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Cat Forum / Rescue / October 2003Abducted strays?
Hi. I sometimes lurk here - but now I need to know what other think of this: I use/watch over an old auto shop of friend who moved away. Its often been a temporary home of stray cats who come and move on (the location is in-town). About 6 weeks ago I was there and saw an orange tabby who hissed at me -- and then fell down. I knew she was weak and hungry. Fed her and discovered a kitten with her later that day. I've been feeding and socializing them for weeks. (And it was working too. They were both following me around). That is in the past tense, because last Tuesday I showed up to feed them and the woman next door said her sister took them home. -- Now, I was looking for a home or foster home for them, especially with winter coming in New England -- but I'm pissed that someone just decided they were there for the taking -- even if the intentions were good. But I'm also bothered by the thought that this mother was not a stray. She socialize with me in a matter of days. She went from shy to running to me when I showed up -- which I thought was unusual and makes me think she was owned and loved by someone before. And there is more; for most of the first few weeks I was feeding them, the mother stayed there near her kitten. Then starting a couple of weeks ago, I would show up and the mother would not be around. At first I thought she was just stronger and wondering some -- but on one of these days, I went looking for her mostly through back yards in the area. A couple of blocks away a woman to told me she had seen 'that cat,' wondering through her yard a few times, and it ran when she tried to get close to it. -- But she didn't run towards the shop -- but in the opposite direction. At the time I thought that was odd, and wondered if it had a home in that direction and that is why she was there in the first place. So I guess I asking about cat behavior here; is it possible that this cat was pregnant and maybe the owners were off on vacation or something and she became lost and she had her kitten in an old car, and stayed for a few weeks knowing she didn't know the way home or couldn't travel with a kitten, etc. Should I just forget about this whole thing, or make an issue about it? I know they might be better off with this woman, but they might not be either. A admittedly I'm guessing at that simply because I know there are two other cats and two people in a small trailer. But at the same time, I keep having this thought some little kid is still missing his orange cat. I also had made arrangements with the local humane society to get help with a vet -- and picked one that would be the most likely to know if someone as looking for an orange tabby. I have wondered over the past few days 9since the abduction) if I was just attached and missing them, but the fact is I also keep an eye out for someone missing a really pretty, friendly cat. Most strays that hang around for awhile have been abandoned or are not taken care of properly. My rule is that if the cat is not neutered then all bets are off as to prior owners and the cat becomes mine. Be happy that the cat and the kitten were adopted together, and work on finding other strays homes. One thing I would recommend is if you have a stray that is socialized and will let you near them, don't leave them outside until you decide what to do. Take them to a vet for FIV/Felv testing, neutering and vaccinations then keep them safe indoors.This way they will be out of harm's way and you will know exactly where they are while you decide whether to keep them or rehome them. Megan  Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >Most strays that hang around for awhile have been abandoned or are not taken >care of properly. My rule is that if the cat is not neutered then all bets >are off as to prior owners and the cat becomes mine. Be happy that the cat >and the kitten were adopted together, and work on finding other strays homes. >One thing I would recommend is if you have a stray that is socialized and >will let you near them, don't leave them outside until you decide what to do. >Take them to a vet for FIV/Felv testing, neutering and vaccinations then keep >them safe indoors.This way they will be out of harm's way and you will know >exactly where they are while you decide whether to keep them or rehome them. I didn't just leave them outside. I wasn't waiting to decide -- the kitten was not completely socialized. Furthermore, the people who took them don't as far as anyone knows have a good home, nor the means to take the cats to a vet. -- So don't jump to conclusions. And there is still the issue of someone missing a mother cat who came around quite quickly to have been alone for long -- which is point. When trying to "help" someone who comes here -- don't make assumptions! >Megan > >"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do >nothing." >-Edmund Burke >Learn The TRUTH About Declawing >http://www.stopdeclaw.com >Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: >http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 >"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one >elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid >plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves >too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's >favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, >which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." >- W.H. Murray > I didn't just leave them outside. I > wasn't waiting to decide -- the kitten > was not completely socialized. It was socialized enough that somebody else was able to get the kitten, so it is clear you could have brought both cats inside. > Furthermore, the people who took them > don't as far as anyone knows have a good > home, nor the means to take the cats to > a vet. -- So don't jump to conclusions. Then don't expect us to be mindreaders. You didn't say that in your original post and I don't think you really know anything about who took them or you would have put it in your original post. This sounds more to me like you are angry because you were slow to act and now have no control over the situation. > And there is still the issue of someone > missing a mother cat who came around > quite quickly to have been alone for > long -- which is point. Anyone that would allow a cat to remain unspayed, roam and get pregnant in this day and age does not deserve to have the cat. > When trying to "help" someone who comes > here -- don't make assumptions! When asking for help don't be so rude. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >> I didn't just leave them outside. I >> wasn't waiting to decide -- the kitten >> was not completely socialized. >It was socialized enough that somebody else was able to get the kitten, so it >is clear you could have brought both cats inside. They were in inside when *they* wanted to be. They were free to come in and go out as needed if it was cold. They also had an dry place out side that they wanted to be in, most of the time. It also is not a big deal to wait until a cat is hungry and trick they out with a can of food -- as these people did. So don't try to tell me they were socialized for adoption. They weren't. >> Furthermore, the people who took them >> don't as far as anyone knows have a good >> home, nor the means to take the cats to >> a vet. -- So don't jump to conclusions. >Then don't expect us to be mindreaders. You didn't say that in your original >post and I don't think you really know anything about who took them or you >would have put it in your original post. This sounds more to me like you are >angry because you were slow to act and now have no control over the >situation. I don't expect you to be mind readers. I do expect you not to be the pompous jackasses that some of you people are. -- One point of anger is that someone stole cats that I was caring for. They waited until they knew I would not be there instead of asking what the plan was. >> And there is still the issue of someone >> missing a mother cat who came around >> quite quickly to