Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / November 2003
Maine Coon Cats
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Jim Warren - 04 Nov 2003 02:59 GMT Hello Group,
We have a Maine Coon Cat. It was obtained from the Humane Society The familly that adopted it brought it back and tied it to the fence that night. It was a very young kitten.
They tossed it into the basement with me where it ran nostop for several days around the pool table. I don't care for cats so I left it alone two weeks later it was perched on my shoulder as I did my work on the computer. Then of course it spent as much time as possible on the keyboard.
Questions.
This cat is not very bright. Is this typical of main coons. The other cats are tiger cats and seem smarter than this cat.
My daughter loves the cat and tries to carry it around. The cat of course hates my daughter.
The cat is willfull. If it is lying on the floor and someone picks it up, it will hurl itself off of the person holding it and go back to the exact same spot it was in before being picked up.
The other cats tried to teach it how to catch and eat mice. All it does is smell the mouses behind.
The cat is a screamer. It screams when it is angry,scared, or playing with the other cats. This is the loudest scream I have ever heard. The first time I heard it I honestly thought it was a tornado siren.
It has to know what you are doing at all times. The first time it saw me go into the bathroom and close the door it screamed until I let it in.
Is this a normal cat or did its mother have a substance abuse problem when she was pregnant with it.
Where did it come from, arn't maine coon cats expensive.
Does one maine coon have to breed with another or can any two cats create a maine coon
Are main coon cats native to this planet?
Main coon Cats are supposed to be large. This thing is 5yrs old and really puny.
I will save my other questions until tomorrow.
Thanks Jim
Mary - 04 Nov 2003 05:46 GMT > Hello Group, > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > Thanks > Jim Your cat sounds fabulous. Some of the most fun cats are the dumbest ones.
Lucky you!
m. L. Briggs - 04 Nov 2003 05:52 GMT >Hello Group, > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >Thanks >Jim It sounds like a Troll!
kaeli - 04 Nov 2003 14:24 GMT > I will save my other questions until tomorrow. All normal and this is not a Maine Coon, it is a Domestic Longhair (i.e. a mix breed with long hair, available all over the planet).
Actually, he sounds just like my old Tom. *miss you, buddy*
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Laura Burchard - 05 Nov 2003 14:15 GMT >All normal and this is not a Maine Coon, it is a Domestic Longhair (i.e. >a mix breed with long hair, available all over the planet). Um, the Maine Coon existed before cat shows, and you do not require papers to be a Maine Coon. I've come to dislike cat breeding and all things that go with it, but I find it especially irritating the way they try to claim regional breeds that are hundreds, maybe thousands of years old and snootily declaim that it's just a 'domestic longhair' or 'domestic shorthair' if it isn't descended from one of their artifical and hideously inbred lines.
Laura
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Sherry - 05 Nov 2003 17:22 GMT >Um, the Maine Coon existed before cat shows, and you do not require papers >to be a Maine Coon. I've come to dislike cat breeding and all things that go [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Laura I suppose that would depend on the way you look at it. The ''look" existed, but not the name. Like the Scottish Fold. Somebody found a litter of folded eared cats in a barn, started breeding them, and viola, the Scottish Fold. There were undoubedly folded-eared cats that existed prior, but were they "Scottish Folds"? The name didn't exist. Same with Balinese. Longhairs have turned up in Siamese litters for centuries, but they didn't really have a name, until the 60's.
Somebody correct me if this is wrong, but it's my understanding. .
Sherry
kaeli - 05 Nov 2003 17:30 GMT > >All normal and this is not a Maine Coon, it is a Domestic Longhair (i.e. > >a mix breed with long hair, available all over the planet). > > Um, the Maine Coon existed before cat shows, You think?
> and you do not require papers > to be a Maine Coon. No, but one can't prove breed without them. One can make an educated guess. Unless you have something really distinctive, like say, a Sphynx. It's like calling a lab mix a Labarador Retriever. It might look like one and act like one, but it really isn't one. It's a lab-type dog. Many, many cats look like Maine Coons. But they aren't.
> I've come to dislike cat breeding and all things that go > with it, but I find it especially irritating the way they try to claim > regional breeds that are hundreds, maybe thousands of years old and snootily > declaim that it's just a 'domestic longhair' or 'domestic shorthair' if it > isn't descended from one of their artifical and hideously inbred lines. Um, the Maine Coon IS a descendent of domestic shorthairs and exotic longhairs. It's not like it's a disparaging statement. I find people who think domestic longhairs aren't as good as purebreds to be a bit snooty, myself.
