
first
> I
> wondered why they had slept in so late, and then I noticed
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> Regards,
> Lisa
Hi Jerry,
I wrote to you a week or so ago about the unit. I
have since borrowed one from Elaine Mc Clung. She
speaks very highly of it.
So, I brought it home and plugged it in. Of course, I
wanted it to come on, all the barking stop, and have
every one immediately fall to the floor in little
comas for a few hours. Well, after I got all 27 of
them to be quiet, still no comas. But, it had only
been 36 seconds at that point. So, I gave it a little
longer. Still no comas. Was this really going to
work? I mean, I do have an unusual situation.
So, by bedtime, a few hours later. I started to
notice just how many were asleep already - with their
feet in the air! I started to have hope. During the
night, all was calm. In the morning when I got up,
only a few of them WALKED quietly to the door to go
out. Not the usual evacuation.
I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until Tuesday
Morning. I was certainly pleased with the night
effect. I wasn't so sure about the amount of the day
time effect. Until I took it back. Within half an
hour, the monsters had resurfaced. I wondered if I
could break into Elaine's house and if she would
notice :)
I know another person who does dog rescue. She
rescues Beagles. She has 23 in an 1100 square foot
house. God bless her. She is interested to see if it
will work for her. I also spoke to someone else who
does cat rescue, and she is interested. The cat
rescue people have monthly meetings. Maybe Elaine
could give a word or two about it.
So, if there are any words of advice you can send my
way about the best way to use it in my case, I would
appreciate it. I of course wanted to keep it on the
highest setting, but don't know if that is advised,
even with my situation of so many new ones coming and
(too few) going.
Also, how I and others can go about getting one, etc.
I think the vets should have the info in their
offices. It must help dogs with separation anxiety.
My vet practices homeopathic as well as traditional
medicine, so I would think it would be right up her
alley.
Thank you.
Desiree M Webber
A New Leash On Life
=============
Hi Jerry,
I received email from Mark Shaw on 10/6 which I just
read today. Sorry I didn't have time to get to it
sooner. We have had a lot going on in our area
concerning animals. We formed a new Task Force to
address spay/neuter, pet overpopulation and animal
abuse. I needed to do a lot of research before the
first meeting and
time was just not available for anything else.
Anyway the letter went on to say that we are in
collusion, I tried to defraud him, and have sent none
of the materials that he has asked for although he has
yet to furnish the P.O. Box number that he wanted them
sent to in the first place. He goes on to state that I am
no
longer eligible for the "fictions reward."
All of this is in answer to postings that prove I was
"sharing" his email with you which in his opinion
was a breach of good manners. His email only had
terms and conditions of the reward which I would
consider "public information."
Be that as it may, I would like to state that you had
my permission to post any email I have sent you
regarding DDR including this email.
I'm very sorry that you have to put up with this type
of situation from someone that obviously never
intended to make good on his reward offer in the first
place.
I had a call from a friend of mine with a very
aggressive cat. I have loaned her my DDR for a few
weeks to see if it will calm JR down. I will let you
know the results. She goes to the same holistic
vet that I go to and he is also interested.
In case Mark does post to the list again I would like
to say that I do very much believe that DDR will help
JR as I know it has helped my dogs and cats. I have
entirely too much to do, to worry about his opinions
or reward.
The only reason I was willing to apply for the reward
was on your behalf as I do think your product is a
valuable tool in helping with aggression and other
behavior problems.
I am in Feral Cat Network (we spay and neuter
approximately 100 feral cats a month), I am also a
member of a local AKC dog obedience club, member of a
local AKC agility club, president of Pet Rescue, board
member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of
Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet.
rep., rep. from AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant
County manager, head of animal control, director of
two different shelters, etc.).
I listed these not to be on an ego trip but to let
Mark know that I am involved with animals and
have very little time to play games with him also
I would not recommend your product if I did not
believe in it.
Please feel free to post this email as it has no
copyright on it as did Mark Shaw's last email to me.
Take care Jerry and don't let the Mark's of the world
get you down.
Elaine
Thank you, Elaine. I have been trying to educate the
mark's of this world, with some occasional successes.
I guess that's variable reinforcement?
Yours, Jerry.
================
> "misty" <Momisty@webtv.net wrote in message
> news:
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> I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world
> now <g A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely
housetrained,
> doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard,
> and doesn't bark all the time.
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> "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
> level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that
> people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to
> just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you
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> Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei
> (do I get to listen to the box first?)
> The Puppy Wizard <ThePuppyWizard@EarthLink.Net> wrote:
>
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> The Amazing Puppy Wizard has DISCREDITED
> your SCIENCE as INEFFECTIVE BRUTALITY.
> since that is how I was trained.
Blame professor descartes, professor.
> While I have been very successful with this approach,
You're a liar, professor. You teach
people to hurt and murder dogs.
> I also have respect for other points of view
Cause you're a COWARD, professor.
> because I have known many very successful
> trainers who are not familiar with scientific theories.
Well professor, you've learned much from them.
> My goal for this site is to organize and give
> visitors easy access to the information
You're SELLIN stuff, professor FRAUD.
> available on the Internet about dog training and behavior.
You HURT dogs.
> The idea is to use technology
You mean DHOWEBLE TALK, professor.
> to provide a resource (or virtual library) that will
> be useful to pet owners, hobby trainers, professional
> trainers, scientists, veterinarians, police K9 handlers
> and other students of canine behavior.
YOU HURT DOGS, professor.
