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Acoming an Outdoor Cat
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Iain - 07 Oct 2004 16:41 GMT I have a semi-indoor cat. I want to make her an outdoor one so I don't have to worry about her escaping through any of the many exits(patio doors, conservatory, etc). I live in a cat-friendly neighbourhood but my cat six months old has only been out on a liesh thrice a week on average for about ten minutes each time. She was off the liesh briefly during that time.
I think she has enough experience of outside to not stray, and is a really clever, neuteren, girl, but she's my first cat and I want to be sure. How can I?
~Iain
cdchap911 - 08 Oct 2004 00:12 GMT you can never be sure that a cat is not going to stray, and you can absolutely never trust that some moron in a car wont deliberatly run her down even if she's on the side of the road. my advice is to keep her inside and only outdoors on a leash when you are there. if she is left alone outdoors there is also always the chance that a roaming dog or animal will find her and she will have no protection
>I have a semi-indoor cat. I want to make her an outdoor one so I don't > have to worry about her escaping through any of the many exits(patio [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > ~Iain MaryL - 08 Oct 2004 00:55 GMT >I have a semi-indoor cat. I want to make her an outdoor one so I don't > have to worry about her escaping through any of the many exits(patio [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > ~Iain I would strongly advise that you change your current plans and work on helping your indoor/outdoor cat to become an indoor cat only (*instead* of the plan you mentioned of making her an outdoor cat). Outdoor cats are vulnerable, even in the "safest" of neighborhoods -- all it takes is one car at the wrong door or an encounter with one unfriendly dog or even coming upon some people with evil intentions. All of my cats (during my adult life, that is) have been indoor cats. One had been feral, and he adjusted to the point where eventually he did not show any interest in the outdoors. All of my cats have been healthy, happy, truly loving companions. It *is* essential for you to provide a variety of toys, scratching surfaces, and climbing areas for your indoor cat. I would strongly recommend some very sturdy scratching posts and a very good cat tree. I got mine at www.createacatdondo.com. Please reconsider your options.
MaryL
Judy - 08 Oct 2004 05:02 GMT >>I have a semi-indoor cat. I want to make her an outdoor one so I don't >> have to worry about her escaping through any of the many exits(patio [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > MaryL Just curious MaryL, what happens when it comes to yourself and your family members?
Do you keep yourself indoors with toys to protect yourself from predators, or do you venture out and just hope for the best?
sh.t happens. When it comes to cats - some people do have evil intentions, but just remember that evil intentions are not restricted to cats.
MaryL - 08 Oct 2004 10:54 GMT >>>I have a semi-indoor cat. I want to make her an outdoor one so I don't >>> have to worry about her escaping through any of the many exits(patio [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > intentions, but just remember that evil intentions are not restricted to > cats. Adult humans normally know to watch for cars. Do you know of any way to tell a cat about those dangers? And would you just turn an infant outside on his her own without anyone to to watch for dangers? Or even a small child? In other words, I think it is rather silly to even try to equate the two.
MaryL
Iain - 08 Oct 2004 08:40 GMT > >I have a semi-indoor cat. I want to make her an outdoor one so I don't > > have to worry about her escaping through any of the many exits(patio [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > sturdy scratching posts and a very good cat tree. I got mine at > www.createacatdondo.com. Please reconsider your options. Ideally she'd be an indoor cat, but I don't want to have to worry about her escaping each time I open the door(I'd rather she just loitered outside for an hour without straying so that I can retrieve her). I have four entrances downstairs(including patio doors) and many windows. What I want is something that is technically an outdoor cat but one that is scarcly outdoors(for the reasons you describe).
Yes; I provide toys, attention, a large house and lots of play for her.
