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Tamara - 10 Nov 2003 21:13 GMT Thanks for your inquiry about taurine and cardiomyopathy (DCM). Taurine is essential for a healthy heart and Nutro is on the forefront of current taurine research.
The Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association (JAVMA) recently published the results of a UC Davis study begun in 1997 and completed in 2001 that was based on a twelve-dog sample over a four-year period. The study theorized that feeding certain diets may lead to low blood concentrations of taurine, which may in turn lead to DCM in some small number of dogs. Because the UC Davis study involved some Nutro products, mainly due to our enormous market share in the UC Davis marketplace, the article may convey the impression to a casual reader that feeding Nutro's lamb meal and rice products leads to taurine deficiency. This was not stated in the article and is simply not true. The UC Davis team has subsequently stated that " this is a genetic and environmental issue and we need to do more research on the effect of diet."
The report did correctly state that one of the manufacturers of the pet foods sited had subsequently added taurine to its product. That manufacturer was Nutro. Nutro's nutritionists, along with UC Davis, have conducted intensive research over the past several years on taurine metabolism in dogs. As a result, Nutro has determined the optimal amounts of dietary taurine necessary to produce blood and plasma taurine concentrations well within the levels recommended by UC Davis. Nutro's foods contain more than this amount.
The article printed in JAVMA is old news. Beginning in 2001, and continuing today, all of Nutro's Natural Choice products have been enriched with added, extra taurine to provide insurance to even the very small number of dogs that may be predisposed to DCM (less than 0.5%). As you can see by the enclosed chart, Natural Choice Lamb Meal & Rice contains more taurine than other competitive brands. In fact, as much as 180% more.
Nutro is committed to using the best ingredients to make the best pet foods. Our products are formulated based on the latest research and scientific findings regarding dog and cat nutrition. We continually enhance our foods to insure the health and well being of our consumers' pets. When we say Natural Choice is THE BEST DOG FOOD IN THE WORLD we mean it. And you can be absolutely confident that by feeding Nutro's pet foods you are providing the very best nutrition available today for your loving pet.
If you have additional questions or desire additional information please feel free to contact us at 1-800-833-5330 or at www.nutroproducts.com. Thank you again for your inquiry
Joe Canuck - 10 Nov 2003 21:31 GMT > Thanks for your inquiry about taurine and cardiomyopathy (DCM). > Taurine is essential for a healthy heart and Nutro is on the forefront > of current taurine research. <snip>
I didn't inquire, but since you seem to be a representative of Nutro given your email address perhaps you can share with us the dry matter analysis % of the following Nutro product:
"Natural Choice Complete Care Adult" (dry)
Please don't respond with a "canned" answer, thank you.
Well folks, looks like the pet food companies do pay attention. I verified the email addy, it is valid.
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Joe Canuck - 10 Nov 2003 21:36 GMT Perhaps you could also confirm, deny and elaborate on the following as well:
Does Nutro no long do feeding trials of the cat food products?
Does Nutro now formulate cat food based on least-cost methods?
Why was the proximate analysis of the Nutro foods remove from the website a while back?
These have been rumours circulating in the newsgroup for a long while now. You have the opportunity now to perhaps correct this information as you did with the JAVMA study.
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Phil P. - 10 Nov 2003 22:16 GMT > Perhaps you could also confirm, deny and elaborate on the following as well: > > Does Nutro no long do feeding trials of the cat food products? That's not a rumor, Joe. The label statement on Nutro products "....is formulated to meet the nutritional levels estab?lished by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profiles for... " means feeding trials were not used to assure nutritional adequacy (and digestibility) of the diet.
A food that bears the the label statement "Animal feeding tests using AAFCO procedures substantiate that...." .indicates that feeding trials were used.
> Does Nutro now formulate cat food based on least-cost methods? > > Why was the proximate analysis of the Nutro foods remove from the > website a while back? I think the above two are probably related. Nutro can't very well publish proximate analyses of their diets if the nutritional values of their diets vary from batch to batch. Still, I'd like to see their answer...
Phil
Joe Canuck - 11 Nov 2003 01:08 GMT >>Perhaps you could also confirm, deny and elaborate on the following as > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Phil Good points, different wording which most of us just glance over without much thought.
I'm a former Nutro customer as well, and I'm not holding my breathe for answers here but I thought I would provide the opportunity for Nutro to provide some answers for us.
I've noted with some interest the wording on a bag of California Natural Chicken & Rice the following text:
"California Naural Chicken & Rice Cat Food is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the AAFCO (American Association of Feed Control Officials) Cat Food Nutrient Profiles for all life stages."
This now tell me two things: That California Natural is not testing via a feed trial and that it meets the higher growth AAFCO standards for growth & reproduction. In other words queens & kittens. It is basically a one size fits all formulation.
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Phil P. - 10 Nov 2003 22:14 GMT > Nutro is committed to using the best ingredients How do you manage that feat using least cost formulation where the quality of ingredients fluctuates from batch to batch with ingredient prices?
> Our products are formulated based on the latest research and > scientific findings ..by other pet food manufacturers... What good is the science if you use "least cost formulation" where every new batch is a crap shoot and a mystery stew?
We continually
> enhance our foods Can't tell....you no longer publish the proximate analyses of your diets on your website...
> And you can be absolutely confident that ...Nutro isn't the same food upon which your reputation was built years ago.
