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turning a male cat into a female
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No One But Me - 20 Aug 2003 00:06 GMT Blankthis morning i took my cat, Joey (3 yrs old), to the vet for urinary crystals. this is the second time in 2 months. in order to get a catheter in to drain his bladder which was completely full, they had to sedate him ... and even then it took 1 hour just to get the catheter in!
when i talked to the vet this afternoon, she said Joey was a good candidate for an operation which will relieve him of the crystals but which will turn him into a girl. said he would never again have this problem if he had that operation. i told her that i wanted to give him that operation and she said she would make arrangements for it when Joey gets better & is no longer inflamed.
has anyone ever heard of this?
barbara
Cathouse - 20 Aug 2003 01:35 GMT > Blankthis morning i took my cat, Joey (3 yrs old), to the vet for > urinary crystals. this is the second time in 2 months. in order to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > barbara It's called perineal urethrostomy. It's a little reconstruction to make the urinary opening larger. It won't actually turn him into a female.
Arjun Ray - 20 Aug 2003 02:42 GMT | Blankthis morning i took my cat, Joey (3 yrs old), to the vet for | urinary crystals. What did you expect, mutilator? Feeeding crap food was "in the contract", wasn't it?
| this is the second time in 2 months. And you think it couldn't possibly be your fault, right?
| when i talked to the vet this afternoon, she said Joey was a good | candidate for an operation which will relieve him of the crystals | but which will turn him into a girl. Vaguely, only in terms of how the urethra connects to the outside. The urethra above the penis is reconnected to a new opening just below the anus. It's called Perineal Urethrostomy:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Perineal+urethrostomy&btnG=Google+Search
There may be a period of incontinence while he learns sphincter control with new muscles.
PU is a last hope procedure for chronically blocked FLUTD cases, which is not restricted to just those prone to developing crystals.
If crystals are the problem in such a *young* cat, chances are that talking to a nutritionist would be the wisest course.
Or maybe that isn't in the contract?
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PawsForThought - 28 Aug 2003 21:21 GMT >From: Arjun Ray aray@nmds.com.invalid
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zuzu22@webtv.net - 20 Aug 2003 08:44 GMT Barbara wrote:
>when i talked to the vet this afternoon, >she said Joey was a good candidate for >an operation which will relieve him of the >crystals The operation will NOT relieve him of crystals. It will only make him less likely to block. A vet that would recommend such a drastic measure when other things have not yet been tried is an idiot and you should be looking for a new vet. This operation is a *last resort* which should be considered *only* after all other options fail. You aren't even there yet. Using a high quality canned food only diet that is supplemented with an acidifier in tablet form is a better option that doesn't involve such drastic measures.
>but which will turn him into a girl. >said he would never again have this >problem if he had that operation. That's not true. It will NOT resolve the crystal problems, and will only lessen chances of a blockage. You need to address the cause of the crystals instead of planning to have your cat cut up unnecessarily because it seems more convenient.
>i told her that i wanted to give him that >operation and she said she would make >arrangements for it when Joey gets better >& is no longer inflamed. I would never do this without first taking the time to try to resolve the cause. I hope you regain your sanity and focus on dealing with and curing the crystal issues rather than looking for a drastic quick fix.
Megan
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zuzu22@webtv.net - 20 Aug 2003 09:15 GMT I wanted to add to my previous post the fact that a cat that has had a perineal urethrostomy is highly prone to bladder infections and stones and needs regular trips to the vet for monitoring. Again, I would not recommend you do this to your cat when there are other options.
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bewtifulfreak - 20 Aug 2003 14:29 GMT > I would never do this without first taking the time to try to resolve > the cause. I hope you regain your sanity and focus on dealing with and > curing the crystal issues rather than looking for a drastic quick fix. She's already gone for the drastic quick fix of declawing, why not genital mutilation as well?
Arjun Ray - 21 Aug 2003 01:18 GMT |> I would never do this without first taking the time to try to resolve |> the cause. I hope you regain your sanity and focus on dealing with and |> curing the crystal issues rather than looking for a drastic quick fix. | | She's already gone for the drastic quick fix of declawing, why not | genital mutilation as well? Indeed. And then, when the poor boy pees on the couch because he can't help it, still needing to learn sphincter control, she'll be ready with a rolled up newspaper to smack "proper behavior" into him.
And, of course, feeding him the usual grocery store crap will make the blockages when they occur even more massive. There must be some fine print in the contract to cover that too.