have been alone for >> long -- which is point. >Anyone that would allow a cat to remain unspayed, roam and get pregnant in >this day and age does not deserve to have the cat. Here you go again being a pompous jackass. -- The first time I saw the momcat she was so weak she fell down trying to hiss at me. >> When trying to "help" someone who comes >> here -- don't make assumptions! >When asking for help don't be so rude. Then stop being a know-it-all. People who don't know much, usually do that to compensate for not being as smart as they want to be. >Megan > >"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do >nothing." >-Edmund Burke >Learn The TRUTH About Declawing >http://www.stopdeclaw.com >Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: >http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 >"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one >elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid >plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves >too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's >favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, >which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." >- W.H. Murray How do you know that they weren't socialized for adoption? Were you there at the birth when the cats were kittens? Were you there when the momma cat tought them how to use a litterbox with a little help from their original humans? You say you do expect us to not be pompous jackasses yet the only one I see being that is you. You may be upset but just because you found these cats doesn't make them yours. You also came in here asking for help and then decided to be rude and obnoxious with a know-it-all attitude. Just admit you are not perfect and know everything. You would have gotten a lot further if you didn't call people names, and got on an ego trip. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > It also is not a big deal to wait until a cat is hungry and trick they out > with a can of food -- as these people did. So don't try to tell me they were > socialized for adoption. They weren't. > I don't expect you to be mind readers. I do expect you not to be the pompous > jackasses that some of you people are. -- One point of anger is that someone > stole cats that I was caring for. They waited until they knew I would not be > there instead of asking what the plan was. > >Anyone that would allow a cat to remain unspayed, roam and get pregnant in > >this day and age does not deserve to have the cat. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > >- W.H. Murray >How do you know that they weren't socialized for adoption? Ah.. the socialization they had was coming from me and the neighbors across the street. -- What part of that confuses you? >Were you there at >the birth when the cats were kittens? Were you there when the momma cat >tought them how to use a litterbox with a little help from their original >humans? Hmmm. You set up a litter box for outdoor cats -- Who in this case were very nicely using some favorite bushes for that. -- Funny thing too; I had one party willing to adopt them -- after they saw the vet -- **because** they were using the outdoors for a litter box. You say you do expect us to not be pompous jackasses yet the only one >I see being that is you. Really! I'm not the one making assumptions. Ever here the phrase, "Think before you speak?" And the other one about 'don't open your mouth and convince everyone you're an idiot!' You may be upset but just because you found these >cats doesn't make them yours. You also came in here asking for help and then >decided to be rude and obnoxious with a know-it-all attitude. Ah.. I responded to YOUR know-it-all attitude. You need to work on it. Just admit you >are not perfect and know everything. You would have gotten a lot further if >you didn't call people names, and got on an ego trip. If I knew everything I would not have come here in the first place. You on the other hand seem to think that everything is just great and wanting to know what happened to cats I was caring -- and the person who took them was not doing anything for -- is wrong. Rephrased; I'm the person who was doing the caring. The person who took them wasn't do the caring. What part of that is confusing to you? It is not your decision for adopting out cats. Rescue groups are supposed to be the ones to that. Since you do not have legal custody of the cats then you can't adopt them out. I suggest you study the laws in your state regarding this. If you really feel they were dumped then you should go to the police or the agency that handles the animal cruelty laws in your state or city. Of course with your anger issues and previous posts you'll probably no doubt say you know everything and that you have the right to take the law into your own hands. I have to wonder why you bothered posting for help here when all you seem to want to do is toot your own horn, name call, and say how you seem to know it all. I think I'll just killfile you now since you obviously will not listen. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Hmmm. You set up a litter box for outdoor cats -- Who in this case were very > nicely using some favorite bushes for that. -- Funny thing too; I had one > party willing to adopt them -- after they saw the vet -- **because** they were > using the outdoors for a litter box. > Really! I'm not the one making assumptions. Ever here the phrase, "Think > before you speak?" And the other one about 'don't open your mouth and [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Rephrased; I'm the person who was doing the caring. The person who took them > wasn't do the caring. What part of that is confusing to you? ] > It is not your decision for adopting out cats. Rescue groups are > supposed to be the ones to that. Since you do not have legal > custody of the cats then you can't adopt them out. Oh bullshit. I am adopting out strays independently and with the blessing of the local SPCA. They don't have the manpower to get involved other than neutering them. >It is not your decision for adopting out cats. Lets see; According to you I'm wrong for objecting to what happened -- in the context of its okay (according to you) for the other person to do it -- is also not in a formal rescue group. You really need to stop mixing your meds, and posting on the internet. Rescue groups are supposed to >be the ones to that. Since you do not have legal custody of the cats then you >can't adopt them out. I suggest you study the laws in your state regarding >this. So you know that for a fact? Like you know where I am and can tell us here and now? I'm impressed. Say, do you think the space four cats have in a trailer meets the new animal cruelty law? Or do we need to take their paw prints, and measure floor space and subtract for everything they can't jump over while playing -- to know? > If you really feel they were dumped Who said anything about being dumped? They were there one day. The mother was so weak she couldn't stand up. I took care of her, while the person who stole her did nothing -- but you somehow think I'm the problem here. -- What is your medication anyway. It sure makes you see things in a funny way. then you should go to the police or >the agency that handles the animal cruelty laws in your state or city. So you think the police have the time to find the "unknown" person who might have dumped this cat? Of >course with your anger issues and previous posts you'll probably no doubt say >you know everything and that you have the right to take the law into your own >hands. Really? What is I took into my own hands? I have to wonder why you bothered posting for help here when all you >seem to want to do is toot your own horn, name call, and say how you seem to >know it all. I think I'll just killfile you now since you obviously will not >listen. I have to wonder why an idiot like you keeps posting. See your doctor about the meds you obviously mixing -- or need to be taking. > It is not your decision for adopting out cats. Rescue groups are supposed to > be the ones to that. What the hell? Look at your local newspaper under