Phil (former diehard Nutro customer)
Steve Crane - 12 Nov 2003 14:55 GMT "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message news:<qv-dnXbXV8pDky2iRVn-
It's interesting that Nutro mailed out a four page letter to nearly every vet in the country making similar claims as Tamarra did above. The interesting part was it was signed by a Cathy Machlik Ph.D. No veterinarian listed anywhere, and when you do a Google on Dr. Machlik you find she hasn't published anything. Research from Nutro - Sounds like a great definition of an oxymoron to me.
GAUBSTER2 - 10 Nov 2003 22:45 GMT >From: tcerven@nutroproducts.com (Tamara)
>Taurine is essential for a healthy heart and Nutro is on the forefront >of current taurine research. With all due respect here, what current research would that be? I'm not aware that Nutro conducts any research other than in-house palatability tests?
>Nutro is committed to using the best ingredients to make the best pet >foods. Shouldn't your company be more concerned w/ limiting nutrient excesses that are risk factors for many diseases in animals instead of being worried about what ingredients sound good to people?
>Our products are formulated based on the latest research and >scientific findings regarding dog and cat nutrition. Is this research conducted by your company or somebody else?
> When we say Natural Choice is THE BEST DOG FOOD IN >THE WORLD we mean it. I'm sure your company believes that, but why the high phosphorus and calcium levels in your products?
>And you can be absolutely confident that by >feeding Nutro's pet foods you are providing the very best nutrition >available today for your loving pet. I don't think so...your company is more worried about what ingredients are used instead of the nutrient levels provided by those foods.
Paulette - 11 Nov 2003 01:44 GMT Why quote a study on DOGS ,when these are cat owners on this group? Forgive my ignorance.
Joe Canuck - 11 Nov 2003 02:02 GMT > Why quote a study on DOGS ,when these are cat owners on this group? > Forgive my ignorance. Because Nutro also produces cat food. If they are not up to par in one area, then it is reasonable to expect they may not be up to par in other areas as well.
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Steve Crane - 11 Nov 2003 15:28 GMT > The article printed in JAVMA is old news. Beginning in 2001, and > continuing today, all of Nutro's Natural Choice products have been [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > & Rice contains more taurine than other competitive brands. In fact, > as much as 180% more. Perhaps you could let us know when you made the changes to Nutro Natural Choice Senior and Lite? Product still in the stores does not yet show the addition of taurine to the ingredient label, yet your web site shows taurine added. Is this a fairly recent change to these two products?
KellyH - 12 Nov 2003 22:58 GMT > Perhaps you could let us know when you made the changes to Nutro > Natural Choice Senior and Lite? Product still in the stores does not > yet show the addition of taurine to the ingredient label, yet your web > site shows taurine added. Is this a fairly recent change to these two > products? Oh great.. now Nutro's a bad cat food. I have been feeding my cats Nutro Natural Choice Lite for the past several months, and all has appeared to be well. No funky stools, Bartleby hasn't had any UTI's, all the cats like it. How does this new formula of Nutro affect urinary tract health? That is one of my main concerns. I need a cat food that will promote good urinary tract health, preferably a light formula, two of my cats need to to lose weight, and also promote good dental health. I thought I had found that with the Natural Choice Lite. I'm not adverse to mixing two foods together, as long as they don't counteract each other. I also feed one small can of Wellness a day, split between 5 cats, as a treat, and also to give Bartleby more moisture in his diet.
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GAUBSTER2 - 13 Nov 2003 15:18 GMT >From: "KellyH" Kelly@whatever.com
>Oh great.. now Nutro's a bad cat food.
> I need a cat food that will promote good urinary tract >health, preferably a light formula, two of my cats need to to lose weight, >and also promote good dental health. I thought I had found that with the >Natural Choice Lite. Kelly, a couple of things....what is the kcal of Nutro "lite"? Does it say anywhere on the bag? A true LIGHT cat food should have less than 3,250 kcal in order to be called a LIGHT food. It used to be that foods would call themselves "lite" or something else when they didn't meet the LIGHT standards. As for dental health, the only foods that will really positively impact dental health are foods that carry the VOHC seal. Hill's makes 2 diets that meet this standard (a prescription diet and Science Diet Oral Care). As for urinary tract health, it used to be that the Nutro products acidified a cat's urinary pH output to the point where it was possible to drop below the 6.2-6.4 range which is considered "normal" in a healthy cat. Just some points to consider.
Steve G - 13 Nov 2003 23:57 GMT (...)
> Kelly, a couple of things....what is the kcal of Nutro "lite"? Does it say > anywhere on the bag? A true LIGHT cat food should have less than 3,250 kcal > in order to be called a LIGHT food. 3,250kcal per .... ?
> As for dental health, the only foods that will really positively impact > dental health are foods that carry the VOHC seal. Not quite. Foods that carry the VOHC seal have been shown to have a positive impact on dental health. Foods that do not carry this seal could be useful for dental health, but they have not submitted to the VOHC protocols. An example of this is the Iams Dental Diet products (all Iams dry foods AFAIK). These foods claim a reduction in the rate of tartar buildup of up to 40%. However, these foods are not yet VOHC approved, although perhaps they will be in the future.
> Hill's makes 2 diets that meet this > standard (a prescription diet and Science Diet Oral Care). t/d is the Hills prescription product, and it is somewhat low in calorie density. This may be of interest.
Another VOHC approved food is the Friskies Dental Diet. It also seems that Iams dry would fit the bill for dental health stuff, even though it has not yet passed VOHC protocols.