--- http://www.fanciers.com/breed-faqs/maine-coon-faq.html [quote] One of the oldest natural breeds in North America, the Maine Coon is generally regarded as a native of the state of Maine (in fact, the Maine Coon is the official Maine State Cat). A number of attractive legends surround its origin. A wide-spread (though biologically impossible) belief is that it originated from matings between semi-wild, domestic cats and raccoons. This myth, bolstered by the bushy tail and the most common coloring (a raccoon-like brown tabby) led to the adoption of the name 'Maine Coon.' (Originally, only brown tabbies were called 'Maine Coon Cats;' cats of other colors were referred to as 'Maine Shags.') Another popular theory is that the Maine sprang from the six pet cats which Marie Antoinette sent to Wiscasset, Maine when she was planning to escape from France during the French Revolution. Most breeders today believe that the breed originated in matings between pre-existing shorthaired domestic cats and overseas longhairs (perhaps Angora types introduced by New England seamen, or longhairs brought to America by the Vikings).
... from the FAQ
"I think my cat is part Maine Coon. How do I tell?"
The Maine Coon is America's native longhair cat; it evolved naturally in response to the New England climate. Your cat's ancestors might be similar to the cats that founded the Maine Coon breed. However, it's impossible to tell from just looking at your cat if it is related to the Maine Coon or to any other breed. Because the Maine Coon is a natural breed and hasn't been bred to extremes, there are cats all over the world that resemble the Maine Coon. The only way to tell for sure if your cat is a Maine Coon is to look at the pedigree. [/quote]
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Sherry - 05 Nov 2003 18:37 GMT >> Um, the Maine Coon existed before cat shows, > >You think? I don't. "Maine Coon" is nothing more than a name stuck on a cat whose original look has been refined to consistently suit the definition of the breed, as it was created for the registry. I wonder what the first Maine Coons admitted to the registry looked like. I bet breeders have altered the look already. I always heard the first cats that fit the original Maine Coon description were ship's cats that jumped off in the ports of New England. They were preferred as ship's cats because of their size to kill rats, and the long tail to balance on the riggings. Nice story but probably invented by some romanticist breeder.
Sherry
Yngver - 05 Nov 2003 21:13 GMT >>> Um, the Maine Coon existed before cat shows, >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >was created for the registry. I wonder what the first Maine Coons admitted to >the registry looked like. You mean the Maine cats that were shown at some of the first U.S. cat shows, in the late 19th century? From descriptions, it sounds as though they were long-haired brown tabbies or long-haired whites.
I bet breeders have altered the look already. I
>always heard the first cats that fit the original Maine Coon description were >ship's cats that jumped off in the ports of New England. They were preferred >as >ship's cats because of their size to kill rats, and the long tail to balance >on >the riggings. Nice story but probably invented by some romanticist breeder. There are lots of legends about the origins of the Maine Coon cat. According to the CFA, the original Maine Coon was declared extinct in the 1950s, and a group of breeders worked to resurrect this type of cat as a breed. I'm sure you're right, that the look of the breed was a product of what this small group of breeders decided it should be, but there are pictures of cats labeled Maine cats dating from the turn of the last century, so it wouldn't be too hard to get an idea of what they were supposed to look like.
My favorite legend of the origin of the Maine Coon is that they were brought over by Viking explorers. Maine Coons resemble Norwegian Forest Cats, so that's the core of that story. In reality, they probably started out as big long-haired, mixed breed cats, but as with any breed of cat, once people decide to purpose-breed, after a few generations you have a group of cats that share similar characteristics.
Some people call any big long-haired cat a Maine Coon, just as others call any long-haired cat an Angora, but usually when someone uses a breed name these days I think it's more often understood that it means a purebred cat of that specific breed.
Yngver - 04 Nov 2003 18:52 GMT >Questions. > >This cat is not very bright. Is this typical of main coons. The other >cats are tiger cats and seem smarter than this cat. I've never heard that Maine Coons are not as bright as other cats. How do you know this cat is a Maine Coon, btw?
>My daughter loves the cat and tries to carry it around. The cat of >course hates my daughter. > >The cat is willfull. If it is lying on the floor and someone picks it >up, it will hurl itself off of the person holding it and go back to >the exact same spot it was in before being picked up. He's trying to teach you to treat him with respect and dignity.
>The other cats tried to teach it how to catch and eat mice. All it >does is smell the mouses behind. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Is this a normal cat or did its mother have a substance abuse problem >when she was pregnant with it. Normal enough.
>Where did it come from, arn't maine coon cats expensive. I doubt it's a pedigreed Maine Coon.