the "Pets for Sale" column. Any person who feels like it can adopt out or sell an animal. > Since you do not have legal custody of the cats then > you can't adopt them out. How would I establish legal custody of the eight feral kittens I had up for adoption today? In San Francisco, if you feed a stray animal for three consecutive days you are considered the guardian and are liable for all the responsibilities that implies. > I suggest you study the laws in your state regarding this. I suggest you stop yammering about things you know nothing about. > If you really feel they were dumped then you should go to > the police or the agency that handles the animal cruelty laws in your state > or city. What do you suppose the conviction rate is for animal abandonment? Do all of us a favor. Contact your local animal control agency tomorrow and ask them what they would do about a suspected month-old animal abandonment case that occurred in a location other than the property on which the animals normally resided. > Of course with your anger issues and previous posts you'll probably > no doubt say you know everything and that you have the right to take the law > into your own hands. I must have missed the post where letoured plots the lynching. > I have to wonder why you bothered posting for help here > when all you seem to want to do is toot your own horn, name call, and say > how you seem to know it all. Holy sh.t! There's no "seem" about it, you are certifiably insane. > I think I'll just killfile you now since you > obviously will not listen. I've only read a few of your posts and even I know that no one in their right mind would listen to you. (snip) > This sounds more to > me like you are angry because you were slow to act and now have no > control over the situation. Let's say you are feeding a newly discovered colony of feral cats, you've trapped and altered some, others you haven't got to yet. Someone traps and removes five of them, they tell you they went to a good home, but won't tell you where and won't let you see them. Would you be concerned? If so, could you justly be accused of being a control freak? You have a unrealistic view of the kindness of strangers. If this happened to me, I'd be homocidal. (snip) How long did you plan on leaving them there 1 day, 1 month, 1 year? Maybe you should stop with the bruised ego and hope for the best. You might also consider that maybe it was the cat's original human who found them and took them home. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > I didn't just leave them outside. I wasn't waiting to decide -- the kitten was > not completely socialized. Furthermore, the people who took them don't as far > as anyone knows have a good home, nor the means to take the cats to a et. -- > So don't jump to conclusions. And there is still the issue of someone missing > a mother cat who came around quite quickly to have been alone for long -- [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > >- W.H. Murray >How long did you plan on leaving them there 1 day, 1 month, 1 year? Maybe you >should stop with the bruised ego and hope for the best. You might also >consider that maybe it was the cat's original human who found them and took >them home. It wasn't the original owner. That's who I wanted to find. It was someone who decided she liked the look of orange tabby an kitten. People who didn't ask for them, and who have themselves and two other cats in a cold bedroom sized place in a cold Newengland winter, a rusted out car that can't pass inspection (e.g., not money there for proper care), and who may not keep them together -- probably pointed to the cats by a sister who somehow decided that she -- who hadn't done one thing for them,. and who was probably annoyed that they ran from her, but came to me when I showed up and followed me around -- had the right to take them. -- When in fact she ought to be working on the four kittens she has to get rid of. Now, start asking for facts instead of assuming. -- We had a momcat who once she was strong enough and not dehydrated and falling down, as she was the first time I saw her -- who was seen on at least three occasions a few blocks away and going further away. She never wandered anywhere else and there was a network of neighbors and kids who were watching them and for them. I had cats all my life, and I think the momcat was looking for someplace she once was -- because she had become strong enough to move around, and she was sure the kitten was protected. And she did take care of her kitten more then most momcats do. How do you know it wasn't their original human (any cat person knows that the cat is never owned by a human)? You seem to assume that it wasn't. For someone who keeps saying we should learn the facts maybe you need to learn them yourself. Also stop with the ego trip. You came here asking for advice and help but when you didn't like the answers given, you got rude, obnoxious and started with calling people names. The scenario you painted from origianl post said this was abandoned building and therefore someone in the community possibly opened their heart to these felines and brought them home to care for them. Now you are upset because someone didn't give you that person's name and address? You also seem to think cats are more like dogs and therefore their main mission in life is to bond to you. You may have had cats all your life but your postings show all of us that you have a lot to learn about both rescue and cats. If your ego is really that important perhaps you would be more suited for dog rescue. Let this incident go and move on. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > It wasn't the original owner. That's who I wanted to find. It was someone > who decided she liked the look of orange tabby an kitten. People who didn't [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > kitten was protected. And she did take care of her kitten more then most > momcats do. >How do you know it wasn't their original human (any cat person knows that the >cat is never owned by a human)? You seem to assume that it wasn't. Because the woman would have said that -- and she would not have watched me play with them for 6 weeks if her "sister" -- who reportedly lives around 7 miles away lost them. Funny thing about the sister too. I have a description of the car, and when looking today. No car like that where she is reported to live. For >someone who keeps saying we should learn the facts maybe you need to learn >them yourself. Also stop with the ego trip. You came here asking for advice [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >all your life but your postings show all of us that you have a lot to learn >about both rescue and cats. Really? Hows that? If your ego is really that important perhaps you >would be more suited for dog rescue. Let this incident go and move on. No I need to find out what happened to these cats -- who were being cared for and who ran from the lady who stole them and followed me around. You have a very distorted sense of what is correct here. Oh so now you're a professional detective? What was your next tactic? Find the woman, bust into her house and take the cats by force. Leave the law to the police. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Because the woman would have said that -- and she would not have watched me > play with them for 6 weeks if her "sister" -- who reportedly lives around 7 > miles away lost them. > > Funny thing about the sister too. I have a description of the car, and when > looking today. No car like that where she is reported to live. >Oh so now you're a professional detective? What was your next tactic? Find >the woman, bust into her house and take the cats by force. Leave the law to >the police. Of course not. But once I was involved in military intelligence. Back then I would have reported that you are on something and no one knows what, or where you're getting it -- but its making you crazy. > Let this incident go and > move on. Is that what you do when a cat you care for goes missing? >> Let this incident go and >> move on. > >Is that what you do when a cat you care for goes missing? If you think this trip hasn't been fun you are absolutely right! They weren't his cats to begin with. He also wants to take the law into his own hands by investigating witnesses and even going so far to find the name and address of the person who may or may not have taken them. We have police for this very reason. If he thinks someone just maliciously took them they he needs to go to the police instead of being a control freak and taking matters into his own hands. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > If you think this trip hasn't been fun you are absolutely right! >They weren't his cats to begin with. Are you sure of that under the law where I am? He also wants to take the law into his >own hands by investigating witnesses You keep making things up -- You need to stop mixing your meds. and even going so far to find the name >and address of the person who may or may not have taken them. We have police >for this very reason. There you go making things up that I never said. But you bring up a point -- and you ought to know that collecting facts for authorities is not wrong. -- But since you think so, tell me, what kind of drugs are you using anyway and where do you get them? If he thinks someone just maliciously took them they he >needs to go to the police instead of being a control freak and taking matters >into his own hands. And they will want to know what? -- You are the quintessential dimwit. I think someone ought to invistagate to see if you're being over medicated and if not, you ought to isolated so you can't breed. >Hi. I sometimes lurk here - but now I need to know what other think of this: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >the woman next door said her sister took them home. -- Now, I was looking for >a home or foster home for them, especially with winter coming in New England Why don't you ask your neighbor for her sister's address then go visit her and the kitties. You may find peace of mind about the new home. If you had intended to take them home for yourself, you should have done it sooner. The important thing is they have a home with someone who apparently wanted them. MLB >>Hi. I sometimes lurk here - but now I need to know what other think of this: >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >The important thing is they have a home with someone who apparently wanted >them. MLB Your tone borders on the obnoxious. You obviously do not have a full handle on the entire situation. I had everything thing under planned -- this taking was planned by someone else, who knew better then to ask -- and who refuses to give me the address or name of the supposed sister. -- Thanks for non-advice. I'll know where not to go in the future. >>>Hi. I sometimes lurk here - but now I need to know what other think of this: >>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >give me the address or name of the supposed sister. -- Thanks for non-advice. >I'll know where not to go in the future. It seems to me that you are more concerned with loss of control of the situation than with the welfare of the cats. Since cats don't react well to attempts at control - one of the reasons why power seeking people such as politicians, and especially dictators, generally don't have much use for cats, but prefer dogs - dogs do respond well to control. If you are going to be involved in animal rescues, I suggest you forget about cats and concentrate on dogs - there are plenty of those that need rescue just as much as do stray cats, and they would be more in tune with your attitude. And since dog rescue almost always involves taking control of the dog immediately, there is little chance of someone else intervening. T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig in the body) >>>>Hi. I sometimes lurk here - but now I need to know what other think of this: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>give me the address or name of the supposed sister. -- Thanks for non-advice. >>I'll know where not to go in the future. >It seems to me that you are more concerned with loss of control of the >situation than with the welfare of the cats. And you know what that situation is from your end of this computer? Amazing. Since cats don't react well to >attempts at control - one of the reasons why power seeking people such as >politicians, and especially dictators, generally don't have much use for >cats, but prefer dogs - dogs do respond well to control. If you are going to >be involved in animal rescues, I suggest you forget about cats and >concentrate on dogs - there are plenty of those that need rescue just as much >as do stray cats, What if the momcat wasn't a stray? -- Did you miss and friends here miss that part here? and they would be more in tune with your attitude. And >since dog rescue almost always involves taking control of the dog >immediately, there is little chance of someone else intervening. Next time I want advice, I will find people with a few more smarts and socialization skills then I see here -- because, well you know -- I don't know how be tactful about this, but everyone who is aware of the situation in the neighborhood thinks something is wrong, -- as in there is more going on here then is apparent. e.g., the motivations of the persons who took them might not be as noble as you people are assuming. (I just didn't go into that part in the initial post). By this post I have to wonder if you are going to track the person down, beat the crap out of them and then take the cats to a shelter that may be no-kill only to have them put down. I think you really need to get a grip here because you obviously have an issue with anger and control. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Next time I want advice, I will find people with a few more smarts and > socialization skills then I see here -- because, well you know -- I don't know [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > be as noble as you people are assuming. (I just didn't go into that part in > the initial post). >By this post I have to wonder if you are going to track the person down, beat >the crap out of them and then take the cats to a shelter that may be no-kill >only to have them put down. I think you really need to get a grip here >because you obviously have an issue with anger and control. You're a complete idiot. Isn't there some where else you should be? I guess I rest my case about you. If you have to resort to name calling then it only makes you look even worse. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > You're a complete idiot. Isn't there some where else you should be? > By this post I have to wonder if you are going to track the person down, > beat the crap out of them and then take the cats to a shelter that may be > no-kill only to have them put down. I think you really need to get a grip > here because you obviously have an issue with anger and control. Anyone that snatches cats, won't say exactly where they are and refuses to allow an interested party to see the cats is behaving _very_ suspiciously. I'm beginning to think the cats are dead. Why are you criticizing the OP for caring about the welfare of these two cats? >> By this post I have to wonder if you are going to track the person down, >> beat the crap out of them and then take the cats to a shelter that may be [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >to allow an interested party to see the cats is behaving _very_ >suspiciously. I'm beginning to think the cats are dead. Or, thinks that the cats and/or the person who actually has them are at risk from the person to whom he/she is refusing to give information. If the OP is as hostile in person as here, I would refuse to give out any information at all, not even the time of day. >Why are you criticizing the OP for caring about the welfare of these two >cats? There is more evidence that the OP is a control freak than that he has any real feelings for the cats. Note that most of the people objecting to the OP mostly have years of experience rescuing cats ... and dealing with people on the fringes of the rescue efforts. T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig in the body) > >> By this post I have to wonder if you are going to track the person down, > >> beat the crap out of them and then take the cats to a shelter that may be [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > at risk from the person to whom he/she is refusing to give > information. Huh? > If the OP is as hostile in person as here, I would > refuse to give out any information at all, not even the time of day. He's more calm than I would be in the same situation. > >Why are you criticizing the OP for caring about the welfare of these two > >cats? > > There is more evidence that the OP is a control freak than that he has > any real feelings for the cats. I don't see it. > Note that most of the people > objecting to the OP mostly have years of experience rescuing cats ... > and dealing with people on the fringes of the rescue efforts. I've been involved in feral cat rescue for over 17 years. This includes daily management of 100+ cats in outdoor colonies in San Francisco and San Mateo counties, trapping and altering more cats over the years than I can count, socializing and rehoming feral kittens, rehabilitating and rehoming strays, nursing sick kittens rejected by local shelters. Today, I'll be shlepping 8 socialized, former feral kittens to an adoption fair and I would not dream of letting a kitten go to any person who refused to tell me where (s)he lived or would refuse a request to visit the cat. It sounds like the orange tabby's outdoor life (provided she is spayed), as described, is preferrable to an indoor life crowded into a small trailer with two humans and four cats. I'm not the type of feral cat rescuer who believes all feral cats have "short, miserable lives filled with suffering and pain". I don't believe it because it's not true. Oh, my user name of "frlpwr" stands for Feralpower! >>> By this post I have to wonder if you are going to track the person down, >>> beat the crap out of them and then take the cats to a shelter that may be [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>to allow an interested party to see the cats is behaving _very_ >>suspiciously. I'm beginning to think the cats are dead. >Or, thinks that the cats and/or the person who actually has them are at risk >from the person to whom he/she is refusing to give >information. If the OP is as hostile in person as here, I would refuse to >give out any information at all, not even the time of day. The hostile person here is you and the people like you. -- You should be checked out before bellowed near living things. >>Why are you criticizing the OP for caring about the welfare of these two >>cats? >There is more evidence that the OP is a control freak than that he has any >real feelings for the cats. Note that most of the people objecting to the OP >mostly have years of experience rescuing cats ... and dealing with people on >the fringes of the rescue efforts. There is more evidence that you don't know what in the hell you are talking about. >T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig >in the body) Funny. It seems everyone is saying the same thing here about you. You have been nothing but hostile, rude and obnoxious. You have resorted to name calling to try and drive your point. You show you have control and anger issues as well as an inflated ego. I'd go on with the list but you will only to be in denial. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > The hostile person here is you and the people like you. -- You should be > checked out before bellowed near living things. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig > >in the body) >Funny. It seems everyone is saying the same thing here about you. No. Just a.sholes like you -- and you are the one in denial. I suggest you stop mixing your meds -- because its not working and leaving you mentally unbalanced. You have >been nothing but hostile, rude and obnoxious. You have resorted to name >calling to try and drive your point. You show you have control and anger >issues as well as an inflated ego. I'd go on with the list but you will only >to be in denial. >Next time I want advice, I will find people with a few more smarts and >socialization skills then I see here -- because, well you know -- I don't know [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >be as noble as you people are assuming. (I just didn't go into that part in >the initial post). Try some other group - all you'll find here are cat people, especially people who have rescued many cats already and continue to rescue them, mostly successfully. "but everyone who is aware of the situation in the >neighborhood thinks something is wrong, -- as in there is more going on here >then is apparent. e.g., the motivations of the persons who took them might not >be as noble as you people are assuming" We know nothing about that person's motives, and so can make no assumptions other than that the cat and kitten may have found a home with someone who wants them, but there is definitely something wrong in what we do know, and that's about you. I can easily understand why the neighbor is unwilling to give you the sister's address - in a situation such as you have described, I would want to get the cat and kitten out of it as quickly as possible and not to let you find out where they went. While there might be something nefarious going on, it seems more likely that the neighbor is acting in the interests of the cats and being cautious toward you to protect the sister and the cats from you. T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig in the body) (snip) > Try some other group - all you'll find here are cat people, especially > people who have rescued many cats already and continue to rescue them, > mostly successfully. Do you think all feral cats should be living in human households? > "but everyone who is aware of the situation in the > >neighborhood thinks something is wrong, -- as in there is more going on here > >then is apparent. e.g., the motivations of the persons who took them might not > >be as noble as you people are assuming" > > We know nothing about that person's motives, We can deduce her motives. All the woman has to do is allow the OP to see the cats and check out where and how they are living. What if the cats are housed in carriers within the trailer? What if she is using the female as a breeder? (Lots of people are obsessed with orange kittens, you know.) What if she feeds her cats nothing but tablescraps or keeps them as unfed mousers? The simple fact that she is not willing to let the OP know any details about the cats is reason enough to be suspect. > and so can make no > assumptions other than that the cat and kitten may have found a home > with someone who wants them Apparently your years of experience in cat rescue have not taught you any lessons about the frequency of animal abuse, neglect and animal hoarding. What makes you think that trading the certainty of food and shelter offered by the OP for "may have found a home", a home of unknown quality, is a good deal for the cats? A home is not necessarily a good home. I recently rescued seven old tomcats from a woman's trailer. They were kept in carriers for extended periods of time, their fur was matted with their own feces and their skin was burnt from urine. They were walking skeletons. None of them weighed over 6 pounds and one weighed just 4 pounds. Their muscle tone was so compromised that five of them required surgery after developing hernias from just walking around my cat room. Two were untreated diabetics now on daily insulin injections. All of them have kidney problems as a consequnce of poor quality food. They were infested with fleas, tapeworms and earmites. The few teeth they still had among them needed to be cleaned. The critical point of this man's dilemma is why isn't he permitted to see the cats and their surroundings? He doesn't seem unreasonable to me. I think if he was assured about the cats' quality of care, he would be happily relieved. , but there is definitely something wrong > in what we do know, and that's about you. I can easily understand why > the neighbor is unwilling to