> In order to provide easy access to such a large
> amount of information, four interfaces are available.
<snip>
> Please note that I have included links to ANY
> page that provides substantive information
> about dog training and is not blatantly commercial
> (except for sections on books, videos & magazines
> & equipment providers, etc.).
BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!
You link to the most viciHOWES sites on the WWW.
> Thus, I do not agree with everything
> that you may read here.
But you're willin to TEACH IT cause you
got no effective methods.
> In fact, sometimes one article will contradict another.
SHAAAZZZAAAMMM???
> However, I am a firm believer in intellectual freedom.
You're an OBSTRUCTIONIST, professor DOG ABUSER.
> The American Library Association defines intellectual
> freedom as "the right of every individual to both seek
> and receive information from all points of view without
> restriction.
There's NO effective SCIENTIFIC way to HURT
and INTIMIDATE dogs HOWEtside of a 24 HOWER
a day CON-TROLLED laboratory, professor.
> It provides for free access to all expressions
> of ideas through which any and all sides of a
> question, cause or movement may be explored.
You mean you'll do and say ANYTHING to defend
your alleged RIGHT to HURT and MURDER dogs.
> Intellectual freedom encompasses the freedom
> to hold, receive and disseminate ideas".
Animal abuse is what you DISSEMINATE, professor.
> I have had dogs for most of my life and it is t
> o them that I dedicate this site. I obtained my
> first purebred, a black, male, German Shepherd
> named Lobo in 1989. I began training him in a
> variety of ways (cross training).
BWEEEEEAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!
> We received titles in obedience, agility, and
> Schutzhund (protection) training
BWEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
> and have given a few hundred presentations
> on the subjects of assistance dogs in particular
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> organizer of this material and the webmaster
> (or librarian) of this site.
Perhaps professor plonksky should read The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives on Google
and then get the heel HOWETA this business
before The doGgamened Puppy Wizard drops
the hammer on him for bein a dog abusing fraud.
> If you like the site, please consider making a
> donation to help support it.
CuriHOWES that the university doesn't pay
him enough so he don't need to beg money
from his readers. The Amazing Puppy Wizard
ain't never asked noWON for money to HEELP
them.
> Feel free to link to this site. Please note that
> the graphics used were designed to give it a
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>I sincerely hope you enjoy your visit here and
> find it to be educational, helpful, and fun!
"Speech is a mirror of the soul: as a man speaks,
so is he." Publilius Syrus, First century B.C., Maxim 1073
"We are what we do."
From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
>Paul B wrote:
>> While the concept of shake cans is not new,
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>> to Jerry (and Marilyn) and from my own experiences
>> is an important part of the process.
And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
--Marshall
=================
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
wrote in message news:9ihtee$7ib$1@uwm.edu...
From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST
Hello Marshall,
The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.
The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.
A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.
One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.
While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important
part of the process.
> Thanks Paul! He does recommend praising
> a dog for barking, but he appears to recognize
> that this may not work and so distraction
> is recommended as a back up procedure:
> There really is NOTHING new about the advice above!
Nuthin EXXXCEPT HOWE IT'S DONE.
From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-10 13:34:38 PST
In article <HRI27.3908$187.184000@news-rep.ab.videon.ca> "Jenn"
<dont@try.it> writes:
> Hi Lynn,
>
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> to warn me by my praise, and she stops.
> Jenn,
Could you be so kind as to post here the
section from Jerry's manual where he
writes that you should JUST praise the
dog when it barks?????????
As I recall, I thought he first advocates
distracting the dog from barking, with
keys or the soft sound of pennies in a
can, before praising.
Perhaps you can tutor me regarding
Jerry's system.
Thanks in advance!
--Marshall Dermer
PS: I don't read Jerry's posts but I look
forward to your post.
From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Clicker training "stay"
Date: 2001-06-21 20:25:38 PST
In article <iqtY6.5456$rA2.1119871@news-rep.ab.videon.ca> "Jenn"
<dont@try.it> writes:
> Hi, DogStar716, sorry you feel this way about
> me. I hope I can change your mind in the future,
> as I love reading your posts, and value (and
> have used) some of your advice.
BWWWWWEEEJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!!
> As for my post to Jer, I am just attempting
> to get a plain answer about something instead
> of a trash- fest. I just want to know if it can be
> done.
>
> Jenn Standring
I'm not Jerry but sure you could use a clicker to
distract a dog but that is not the purpose of a clicker.
You can also use a teaspoon to cut steak but that
is not the purpose of teaspoon!
--Marshall
"Dan Moore" <mooreteam@worldnet.att.net>
wrote in message
news:fS2Lc.114567$OB3.42357@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.
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> Tracy,
>
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>
> Juanita
>>> Until i read the Jerry method of Bark
>>> reduction, it went something like this
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>>> Best Regards,
>>> Estel J. Hines
==============
"If I Knew It Would Be That Easy, I Would Have
Done This A Long Time Ago Saving Myself 5 Years
Of Dealing With A Bouncy, Over Excited Dog!" Jenn.
Hello Jenn,
> Hello Jerry,
> I just wanted to let you know that I am
> trying this right now.
Good.
> I am the woman who wrote to you a while
> ago about trying to walk my dog without the
> pinch collar.
I recall.
> She also goes APE when I grab the leash.
> We have been doing this technique you
> recommend for about a half an hour now
> and the results are already fantastic, as
> well as amusing!
Yeah, dog training should always be more
fun than work.