>Does one maine coon have to breed with another or can any two cats >create a maine coon No, Maine Coons are purebred cats. Perhaps your cat just looks a bit like a Maine Coon.
>Are main coon cats native to this planet? > >Main coon Cats are supposed to be large. This thing is 5yrs old and >really puny. It's not a Maine Coon then.
>I will save my other questions until tomorrow. > >Thanks >Jim Jim Warren - 04 Nov 2003 19:12 GMT The vet told my daughter it was a maine coon cat. Don't people who's cat mates with a different breed dispose of the young It kinda acts like a maine coon cat stand offish, has to be involved in everything. Looks exactly like the pictures of a maine coon cat in cat books, loves to stand on the very edge of the house roof and watch what everyone else is doing (i.e. loves heights). But it absolutely positively hates snow.
But I agree that there is a strong possibility that it is not a Maine Coon> Seriously I doubt if there is a telling if any cat is a thorough bred. Is there? I love the old saying if it looks a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, it's a duck!
>>Questions. >> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] >>Thanks >>Jim Yngver - 04 Nov 2003 21:36 GMT >The vet told my daughter it was a maine coon cat. He meant it looked like a Maine Coon. Even a vet can't tell whether or not a cat is purebred for sure, unless there is a pedigree.
Don't people who's
>cat mates with a different breed dispose of the young Responsible breeders don't allow their cats to mate with different breeds of cats. As was pointed out, your cat is probably a domestic longhaired cat that looks like a Maine Coon.
>It kinda acts like a maine coon cat stand offish, has to be involved >in everything. Looks exactly like the pictures of a maine coon cat in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >bred. Is there? I love the old saying if it looks a duck, walks like a >duck, sounds like a duck, it's a duck! Yes, there is one way to tell for sure if a cat is purebred. A purebred cat has a pedigree.
Cathy Friedmann - 05 Nov 2003 00:12 GMT Maine Coon cats are *huge* cats: the females are about 15 pounds minimum & the males are easily 18 - 20 pounds. Also, they have a distinctive shape to the heads/muzzles, & their tails are approx. as long as their bodies. If your cat is 5 years old & small, he's not a Maine Coon - although a Maine Coon mix is a possibility.
My parents had a Maine Coon - he weighted 18 pounds, had a l-o-n-g tail, & could reach the kitchen countertop (standard 36" height) by standing on the floor & reaching up.
Cathy
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> The vet told my daughter it was a maine coon cat. Don't people who's > cat mates with a different breed dispose of the young [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > >>Thanks > >>Jim Jim Warren - 05 Nov 2003 01:01 GMT I think you are correct. Our cat is brown tones with a grey belly. the belly fur is more like wool than fur. It loves to have it's belly rubbed.
Thanks for the reply Jim
>Maine Coon cats are *huge* cats: the females are about 15 pounds minimum & >the males are easily 18 - 20 pounds. Also, they have a distinctive shape to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Cathy Tracy - 08 Nov 2003 04:09 GMT Per the CFA - the average size range for their purebred Maine Coon females is 9-12 lbs. The girls are not as big as the boys.
And yeah, whether the Maine Coon is a actually a "breed" is very questionable. The 1895 CFA show records asked exhibitors to state that both parents were long-haired cats. Period. And all of the cats with papers are descended from those lines of "not shorthaired" cats.
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> Per the CFA - the average size range for their purebred Maine Coon > females is 9-12 lbs. The girls are not as big as the boys. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > papers are descended from those lines of > "not shorthaired" cats. Yngver - 10 Nov 2003 16:02 GMT >And yeah, whether the Maine Coon is a actually a "breed" is very >questionable. The 1895 CFA show records asked exhibitors to state that >both parents were long-haired cats. Period. And all of the cats with >papers are descended from those lines of >"not shorthaired" cats. Wouldn't that have been the case with many breeds of cats in the 19th century? Cat shows at the time only distinguished between longhaired and shorthaired cats, and color. All of the longhaired cats would have been competing together, whether they were Persian or Angora or Maine Coon. And from pictures I've seen, the body type of all these cats at the time was pretty much the same.
kaeli - 10 Nov 2003 16:15 GMT > Per the CFA - the average size range for their purebred Maine Coon > females is 9-12 lbs. The girls are not as big as the boys. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > papers are descended from those lines of > "not shorthaired" cats. All breeds came from somewhere. People want a cat that looks a certain way. They breed for it, then standardize it. Then, the cat can be papered as that breed. Same for dogs.
Breeds don't have to be hundreds of years old to be valid. New ones are still being developed.
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