give you the sister's address - in a > situation such as you have described, I would want to get the cat and > kitten out of it as quickly as possible What had he done to the cats that would warrant this? He was providing food and shelter, more than most people do for stray cats. I have to doubt your claim of years of rescue experience if you are going to act shocked if someone doesn't jump right on the T/N/R express. > and not to let you find out > where they went. Do you feed feral and/or stray cats? Would you accept their disappearance so easily? If so, I suggest you are unfit for feral cat management. > While there might be something nefarious going on, > it seems more likely that the neighbor is acting in the interests of > the cats Why? Nothing in their behavior would indicate this. > and being cautious toward you to protect the sister and the > cats from you. Crikey! The guy was feeding and sheltering a stray cat and kitten! Why are you acting as if he mistreated them? >>Next time I want advice, I will find people with a few more smarts and >>socialization skills then I see here -- because, well you know -- I don't know [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>be as noble as you people are assuming. (I just didn't go into that part in >>the initial post). >Try some other group - all you'll find here are cat people, especially people >who have rescued many cats already and continue to rescue them, mostly >successfully. >"but everyone who is aware of the situation in the >>neighborhood thinks something is wrong, -- as in there is more going on here >>then is apparent. e.g., the motivations of the persons who took them might not >>be as noble as you people are assuming" >We know nothing about that person's motives, and so can make no >assumptions other than that the cat and kitten may have found a home with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >described, I would want to get the cat and kitten out of it as quickly as >possible and not to let you find out where they went. Lets see: they had a shelter in the night, a dry atrium where they could out in the sunshine where they **wanted** to be in the day, food and water -- and someone the momcat ran to when he arrived and who stayed and played with them trying to get them use to human contact -- Really bad for them eh? I think you're a jerk without a clue that something is wrong here. While there might be >something nefarious going on, it seems more likely that the neighbor is >acting in the interests of the cats and being cautious toward you to protect >the sister and the cats from you. Lets see; the Friday before this lady stole the cats she walked off her job, whined about her favorite cats disappearing, and said she wanted the dump one oh her cats --the mother of four 5 week old kittens and keep the kittens. -- Connect those dots! >T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig >in the body) > >>Next time I want advice, I will find people with a few more smarts and > >>socialization skills then I see here -- because, well you know -- I don't know [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >>be as noble as you people are assuming. (I just didn't go into that part in > >>the initial post). I just realized that I sent a reply to equalizer instead of to you. Essentially, I pointed out that people on this group can't respond if they aren't given adequate information. You now say that you "didn't go into that part" initially, so you can't reasonably expect that someone could respond to information that was not provided. However, we are very concerned about the welfare of cats -- it's just that your message kept changing in its tone. MaryL (take out the litter to reply) >> >>Next time I want advice, I will find people with a few more smarts and >> >>socialization skills then I see here -- because, well you know -- I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >in >> >>the initial post). >I just realized that I sent a reply to equalizer instead of to you. >Essentially, I pointed out that people on this group can't respond if they >aren't given adequate information. Some here also made assumptions here. Its a trait of dimwits. You now say that you "didn't go into that >part" initially, so you can't reasonably expect that someone could respond to >information that was not provided. However, we are very concerned about the >welfare of cats -- it's just that your message kept changing in its tone. And your point is? As far as I can tell no one has a right to come on someone elses property and take cats that another is caring for. Period. >MaryL >(take out the litter to reply) the motivations of the persons who took them > >might not > >> >>be as noble as you people are assuming. (I just didn't go into that part [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > And your point is? The point is that I really am not trying to be abrasive. However, it is difficult to help someone if the information is given to us in little bits and pieces. It would have been far more helpful if you had spelled everything out in the first message. This doesn't mean that we should not offer help, but you also are quick to take offense when people on this group did not somehow "read between the lines" to come to the same conclusion that you reached. > As far as I can tell no one has a right to come on someone elses property and > take cats that another is caring for. Period. This is an example of what I was talking about. I did not read everything in this thread, so it is possible that you mentioned someone coming onto your friend's property to take the cat. If so, it was buried somewhere in the messages. What I noticed in your very first message was that you said you "went looking for her mostly through back yards in the area." That means that you were also going onto someone else's property (understandable, by the way, since you were searching for the cat). I am not trying to say that what happened to you is "right" -- only that you cannot expect all of us to understand what you have not explained. In your first message, you said "I know they might be better off with this woman, but they might not be either." But in your next message you said, "the people who took them don't as far as anyone knows have a good home, nor the means to take the cats to a vet." This sounds like you had a very big change of opinion in the space of 12 hours (the elapsed time from your first message to your second message). Is there anyone else in your area that can help you track down the precise sequence of events? For example, are there neighbors of the woman who took the cat that you could contact in an attempt to see if the mother cat and kittens are being properly cared for? I do hope -- for the sake of the cats -- that your fears are unfounded, but I don't know how we can ascertain that until someone is able to locate the cats and evaluate the situation. > >MaryL > >(take out the litter to reply) >the motivations of the persons who took them >> >might not [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >difficult to help someone if the information is given to us in little bits >and pieces. I think you like whining. It would have been far more helpful if you had spelled >everything out in the first message. This doesn't mean that we should not >offer help, but you also are quick to take offense when people on this group >did not somehow "read between the lines" to come to the same conclusion that >you reached. Bullshit. Some people here are complete idiots and they delighted in jumping all over me without any cause except the pettiness of their own personality. An intelligent person would start asking questions. The jerks here didn't. They attacked with the premise that the person caring for the cats was somehow wrong, and the person who stole them was right -- with no evidence what-so-ever to support their up-side-down thinking. >> As far as I can tell no one has a right to come on someone elses property >and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >trying to say that what happened to you is "right" -- only that you cannot >expect all of us to understand