> At first, we went out and I stood there,
> and Anya kept trying to head out to the
> sidewalk. When I didn't follow, she came
> and sat beside me at heel! (Thanks to
> your help!) She'd NEVER done that before.
It's the same principle as in the Hot And
Cold Exercise.
> I rewarded that with a few steps of a walk,
> but we came in after about 30 seconds. She
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> up the leash, and this last time, I HAD
> TO CALL HER TO ME!!!!!!!!!!
Fine. That's because dogs learn on the basis of
four repetitions. That's not to say they can't learn
some things faster, but for breaking habits, it
usually happens the fourth time we repeat a lesson.
Then we need to repeat the lesson at three more
locations our time in each to generalize the idea.
Let's say your dog gets excited when you take her
lead and go to the front door. She would probably
do the same at the back door, but to not such a degree.
Likewise for any other door.
It would behoove you to repeat the exercise with
several other doors and it would be easiest to
start with a door that had less excitement involved
with it.
> If I knew it would be that easy, I would have
> done this a long time ago saving myself 5
> years of dealing with a bouncy, over excited dog!
The non force methods work fast and easy
because we are not challenging the dog or
calling our attention to their behavior problems.
> I have to tell you how the walk is going though.
> I have a lot of problems there, but it is all ME.
> I have been so conditioned to "correct" her,
> that I still find myself yanking on her collar.
Yes, those habits are hard to break. It's easier for
me to train a person who has no experience at all
because they have no bad habits of pulling and
forcing control.
> I feel so awful! We have only been working
> in the yard without distractions, because I
> honestly don't know what will happen if she
> sees another dog and I won't have the pinch
> collar to keep her from dragging me over for
> a fight.
You know that working the dog in the back
yard is not preferable, because that causes
them some anxiety because it's their free area.
But with your dog and with the difficulty he is
to handle, I don't see any reason you shouldn't
do the Family Leadership Exercise and the come
command several times out there, and then you'll
have the control to do it in a more neutral area.
> The upside is, when I take the leash off it's
> hook and don't take the pinch collar, her
> excitement to go for a walk is NO LONGER
> combined with the intense fear I used to see
> in her eyes at the sight of the pinch!
Our group likes to think that is EXCITEMENT and
eagerness to work. It is sheer terror. The pinch
collar works by overriding the opposition reflex
through fear and that cause tremendous stress
and anxiety that must be released through anxiety
relief mechanisms like barking, digging, whining,
chewing, self mutilation and aggression.
> That does it for me. I can't believe I instilled
> fear in my beautiful dog just for the sake that
> I didn't know how to train. Well, I still don't
> know how, but I'm learning!
That's where I was three dozen years ago. I was
ready to just quit. I wasn't going to sour any more
dogs to make them work.
> Thanks for your help. Please send more
> suggestions if you saw something I could
> be doing differently!
>
> Jenn & Anya
I was thinking about your difficulties with
your dog. Just getting the Hot And Cold
Exercise and the Family Leadership Exercise
and the come command installed will solve
most of your difficulty with him.
I presume you've got msn messenger. We
can speak over that if you are set up for it,
and I can demonstrate the timing and tone
and tempo for using sound distractions
and praise, or we could speak on the phone.
The most important thing to remember is to
pick up and handle the lead in a relaxed manner,
no white knuckles, keep your elbow relaxed and
your arm down at your side with the length of the
lead breaking just below the knee.
Let me know if you need further help.
Jerry.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff & Di"
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: help, with the At Wits End training manual
HOWEDY Diana,
> Hi Jerry,
>
> Thanks very much for the prompt reply.
> I'm just writing to let you know that I've
> had some wonderful progress with Molly.
Of curse!
> I took her up to the school in the car when
> I was picking up my daughter. My husband
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> of course he was yelling at Molly to shut up
> and sit down.
That'll increase anxiHOWESNESS.
> As you can imagine this didn't help.
>
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> ok" then I asked her to find her ball which was
> in the back.
I wouldn't recommend offering a physical
distraction for two reasons. 1) she's likely
to become dependent on putting something
in her MHOWETH when she's stressed and
2) it may disavail you of successive training
opportunities necessary to extinguish the behavior.
> She loves her ball so was keen to do that and
> didn't notice what was by now a big crowd of
> parents and kids passing the car.
See, we really do want her to notice, so
we can briefly and variably distract and
praise to extinguish the behavior.
> I kept up with the "good girl" and "where's
> your ball" soon she was sitting watching
> the people walk past and offering them
> her ball to throw, not that they noticed her.
Well, it worked well for you this time. Don't
use the ball again the next time, just follow
the praise techniques.
> But it was lovely to see her so relaxed.
INDEEDY. That's the bottom line for successful
nearly instant training. That's why bribing and
withholding bribes fails, cause anxiety increases
as we withhold the reward to elicit the behavior.
> Just to add, I was sitting in the front and she
> was in the back of the wagon, so this was all
> verbal praise and distraction with no touching
> or patting.
Right. Physical contact distracts the dog from
thinking and processing the information.
> Jerry it is so hard not to yell at the dog when
> you are frustrated and want it to behave immediately,
Yeah. It only takes a few minutes to appupriately
extinguish any behavior, but you've got to know HOWE.
> but as you have said it really gets you
> nowhere in the long run.
"Reinforcement NEVER ends."
That's HOWE COME when we train dogs using
non physical methods the behavior is not dependent
on HOWER ability to reinforce manage supervise
bribe and avoid... IOW, we've HOWEtwitted the
cunning of the domestic puppy dog by tempting
the dog to do the undesirable behavior and distracting
and praising before the thought is fulfilled till
it's no longer thought of as a useful behavior.
