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Cat Forum / General Topics / July 2003You CAN declaw with Love
I declawed my cats - all four paws. They're normal as before I declawed them. At first, I was brainwashed by all those Cat Nazis and didn't declaw them until I visited my friend who's cat has been declawed all four paws and it was so sweet and gentle. So then I figured declawing isn't so bad. I'm posting this to help all those people undecided like me to have two sides to the declawing debate. What pushed me over the fence on to do it was. -It's less painful than spaying. Spaying is also altering the cat. People say it's a medical benefit but that's a crock. It helps reduce the overpopulation that's about it. -It doesn't change their personality whatsoever. The cats get over it in a few weeks and they're fine. -I think leaving them indoors all the time is unnatural, as well as spaying/neutering, giving them commercial pet food rather than mice, etc, so declawing goes along with all these unnatural things. And before all those Cat Nazis' respond: I do keep them indoors all the time, give 'em the best cat food Wellness, Innova, etc.. I have helped the cat community by giving two otherwise homeless kitties a home- saving them from the shelter. I hope they never ban declawing because it's a person's right to choose. The troll's only post with his (or her) current identity. > Path: newsdbm02.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!enews.sgi.com!news-out.superfeed.net!propagator2-maxim!news-in.superfeed.net!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail > From: homer_simpson451@hotmail.com (Homer) [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > I hope they never ban declawing because it's a person's right to > choose. and here's my second posting with this identity thank@you.all i'm no troll, i'm giving readers another take on this topic. a special thanks to SLK03. without your postings i probably wouldn't have done it. i hope my posts will also help someone else out by giving them an objective view. Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.misc Subject: Re: You CAN declaw with Love From: Joe <thank@you.all> References: <f5efe25a.0307051441.27fbaff8@posting.google.com> Organization: none Message-ID: <Xns93AFB565293BDjoeasking@204.60.203.24> User-Agent: Xnews/06.01.08b Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.65.208.168 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr10.news.prodigy.com 1057445382 ST000 67.65.208.168 (Sat, 05 Jul 2003 18:49:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 18:49:42 EDT X-UserInfo1: TSUGGXKG]JVSSRPXIBCBNWX@RJ_XPDLMN@GZ_GYO^BTBTSUBYFWEAE[YJLYPIWKHTFCMZKVMB^[Z^DOBRVVMOSPFHNSYXVDIE@X\BUC@GTSX@DL^GKFFHQCCE\G[JJBMYDYIJCZM@AY]GNGPJD]YNNW\GSX^GSCKHA[]@CCB\[@LATPD\L@J\\PF]VR[QPJN Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 22:49:42 GMT The troll's only post with his (or her) current identity. > I declawed my cats - all four paws. They're normal as before I > declawed them. At first, I was brainwashed by all those Cat Nazis and [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I hope they never ban declawing because it's a person's right to > choose. http://community-2.webtv.net/zuzu22/STOPDECLAWCOM/ Thank you....finally someone who agrees that declawing is not as horrible as some of these people exagerate it to be. I understand what the surgery entails, but one also must understand that while you can train a cat not to scratch carpet or furniture, I have yet to find a way to make the cat stop tearing my hands, arms, ankles and feet to shreds. The scratches alone wouldn't be so bad, but I am mildly allergic to cats and have low blood pressure along with other problems that cause me to take a long time to heal. When she would scratch me it would take hours for me to stop bleeding, days to get the swelling to stop and weeks for me to heal. I can already hear many people yelling, then you shouldn't have ever gotten a cat. This is true, but it's a little difficult to tell your fiance that he has to choose between his cat and his fiance. So I just take my meds that I have to take anyway to combat the rest of my allergies and love both of them. We had Kitty spayed and declawed last Thursday, brought her home Saturday and she has been wonderful. Shee doesn't have any trouble walking and doesn't fuss at all about her paws. Jolene > I declawed my cats - all four paws. They're normal as before I > declawed them. At first, I was brainwashed by all those Cat Nazis and [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I hope they never ban declawing because it's a person's right to > choose. >I declawed my cats - all four paws. if you wanted a pet without claws why didn't you buy a goldfish? > I declawed my cats - all four paws. They're normal as before I > declawed them. At first, I was brainwashed by all those Cat Nazis and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > people undecided like me to have two sides to the declawing debate. > What pushed me over the fence on to do it was. I'm so happy your cat was one of the "lucky" ones who didn't get crippled