Steve.
GAUBSTER2 - 14 Nov 2003 02:27 GMT >> Kelly, a couple of things....what is the kcal of Nutro "lite"? Does it say >> anywhere on the bag? A true LIGHT cat food should have less than 3,250 >kcal >> in order to be called a LIGHT food. > >3,250kcal per .... ? 3250 kcal per kilo of food fed.
>> As for dental health, the only foods that will really positively impact >> dental health are foods that carry the VOHC seal. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >(all Iams dry foods AFAIK). These foods claim a reduction in the rate >of tartar buildup of up to 40%. Studies comparing Eukanuba (an IAMS product) to Dog Chow for tartar reduction saw Dog Chow beat Eukanuba!! I don't remember the %s. So, Eukanuba is LESS efficaious for dental health than Dog Chow is. I highly doubt that any of the IAMS products will pass the stringent critieria that comes w/ VOHC testing, but we'll have to see. Perhaps Steve Crane knows more about this?
>Another VOHC approved food is the Friskies Dental Diet. Yes, that is correct but I think the Friskies products are all very high in salt and phosphorus.
>It also seems >that Iams dry would fit the bill for dental health stuff, even though >it has not yet passed VOHC protocols. Well, until it does, it really can't be recommended for "dental health", now can it?
KellyH - 14 Nov 2003 13:13 GMT > >> Kelly, a couple of things....what is the kcal of Nutro "lite"? Does it say > >> anywhere on the bag? A true LIGHT cat food should have less than 3,250 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > 3250 kcal per kilo of food fed. I looked all over the bag and can't find any kcal info. I have to correct myself. It's not "lite" it's "Weight Management", which claims to be "30% less fat than our regular formula". Here's the nutritional info from Nutro's website: http://www.nutroproducts.com/nccatweight.asp
I was mixing in the Science Diet Oral Care, but then someone told me I was counter-acting the weight management qualities of the Nutro, although the ratio of the mix was like 1:4.
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GAUBSTER2 - 14 Nov 2003 15:38 GMT >I looked all over the bag and can't find any kcal info. I have to correct >myself. It's not "lite" it's "Weight Management", which claims to be "30% >less fat than our regular formula".
>I was mixing in the Science Diet Oral Care, but then someone told me I was >counter-acting the weight management qualities of the Nutro, although the >ratio of the mix was like 1:4. It may very well contain "30% less fat than the regular formula", but that still doesn't neccessarily make it a "light" food. I would wager that the Nutro doesn't have much in the way of "weight management qualities". Has your cat lost any weight? Foods that don't meet the "light" requirements usually call themselves something different that *implies* weight loss. If your cat doesn't seem to be achieving any meaningful weight loss, then try Science Diet Light or you could always go w/ a Prescription Diet weight loss food.
KellyH - 14 Nov 2003 20:45 GMT > It may very well contain "30% less fat than the regular formula", but that > still doesn't neccessarily make it a "light" food. I would wager that the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > doesn't seem to be achieving any meaningful weight loss, then try Science Diet > Light or you could always go w/ a Prescription Diet weight loss food. My 2 overweight cats have certainly NOT lost any weight. It's not for lack of activity, either. I have 5 cats, and they all keep each other pretty active. They have lots of toys, and I play laser pointer with them a lot. They were on Hill's w/d for a while. I wanted to move them to a food I could buy at a regular store, plus I want to find a good, natural ingredients pet food. Back to the drawing board! I was just looking at the nutritional info for Wellness Lite cat food, and it has 3,547 Kcal/kg. Close!
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Karen M. - 14 Nov 2003 23:24 GMT >>It may very well contain "30% less fat than the regular formula", but that >>still doesn't neccessarily make it a "light" food. I would wager that the [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > nutritional info for Wellness Lite cat food, and it has 3,547 Kcal/kg. > Close! Kelly, personally my cats have done great on Wellness and they love to eat it too! :)I've never tried the lighter variety, as Audrey was losing a *teeny* bit of weight on the regular (she also got a little more active since I moved into my house). Let me know if you try the lighter variety and how your kitty does. Then I'll have to build my other two a special area that Audrey can't get into for their regular food! :)
K
Yngver - 14 Nov 2003 16:01 GMT >I was mixing in the Science Diet Oral Care, but then someone told me I was >counter-acting the weight management qualities of the Nutro, although the >ratio of the mix was like 1:4. I believe that although it's not labeled as such, the SD Oral Care does help with weight management. At least it has helped one of our cats who was formerly pudgy. Although there are a number of other reasons for her weight loss (she weighed 14 lbs. in Feb. and is now down to 12 lbs 9 oz) she has been eating the Oral Care during this time.
Karen M. - 14 Nov 2003 18:16 GMT >>>>Kelly, a couple of things....what is the kcal of Nutro "lite"? Does it > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > counter-acting the weight management qualities of the Nutro, although the > ratio of the mix was like 1:4. Is your kitty not losing weight on it? You may want to try a wet light food, if you cat will eat wet food, that is. :) I tried a few different kinds of light food with my Audrey, nothing worked that well. Her problem isn't overeating, it's lack of activity.... ;) So if you find something that works, post it - many of us would love to know!
K
Steve G - 14 Nov 2003 16:14 GMT (...)