> I would never of had these great results
> with Molly without your help, as we really
> were stuck in the "yelling at the dog" rut.
Just wait till you apply my methods to your kids.
My methods have rehabilitated severe hyperactive
kids as fast and permanent as the dogs I've heelped.
> I have to work on getting my husband to read
> your manual now, by the way an At Wits End
> Husband Training Manual would be helpful too,
> haha.
Not a chance in heel. If Mrs. Puppy Wizard
discovered it I'd be wearin an apron and workin
insetead of settin right here, stark ravin nekkid,
wearin nuthin but these gawd awful paper slippers.
> Thankyou so much for providing this info for free.
My pleasure. Consider it my vindictive nature...
> I was looking at dog training books in the shops
> today and they are so expensive !! (around $30
> to $40 in Australia) Not that I need them now, but
> I like to browse the dog and pet sections from
> time to time.
Makes The Amazing Puppy Wizard grind HIS teeth...
> You might like think about publishing a book
> one day, I think it would be received very well
> by the general public and reach those without
> internet access.
I probably should do sumpthin. The dog lovers
on the news groups ain't interested in training
their dogs, they seem to enjoy discussing behavior
problems and the training tools they used to cause
them.
> I was going to copy my last letter onto the news
> groups but see that you have already done so.
Yeah, but a lot of folks don't like to read my posts
cause HOWER dog lovers like to tell foks they're
forgeries.
> Feel free to quote this letter too if it helps.
Thank you, but I really wish you'll repost them
cause it'll be more believable coming from you.
These folks think it should take weeks and
months to rehabiliatate behavior problems.
They think they're successful if they've
rehabilitated an aggresson problem after a
year or longer working at it.
> It's unfortunate that the newsgroups are cluttered
> with rubbish, as It would be nice to discuss dogs
>from time to time with other dog lovers.
That ain't gonna happen cause decent folks
don't post there. Every WON is interested
in saving dogs lives by hurting them as a last
resort when forcing avoiding and bribing didn't work.
> cheers,
LikeWIZE.
> Dianna
Yours, Jerry.
HOWEDY Brandy,
> KraftyKurtzs@wmconnect.com (Brandy Kurtz) wrote in message
news:<2f66e35d.0407262049.7b3a7b51@posting.google.com>...
> Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy
> Wizard info, so I haven't actually started
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> behavior since a pup. Just wanted to update,
> and Pokey and I are hitting the sack...;)
Well THAT IS encouraging, AIN'T IT.
> Brandy
It's customary here abHOWETS to put
NINNYBOY [NINNYBOY] Jerry JERRY
[JERRY] The Puppy Wizard The Amazing
Puppy Wizard in the subject header to
AVOID EMBARRASSMENT.
Subject: Re: Lab/Rot 11 Months (TEMPER PROBLEMS)
Date: 2004-05-21 19:22:05 PST
> "Zack Pellers" <ZackPellers@GUESSWHERE.cc>
> wrote in message
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> -Jack
> >Jerry believes he's a dog trainer.
>
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> Ron Flanagan
> Orlando, Florida
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Original Message -----
From: Lindalee
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression -
Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!
Sunshine is still acting like a new dog!
Saw a dog today and "good boy-" worked
along with calling him-came the first time
every time. Not even a sound out of him.
Think it is hard for him but he never even
seemed to think about going off-reacting.
The word come has no affect on him just
the phrase- -Sunshine come goodboy.
----- Original Message -----
From: <>
To: "Jerry Howe" <jhowe2@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Damned Family Leadership Exercise -
Re: Am I expecting to much
Hi Jerry,
When I talked to you on the phone to order
to machine for daughter's new pup, I told
you that I had an older Chessie. I rescued
him at 9 years old and have had him for 3 years.
It's funny, but I thought I'd try some of your book
training with him. Where I used to say "come"
and then say "good boy" when he obeyed, I have
reversed it with a "good boy" first.
It really does work.
He was very confused at first, wondering
what he had done to get the praise.
But it really gets the attention and distracts
him from whatever he may have going through
his brain when he hears it.
Dogs are funny, but people are too. Can't
wait to get the Doggy do Right, etc.
Thanks,
N
=========
"Greg M. Silverman" <gmsNOSPAM@no.umn.edu> wrote in message
Hey, Mr. Wizard, or Alchemist or whatever
your alias of the day is, have to say that
our dog heels much better than she did.
This is after reading and implementing the
bit in your "Wits End" treatise.
And she's a royal nutter (but then again,
aren't they all?).
Cheers! Greg--
--------------------
Hi, Jerry.
I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that
I agree with (or even understand) 100% of
what you say in this manual ... BUT ... we had
"come" down pat in a few reps and you could
have knocked me down when I tried the exercise with "drop" and,
after
a few reps in different
spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber
ball at my feet on command.
He's still not perfect (just a pup, after all, and
he's stubborn enough to want to push and test
me a little bit more).
For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt
you have) how your usenet manner is likely
to rankle a few folks, but that woman who
advocates ear pulling and beating with sticks
deserves everything she gets.
Even if that was the only method that would
work, I'd live with my dog not fetching rather
than do any of that. (Darwin fetches
enthusiastically and instinctively, tho').
Best, ben
===================
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
Hello.
I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
I never trained or owned a dog before this
year.
I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.
Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.
I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.
I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.
A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.