for life. http://www.stopdeclaw.com Real stories. Real cats. Real tragedies. http://declaw.lisaviolet.com/declawstory.html And when the cat begins to do other inappropriate things, I guess you'll just remove other body parts until you're happy with it. Or you'll dump it at a shelter. There's a reason it's illegal in other countries. Go out and buy a clue the next time you have money to burn. And do the animal world a favor - stop having pets. ---------------------------------------- ~kaeli~ http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace Kill one man and you are a murderer. Kill millions and you are a conqueror. Kill everyone and you are God. ---------------------------------------- > And when the cat begins to do other inappropriate things, I guess you'll > just remove other body parts until you're happy with it. Or you'll dump > it at a shelter. Nope, will never dump them at a shelter. Even if they do have litterbox problems or become biters, but so far there's none of that. I have made a commitment by adopting them, spaying them, and declawing them. > There's a reason it's illegal in other countries. Go out and buy a clue > the next time you have money to burn. And do the animal world a favor - > stop having pets. Fair enough, I promise you personally that I'll never have another pet again after these cats die naturally. You can be content knowing that this declawer won't be having anymore pets. Happy now?? Obviously, it's more important to you that cats die in shelters than *evil* people like myself give them a good home, food, and love sans claws. > Nope, will never dump them at a shelter. Even if they do have > litterbox problems or become biters, but so far there's none of that. > I have made a commitment by adopting them, spaying them, and declawing > them. > I hope so, truly. I hope you really do love them, despite your belief that cutting off the first joint on all their toes was acceptable. > > There's a reason it's illegal in other countries. Go out and buy a clue > > the next time you have money to burn. And do the animal world a favor - [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > it's more important to you that cats die in shelters than *evil* > people like myself give them a good home, food, and love sans claws. Actually, I'd be happy if the other idiots that don't spay their pets or let their animals have a litter so the kids can see nature or some such bullcrap would stop producing unwanted pets. Then, there wouldn't be all those unwanted pets in shelters to die in the first place. I would also be happy if the declawers would put a little effort into training their cats like they would training a dog. Stop declawing and love your pets for what they are - claws and all. 20 countries don't allow declawing. They don't have more pets die in shelters than the US. In fact, they have less. So lose the declaw-or-die rhetoric. The only reason cats are in shelters is because idiots let them breed and more idiots consider them disposable pets. Not because they have claws. There are thousands of cats who are already declawed in shelters. They die, too. If you want a declawed cat that badly, go adopt one. There's plenty of already mutilated cats ready to be loved and adopted. ---------------------------------------- ~kaeli~ http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace Kill one man and you are a murderer. Kill millions and you are a conqueror. Kill everyone and you are God. ---------------------------------------- homersimpson451@hotmail.com ignores my questions and writes >You can be content knowing that this declawer won't be having >anymore pets. I presume you refuse to get your head out of your arse. I asked you where you did your research on the declawing issues. No response. I invite you to have the first joints on all 10 fingers amputated and write of your experience. There's something worse than an uneducated person...that is an uneducated person who refuses to educate him/herself in any way. >I declawed my cats - all four paws. They're normal as before I >declawed them. At first, I was brainwashed by all those Cat Nazis and [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >I hope they never ban declawing because it's a person's right to >choose. Do they still love climbing their cat tree? I had a declawed cat. It could never figure out why the other cat could run up to the top of the tree but he couldn't even get up to the second level. He also couldn't jump anywhere. Poor thing. > >I declawed my cats - all four paws. They're normal as before I > >declawed them. At first, I was brainwashed by all those Cat Nazis and > >didn't declaw them until I visited my friend who's cat has been > >declawed all four paws and it was so sweet and gentle. Mt cat has claws and she is so sweet and gentle too! but also able to climb cat trees indoors, and if she did get out at least she has some form of defence! but so many things can go wrong with declawing :-( so glad its banned in the UK Madame SooZy, you are a true lady. Although I can see you hate declawers, you have written your opposing viewpoint with dignity and sense. That's