what you have not explained. This is Vermont. We're not a bunch of anal retentive a.sholes when someone is looking for lost pet. But, FWIW, I looked from a public parking lot. There -- how big and smart do you feel now? The rest of your post is more of this nonsense. You're whining about insignificant points trying not to look stupid. -- The lesson is this; The next time you want to jump on someone, don't whine on when its given back to you. E.g., below you are whining that about this and that and never address the main point; this bimbo stole cats that she was not only was not caring for, but she ignored! You know its funny how things work out. -- I may not be able to do anything about the cats -- and which is not determined yet -- but the idiot who won't tell me where the cats are is also working off the books. -- I'm going tip off the IRS! >In your first message, you said "I know they might be better off with this >woman, but they might not be either." But in your next message you said, >"the people who took them don't as far as anyone knows have a good home, nor >the means to take the cats to a vet." This sounds like you had a very big >change of opinion in the space of 12 hours (the elapsed time from your first >message to your second message). >Is there anyone else in your area that can help you track down the precise >sequence of events? For example, are there neighbors of the woman who took [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >MaryL >> >(take out the litter to reply) <SNIP> >Next time I want advice, I will find people with a few more smarts and >socialization skills then I see here -- because, well you know -- I don't know [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >be as noble as you people are assuming. (I just didn't go into that part in >the initial post). dork-o-meter® 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 !----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----! /\ !! > <SNIP> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >be as noble as you people are assuming. (I just didn't go into that part in > >the initial post). I haven't responded to your earlier messages, but I would like to point out that those who did reply could only use the information that you provided. You now say that "I just didn't go into that part in the initial post." It is important to include as much information as possible because we can't infer information that isn't provided. If you are seriously concerned (as it now sounds), could you get someone else in the neighborhood to look for a license plate and then give that information to a rescue group for follow-up? MaryL (take out the litter to reply) (snip) > I haven't responded to your earlier messages, but I would like to point out > that those who did reply could only use the information that you provided. > You now say that "I just didn't go into that part in the initial post." It > is important to include as much information as possible because we can't > infer information that isn't provided. What more information could you possibly need? The facts are simple. Without any prior discussion, someone removed two stray cats that another person had been feeding and sheltering. How would you feel if this happened to you? You're an a.shole. Who drew the irture for you -- I know you could not have done it. ><SNIP> >>Next time I want advice, I will find people with a few more smarts and >>socialization skills then I see here -- because, well you know -- I don't know [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>be as noble as you people are assuming. (I just didn't go into that part in >>the initial post). > dork-o-meter > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 > !----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----! > /\ > !! >You're an a.shole. Who drew the irture for you -- I know you could not have >done it. What's an irture, LOL! I know what the problem is though. You're a transplanted Masshole, aren't you? >><SNIP> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> /\ >> !! >>You're an a.shole. Who drew the irture for you -- I know you could not have >>done it. >What's an irture, LOL! I know what the problem is though. You're a >transplanted Masshole, aren't you? I have a carpal tunnel injury that causes things like that -- of course you being a know-it-all a.shole would make fun of someone with a problem. >>><SNIP> >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>> /\ >>> !! >You're an a.shole. Who drew the irture for you -- I know you could not have >done it. LOL! I think you need someone to operate your keyboard for you -- I SEE you can't do it for yourself!! PS -- Nice Google posting history. I invite everyone else to check it out. This little moron might mot be from Mass, but he sure acts like it, LOL!! eq >><SNIP> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> /\ >> !! >>You're an a.shole. Who drew the irture for you -- I know you could not have >>done it. >LOL! I think you need someone to operate your keyboard for you -- I SEE you >can't do it for yourself!! >PS -- Nice Google posting history. I invite everyone else to check it out. >This little moron might mot be from Mass, but he sure acts like it, LOL!! As before: I have a carpal tunnel injury that causes things like that -- of course you being a know-it-all a.shole would make fun of someone with a problem. As to the rest of your post; I can see you are on the edge of becoming an on-line STALKER -- This mean you have serious emotional problems and I touched your hot buttons by pointing out a truth; *You are an a.shole. See someone about changing your meds. What you have is not working! >eq >>><SNIP> >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>> /\ >>> !! http://www.google.com/groups?as_q=meds&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_uauthors =letoured@nospam.net&lr=&hl=en <SNIP> >See someone about changing your meds. What you have is not working! >Search Result 1 >From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >him you can't remember anything or think clearly, and everyone thinks you're >an a.shole. >Search Result 2 >From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >what was said, or where it went from there. But I'll give you hint; It >wasn't the CUPD. >Search Result 3 >From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc >Date: 2003-06-29 17:35:09 PST >See a shrink about your meds. What you have is not working. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >You are mixing me up with some else. See your shrink about changing your >meds. >See the shrink. Your meds aren't working. >Search Result 4 >From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >that cannot be found anywhere else and list the features that snake oil booby >wants you to buy to find out... >Search Result 6 >From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >normal person would learn to just shutup and go away, but you keep coming back >like a stupid mule. Its why I call you a.shole); >Search Result 7 >From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc >Date: 2002-09-20 15:15:34 PST >nurse read the labels on your meds to you. Another voice, that you don't >know, might sound different and there might be a new treatment you don't >know about too. >Search Result 8 >From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Stop mixing your meds hubert. Anyone can but OS2 from IBM -- Except ofcourse >for ecs spammers like you. >Search Result 9 >From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >**Now see the shrink about changing your meds. What you have is not >working.