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Bonnie's first "real" vet visit

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Cheryl - 29 Oct 2003 23:49 GMT
Up until now, every time Bonnie had to go to the vet it was the county
clinic (shots, spay, etc). I've been dreading having to take her to a
real vet visit but the day finally came.  She was having problems
urinating and this morning she cried while in the box so I called the
vet and they fit us in. Originally the vet wanted her in a trap or
transport cage so they could sedate her to check her over.  I didn't
feel comfortable with this even though I understand the vet's position
and experience with feral cats.  I felt she'd become socialized and
calmed-down enough to bring her in a carrier but for good measure I
put a walking jacket and lead on her before putting her in the
carrier.  Well ... she was very good!  Terrified of course, but not
ballistic as I expected, even getting her temp taken.  They couldn't
get any urine because apparently she'd been emptying  her bladder
often and squeezing out every drop as is normal with a UTI.  But I did
see that some urine on the newspaper I put under her box was dark so
it was obvious it is a UTI.  After getting her home I pilled her
*normally* (LOL) and she was back to normal and not terrified anymore.
Right now she's sitting at my feet (her favorite spot.. hehe) and
acting like this morning never happened.

So the moral of this long story is to never be afraid to bring a cat,
no matter how terrified or semi-feral, to the vet where they will be
helped.  No excuses.  :)
PawsForThought - 30 Oct 2003 00:03 GMT
>From: "Cheryl" jlh@NOSPAMpetitmorte.net

>Originally the vet wanted her in a trap or
>transport cage so they could sedate her to check her over.  I didn't
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>carrier.  Well ... she was very good!  Terrified of course, but not
>ballistic as I expected, even getting her temp taken.

That's great, Cheryl! :)

> But I did
>see that some urine on the newspaper I put under her box was dark so
>it was obvious it is a UTI.  After getting her home I pilled her
>*normally* (LOL) and she was back to normal and not terrified anymore.
>Right now she's sitting at my feet (her favorite spot.. hehe) and
>acting like this morning never happened.

Awww, she sounds adorable.  I hope her UTI clears up soon.

Lauren
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Cheryl - 30 Oct 2003 00:17 GMT
> Awww, she sounds adorable.  I hope her UTI clears up soon.

She is a sweetie.  She's come a LONG way.  I used to think she would
always be brought to the vet in a trap... the clinic used to make me
bring her in one to give her shots through the cage bars.  I'm very
proud of my little girl today.  :)

Here is her "photo album"
http://community.webshots.com/album/75552731ngVsAM

I love the last pic... I just uploaded it because I noticed I hadn't
put it there yet.
Linda E - 30 Oct 2003 03:28 GMT
Beautiful cats....

Linda

> > Awww, she sounds adorable.  I hope her UTI clears up soon.
> >
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> I love the last pic... I just uploaded it because I noticed I hadn't
> put it there yet.
PawsForThought - 30 Oct 2003 03:38 GMT
>From: "Cheryl" jlh@NOSPAMpetitmorte.net

>Here is her "photo album"
>http://community.webshots.com/album/75552731ngVsAM

Cheryl, Bonnie is really beautiful!!  How long have you had her?  I bet her and
Shamrock are having fun together.

Lauren
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Cheryl - 30 Oct 2003 04:18 GMT
>> From: "Cheryl" jlh@NOSPAMpetitmorte.net
>
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> Cheryl, Bonnie is really beautiful!!  How long have you had her?  I
> bet her and Shamrock are having fun together.

She is!  I trapped her in May.. so she was a small kitten during the
worst winter we've had here on the east coast in a long time.  I
figured she was about 5 months or so in May.  Very tiny, thin.  She
weighed in today at 10.4 lbs (a little more than she should weigh with
her small frame) but she was in a cage for 2 months.  She's very
active now and I already see her tummy slimming down.  She keeps
Shamrock on his toes and now she's chasing Shadow around and he
doesn't like it ONE bit.  He's only showed his dominance a couple of
times and I really wish he'd do it more.  He gets so scared of her
even though he outweighs her by 2x.
Karen - 30 Oct 2003 00:50 GMT
> Up until now, every time Bonnie had to go to the vet it was the county
> clinic (shots, spay, etc). I've been dreading having to take her to a
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> no matter how terrified or semi-feral, to the vet where they will be
> helped.  No excuses.  :)

Wow. She has come a LONG way. Good for her and I hope that the UTI gets over
with soon.