We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he is very eager to accept our love.
So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.
His method worked for us.
I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.
Florence
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From: AIMEE (countrygirl0334@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST
I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.
I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".
Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).
The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point at the
mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".
That made him afraid to relieve himself in the house
or infront of me.
After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.
When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".
This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...
Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking. That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.
Thank you, Jerry, for all you help. You've been a
blessing to all of us.
AIMEE
===================
From: AIMEE (countrygirl0334@yahoo.com):
I own a black an tan coonhound. We got him
as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling
(pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and
the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.
I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't
crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for
walks because he feared EVERYTHING.
I was going to have to get rid of him if things
didn't turn around.
My husband and I searched the internet for
answers - AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.
For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK!
I've followed his manual, and we now have a
dog that can be left home alone, that heels
on command, that can go outside and NOT
be afraid of everything he sees.
Not only have his methods helped our dog, but
our marriage has gotten better. We had fallen
into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we
never laughed or had FUN together - but now,
with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY
WIZARDS dog training, our communications
channels have opened, and we now work
together instead of against one another.
For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID
NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY,
OR HEEL.
We simply eliminated the nagging and the
acting out to get NEGATIVE attention from
one another since we weren't getting
the POSITIVE attention we wanted.
So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS
METHODS WORK.
It's up to you to accept them. Yes, there's alot
of blame that we have to accept, but once we
realize that we've caused these problems to
arise, we can strive to make things better.
AIMEE
=================
Mrs. Altman is the wife of a practicing psychiatrist
who has studied with The Puppy Wizard and endorses
HIS methods:
Subj: Fear of Thunder
Date: 6/29/02 6:07:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Jraltman
To: Witsenddog
Dear Jerry,
I hope you'll be able to post this message so more
people who are at their wit's end will be able to help
their dogs.
To review:
Our puppy was uncomfortable during thunder storms.
At the beginning of the problem, she paced restlessly
from room to room. She couldn't settle and sleep.
From there the problem grew. She would run to the far
southeast corner of the house (which makes sense
because most storms here come from the northwest)
and she'd cower in the corner of the couch and shake.
!st attempt to help her:
I'd pick her up, brush and massage her (call me a nut -
I've sung to her when I've done her daily brushing since
she was tiny so of course I sang too) and when she
relaxed, I'd put her in her crate. She then slept and I
thought the problem was solved.
Traumatic event:
We were out in the park playing with one of her doggy
friends when it began to rain. On the way home, there
was the loudest, longest, thunder clap I've ever heard.
From that day on, the problem got worse and worse.
I couldn't calm her with singing and massage. The fear
spread. She wouldn't go out if it was raining. No thunder,
just gently summer rain, and she wouldn't go out.
The solution:
I surfed the net and came across a free manual Wit's
End Dog Training Method and a product called Doggy
Do Right that seemed better than anything else I came
across.
A phone call to Jerry Howe, author of the manual and
Director of Research, Biosound Scientific, convince me
to try both the manual and the product.
Problem solved:
I followed Jerry's suggestions (more phone calls - he is
most generous with his time and advice). The first two
thunder storms my puppy was restless but not running
around in a blind panic.
The third storm, she barked her deep, stranger danger
bark after each clap of thunder. The fourth storm, she
seemed uneasy at first. Soon she was asleep at my
feet and she napped through the rest of the storm.
A miracle. I am endlessly grateful to Jerry
for his manual and his machine.
A word about Doggy Do Right. It is odd to buy a
machine that emits a sound I cannot hear. I took
the chance because Jerry offered a full refund
including shipping.
Though I heard nothing, my puppy clearly did. When
I first turned on the machine, she got the cutest, most
quizzical look on her face. She looked at me as if to
say: "What's that? I never heard that before."
She looks at the machine when it is on. She rests on the floor
beneath it. It is obvious from her behavior that she is aware
of its cycles.
Amazing.
Thank you Jerry.
=============
Anthony Testa was a US Army Patrol Dog handler in Nam:
> I moved to Jacksonville, Florida about a year
> ago with my lovely wife linda. 3 times a week
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> Anthony & Linda Testa
> Jacksonville, Florida
=====================
> mshaw@bangnetcom.com (Mark Shaw) wrote in message
news:<lmWo8AeR1HVP092yn@panix.com>...
> > In article <c603fe9c.0203260607.77c283ce@posting.google.com>,
> > testa52601@aol.com (Anthony Testa) wrote:
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>
> A. Testa
=====================
My student Anthony summed it all up:
> Well there you go, I was willing to believe but then jerry
> it was another hallucination of yours, just like all those
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> > P.S. Write me personally if you have any credentials.......
> > Anthony Testa
======================
From: "Regina Guerrero" <>
To: <jhowe2@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:42 AM
Subject: Thank You!
> I just wanted to take a bit of time
> to tell you how much I appreciate your product and
> your training methods as well.
> When my little Chihuahua first arrived
> I was overwhelmed with her anxiety and
> her ability to just Bark endlessly.
> I received your product and at first I thought
> I was using it wrong, because my puppy just seemed to
> ignore it.
> But after a week or two, she began to calm down
> considerably as well as act more friendly towards
> people on the street.
> I can't believe the difference I see in my little
> puppy. Your product is a life saver!
> Thanks again for everything.
> Sincerely,
> Regina Guerrero
==================
> I haven't quite finished reading the free chapter on
> your website,
It's moore than a chapter, it's a comprehensive,
total, complete, gestalt method to train all animals
to any level you desire.
