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Aphrodite's Cat - 13 Oct 2003 23:00 GMT
It turns out that my fosters had an upper respiratory infection- so, today I
had to turn them over to the SPCA to get put down.  If treated, it could
have been a total cure or someone could have a sickly cat for the rest of
their lives.

RIP Idwal- light ginger male, all 4s stuck in the food bowl
RIP Anwen- blue, loved to be cuddled while everyone was asleep
RIP Branwyn- torti female, was a mess with her food
RIP Cadfael- champagne male, ate like a gentleman
RIP Llew- dark ginger male, loved to climb the curtains in the kitchen

They're with their mum now.  They were very much loved while they were with
me and they will never be forgotten.

*cries some more*

Aphrodite's Cat
Mary - 14 Oct 2003 00:02 GMT
>It turns out that my fosters had an upper respiratory infection- so, today I
>had to turn them over to the SPCA to get put down.  If treated, it could
>have been a total cure or someone could have a sickly cat for the rest of
>their lives.

I don't understand. They just needed antibiotics. All of my fosters cats and
kittens had URI. I just gave them clavamox and they were all fine in a few
days. None were sickly forever. Am I missing something here?
MaryL - 14 Oct 2003 00:47 GMT
> >It turns out that my fosters had an upper respiratory infection- so, today I
> >had to turn them over to the SPCA to get put down.  If treated, it could
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> kittens had URI. I just gave them clavamox and they were all fine in a few
> days. None were sickly forever. Am I missing something here?

I am wondering the same thing.  It doesn't make sense to have a policy to
automatically euthanize when they have a foster home with someone who loves
them and is willing to provide care.  Why don't they at least give the
kittens a chance?

MaryL
(take out the litter to reply)
Aphrodite's Cat - 14 Oct 2003 00:52 GMT
For them, it would be like having a perpetual cold, possibly thousands of
dollars in vet visits over the course of their lives and of course, they
could be potential carriers, causing a spiral of sickness among other cats
in the shelters and in homes.

I trust the vets' advice and I also trust the SPCA inspector's advice.
Besides, they weren't mine to decide on to begin with.  We were fostering
them for an animal control officer.  They were rightly his.  He made the
decision.  We have to live with it.  I don't have the money to put 5 kittens
on antibiotics, as well as my other 2 if they contracted it.  The SPCA
doesn't have the money to do it either.  It wasn't my decision and I'm not
going to torture myself with the notion of "what if they were mine".

I stand by the decision of the SPCA.  I also stand by my own principles of
not fostering any more kittens.  I can not emotionally cope with the loss or
potential loss.
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and get cured of all extremely unusual phobias and bizarre compulsive habits
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> >It turns out that my fosters had an upper respiratory infection- so, today I
> >had to turn them over to the SPCA to get put down.  If treated, it could
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> kittens had URI. I just gave them clavamox and they were all fine in a few
> days. None were sickly forever. Am I missing something here?
MaryL - 14 Oct 2003 01:05 GMT
> For them, it would be like having a perpetual cold, possibly thousands of
> dollars in vet visits over the course of their lives and of course, they
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> them for an animal control officer.  They were rightly his.  He made the
> decision.  We have to live with it.

> I stand by the decision of the SPCA.  I also stand by my own principles of
> not fostering any more kittens.  I can not emotionally cope with the loss or
> potential loss.

I still question the SPCA's decision unless there is something here that I
don't know.  However, you are not in a position to make the decision -- and
you have my sincere condolences.  It must be incredibly painful to be placed
in a position where you must relinquish your charges in that way.  As you
said, don't torture yourself.

MaryL
(take out the litter to reply)
Cheryl - 14 Oct 2003 01:11 GMT
> I stand by the decision of the SPCA.  I also stand by my own
> principles of not fostering any more kittens.  I can not
> emotionally cope with the loss or potential loss.

I'm very sorry you lost the kittens.  Bless you for trying and this is
one of the things our local SPCA tells new fosterers: That kittens do
die.  They are fragile and they are always exposed to many bugs and
bacteria when they are either at the shelter or at clinics being
vetted.  Our SPCA has similar policies about euthanizing kittens,
though they usually give them more of a chance but know you did what
you could do and if you can't handle it, bless you for acknowledging
that in the beginning.  I am not sure I could foster sick kittens,
either.  I had to "kennel" for 60 cats one long weekend in the summer
and it broke my heart how many were sick and those that didn't make
it.  Purrs to you for loving them.  Rescue groups have different
policies based on how many resources and volunteers are available to
help.  How about fostering the older ones?  :)
The Puppy Wizard - 22 Oct 2003 00:52 GMT
HOWE abHOWET the whole damned bunch
of you quit HEELPIN critters?

> > I stand by the decision of the SPCA.  I also stand by my own
> > principles of not fostering any more kittens.  I can not
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> policies based on how many resources and volunteers are available to
> help.  How about fostering the older ones?  :)
Mary - 14 Oct 2003 15:46 GMT
>He made the
>decision.  We have to live with it.  I don't have the money to put 5 kittens
>on antibiotics, as well as my other 2 if they contracted it.  The SPCA
>doesn't have the money to do it either.

I buy clavamox for $6 a bottle. That's all it would have taken. I don't believe
this is a real post. Every cat I've ever gotten from a  shelter had upper
respiratory infections which is easily cured with antibiotics in a few days.
They aren't sick for life. Either the cats had something else like FLV, FIV, or
this post isn't real. If someone couldn't afford $6 for antibiotics, they
couldn't afford catfood or litter. If someone is fostering for the ASPCA, I'd
think they'd give the people some antibiotics for free.
Aphrodite's Cat - 14 Oct 2003 20:38 GMT
If you think my pain at giving these kittens over to be euthanased is a
joke, then f*ck off.