Karen
Kuisse0002 - 30 Oct 2003 03:58 GMT
>> So the moral of this long story is to never be afraid to bring a cat,
>> no matter how terrified or semi-feral, to the vet where they will be
>> helped.  No excuses.  :)

Hear Hear! So true. I was in agony for days prior to  bringing my cat in. I
shoved her backside in first - no problems there and luckily a very short ride
to the vet. She moaned a lot in pet cage and I felt so bad but it ws all over
in no time and she  was back to normal once out of the cage at home.
Karen M. - 30 Oct 2003 01:34 GMT
Oh, what a good little Bonnie!! Did you take a picture of her in her
smart walking jacket? I would love to see... :) She may have to explain
to my Audrey how to behave while going to the vet so I don't have
dual-end projectile. Her vet visit is coming soon...

> Up until now, every time Bonnie had to go to the vet it was the county
> clinic (shots, spay, etc). I've been dreading having to take her to a
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> no matter how terrified or semi-feral, to the vet where they will be
> helped.  No excuses.  :)
PawsForThought - 30 Oct 2003 03:40 GMT
>From: "Karen M." mskitty@easystreetNOSPAM.com

>She may have to explain
>to my Audrey how to behave while going to the vet so I don't have
>dual-end projectile. Her vet visit is coming soon...

Oh no.  Do you think it may be from riding in the car?

Lauren
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Karen M. - 30 Oct 2003 19:58 GMT
> >From: "Karen M." mskitty@easystreetNOSPAM.com
>  
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>
> Oh no.  Do you think it may be from riding in the car?

Yeah, she does it every time. It's so gross. At her last vet appt they
actually had to bathe her bottom half before they could examine her.
That's why I'm looking for someone good who does home visits. Luckily
there are a few in my area.

K

> Lauren
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Cheryl - 30 Oct 2003 04:12 GMT
> Oh, what a good little Bonnie!! Did you take a picture of her in her
> smart walking jacket? I would love to see... :)

lol No!  I was almost trembling with adrenline.  I was so afraid of
how she was going to act, if we were going to have to try to retrieve
her from the ceiling tiles, if she was going to bite everyone and me.
But as it turned out, the walking jacket was great!  She wasn't used
to it so having this thing wrapped around her waist sort of disabled
her.  Now that I got it on her once, I'm going to have to get her used
to it.  It really worked out nicely.

She may have to
> explain to my Audrey how to behave while going to the vet so I
> don't have dual-end projectile. Her vet visit is coming soon...

Good luck Karen!  They do survive the vets!  lol  Ugh on the
projectile thingie... I've never had cats who do that yet.
Karen M. - 30 Oct 2003 19:56 GMT
> > Oh, what a good little Bonnie!! Did you take a picture of her in her
> > smart walking jacket? I would love to see... :)
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> her.  Now that I got it on her once, I'm going to have to get her used
> to it.  It really worked out nicely.

Ah!! Finally got to see the pictures. She's so adorable, looks like
Audrey only thinner.. :) I'm glad she and Shamrock get along,
hopefully that keeps her a little more out of Shadow's way.

> She may have to
> > explain to my Audrey how to behave while going to the vet so I
> > don't have dual-end projectile. Her vet visit is coming soon...
> >
> Good luck Karen!  They do survive the vets!  lol  Ugh on the
> projectile thingie... I've never had cats who do that yet.

I hope you never do. She always survives, but she's so miserable
getting there, and so am I because I have to clean it up, yuck!!!

K
Cat Protector - 30 Oct 2003 19:59 GMT
I love black cats. I hope Bonnie is now out of her cage and has more space
to play in.

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> > > Oh, what a good little Bonnie!! Did you take a picture of her in her
> > > smart walking jacket? I would love to see... :)
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>
> K
Cheryl - 31 Oct 2003 00:25 GMT
> I love black cats.

I have two of them.  I think it confuses Shamrock at times. :)

I hope Bonnie is now out of her cage and has
> more space to play in.

Oh, yes.  For several months now.
Cheryl - 31 Oct 2003 00:24 GMT
> Ah!! Finally got to see the pictures. She's so adorable, looks like
> Audrey only thinner.. :) I'm glad she and Shamrock get along,
> hopefully that keeps her a little more out of Shadow's way.