> Studies comparing Eukanuba (an IAMS product) to Dog Chow for tartar reduction > saw Dog Chow beat Eukanuba!! I can only comment on the literature I have seen for the Iams Daily Dental Care (or whatever it's called) in particular. I have not yet seen any bumph about Eukanuba products. Eukanuba <> Iams, although they are owned by the same company.
> I don't remember the %s. But do you remember the cite ...?
> IAMS products will pass the stringent critieria that comes w/ VOHC testing, > but we'll have to see. Perhaps Steve Crane knows more about this? Consulting the VOHC web site (http://www.vohc.org) we see that to be approved, the diet must show a 10% reduction in plaque and/or tartar buildup when compared with appropriate controls, over a minimum test period. This difference must also be statistically significant. Note also that the assessment of buildup is subjective.
Given that the Iams blurb claims a 40% reduction, it seems quite possible that they could meet the above requirements. If I were a betting man, I would bet that Iams will submit data to get the VOHC seal. But I'm not. So there.
> >It also seems > >that Iams dry would fit the bill for dental health stuff, even though > >it has not yet passed VOHC protocols. > > Well, until it does, it really can't be recommended for "dental health", now > can it? That depends on whether you believe the 40% figure quoted in the Iams literature. I suppose they could be lying, eh...? Maybe it's all a conspiracy...
Steve.
Steve Crane - 14 Nov 2003 17:06 GMT > > As for dental health, the only foods that will really positively impact > > dental health are foods that carry the VOHC seal. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > of tartar buildup of up to 40%. However, these foods are not yet VOHC > approved, although perhaps they will be in the future. Iams has successfully passed VOHC for TARTAR ONLY for two foods only.
http://www.vohc.org/ click on "currently accepted products" for a complete list.
It is important to understand that tartar, while the most visible part of oral care, is not nearly as imortant as plaque. Tartar had little negative impact on the health of the animals gigival tissue, plaque which eventually becomes tartar, is much more impactful on overall health. Beyond the plaque and tartar claims will be claims regarding gingivitis which would be the most important of any dental claims. Prescription Diet Canine and Feline t/d both carry claims to reduce gingivitis. Currently VOHC has no program in place to award approval for gingivitis claims.
Steve G - 15 Nov 2003 21:02 GMT (...)
> Iams has successfully passed VOHC for TARTAR ONLY for two foods only. Two dog foods.
> It is important to understand that tartar, while the most visible part > of oral care, is not nearly as imortant as plaque. Tartar had Had?
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> health. Beyond the plaque and tartar claims will be claims regarding > gingivitis which would be the most important of any dental claims. > Prescription Diet Canine and Feline t/d both carry claims to reduce > gingivitis. Currently VOHC has no program in place to award approval > for gingivitis claims. What is the basis of the t/d gingivitis claim (i.e., do you have any cites regarding the testing of t/d)? I also wonder, in passing, why t/d is a prescription diet.
Must admit, what I'm most interested in regarding 'dental diets' is how *little* one can feed, and still gain worthwhile benefits. Clearly all such diets are tested when they are fed as the exclusive diet.
Another passing comment: Steve, I hope you got the Nutro rep's permission before reproducing a personal email on a public newsgroup...! Naughty, naughty?
Steve.
Steve Crane - 16 Nov 2003 02:31 GMT > (...) > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Had? should of been has
> (...) > > health. Beyond the plaque and tartar claims will be claims regarding [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > cites regarding the testing of t/d)? I also wonder, in passing, why > t/d is a prescription diet. Studies conducted by Dr. Ellen Logan provided the basis for the gingivitis claims. t/d is a Prescription Diet primarily because of a single issue. It is supposed to be used POST dental cleaning because if the tooth is already loose in the mouth, t/d has enough "grabbing power" that it will remove very loose teeth. I would expect that most pet owners would be a bit upset to find Fluffy's teeth on the kitchen floor. :-(
> Must admit, what I'm most interested in regarding 'dental diets' is > how *little* one can feed, and still gain worthwhile benefits. Clearly > all such diets are tested when they are fed as the exclusive diet. It's a direct linear line. 100% diet = 100% efficacy, 50%=50%, 10%=10% You would have to define what a "worthwhile benefit" is I think. 10%, 50%, etc.
Cheryl - 16 Nov 2003 02:37 GMT t/d is a Prescription Diet primarily because of a
> single issue. It is supposed to be used POST dental cleaning because > if the tooth is already loose in the mouth, t/d has enough "grabbing > power" that it will remove very loose teeth. So in conclusion, t/d should only be prescribed if a cat has loose teeth post-dental.
Steve Crane - 17 Nov 2003 02:45 GMT > t/d is a Prescription Diet primarily because of a > > single issue. It is supposed to be used POST dental cleaning because [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So in conclusion, t/d should only be prescribed if a cat has loose > teeth post-dental. It should be prescribed by the veterinarian who has made the judgment based upon what s/he knows of the animal.
Steve G - 17 Nov 2003 15:56 GMT (...)
> > What is the basis of the t/d gingivitis claim? (...) > > Studies conducted by Dr. Ellen Logan provided the basis for the > gingivitis claims. Would you happen to have a cite for this? Ta.
> t/d is a Prescription Diet primarily because of a > single issue. It is supposed to be used POST dental cleaning because > if the tooth is already loose in the mouth, t/d has enough "grabbing > power" that it will remove very loose teeth. I would expect that most > pet owners would be a bit upset to find Fluffy's teeth on the kitchen > floor. :-( Interesting, thanks. (I will mention, in passing, that at least some vets are not checking the gnashers before allowing t/d to be used. Mind you, if some teeth are loose, wouldn't they need to be removed anyway? Feed t/d, cheap home dentistry, ha ha).