Fact is that the kittens didn't even belong to the SPCA- and no it's NOT the
ASPCA, it's the RSPCA.  I don't live in the States.  We were fostering them
for a family who wasn't able to care for them because of their jobs.  He
couldn't pay for the antibiotics because things are a bit more expensive
over here than the "everything costs $1" USA.

NNTR, I'm unsubbing to usenet where there aren't as many stupid people who
want to save all the cutsie animals.  I live in a world where nothing's
fair.  This wasn't fair.  I'm going to deal with it.  I'm sorry that you
can't.
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Aphrodite's Cat.
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> >He made the
> >decision.  We have to live with it.  I don't have the money to put 5 kittens
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> couldn't afford catfood or litter. If someone is fostering for the ASPCA, I'd
> think they'd give the people some antibiotics for free.
Iso - 14 Oct 2003 21:50 GMT
Very well said!

> If you think my pain at giving these kittens over to be euthanased is a
> joke, then f*ck off.
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Mary - 15 Oct 2003 00:43 GMT
>If you think my pain at giving these kittens over to be euthanased is a
>joke, then f*ck off.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>couldn't pay for the antibiotics because things are a bit more expensive
>over here than the "everything costs $1" USA.

You are in Australia. This is your RSPCA. It says here they will tend to
injured or ill animals. http://www.rspca.org.au/ It says they teach people how
to properly care for animals. It costs $1 each to euthanize, more to dispose of
the body, antibiotics would be cheaper. Maybe there was more wrong with the
cats. If your RSPCA did euthanize cats that only needed basic normal care, you
should tell them that is wrong. I am emailing them right now and telling them
that what they did was wrong, if it happened. FYI I buy my antibiotics through
the mail. I even buy stuff from Canada where it's cheaper than the US.
Elvis Parsely - 16 Oct 2003 18:04 GMT
>If you think my pain at giving these kittens over to be euthanased is a
>joke, then f*ck off.
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>fair.  This wasn't fair.  I'm going to deal with it.  I'm sorry that you
>can't.

I agree with you 100 percent. Americans are too pampered and
judgmental. They have no perspective on the reality of the world.

I have seen some of the worst examples in this group.

Jade
frlpwr - 14 Oct 2003 17:30 GMT
> For them, it would be like having a perpetual cold, possibly thousands of
> dollars in vet visits over the course of their lives and of course, they
> could be potential carriers, causing a spiral of sickness among other cats
> in the shelters and in homes.

This is ridiculous.  One box of Clavamox, enough to treat four kittens
for seven days, costs around $5.00.  The only upper respiratory
infection that can last a life time and cause cats to be longterm
carriers is herpes and even this is manageable.

I can't believe any SPCA that is so cavalier about euthanizing treatable
animals can find anyone willing to foster.
Mary - 15 Oct 2003 19:04 GMT
> It turns out that my fosters had an upper respiratory infection- so, today I
> had to turn them over to the SPCA to get put down.  If treated, it could
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 10/7/2003

Nest time you do something like this, please consider not announcing
it. The only one who benefits from a confession is the confessor.
Elvis Parsely - 16 Oct 2003 18:06 GMT
>> It turns out that my fosters had an upper respiratory infection- so,
>today I
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>Nest time you do something like this, please consider not announcing
>it. The only one who benefits from a confession is the confessor.

Net time, I think certain individuals in this group might consider not
being so judgmental about other people's situations and crucify them
because of their own blind devotion to cat rescue.

Jade
Karen M. - 16 Oct 2003 23:35 GMT
> >> It turns out that my fosters had an upper respiratory infection- so,
>  today I
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>
> Jade

Whoa-ho there. Isn't that what this group is about? Rescue? Otherwise,
why post? I don't blame the poster, but I do question the RSPCA's
decision, though it's not an uncommon one. I can't pass judgement for
I don't know all the details. I adopted a kitten from one of my local
shelters, who said she would probably be killed as she had a URI and
they were crowded. I brought her home, she gave it to my male. He
developed a horrid URI, herpes strain, that put him in the hospital
for a week. Had he not died a few months later of unrelated causes, I
would probably have a still sniffly, prone to viral outbreaks, yet
mainly healthy cat on my hands. If that is what the RSPCA was afraid
of - that the kittens would continue to get sick over time - that that
might be why they decided to kill them, I don't know. But I don't
think this is a good reason for *any* shelter to kill a cat. URI's are
easy and, unless your cat decides a hospital stay would be pleasant,
affordable to treat. Just IMO.

Karen M.
Elvis Parsely - 17 Oct 2003 13:31 GMT
>> >> It turns out that my fosters had an upper respiratory infection- so,
>>  today I
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>easy and, unless your cat decides a hospital stay would be pleasant,
>affordable to treat. Just IMO.

And that's your opinion, which is fine. I'm saying opinions about what
is most humane for rescued kittens may vary in this group and I think
that, as you say, without knowing all the details or the situation
(YOu never could from what gets posted here) it is wrong to go
screeching off at someone because of a decision that they made.

Living things die (even cute living things) that's a fact of life and
we can't save every kitten. Respecting other peoples decisions and
opinions would be a lot more productive and positive.

Just *MY* opinion.

Jade

>Karen M.
 
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