They play rough.  lol  Actually lately she's discovered that Shadow is
afraid of her so she sort of terrorizes him - no touching but just
chasing.  Funny to see Shadow who is 2x her size run from her.  He can
use the excersize so as long as she doesn't hurt him.  It took him a
while to stand up to Shamrock too, but he did and they have reached
"an understanding".  I hope that will happen with him and Bonnie.

> I hope you never do. She always survives, but she's so miserable
> getting there, and so am I because I have to clean it up, yuck!!!

Some are just so susceptible to stress,  poor dears.
Cheryl - 01 Nov 2003 04:17 GMT
She's catching on to me.  This morning was HELL!  7 more days of the
ABs and I don't know if I'll have any blood left in me.  <sigh>  She's
caught on to me cornering her in *her* room and slipping her a pill
(even though it is liver flavored Baytril) she won't eat it on her
own, and even with a little help by putting it in her mouth.  We're
still in the routine of her eating separately from Shadow and Shamrock
since she won't eat canned food and I can't have Shadow eating her dry
(and he will.. he's crafty that way).  So this morning she would
rather go hungry than go into *her* room to eat knowing I was going to
catch her and put a pill in her mouth.  The toy diversion wasn't
working, though I caught me a Shamrock many times.  lol  I finally got
her in her room and got the pill in her mouth with her fighting me all
the while.  I have a few more scars for the effort.  Tonight was
another battle.  I got it in her and I am just thankful that she is
still coming to me for some treats afterwards but I wonder how long
that will last.  Each pilling session is harder and harder to do. And
I used to think Shadow was going to be the difficult one to pill once
he had to go on daily pills; he's a pussycat :) compared to her.
Sherry - 01 Nov 2003 05:19 GMT
>She's catching on to me.  This morning was HELL!  7 more days of the
>ABs and I don't know if I'll have any blood left in me.  <sigh>  She's
>caught on to me cornering her in *her* room and slipping her a pill
>(even though it is liver flavored Baytril) she won't eat it on her
>own, and even with a little help by putting it in her mouth.  

Poor dear. (You, not Bonnie!!)
I hate pilling Yoda. He learned to clamp down on my finger and not let up. Had
to start using a piller. You're right about them "learning", and each pill gets
harder and harder to get down them. Yoda also is a master at harking the pill
back up. I hope Bonnie doesn't learn *that* trick!!

Sherry

We're
>still in the routine of her eating separately from Shadow and Shamrock
>since she won't eat canned food and I can't have Shadow eating her dry
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>I used to think Shadow was going to be the difficult one to pill once
>he had to go on daily pills; he's a pussycat :) compared to her.
Cheryl - 01 Nov 2003 05:45 GMT
> Poor dear. (You, not Bonnie!!)
> I hate pilling Yoda. He learned to clamp down on my finger and not
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>
> Sherry

I got Shadow used to being pilled by giving him cooked chicken chunks
for a treat afterwards, but I think I started that because it was long
term.  He comes running (usually) when I say "medicine".  This week
with Bonnie I would give her pills just before feeding her but I think
I need to associate them with the only treats she likes.  Even if it
means giving it before her real food.  It's just another week. I have
to go get some more of those tomorrow.
She is hard to bribe with food for some reason.  Shamrock is even
different in that he can be bribed with just attention and loving.
Gotta love cats.  So individual.
Cheryl - 05 Nov 2003 01:38 GMT
Day 7 of pilling a mostly-still-feral cat for UTI antibiotics.  I
chose not to try to crush the pills into food because I have a hard
time getting her to eat canned food consistantly so I'm trying to pill
her the normal way.  I don't want to waste them, or not know if she
got the full dose.  The early days of "luring" her into her room and
shutting the door wore off very fast.  She isn't stupid.  Since she
has to get 2 doses per day, she catches on to my behavior when she's
about to be "caught" and pilled.  After a couple of days where she was
terrified of me and ran me in circles trying to "chase her down" I was
distraught wondering how in the hell am I going to get her full 10
days worth of ABs into her 2x per day??  The only time she really
comes to me right now is when I'm sleeping.  LOL  I didn't want to
ruin the only time she'll come up to me and let me pet her so I didn't
want to have the pill bottle on my nightstand to pill her in the AM.
Well, I had to resort to it.  Each day I get both doses into her is
another battle won.  Tonights dose was successful by getting her
downstairs when the other cats were down here with me, block off both
ends of the sectional couch (she will have me running circles around
this couch) and shut the door so she can't get upstairs.  She ran into
the bathroom and with me behind her I shut the door and got tonights
dose into her.  She hated me.  Followed up with the treats she likes
but I don't think she is really associating the treats with the
pilling.  I normally follow up Shadow's meds with water but I can
barely hold on to this little hell-fire long enough for the med let
alone a syringe of water.  So I've found a couple of pills around the
house and had to add them back to her full stash which only prolongs
how long she has to be on them.  Saturday as of now.  ggggrrrrrrr.....
It's almost like we'll have to be back to square-one with
socialization after this.  *If* her UTI is cured.  And she doesn't
have to go on more.  Sorry for the rant but I don't think I've had to
deal with a more uncooporative cat ever in my life.
Karen M. - 05 Nov 2003 03:36 GMT
> Day 7 of pilling a mostly-still-feral cat for UTI antibiotics.  I
> chose not to try to crush the pills into food because I have a hard
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> have to go on more.  Sorry for the rant but I don't think I've had to
> deal with a more uncooporative cat ever in my life.