> > Must admit, what I'm most interested in regarding 'dental diets' is > > how *little* one can feed, and still gain worthwhile benefits. > > It's a direct linear line. Ta. A bit counterintuitive, that, mind.
> 100% diet = 100% efficacy, 50%=50%, 10%=10% > You would have to define what a "worthwhile benefit" is I think. 10%, > 50%, etc. Thanks for the info. 'Worthwhile benefit' .. hm, yes .. I suppose one could argue that any benefit is worthwhile, but I guess it's a fairly arbitrary decision.
Steve.
Steve Crane - 18 Nov 2003 14:23 GMT > (...) > > > What is the basis of the t/d gingivitis claim? (...) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Would you happen to have a cite for this? Ta. Finney O, Logan EI, Simone AJ, et al. Effects of diet on existing plaque, calculus and gingivitis in dogs. Proceedings. 10th Annual Veterinary Dental Forum, Houston, TX, 1996: 143-146. Synopsis: The principal objective of this study was to investigate effects of a dental food (Canine t/d®) on gingivitis and supragingival plaque and calculus in dogs having not had previous oral care. Additionally, if the food could be shown to affect existing dental substrates and gingivitis, how quickly would such changes occur? Thirty-six beagle dogs were used in this study. None of the animals had had any previous oral care, nor had any been used in previous dental studies. Baseline scores for gingival inflammation and supragingival accumulations of plaque and calculus were obtained on Day 0. The baseline calculus scores were used to block the animals into feeding groups of five dogs. None of the feeding groups had significantly different mean calculus scores. The control group was fed Purina® Dog Chow® and the treatment group was fed Canine t/d®. Dogs were examined at weeks 2, 3, 6, 8, 12 and 16. Results were generally consistent with those previously obtained when the same products were studied in a "clean-tooth" model. For every index measured, dogs fed Canine t/d® achieved significantly improved scores compared to the group fed the control diet. The control group showed a significant increase in plaque and calculus accumulation over the 16-week period and no significant change in gingival inflammation. Conversely, the test group fed Canine t/d® showed significant decreases in gingival inflammation and in supragingival plaque and calculus accumulations. The most surprising aspect of these results was that significant changes were seen within two weeks when using Canine t/d®. Clinical Relevance: For young, adult dogs having no previous dental care, it is possible within a matter of weeks to reduce by dietary means alone significant amounts of plaque and calculus accumulation and improve gingival inflammation.
Finney O, Logan EI, Simone AJ, et al. The influence of diet on supragingival plaque and calculus in mongrel dogs. Proceedings. Fourth World Veterinary Dental Congress, Vancouver, BC, Canada, 1995: 105-107. Synopsis: This study measured the relative accumulation of supragingival plaque and calculus in dogs over a six-month period. The animal panel was comprised of 19 beagle and 21 mongrel dogs. Dogs were scored for supragingival plaque and calculus accumulation on days 7, 21, 56, 84, 112, 140 and 168 after initial dental prophylaxis. During this evaluation period, dogs were fed either a test (Canine t/d®) or control (Purina® Dog Chow®) food. For both treatment and control groups, plaque results obtained after one week and calculus results obtained after three weeks were predictive of accumulation amounts expected after 6 months. The test food resulted in significantly less accumulation of plaque and calculus than the control diet at all evaluation periods. Relationships between treatment groups evident from the first evaluation continued throughout the entire study.
Finney O. Dental research and product development: A project manager's perspective. Proceedings. Conference on Companion Animal Oral Health, University of Kansas, Lawrence, KS, 1996: 17-22. Synopsis: Results were summarized from a number of studies associated with development of Canine t/d®. These included results from: 1) dental substrate accumulation in dogs fed Canine t/d® versus dry or canned commercial foods, 2) dental substrate accumulation in dogs fed Canine t/d® versus dry or canned commercial foods plus treats, 3) dental substrate accumulation in dogs fed Canine t/d® versus dry or canned commercial foods plus toothbrushing, 4) dental substrate accumulation over a six month period in dogs fed Canine t/d® versus competitive products, 5) reduction in plaque accumulation and gingival inflammation in dogs fed Canine t/d® versus a grocery brand dry dog food, and 6) reduction in dental substrates in dogs with "dirty teeth" fed Canine t/d®. Results were given for over 20 studies involving over 1,000 dogs. All studies confirm that Canine t/d® is effective in reducing gingivitis and dental plaque, stain and tartar.
Jensen L, Logan E, Finney O, et al. Reduction in accumulation of plaque, stain and calculus in dogs by dietary means. J Vet Dent 1995; 12: 161-163. Synopsis: This paper summarizes the results of 215 evaluations for plaque, stain and calculus in 120 dogs at two research sites. Dogs were balanced in groups of five according to baseline plaque index scores; groups were randomly assigned to treatment (Canine t/d®) or control (Purina® Dog Chow®) dietary regimens. No other food, treats, or snacks were given to either group. Dental cleanings were done on Day 0. Investigators graded 22 teeth for plaque accumulation on Day 7 and for stain and calculus accumulation on Day 21. Six trials were conducted and the results reported as a combined mean for all treatment and control groups. Dogs fed Canine t/d® had significantly less plaque (19% less), stain (44% less) and calculus (32% less) accumulation than dogs fed the control food.