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Arjun Ray - 21 Aug 2003 10:00 GMT | Barbara wrote: | [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | The operation will NOT relieve him of crystals. It will only make | him less likely to block. I just remembered that Barbara feeds her cats Purina Special Care and Purina ONE. I don't suppose Barbara had the sense to ask the vet what kind of crystals poor Joey has, but it sounds like oxalates. :-(
k - 23 Aug 2003 08:28 GMT The poster didn't "look" for a "drastic quick fix". She was merely relaying what a vet told her. Your comment about her sanity was totally uncalled for. If anyone's can be questioned, it's yours for your off-the-wall behavior.
I hope you regain your sanity and focus on dealing with and
> curing the crystal issues rather than looking for a drastic quick fix. > > Megan Arjun Ray - 23 Aug 2003 09:45 GMT In <bb86e6b5.0308222328.3578a013@posting.google.com>, OrangeFluffyCat@hotmail.com (k) proves once again that top posters either can't read or don't understand what they're following up to:
| The poster didn't "look" for a "drastic quick fix". | She was merely relaying what a vet told her. What part of the OP's message, which was quoted in Megan's followup and looked like this:
"i told her that i wanted to give him that operation and she said she would make arrangements for it when Joey gets better & is no longer inflamed."
did you fail to read and comprehend?
| Your comment about her sanity was totally uncalled for. You must be new around here. The OP has an interesting usenet posting history. Google for bpeale@lib.nmsu.edu and you may understand.
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LeeAnne - 21 Aug 2003 14:30 GMT Have you tried changing the cat's diet? Look around on the internet for info on this crystal problem and you may get some ideas of things you can add/delete from the cat's diet to help break these things up and stop them from reoccurring.
Good luck LeeAnne
> Blankthis morning i took my cat, Joey (3 yrs old), to the vet for urinary > crystals. this is the second time in 2 months. in order to get a catheter in [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > barbara Katra@centurytel.net - 23 Aug 2003 00:54 GMT > > Blankthis morning i took my cat, Joey (3 yrs old), to the vet for urinary > > crystals. this is the second time in 2 months. in order to get a catheter [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Good luck > LeeAnne Agreed... Many moons ago, I had a tomcat that had a problem with crystals... I know that Aryun already told me that watching the ash content in the food was false, but that is what the first vet we took Pharoh to told us to do... and it worked. He had one more incident of crystal blockage a few years later when we slipped up on the diet thing, but when we started watching it again, he never, ever got another crystal blockage.
That vet told us to make sure that any canned food had an ash content of less than 3%, and we used a dry food that was made for cats with FUS. That was back when we were still feeding Hills CD.
Now that I'm overhauling my nutrition program again, time will tell...
:-) Pharoh passed away in my arms about 8 years ago at age 15. He never had to have any kind of surgery to control this problem!
Please, please try diet changes before doing this.
Arjun Ray - 23 Aug 2003 02:07 GMT |> Have you tried changing the cat's diet? Look around on the internet for |> info on this crystal problem She already thinks she knows better.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a94og9$e27$1@bubba.NMSU.Edu
| I know that Aryun already told me that watching the ash content in the | food was false, That isn't what I said. I said that "low ash" and "urinary health" are marketing slogans, aimed at keeping *humans* in the cocoons of their own convenience.
The *facts* are that struvite is a magnesium compound, and magnesium is part of the "ash" (i.e. mineral) content of food. However, simply reducing magnesium intake is not a cure-all, because minerals need to be in proportion anyway for their proper absorption.
But there's more to it, much more.
First, struvite crystals form in relatively alkaline conditions only. Normally, cat urine is quite acidic - this is a natural consequence of a carnivorous regimen, meat being far more acidic in the byproducts of its digestion and metabolism than vegetation. So, you also have to look at why your cat's urine isn't acidic enough.
Second, simply acidifying food with supplements is not a general answer, and in fact a potentially very dangerous thing to do. This is because excessive acidity is *also* bad for cats. Here, the danger is (calcium) oxalate crystals. They're worse than struvites, because they can't be dissolved.
Third, cats concentrate their urine. Solutes buildup in the bladder is how crystal precipitation (like leaching or sedimentation) can start in the first place. Unfortunately, cats have a very weak instinctive drive to drink water. If they didn't, they could drink enough and flush their bladders more regularly, clearing solutes *before* they have a chance to accumulate.
So, overall, you have to look at the rate at which the body tries to rid itself of mineral solutes through the kidneys, and the rate at which the disposal occurs as a result of adequate water intake.
Feeding dry food with lots of minerals is obviously the absolute worst. Feeding canned food (which assures adequate hydration in healthy cats) is unambiguously always better than feeding dry food.
So, as long as the "ash" content isn't dangerously unhealthy, you have nothing to worry about as long as the cat pisses it out fast enough. Barring other medical conditions, this *is* a sufficient answer.
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