> but it already worked miracles with our three dogs.
Excellent.
> The barking at the door has diminished so much
> that, well, frankly, we're stunned.
My methods work faster than any others, anywhere at
any price, including the thirty five level of medical grade
static like stimulation devices and pronged spiked pinch
choke collars our "experts" here love so much.
> We were sort of on the same page with you to begin
> with (no crates, no choke chains).
Good. Crates aren't inherently bad, only the way they're
misused.
> A lot of what you say reminds of my dad's techniques
> (he's an 84 year old dog lover,one of those about whom
> people say, "dogs really like him." He's
> never had a badly behaved dog.
Good. I've got a lot in common with folks who are gentle
and treat animals kindly.
> We'd never heard of the noise emphasis,
You mean the sound distraction and praise techniques.
> but the overall plan makes great sense.
Yes, one of my students Paul B wrote an excellent post
recently I'll include it at the bottom. It'll explain HOWE the
distraction and praise process works from his POV as an
experience handler using my methods.
> I did have a question. The hardest part for us to
> implement is the verbal praise only.
Why? That should be spontaneous and in association
with every glance towards you and every thought.
> It's so hard not to pet and stroke the dog (especially
> our seven month old).
Oh. Patting is O.K., only not in conjunction with a
thought or command, as it will interrupt the thought
process and may lock the dog's thoughts on an
inappropriate idea.
> Can you give me the rationale behind that?
It's called positive thigmotaxis, the opposition reflex.
Like if we're walking our dog and want to prevent him
from interacting with another dog, and we pull back
on the collar, that often triggers the dog to go out of
control.
As long as there's contact on the collar, the dog will
continue his original thoughts about interacting with
the passerby. Then because the dog is out of control,
the handler needs to further force restraint, making
communication with the dog's MIND, impossible.
> It will help me modify my own behavior.
Any time your dog is close enough to be patted is
fine to pat him, as long as we're not working with a
command or thought we want him to process.
> Anyway, your approach is amazing.
Yes, it's caused quite a stir here. If my methods are as
effective and fast and safe as I claim and my students
confirm, that pretty much means that all of my critics
are DEAD WRONG, and all's that's left for me to
do is shovel some dirt over them over and let 'em push
up daisies.
> Melisande
==========================
"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis***@chello.nl>
wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@amstwist00...
RTFM is age-old computer lingo....
It stands for "Read The F***ing Manual" ;-)
I used the manual and it works very good!
But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed
on A4-size paper) My lab is 1year old now,
and teaching him something new takes about
30minutes (depending on what to teach offcourse)
My other dog (a 7year old staffordshire terrier-mix)
is a bit slower in learning, but he is used to me
calling him a "bad dog"whenever he did something
i didn't want him to do, or it might be the age.
Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS
to learn something new: he wants me to bring
along the can filled with washers whenever we
go for a walk.
It is a very "humane" way of teaching: the
dog is allways a "good dog", and never a
"bad dog"
There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved.
For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without
beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog,
he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to
"ask permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!
My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky
for them), maybe this helped too.
Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html
-- Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/
> Jerry, I am forever in your debt. The system you have
> created for training dogs is absolutely amazing!
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>
> Thank you for your service to humanity!
Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI, marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation," dermer:
"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~ } >
P.S. Contacting Dr. P:
Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.
In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length.
That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.
Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.
If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavioral Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.
P.P.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!
YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!
Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS.
> Mini Adolph Hitler (aka megalomanic) wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Go and practice your wild facism somewhere else.
---------------------------------------------------------------
"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.
What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George
"(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-
tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),"
--Marshall
The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME is the perfect
synergy of love, pride, desire, self will, greed,
ego, fear, hate, arrogance, disbelief, jealousy,
embarrassment, embellishment, shame, guilt,
anger, aversion, attraction, revulsion, change,
permanence, enlightenment, insult, attrition,
and conditioning.
It's the perfect fusion of The Word...,
in the physical.
It's time for the dog training industry and
the universities who TEACH "behaiviorists"
to DEFEND THEIR METHODS against 100%
NEAR INSTANT TOTAL SUCCESS as PROVEN
by the cHOWENTLESS NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Student's REPORTS,
after they've TRIED ALL OTHER METHODS
and FAILED.
"The greatness of a nation and its moral
progress can be judged by the way its
animals are treated." ~ Mohandas Gandhi --
Adapted with permission from his FREE
copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual. <}TPW ; ~ ) >
Force training JERRYIZES dogs
and GETS THEM DEAD.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marshall Dermer"
> <dermer@csd.uwm.edu>
> To: "The Puppy Wizard"
> <ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
>
> Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
>
> Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
>
> I have, of late, come to recognize your
> genius and now must applaud your attempts
> to save animals from painful training
> procedures.
>
> You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional
> talent, who tirelessly devotes his days to
> crafting posts to alert the world to animal
> abuse.
>
> We are lucky to have you, and more people
> should come to their senses and support
> your valuable work.
>
> Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
> charity to fund your important work?
>
> Have you thought about holding a press
> conference so others can learn of your
> highly worthwhile and significant work?
>
> In closing, my only suggestion is that you
> try to keep your messages short for most
> readers may refuse to read a long message
> even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy
> Wizard.
>
> I wish you well in your endeavors.
>
> --Marshall Dermer
> Marshall Dermer/Associate Professor/
> Behavior Analysis Specialty/Department
> of Psychology/University of Wisconsin-
> Milwaukee/Milwaukee,WI 53201
> dermer@uwm.edu
> http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
> --------------------------------------
"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.