Logan EI, Finney O, Irvine G, et al. Dietary influences on gingivitis in the dog. Proceedings. Fourth World Veterinary Congress, Vancouver, BC, Canada, 1995: 101-102. Synopsis: The objective of this study was to investigate effects of a dental food (Canine t/d®) on gingival health in dogs. The study panel included 40 healthy adult dogs. The gingival health of the dogs was optimized using a combination of mechanical and chemical cleansing procedures. When the dogs reached optimal gingival health the experimental study was initiated. Each dog received a randomly assigned food; either the test food (Canine t/d®) or a control food (Purina Dog Chow®). Each dog was assessed for plaque accumulation and gingival disease at days 14, 28 and 42 following starting the appropriate food. The test food resulted in 37% and 33% (days 28 & 42) reduction in plaque and 37% and 44% (days 28 & 42) reduction in gingivitis when compared to the control food.
Logan EI, Finney O, Lowry SR, et al. Dietary cleansing in dogs: The effects of kibble size and body weight. Proceedings. 10th Annual Veterinary Dental Forum, Houston, TX, 1996: 138-142. Synopsis: Numerous studies have been reported documenting the efficacy of Canine t/d® in significantly reducing plaque and calculus accumulation and gingival inflammation in dogs. This paper compared results of several studies investigating effects of kibble size on plaque and calculus accumulation in dogs of varying body weights. Studies involved separate dental panels including: panel 1: 80 beagle dogs (body weight range 10-20 kg); panel 2: 21 mongrel dogs and 19 beagle dogs (12-35 kg); and panel 3: 40 small breed dogs (1-9 kg). The studies were each done using a 3-week clean-tooth model and evaluating each dog individually for plaque and calculus accumulation at 7 and 21 days post-prophylaxis, respectively. Both the standard large kibble and a small kibble size of Canine t/d® were used in the studies. Results were as follows. Canine t/d® significantly reduced plaque and calculus accumulation in dogs compared with a typical dry dog food (Purina® Dog Chow®). The larger dental kibble provided superior dental efficacy compared to the smaller dental kibble in dogs weighing greater than 10 kg. The smaller dental kibble provided comparable dental efficacy to the larger dental kibble in dogs weighing less than 10 kg.
Logan EI, Finney O. Mechanical plaque control in the dog: A comparison of toothbrushing and dietary cleansing. Proceedings. Fourth World Veterinary Dental Congress, Vancouver, BC, Canada, 1995: 98-100. Synopsis: A population of 80 beagle and 39 toy breed dogs were utilized to investigate the effect of Canine t/d® versus commercially available maintenance foods plus weekly toothbrushing on the accumulation of plaque and calculus. All dogs received a dental prophylaxis and the appropriate treatment regimens were begun. Each dog was sequentially scored for plaque (7 days post-prophylaxis) and calculus (21 days post-prophylaxis). Results indicated that feeding Canine t/d® was as effective as feeding Purina® Dog Chow® plus once weekly toothbrushing in reducing accumulation of plaque and calculus in beagle and toy breed dogs. Feeding Canine t/d® was superior to feeding a canned diet (Pedigree® PAL®) plus once weekly toothbrushing in reducing accumulation of plaque and calculus in dogs.
Logan EI. Oral cleansing by dietary means: Results of six-month studies. Proceedings. Conference on Companion Animal Oral Health, University of Kansas, Lawrence, KS, 1996: 11-15. Synopsis: The objectives of the two studies reported here were to demonstrate that: 1) significant differences between treatment groups detected in a short-term model remained significant and relevant over a longer duration, and 2) significant differences in plaque accumulation between treatment groups were relevant to gingival health. Both studies used a 40-dog panel comprised of male and female mongrel dogs. In Study One, all dogs received a dental prophylaxis on day 0 and then were randomly assigned either a control food (Purina® Dog Chow®) or a dental food (Canine t/d®). Dogs were scored for plaque accumulation on day 7, calculus accumulation on day 21, and plaque and calculus accumulations were evaluated at days 56, 84, 112, 140 and 168. In Study Two, gingival health of the dogs was optimized using a combination of mechanical and chemical cleansing procedures. When the dogs reached optimal gingival health the experimental study was initiated. Each dog received a randomly assigned food; either the dental food (Canine t/d®) or a control food (Purina® Dog Chow®). Each dog was assessed for plaque accumulation and gingival disease at days 14, 28, 42, 56, 77, 105, 140 and 175. Results showed that dogs consuming the dental food had significantly less plaque and calculus accumulation than dogs consuming the control food (Study 1). Dogs consuming the dental food also had significantly less plaque accumulation and gingival inflammation than dogs consuming the co trol food (Study 2).
Finney O. Dental research and product development: A project manager's perspective. Proceedings. Conference on Companion Animal Oral Health, University of Kansas, Lawrence, KS, 1996: 17-22. Synopsis: Results were summarized from a number of studies associated with development of Canine t/d®. These included results from: 1) dental substrate accumulation in dogs fed Canine t/d® versus dry or canned commercial foods, 2) dental substrate accumulation in dogs fed Canine t/d® versus dry or canned commercial foods plus treats, 3) dental substrate accumulation in dogs fed Canine t/d® versus dry or canned commercial foods plus toothbrushing, 4) dental substrate accumulation over a six month period in dogs fed Canine t/d® versus competitive products, 5) reduction in plaque accumulation and gingival inflammation in dogs fed Canine t/d® versus a grocery brand dry dog food, and 6) reduction in dental substrates in dogs with "dirty teeth" fed Canine t/d®. Results were given for over 20 studies involving over 1,000 dogs. All studies confirm that Canine t/d® is effective in reducing gingivitis and dental plaque, stain and tartar.