~Iain
theaboo1961@webtv.net - 08 Oct 2004 04:24 GMT Hi Lain. Like all the others are saying, I agree that you should keep kitty indoors. All my cats were strictly indoors and they still are in a way I should say. It is way too dangerous to let your cat to roam Last year there was a racoon that had rabies in the yard and it approached the cathouse and continued around the yard. I followed it around or a while and called animal control. They said it definitely had drabies and had to destroy it. I am thankful my kitties where not roaming at the time. All my cats were always indoor cats. I had a situation a few years ago where I had to move in with a friend who had no room especially for 7 cats! I had to make an outdoor condo for my kitties. I bought an 8X12 shed (aluminum siding, windows, insulation. heating. etc). I attached a kennel to the shed so the cats stay enclosed at all times unless supervised. Things didn't work out so I moved out 3 years later and took the cat condo with me. I am now working at a garden center on a farm and live in the back in a schoolhouse that is now a rental for me. The cat condo is right next to me. I can see it right from the huge window in my bedroom. My cats never had it better! They have a beautiful view and I evenn planted a garden for them. I wish I can take them all inside with me but the place is just way to small. Even just for me. Please check out my cat webpage:
http://www.geocities.com/mitchumgirl4/OURCATS.html
There are pics of them when they lived in normal houses with myself and my twin sister and current ones.
:-) Jane
Iain - 08 Oct 2004 14:45 GMT > It is way too dangerous to let your cat to roam Last year there was a > racoon that had rabies in the yard and it approached the cathouse and > continued around the yard. I followed it around or a while and called > animal control. They said it definitely had drabies and had to destroy > it. I am thankful my kitties where not roaming at the time. I want my cat to be indoors nearly all of the time. My concern is that I have a very "open" house, with lots of doors opening and closing, and I don't want her to stray just because she's been out the house for half an hour before I notice. In other words, if she escapes I want it to be no big deal, even though she'll almost always be inside. I thought I could do this by taking her on a tour of the neighbourhood on a leash, but can I?
I'm guessing from what you said about the raccoons that you're North American. Here in Britain it's thought much more normal for cats to roam(and some feel guilty about keeping them indoors), and you can't walk down a village street without being greeted by one.
However, I take the threats of outdoors seriously and want to keep her indoors.
> Things didn't work out so I moved out 3 years later and took the cat > condo with me. I am now working at a garden center It's funny you should mention that; my local garden centre has a cat in it and is always sitting on atop the till, with it's tail hanging down, everytime I go there! It doesn't seem to mind the near queue of customers carrying potted plants.
> Please check out my cat webpage: > > http://www.geocities.com/mitchumgirl4/OURCATS.html > > There are pics of them when they lived in normal houses with myself and > my twin sister and current ones. They're nice pics, although the big ones seem to be missing :(
~Iain
Judy - 10 Oct 2004 04:46 GMT >> It is way too dangerous to let your cat to roam Last year there was a >> racoon that had rabies in the yard and it approached the cathouse and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I thought I could do this by taking her on a tour of the neighbourhood > on a leash, but can I? Taking my cat out on many tours of the neighbourhood on a leash worked very well.
We went around the block on the leash many times and when she turned up our walk "on her own" a few times, then I knew where she lived, so I released her. Her turning up the walkway ahead of me, on her own told me that she knew where she lived.
That was three years ago and there have been no problems.
Judy - 08 Oct 2004 04:35 GMT >I have a semi-indoor cat. I want to make her an outdoor one so I don't > have to worry about her escaping through any of the many exits(patio [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > ~Iain I live in a cat friendly neighbourhood and spayed females - both outdoor cats.
I spent a few weeks getting mey previous cat and now current cat, getting used to the great out doors.
First of all, I spent time with them outside on the leash. We'd do the walks around the block and when they turned (on their own) up our walkway - they were ready to be turned loose as they knew where they lived. Then they were released from the leash. Then I went out with them. They never travelled far.
From my experience, once spayed females know where they live they do not stray.
When my current cat is out, I check on her about every hour. When the front door opens, she either shoots in like a rocket if she wants in, or she just shows herself, if she's not ready. My previous cat was the same.