All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer
"If you've got them by the balls their hearts
and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ )
PayBack - 20 Sep 2004 01:02 GMT
Go here: http://users4.ev1.net/~n_lyles/
~shady angel~ - 20 Sep 2004 09:32 GMT
> Go here: http://users4.ev1.net/~n_lyles/
Done, Is it costing him or just inconveniencing him?

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PayBack - 20 Sep 2004 09:45 GMT
>> Go here: http://users4.ev1.net/~n_lyles/
>
>Done, Is it costing him or just inconveniencing him?
BOTH.... ;-)
~shady angel~ - 21 Sep 2004 01:59 GMT
>>> Go here: http://users4.ev1.net/~n_lyles/
>>
>> Done, Is it costing him or just inconveniencing him? BOTH.... ;-)
Is this possible because he has a static IP and can it be done to anyone?

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PayBack - 21 Sep 2004 11:13 GMT
>>>> Go here: http://users4.ev1.net/~n_lyles/
>>>
>>> Done, Is it costing him or just inconveniencing him? BOTH.... ;-)
>
>Is this possible because he has a static IP and can it be done to anyone?
His IP address has nothing to do with his website. His website is
hosted by Earthstink and he is only allowed 'X' amount of traffic per
month after which they 'sock it to him' for big $$
Yes it can be done to anyone that has a website.
~shady angel~ - 22 Sep 2004 06:26 GMT
>>>>> Go here: http://users4.ev1.net/~n_lyles/
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> Yes it can be done to anyone that has a website.
Ok thanks for the info.

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Paul Foster - 20 Sep 2004 11:41 GMT
Hope it's costing him, I'm taking about 14GIG a day! Have been for the past
month. I hope everyone else joins in the fun.
Oh, and Jerry, I look forward to your usual idiotic reply to this message,
but I won't see it. Good old killfiles eh!
John - 22 Sep 2004 08:47 GMT
> Go here: http://users4.ev1.net/~n_lyles/
If his site goes down, I'm planning on re-opening it on a new server,
logging all IP addresses used for the attack and providing them to
respective ISPs.
I'm not interested in your dispute with 'The Puppy Wizard', but I don't
approve of you lot attacking his site.
John
PayBack - 22 Sep 2004 10:53 GMT
>> Go here: http://users4.ev1.net/~n_lyles/
>
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>John
I don't remember asking your opinion, although opinions are like
a.sholes...... Everybody has one.
Sorry charlie, the ONLY IP you could log is my sites address and I
have plenty to spare, so knock yourself out!!
John - 22 Sep 2004 11:42 GMT
>>>Go here: http://users4.ev1.net/~n_lyles/
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> Sorry charlie, the ONLY IP you could log is my sites address and I
> have plenty to spare, so knock yourself out!!
LOL. OK then. I hope that N Lyles isn't your actual name, and that you
didn't provide your real name when you signed up.
Did you know that everytime you (or anyone else who clicks the link)
requests info from the puppy wizard's site, that (in general) you
provide the IP address of the machine where the web page is displayed
(not your site)? Did you also know that it is trivial to record these IP
addresses in a database to detect for repeatedly accessing the same image?
Please just stop encouraging juvenile behaviour and take the page down.
(By all means replace it with one that says how much you dislike the PW).
John
PayBack - 22 Sep 2004 13:50 GMT
>>>>Go here: http://users4.ev1.net/~n_lyles/
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>John
I think you misunderstand my intentions...... I do NOT dislike the
piss wizard (aka Jerry Howe) He has some great training methods BUT,
his rants, ravings and cross posting have gotten out of hand and his
ISP (earthstink) will not enforce their AUP. Long story short, I will
be the thorn in his side until hell freezes over or he changes his
posting methods.
By the by.... How does this concern you??
John - 22 Sep 2004 14:06 GMT
>>>>>Go here: http://users4.ev1.net/~n_lyles/
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> By the by.... How does this concern you??
I don't like the idea of people attacking web sites. It's bad for The
Internet since it just wastes bandwidth and slows everyone down. Plus,
if you let people off with it, then it could be your web site next time.
I can see that Jerry posts irresponsibly, and would agree with you in
criticism of "earthstink" for failure to enforce their AUP (I take it
you have reported him etc.). I am happy to back you up in criticising
Jerry and his ISP for this, but attacking his site is a separate issue.
If you take the page down I will email Jerry and ask him to post more
responsibly. I won't log anyone's IP addresses or report anyone to their
ISP unless these attacks carry on.
John
PayBack - 22 Sep 2004 14:23 GMT
>>>>>>Go here: http://users4.ev1.net/~n_lyles/
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>John
Log away.... If you think you can.
Contact Jerry? LOL LOL LOL
I've sent Jerry and earthstink over 4000 emails, GOOD LUCK!!
John - 22 Sep 2004 14:37 GMT
>>>>>>>Go here: http://users4.ev1.net/~n_lyles/
>>>>>>
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> Log away.... If you think you can.
OK.
> Contact Jerry? LOL LOL LOL
I mailed him yesterday and had a response this morning.
> I've sent Jerry and earthstink over 4000 emails, GOOD LUCK!!
PayBack - 22 Sep 2004 15:31 GMT
>>>>>>>>Go here: http://users4.ev1.net/~n_lyles/
>>>>>>>
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>I mailed him yesterday and had a response this morning.
>> I've sent Jerry and earthstink over 4000 emails, GOOD LUCK!!