Logan EI, Finney O, Lowry SR, et al. Dietary cleansing in dogs: The effects of kibble size and body weight. Proceedings. 10th Annual Veterinary Dental Forum, Houston, TX, 1996: 138-142. Synopsis: Numerous studies have been reported documenting the efficacy of Canine t/d® in significantly reducing plaque and calculus accumulation and gingival inflammation in dogs. This paper compared results of several studies investigating effects of kibble size on plaque and calculus accumulation in dogs of varying body weights. Studies involved separate dental panels including: panel 1: 80 beagle dogs (body weight range 10-20 kg); panel 2: 21 mongrel dogs and 19 beagle dogs (12-35 kg); and panel 3: 40 small breed dogs (1-9 kg). The studies were each done using a 3-week clean-tooth model and evaluating each dog individually for plaque and calculus accumulation at 7 and 21 days post-prophylaxis, respectively. Both the standard large kibble and a small kibble size of Canine t/d® were used in the studies. Results were as follows. Canine t/d® significantly reduced plaque and calculus accumulation in dogs compared with a typical dry dog food (Purina® Dog Chow®). The larger dental kibble provided superior dental efficacy compared to the smaller dental kibble in dogs weighing greater than 10 kg. The smaller dental kibble provided comparable dental efficacy to the larger dental kibble in dogs weighing less than 10 kg.
Logan EI, Berg ML, Coffman L, et al. Dietary control of feline gingivitis: results of a six month study (abstract). Proceedings. 13th Annual Veterinary Dental Forum, Baltimore, MD, 1999. Synopsis: This study compared the effects of a dental food to a typical dry food on dental substrate accumulation and gingival inflammation over a six month time frame. Twenty-six adult cats were placed into two groups balanced on previous dental plaque formation. The control group was fed Purina® Cat Chow® and the test group was fed Feline t/d®. On Day 0, each cat was anesthetized and received a dental prophylaxis. Beginning on Day 1, each cat received its assigned dietary regimen for the remainder of the study. Scores for plaque and calculus accumulation, and gingival inflammation were obtained on days 14, 28, 49, 84, 126 and 168. At 24 weeks (day 168) the test group had 48% less plaque accumulation, 64% less calculus accumulation and 27% less gingival inflammation than the control group.
Logan EI, Boyce EN, Berg BS, et al. Effects of dietary form on plaque and calculus accumulation and gingival health in cats: Methodology and results. Proceedings. Fifth World Veterinary Dental Congress, Birmingham, England, 1997: 28-32. Synopsis: Five different studies were reported to demonstrate affects of different foods (commercial cat foods and treats) on dental plaque and calculus accumulation. In Study 1, three different specialty brand dry cat foods were compared; there was no significant difference in plaque and calculus accumulation. In Study 2, a moist feline specialty food was compared to the same moist food plus a dental treat and to a dry feline specialty brand food; there was no improvement in plaque and calculus accumulation with the dental treat added to the moist cat food. In Study 3, a moist grocery brand cat food was compared to a dry grocery brand cat food and a feline dental food (Feline t/d®); plaque and calculus accumulation was greatest in cats eating the moist food and lowest in cat eating the dental food. In Study 4, a dry feline grocery brand food was compared to the same dry food plus a dental treat and to a feline dental food; there was no improvement in plaque and calculus accumulation with the dental treat added to the dry cat food, but consumption of the dental food resulted in significantly less plaque and calculus accumulation. In Study 5, a dry grocery brand cat food was compared to a feline dental food; the dental food resulted in significantly less plaque and calculus accumulation.
Logan EI, Proctor V, Berg ML, et al. Dietary effect on tooth surface debris and gingival health in cats. Proceedings. Veterinary Dental Forum, 2001. Synopsis: Thirty adult cats in good oral and systemic health were placed into two groups balanced on previous plaque formation. On Day 0, each cat was anesthetized and received a dental prophylaxis including scaling and polishing. Cats were then fed either Purina® Cat Chow® or new, improved Feline t/d for 24 weeks. Evaluation at 24 weeks showed that cats fed Feline t/d® had 58% less plaque accumulation, 64% less calculus accumulation, 74% less stain accumulation and 48% less gingival inflammation. Following week 24 evaluations, the two dietary groups were switched so that all cats previously receiving Purina® Cat Chow® were subsequently fed Feline t/d for 2 months and vice versa. Cats with "dirty" teeth fed Feline t/d® demonstrated a 51% decrease in plaque, a 55% decrease in calculus, a 64% decrease in stain and a 29% decrease in gingivitis from weeks 24 to 32, while cats fed Purina® Cat Chow® demonstrated a significant increase in plaque, calculus, stain and gingivitis during the same 8 weeks. Cats fed new, improved Feline t/d® had significantly less plaque, calculus and stain accumulation and gingival inflammation than cats fed a typical dry cat food in a 6 month clean tooth and in a 2 month dirty tooth model. Additionally, cats with 6 months worth of dental substrate accumulation demonstrated increase in tooth surface debris and a significant increase in gingivitis over a 2 month period when fed a typical dry cat food while cats fed a dental food demonstrated a significant decrease in both tooth surface debris and gingivitis.