No no no Cheryl, it's *you* who's being uncooperative in this scenario
by forcing her to take the pills... ;)

xoxo,
K
m. L. Briggs - 05 Nov 2003 05:48 GMT
>> Day 7 of pilling a mostly-still-feral cat for UTI antibiotics.  I
Maybe it would help to send purrs via Bast for cooperation.  Best of
luck.   MLB
Cheryl - 06 Nov 2003 01:55 GMT
>>> Day 7 of pilling a mostly-still-feral cat for UTI antibiotics.  I
> Maybe it would help to send purrs via Bast for cooperation.  Best of
> luck.   MLB

Thanks ML.  All purrs gratefully accepted.  :)
Cheryl - 08 Nov 2003 04:39 GMT
Grrrrr.... one more day of this and I wonder

Does a cat have a pocket somewhere in their throat where they store
pills?  Bonnie just spit out an almost complete pill but it was soft
like sort of saliva'd... ggggrrrr....  it's hard enough to get these
things into her!!!!!
Karen M. - 08 Nov 2003 08:04 GMT
Yes, I think they actually do. :)

> Grrrrr.... one more day of this and I wonder
>
> Does a cat have a pocket somewhere in their throat where they store
> pills?  Bonnie just spit out an almost complete pill but it was soft
> like sort of saliva'd... ggggrrrr....  it's hard enough to get these
> things into her!!!!!
arda - 09 Nov 2003 19:06 GMT
: Grrrrr.... one more day of this and I wonder
:
: Does a cat have a pocket somewhere in their throat where they store
: pills?  Bonnie just spit out an almost complete pill but it was soft
: like sort of saliva'd... ggggrrrr....  it's hard enough to get these
: things into her!!!!!

Heh.
You're wrapping your cat in a towel, right?
And you're putting the pill on the *back* of her tongue.
Mouth can be held more or less closed.
And then you're rubbing her neck to make her swallow?

And this is n't working?

arda
Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 09 Nov 2003 21:20 GMT
> x-no-archive: yes
>
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>
> arda

IIRC, Bonnie was a feral cat Cheryl brought in fairly recently.  This makes
it more difficult for her to pill Bonnie.

rona

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arda - 11 Nov 2003 04:39 GMT
: IIRC, Bonnie was a feral cat Cheryl brought in fairly recently.  This makes
: it more difficult for her to pill Bonnie.

Ah yes.  Not a standard pet.  That's what I get for not looking back to
before I joined the ng.

Sorry.
Cheryl - 11 Nov 2003 23:10 GMT
>> IIRC, Bonnie was a feral cat Cheryl brought in fairly recently.
>> This makes it more difficult for her to pill Bonnie.
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>
> Sorry.

She's becoming a "standard pet" and such a joy and source of smiles
and giggles for me every day that goes by.  Even though the pilling is
finished, she has such a memory and so gosh-darned smart that she
tries to avoid me in the mornings thinking I'm going to shove a pill
down her throat.  She's lightening up the last day or two but she
still vividly remembers this ordeal.  :)
Cheryl - 10 Nov 2003 02:23 GMT
> x-no-archive: yes
>
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>
> arda

It's been quite an experience.  She's a former feral who still doesn't
trust me to reach down and pick her up like my other cats allow.  So
no, no towels.  I put the pill as far into her mouth as I can and I
can't hold onto her long enough to follow it up with a syringe of
water like I do for "normal" housecats.  :)  That last pill was given
to her and she spit it out almost whole about a half hour later.  A
whole half hour.  Didn't seem possible to me but she did.
 
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