Care to post the response?
John - 22 Sep 2004 15:48 GMT
>>>>>>>>>Go here: http://users4.ev1.net/~n_lyles/
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> Care to post the response?
I'll give you a hint. It was only 13 lines long, had no reference to
animals of any sort, was very polite and started with "HOWEDY".
PayBack - 22 Sep 2004 17:11 GMT
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>> Care to post the response?
>I'll give you a hint. It was only 13 lines long, had no reference to
>animals of any sort, was very polite and started with "HOWEDY".
Hey John,
After I saw this;
"PW,
Could you please post a list of the "Mild APCs" (Mentally Ill Lying
Dog
Abusing Punk Cowards) and a sample of the weekly warnings?
Would you consider allowing them to post if they made sure that they
inserted [Mild APC] in the subject line of their posts?
John"
I have NOT stopped laughing.
Go away and pretend you know something in another usenet group.
John - 22 Sep 2004 18:03 GMT
> <snip>
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> I have NOT stopped laughing.
I'm glad it brightened up someone's day after all these months.
> Go away and pretend you know something in another usenet group.
I thought you appreciated comedy.
John
~shady angel~ - 23 Sep 2004 06:21 GMT
>>>>>>>> Go here: http://users4.ev1.net/~n_lyles/
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> I mailed him yesterday and had a response this morning.
>> I've sent Jerry and earthstink over 4000 emails, GOOD LUCK!!
I have only ever had threatening or abusive e-mails from piss wizard.

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The Puppy Wizard - 23 Sep 2004 14:49 GMT
CITES PLEASE.
> >>>>>>>> Go here: http://users4.ev1.net/~n_lyles/
> >>>>>>>
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> ~shady angel~
Zermut - 23 Sep 2004 17:35 GMT
>CITES PLEASE.
Shut your face, you imbecile.
PayBack - 23 Sep 2004 18:15 GMT
PW,
Why do you make an a.s out of yourself??
I use to think you had some sense and good intentions.
I quit 'hitting' your website due to other folks requests, but I won't
let up on you until you change your ways and start posting in a
respectful manner.
>CITES PLEASE.
>
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>> ~shady angel~
~shady angel~ - 24 Sep 2004 03:43 GMT
I have him killfiled so he can talk all the sh.t he like about or to me I
can't see the f.cker but if he continues to bug me I will report his a.s
till something is done there are other ways!

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> PW,
> Why do you make an a.s out of yourself??
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>> CITES PLEASE.
You want me to post those e-mails, cause I will if need be. I have nothing
to hide, being vulgar to a shitstain like you is granted!

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>>>>>>>>>>> Go here: http://users4.ev1.net/~n_lyles/
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>>> ~shady angel~
The Puppy Wizard - 24 Sep 2004 04:34 GMT
Thank you. You're a very nice person.
> I have him killfiled so he can talk all the sh.t he like about or to me I
> can't see the f.cker but if he continues to bug me I will report his a.s
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> >>> wizard. --
> >>> ~shady angel~
~shady angel~ - 23 Sep 2004 06:16 GMT
>> Go here: http://users4.ev1.net/~n_lyles/
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> John
As I have thought about this allot,I was going to and I went to the site but
I don't approve so I can't / won't do it even though I hate piss whizzed
more then all most any other
mutherfukentroll on Usenet.
Sorry, hate for someone to do it to me!

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Carey Gregory - 23 Sep 2004 07:30 GMT
>> I'm not interested in your dispute with 'The Puppy Wizard', but I
>> don't approve of you lot attacking his site.
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>As I have thought about this allot,I was going to and I went to the site but
>I don't approve so I can't / won't do it even though I hate piss whizzed
Wise choice. Network abuse is not the solution. I understand the
motivation, but I agree with John that attacking his web site is wrong.
Spending significant time on a web site you know is designed to attack
another web site makes you party to the attack. I wouldn't want to explain
to my ISP why I willingly and knowingly participated in a DDoS (distributed
denial of service) attack. And I sure as hell wouldn't want to explain it
to the FBI.
Don't be so sure you can't lose your ISP account for that. You can. And
although it's unlikely charges would actually result against those who
merely visit the site, the site itself is probably a criminal action in the
US and most other western countries. Spending time there isn't something I
would recommend.
The Puppy Wizard - 23 Sep 2004 14:16 GMT
Well, that's the first intelligent thing you've
ever said here abHOWETS, you dog abusing
coward.
> >> I'm not interested in your dispute with 'The Puppy Wizard', but I
> >> don't approve of you lot attacking his site.
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> US and most other western countries. Spending time there isn't something I
> would recommend.
Zermut - 23 Sep 2004 17:35 GMT
>Well, that's the first intelligent thing you've
>ever said here abHOWETS, you dog abusing
>coward.
f.ck off.....
>............./´¯/)
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Wendy - 27 Sep 2004 12:28 GMT
Have you guys ever heard of block sender?
X - 27 Sep 2004 16:57 GMT
>Have you guys ever heard of block sender?
It doesn't work. Piss Wizard morphs all the time to avoid killfiles
and even when people complain about him, he starts abusing the posters
by writing abusive messages and sending them hate mail to their email
boxes.
Even when people complain to Earthstink (Earthlink), they don't do
nohting about this abusive rude troll. Earthstink needs to be given a
taste of their own medicine by having a UDP (Usenet Death Penalty) put
in place against them and also be blocked by SPEWS. It will wake them
up and take notice.