one thing I'll raise my hat to Brits, their ability to express their displeasure in the most civilised manner. > Mt cat has claws and she is so sweet and gentle too! but also able to climb > cat trees indoors, and if she did get out at least she has some form of > defence! > but so many things can go wrong with declawing :-( > > so glad its banned in the UK LOL thank you most kindly sir :-)  SignatureLuv 'n stuff *~*SooZy*~* http://community.webshots.com/user/ragdollcatsuk > Madame SooZy, you are a true lady. Although I can see you hate > declawers, you have written your opposing viewpoint with dignity and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > > so glad its banned in the UK > Do they still love climbing their cat tree? I had a declawed cat. It > could never figure out why the other cat could run up to the top of > the tree but he couldn't even get up to the second level. He also > couldn't jump anywhere. Poor thing. I'm glad they can't climb that high anymore. I was always afraid they'd hurt themselves from trying to get down from so high. >> Do they still love climbing their cat tree? I had a declawed cat. It >> could never figure out why the other cat could run up to the top of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'm glad they can't climb that high anymore. I was always afraid > they'd hurt themselves from trying to get down from so high. You have the mentallity of a warped child, playing with dolls. > Path: newsdbm02.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!enews.sgi .com!newsfeed.cs.wisc.edu!news.uchicago.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1 .google.com!not-for-mail > From: homer_simpson451@hotmail.com (Homer) > Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.misc [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Message-ID: <f5efe25a.0307071709.70ce51eb@posting.google.com> > References: <f5efe25a.0307051441.27fbaff8@posting.google.com> <8trigv02e5mpef1hlhs4di0r9dc0pjt2t2@4ax.com> > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.169.233.138 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-Trace: posting.google.com 1057626599 13387 127.0.0.1 (8 Jul 2003 01:09:59 GMT) > X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com > NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 2003 01:09:59 GMT > Xref: newsmst01.news.prodigy.com rec.pets.cats.misc:78176 I would never declaw my cats now that I've learned more about it, but way back when, we had our cat declawed because that was the only way they would allow her in the apartment we were moving into, and we didn't realize at the time how harmful it was, or that it was actually amputation. I always thought she did pretty well, all considered, especially because she still scratches, which I figured helps her to keep her muscles intact. But now I read it's still not the same as the exercise gained from actually tugging with the claws during scratching. What kind of personality changes can declawing cause? She is about 17 now and living with my ex, but I was just wondering, as she was always a little aloof since having a litter of kittens (another mistake we made), and has always been a bit distant and prissy, but I wonder how much the declawing thing may have affected her. It's probably been about a decade now, give or take, and she seems to be a reasonably healthy and contented cat, but I was just wondering, as she's the only cat I ever had that's been declawed, and the only one that ever will be. Ann > I would never declaw my cats now that I've learned more about it, but way > back when, we had our cat declawed because that was the only way they would [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > healthy and contented cat, but I was just wondering, as she's the only cat I > ever had that's been declawed, and the only one that ever will be. Declawing is like russian roulette. It doesn't do permanent damage to every cat. In fact, more cats deal well with the handicap than not. It depends on the cat, its personality, the competence of the vet, and other factors. I've known declawed cats that it didn't hurt at all, relatively speaking. And I've known declawed cats that were never the same. The problem is, you never know until it's too late. And you can't take it back. As to what can it cause - nothing or everything. The cat may not be affected at all. The cat may be in pain and become defensive, biting and hiding. The cat may associate the pain of the normal scraping after using the litterbox to the box itself and avoid it. The cat may feel vulnerable and become either more reclusive or more aggressive. It really depends on the cat. The cat may be fine for months or even years until the abnormal walking pattern degenerates its joints and muscles. Cats don't like to show that they are in pain, so the effect humans see may just be a sedentary, grouchy cat. Rarely, vets do a chop job and botch the surgery, causing the nails to partially grow through the skin of the pads. This is one of the worst things that can happen and thankfully is also not that common. But it happens. You'll never know if your cat would have had the same personality or not. I have three clawed cats, one of whom is a prissy, somewhat aloof girl, the other two are affectionate cuddle monsters. ------------------------------------------------- ~kaeli~ Black holes were created when God divided by 0. Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace ------------------------------------------------- >I declawed my cats - all four paws. Soon, we all hope, such barbaric operations will be illegal in the USA - as they are in civilized countries. [snip the animal abuser's crap.] SignatureBob. Everyone is entitled to be stupid but you're abusing the privilege. Hello Everyone, #1 My views are based directly on real life experience one of my cats was declawed without my consent while being boarded at a Vets. I saw what it did to that cat. I saw the personality change and I still carry scares from his resulting personality change some 20 years ago. #2 The research I have done since then, around 20 years of it, has all been correlated and helped established my point of view on the subject. #3 Declaw is a controversial subject that basically breaks down into two opposing groups. Those that owe Cats and those who love Cats. Both sides holding firm to their point of view. The major point of difference being ownership versus love. Most owners think of a cat as their property. Which in their point of view gives them complete rights over the welfare of the cat. They feel perfectly justified to put there personal wants above those of the cats Most cat lovers on the other hand consider a cat to be a sentient being and treat them as such rather than property. They feel the cats well being far out weighs any inconvenience the cat may or may not cause. These are two fundamentally different an opposing view point that will never meet. The only hope you have of changing someone's point of view on this is by education. Declawing has been banned in over 20 countries and the city of West Hollywood, CA. Many declawed cats end up in shelters. Cats walk on their toes. List of links Why Cats Need Claws, from The Whole Cat Journal http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm CFA Health Committee - Declawing http://www.cfainc.org/health/declawing.html Declaw Information Site Index http://www.gcty.com/~luvcatz/declaw-index.html The Paw Project - entry page http://www.pawproject.com/ CatFancy Take declaw survey - http://catfancy.com/catfancy/catcensus.asp Regards, NEMESIS1IM@aol.com http://www.i-love-cats.com/meow/feralfelines/ > Hello Everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > NEMESIS1IM@aol.com > http://www.i-love-cats.com/meow/feralfelines/ Some humans mistakenly believe that we are like babies/children, they forget we are cats! we were given claws for a reason! if you hear the words declawing! rehome yourself. those so called animal lovers, think more of their furniture and carpets than our needs! they forget we could escape one day and come face to face with the local moggie who will rip our eyes out! we just have to hope we can run fast! but being we have had no practice being indoor cats, you can guess we will look a mess! Glad I don't have to pay my own vet bills!!!!! glad I still have claws! Gosh if we bite you, you're be pulling our teeth out next! let rip humans finger nails off one by one, they don't need them SignatureCats need to train humans Holy crap, they declawed your cat w/o asking you? I would have sued the sh*t out of them. LeeAnne > Hello Everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cat. I saw the personality change and I still carry scares from his resulting > personality change some 20 years ago. >Holy crap, they declawed your cat w/o asking you? I would have sued the >sh*t out of them. I was thinking the same thing, I think today I would be the proud owner of the vet clinc and have my own personal vet at my call. >LeeAnne > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >resulting >> personality change some 20 years ago. nemesis1im@aol.com says >one of my cats was >declawed >without my consent while being boarded at a Vets. I say, that's malpractice. No vet (in the USA, anyway) has the right to conduct any surgery without the owners consent! AWriteny howled at the moon, then scrawled thusly upon the aether: > nemesis1im@aol.com says > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I say, that's malpractice. No vet (in the USA, anyway) has the right > to conduct any surgery without the owners consent! ... With the exception of surgery to save the animal's life, and then only if the owner is unknown or cannot be contacted. I'd sue for malpractice, if only to save other kitties and their people from similar suffering and distress. Maeve Signaturethrow the baby out with the bathwater to reply by e-mail ~*~ http://volatiledreams.deep-ice.com ~*~ 666-A -- The Tenant of the Beast. >Declawing has been banned in over 20 countries and the city of West Hollywood, >CA. I think it is easier to list those countries that still practice this barbaric act of animal mutilation. USA. Canada. No, sorry, can't find anymore. SignatureBob. 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