*** >Search Result 10 >From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >and claim some point that only a complete a.shole would take. Now get out of >the OS2 newsgroups and stay in the ecs news groups where you belong. >Search Result 11 >From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >and showing up here trying to defend a bipolar troll. Maybe you will be need >meds before this is over eh? >Search Result 13 >From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Did you forget to take your meds? >Search Result 14 >From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >what you want and think its smart? -- It time for the doctor to >check your meds. >Search Result 19 >From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >time. His lack of control in this is driving him to stalk and harass me on >the internet in every location he can find. He needs a change in meds... >Search Result 20 >From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Get your meds checked hubert. What you have now is not working. I don't bother looking up nonsense whining, posted by people like you equalizer; E.g., a.sholes don't get that kind of attention. Now smarten up, grow up and shut up. BTW, bozo bowen was a student at Colorado University who among other things, was was stalking me on the internet. He is a nut job. -- After awhile I contacted the administration there. They have shut him down. -- His is a case of someone who certainly did need to have his meds checked. Now don't you look smart. NOT! >http://www.google.com/groups?as_q=meds&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_uauthors =letoured@nospam.net&lr=&hl=en ><SNIP> >> >>See someone about changing your meds. What you have is not working! >>Search Result 1 >>From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >>him you can't remember anything or think clearly, and everyone thinks you're >>an a.shole. >>Search Result 2 >>From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >>what was said, or where it went from there. But I'll give you hint; It >>wasn't the CUPD. >>Search Result 3 >>From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc >>Date: 2003-06-29 17:35:09 PST >>See a shrink about your meds. What you have is not working. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>You are mixing me up with some else. See your shrink about changing your >>meds. >>See the shrink. Your meds aren't working. >>Search Result 4 >>From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >>that cannot be found anywhere else and list the features that snake oil booby >>wants you to buy to find out... >>Search Result 6 >>From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >>normal person would learn to just shutup and go away, but you keep coming back >>like a stupid mule. Its why I call you a.shole); >>Search Result 7 >>From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc >>Date: 2002-09-20 15:15:34 PST >>nurse read the labels on your meds to you. Another voice, that you don't >>know, might sound different and there might be a new treatment you don't >>know about too. >>Search Result 8 >>From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>Stop mixing your meds hubert. Anyone can but OS2 from IBM -- Except ofcourse >>for ecs spammers like you. >>Search Result 9 >>From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>**Now see the shrink about changing your meds. What you have is not >>working.*** >>Search Result 10 >>From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >>and claim some point that only a complete a.shole would take. Now get out of >>the OS2 newsgroups and stay in the ecs news groups where you belong. >>Search Result 11 >>From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>and showing up here trying to defend a bipolar troll. Maybe you will be need >>meds before this is over eh? >>Search Result 13 >>From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >>Did you forget to take your meds? >>Search Result 14 >>From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >>what you want and think its smart? -- It time for the doctor to >>check your meds. >>Search Result 19 >>From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >>time. His lack of control in this is driving him to stalk and harass me on >>the internet in every location he can find. He needs a change in meds... >>Search Result 20 >>From: letoured@nospam.net (letoured@nospam.net) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >>Get your meds checked hubert. What you have now is not working. >>>You're an a.shole. Who drew the irture for you -- I know you could not have >>>done it. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >on-line STALKER -- This mean you have serious emotional problems and I touched >your hot buttons by pointing out a truth; *You are an a.shole. http://makeashorterlink.com/?R22452636 >See someone about changing your meds. What you have is not working! > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>>> /\ >>>> !! Having trouble explaining what you think??? -- Why don't you stop hyperventilating -- and get those meds checked!!! >>>>You're an a.shole. Who drew the irture for you -- I know you could not have >>>>done it. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>on-line STALKER -- This mean you have serious emotional problems and I touched >>your hot buttons by pointing out a truth; *You are an a.shole. >http://makeashorterlink.com/?R22452636 >>See someone about changing your meds. What you have is not working! >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>>>> /\ >>>>> !! >>>You're an a.shole. Who drew the irture for you -- I know you could not have >>>done it. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >on-line STALKER -- This mean you have serious emotional problems and I touched >your hot buttons by pointing out a truth; *You are an a.shole. http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q14442636 >See someone about changing your meds. What you have is not working! > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>>> /\ >>>> !! >>>You're an a.shole. Who drew the irture for you -- I know you could not have >>>done it. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >See someone about changing your meds. What you have is not working! http://makeashorterlink.com/?B17414636 our not human, are you? I think you're actually a very poorly written troll bot in Perl script, or more likely, Tandy Basic..... I remember a nifty little utility like you back in the 70's written for the PDP11. Of course, it was much sharper....... Keep working on it though!! eq >>>>You're an a.shole. Who drew the irture for you -- I know you could not have >>>>done it. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >>See someone about changing your meds. What you have is not working! >http://makeashorterlink.com/?B17414636 >our not human, are you? I think you're actually a very poorly written troll >bot in Perl script, or more likely, Tandy Basic..... >I remember a nifty little utility like you back in the 70's written for the >PDP11. Of course, it was much sharper....... >Keep working on it though!! I always get your kind of idiotic reaction. It happens whenever I take a complete a.shole to task and best them. Now why don't you just admit to yourself that you're stupid and shut up??? >eq <SNIP> >As to the rest of your post; I can see you are on the edge of becoming an >on-line STALKER -- This mean you have serious emotional problems and I touched >your hot buttons by pointing out a truth; *You are an a.shole. > >See someone about changing your meds. What you have is not working! http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y21552636 <SNIP I think you are just pissed because someone came in and decided the cats needed and deserved a good and loving home. It seems you have a problem with control and doing what is in the best interest of the cats. Why not just be happy and hope the person who took the cats has given them a better life. You also might want to consider the fact the person who took them is involved with animal rescue and discovered the cats when you weren't around or they also were picked up by someone who though they were strays (which they were by your description of the situation) and brought them to a shelter. Get over your control issue and let it go. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Your tone borders on the obnoxious. You obviously do not have a full handle > on the entire situation. I had everything thing under planned -- this taking > was planned by someone else, who knew better then to ask -- and who |
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