I can only suggest that when your cats are out that you check on them from time to time.
Dragon - 08 Oct 2004 16:44 GMT > I have a semi-indoor cat. I want to make her an outdoor one so I don't > have to worry about her escaping through any of the many exits(patio [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > ~Iain As others have noted, I would not advise you to make your cat an outdoor cat. Indoor cats can live to be over 20 years old. I believe the average age outdoor cats live to be is under 10.
To be frank, I don't understand why you're worried about her escaping if you're going to make her an outdoor cat! That just doesn't make any sense. If you're going to make her an outdoor cat, why are you worried if she gets out? The potential for her getting into trouble is much higher if she's out all the time than if she's just out for the afternoon...
If you're worried about her getting lost, I would advise you to get her a collar with a name tag. That way, folks who encounter her will know she's not a stray. Some well-meaning people will take a cat without a collar to the local shelter. If you make it a collar in a contrasting color to her fur, it will make her easier to describe if you ever have to go looking for her. When our indoor cat got out for three days last fall, it was *very* helpful to ask, "Have you seen a black cat with a red collar?" since there were other black cats in the area.
dragon
Tiger Girl - 08 Oct 2004 22:02 GMT >To be frank, I don't understand why you're worried about her escaping >if you're going to make her an outdoor cat! That just doesn't make >any sense. If you're going to make her an outdoor cat, why are you >worried if she gets out? The potential for her getting into trouble >is much higher if she's out all the time than if she's just out for >the afternoon... I think that "outdoor cat" must be a misnomer here. It sounds like he concerned that his indoor cat will escape and that it will not have the skills it needs in order to survive until he collects it from the out-of-doors. Hence, Judy's suggestions about taking the cat for a couple of strolls and getting it used to the neighborhood.
I think the point about the risks of outdoor cats is good, but I don't think it's as much of a problem in Britain. They don't have rabies, and they don't have nearly as many urban wild critters as we do in the states or in Australia. Dogs, yes, and those are a risk, but not coons, coyotes, venemous snakes, etc. I don't know what the density of cat-poisoning lunatics is where this guy lives.
The thing I'd have to worry about with my cat is ingestibles. He's an indoor cat, but he really like to go outside once in a while. I let him out on the patio when I'm working outside in the garden & can keep an eye on him (he doesn't understand "car" very well). He considers the Great Beyond as his personal salad bar and has a taste for blade-shaped foliage...like daylilies.
On the other hand, at the ripe and ancient age of 17 he has just, and I mean _just_ discovered that mice are edible. He's always enjoyed playing with them whenever he could find them inside, but he would just play with them until they died, and then he'd sit on them. The Tibby Trademark was a squashed kind of effect.
Now he lives with my fiance in an old house. All of a sudden last weekend, he goes off his food. I am devastated all day Sunday, thinking that This Is The Beginning of the End, when we come downstairs on Monday morning to find a shiny pink mouse skeleton with fur on only on its head, and an additional unidentifiable Mouse Part lying next to it on the floor. The cat, arthriticky and nothing but skin and bones himself, is passed out on the sofa. I was absolutely floored. No wonder he wouldn't eat. He was spoiling his appetite with MICE.
Sure enough...I take a closer look and realize that the standing about staring at furniture that I'd taken for advancing senility is actually hunting. He spends a lot of time staring at the undersides of sofas and chests of drawers, and has mastered the trick of sleeping with one eye while watching the spot where the drapes hit the floor with the other. Jeff said when he came home the other night the cat was pasted to the kitchen baseboards.
It's rather like seeing a 90-year-old man suddenly develop a taste for strippers.
>without a collar to the local shelter. If you make it a collar in a >contrasting color to her fur, it will make her easier to describe if >you ever have to go looking for her. When our indoor cat got out for >three days last fall, it was *very* helpful to ask, "Have you seen a >black cat with a red collar?" since there were other black cats in the >area. Good advice! And you can make it a fashion statement as well!
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