Logan EI. Oral cleansing by dietary means: Feline methodology and study results. Proceedings. Conference on Companion Animal Oral Health, University of Kansas, Lawrence, KS, 1996: 31-34. Synopsis: The objectives of these studies were to refine methodologies used in measuring accumulation of plaque and calculus in cats and demonstrate dietary effects on plaque and calculus accumulation in cats. The study population included healthy adult male and female cats weighing 3 to 6 kg. Following a dental prophylaxis, cats were fed the test diets for four weeks and teeth were evaluated for plaque and calculus accumulation. Four different studies were performed. Study One compared three foods: a canned specialty brand cat food (Science Diet® Feline Maintenance®), the same canned food plus a dental treat (Pounce® Tartar Control Treats), and a dry specialty brand cat food (Science Diet® Feline Maintenance®). Study Two compared three specialty brand dry cat foods (Science Diet® Feline Maintenance®, Iams® Cat Food, and Purina® Pro-Plan® Adult Cat formula). Study Three compared a dry specialty brand cat food (Science Diet® Feline Maintenance®) to a feline dental diet (Prescription Diet® Feline t/d®). Study Four compared a dry grocery brand cat food (Purina® Cat Chow®) to a feline dental diet (Feline t/d®). In Study One, consumption of the dry cat food resulted in significantly less plaque and calculus accumulation compared to the canned cat food or the canned cat food plus a dental treat. In Study Two, there was no significant difference between the different dry specialty cat foods with respect to plaque and calculus accumulation. In Study Three, there was significant reduction in accumulation of plaque and calculus in cats consuming the dental diet versus the dry specialty brand cat food. And in Study Four, there was significant reduction in accumulation of plaque and calculus in cats consuming the dental diet versus the dry grocery brand cat food.
Logan EI. Reduction in accumulation of supragingival plaque in cats: Prescription Diet Feline t/d vs. Purina Cat Chow. Veterinary Oral Health Council application, May 1, 1998. Synopsis: Two studies were performed using 29 and 30 adult cats. The cats in each study were placed into two groups balanced on previous plaque formation. The control groups were fed a dry grocery brand cat food (Purina® Cat Chow®) and test groups were fed Feline t/d®. On Day 0 of each study, each cat was anesthetized and received a dental prophylaxis. Beginning on Day 1, each cat received its dietary regimen for the remainder of the study. Plaque scores were obtained on day 28 of each study. Cats eating Feline t/d® had 41% and 35% reduction in plaque scores compared with those eating the control food. Clinical Relevance: Feline t/d® significantly reduces accumulation of dental plaque compared to Purina® Cat Chow®. Feline t/d® has been accepted by the Veterinary Oral Health Council (VOHC) for helping control dental plaque in cats. This was the first feline product to receive the VOHC seal.
Logan EI. Reduction in accumulation of supragingival calculus in cats: Prescription Diet Feline t/d vs. Purina Cat Chow. Veterinary Oral Health Council application, May 1, 1998. Synopsis: Two studies were performed using 29 and 30 adult cats. The cats in each study were placed into two groups balanced on previous plaque formation. The control groups were fed a dry grocery brand cat food (Purina® Cat Chow®) and test groups were fed Feline t/d®. On Day 0 of each study, each cat was anesthetized and received a dental prophylaxis. Beginning on Day 1, each cat received its dietary regimen for the remainder of the study. Calculus scores were obtained on day 28 of each study. Cats eating Feline t/d® had 48% and 33% reduction in calculus scores compared with those eating the control food.
Steve G - 19 Nov 2003 00:57 GMT (...)
> > Would you happen to have a cite for this? Ta. Taverymuch.
Mind you, dunno what was with all those d-animal cites.
Also, 'twould seem that the cites are mostly conference proceedings and thus somewhat difficult to get hold of (and probably only sketchily refereed).
Still, never look a gift cat in the gob, as I might say if I was feeling ambitious.
Steve.
Steve Crane - 15 Nov 2003 13:46 GMT > > The article printed in JAVMA is old news. Beginning in 2001, and > > continuing today, all of Nutro's Natural Choice products have been [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > site shows taurine added. Is this a fairly recent change to these two > products? As everyone noted we didn't get a response to the NG for the above question. Tamara was kind enough to respond to a personal email I sent her. It was interesting to note that in the email Nutro admits that they only recently bothered to add taurine to 2 of the 3 products that were named in the article. In other words even though they knew they had a problem at least as far back as 2000, they didn't do anything about it until late this summer, just before the publication of the article hit the press. It would be my opinion that they knew about this as far back as 1999 and waited two years to add taurine to the Nutro Natural Choice product and another three years to add taurine to the other two products. At least they made the changes. The other two companies Nature's Recipe and Sensible Choice STILL don't show added taurine today. IAMS, Purina and Hill's all made changes in early 1997, as soon as the information was known, some 6 years before Nutro finished changing all the products indicated in the problem.
Original Message ----- From: Tamara Cerven To: 'STEVE CRANE' Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:16 PM Subject: RE: news group posting
Steve, Thank you for your inquiry. We began adding Taurine to the Natural Choice Senior and Lite foods this past summer. The bags have been changed to reflect the new levels (1000 ppm) and you should see them on the shelf as early as Nov. 15.
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