Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / November 2003
Bonnie's first "real" vet visit
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Cheryl - 29 Oct 2003 23:49 GMT Up until now, every time Bonnie had to go to the vet it was the county clinic (shots, spay, etc). I've been dreading having to take her to a real vet visit but the day finally came. She was having problems urinating and this morning she cried while in the box so I called the vet and they fit us in. Originally the vet wanted her in a trap or transport cage so they could sedate her to check her over. I didn't feel comfortable with this even though I understand the vet's position and experience with feral cats. I felt she'd become socialized and calmed-down enough to bring her in a carrier but for good measure I put a walking jacket and lead on her before putting her in the carrier. Well ... she was very good! Terrified of course, but not ballistic as I expected, even getting her temp taken. They couldn't get any urine because apparently she'd been emptying her bladder often and squeezing out every drop as is normal with a UTI. But I did see that some urine on the newspaper I put under her box was dark so it was obvious it is a UTI. After getting her home I pilled her *normally* (LOL) and she was back to normal and not terrified anymore. Right now she's sitting at my feet (her favorite spot.. hehe) and acting like this morning never happened.
So the moral of this long story is to never be afraid to bring a cat, no matter how terrified or semi-feral, to the vet where they will be helped. No excuses. :)
PawsForThought - 30 Oct 2003 00:03 GMT >From: "Cheryl" jlh@NOSPAMpetitmorte.net
>Originally the vet wanted her in a trap or >transport cage so they could sedate her to check her over. I didn't [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >carrier. Well ... she was very good! Terrified of course, but not >ballistic as I expected, even getting her temp taken. That's great, Cheryl! :)
> But I did >see that some urine on the newspaper I put under her box was dark so >it was obvious it is a UTI. After getting her home I pilled her >*normally* (LOL) and she was back to normal and not terrified anymore. >Right now she's sitting at my feet (her favorite spot.. hehe) and >acting like this morning never happened. Awww, she sounds adorable. I hope her UTI clears up soon.
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Cheryl - 30 Oct 2003 00:17 GMT > Awww, she sounds adorable. I hope her UTI clears up soon. She is a sweetie. She's come a LONG way. I used to think she would always be brought to the vet in a trap... the clinic used to make me bring her in one to give her shots through the cage bars. I'm very proud of my little girl today. :)
Here is her "photo album" http://community.webshots.com/album/75552731ngVsAM
I love the last pic... I just uploaded it because I noticed I hadn't put it there yet.
Linda E - 30 Oct 2003 03:28 GMT Beautiful cats....
Linda
> > Awww, she sounds adorable. I hope her UTI clears up soon. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I love the last pic... I just uploaded it because I noticed I hadn't > put it there yet. PawsForThought - 30 Oct 2003 03:38 GMT >From: "Cheryl" jlh@NOSPAMpetitmorte.net
>Here is her "photo album" >http://community.webshots.com/album/75552731ngVsAM Cheryl, Bonnie is really beautiful!! How long have you had her? I bet her and Shamrock are having fun together.
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Cheryl - 30 Oct 2003 04:18 GMT >> From: "Cheryl" jlh@NOSPAMpetitmorte.net > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Cheryl, Bonnie is really beautiful!! How long have you had her? I > bet her and Shamrock are having fun together. She is! I trapped her in May.. so she was a small kitten during the worst winter we've had here on the east coast in a long time. I figured she was about 5 months or so in May. Very tiny, thin. She weighed in today at 10.4 lbs (a little more than she should weigh with her small frame) but she was in a cage for 2 months. She's very active now and I already see her tummy slimming down. She keeps Shamrock on his toes and now she's chasing Shadow around and he doesn't like it ONE bit. He's only showed his dominance a couple of times and I really wish he'd do it more. He gets so scared of her even though he outweighs her by 2x.
Karen - 30 Oct 2003 00:50 GMT > Up until now, every time Bonnie had to go to the vet it was the county > clinic (shots, spay, etc). I've been dreading having to take her to a [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > no matter how terrified or semi-feral, to the vet where they will be > helped. No excuses. :) Wow. She has come a LONG way. Good for her and I hope that the UTI gets over with soon.
Karen
Kuisse0002 - 30 Oct 2003 03:58 GMT >> So the moral of this long story is to never be afraid to bring a cat, >> no matter how terrified or semi-feral, to the vet where they will be >> helped. No excuses. :) Hear Hear! So true. I was in agony for days prior to bringing my cat in. I shoved her backside in first - no problems there and luckily a very short ride to the vet. She moaned a lot in pet cage and I felt so bad but it ws all over in no time and she was back to normal once out of the cage at home.
Karen M. - 30 Oct 2003 01:34 GMT Oh, what a good little Bonnie!! Did you take a picture of her in her smart walking jacket? I would love to see... :) She may have to explain to my Audrey how to behave while going to the vet so I don't have dual-end projectile. Her vet visit is coming soon...
> Up until now, every time Bonnie had to go to the vet it was the county > clinic (shots, spay, etc). I've been dreading having to take her to a [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > no matter how terrified or semi-feral, to the vet where they will be > helped. No excuses. :) PawsForThought - 30 Oct 2003 03:40 GMT >From: "Karen M." mskitty@easystreetNOSPAM.com
>She may have to explain >to my Audrey how to behave while going to the vet so I don't have >dual-end projectile. Her vet visit is coming soon... Oh no. Do you think it may be from riding in the car?
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Karen M. - 30 Oct 2003 19:58 GMT > >From: "Karen M." mskitty@easystreetNOSPAM.com > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Oh no. Do you think it may be from riding in the car? Yeah, she does it every time. It's so gross. At her last vet appt they actually had to bathe her bottom half before they could examine her. That's why I'm looking for someone good who does home visits. Luckily there are a few in my area.
K
> Lauren > ________ > See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe > Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html > http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html > Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm Cheryl - 30 Oct 2003 04:12 GMT > Oh, what a good little Bonnie!! Did you take a picture of her in her > smart walking jacket? I would love to see... :) lol No! I was almost trembling with adrenline. I was so afraid of how she was going to act, if we were going to have to try to retrieve her from the ceiling tiles, if she was going to bite everyone and me. But as it turned out, the walking jacket was great! She wasn't used to it so having this thing wrapped around her waist sort of disabled her. Now that I got it on her once, I'm going to have to get her used to it. It really worked out nicely.
She may have to
> explain to my Audrey how to behave while going to the vet so I > don't have dual-end projectile. Her vet visit is coming soon... Good luck Karen! They do survive the vets! lol Ugh on the projectile thingie... I've never had cats who do that yet.
Karen M. - 30 Oct 2003 19:56 GMT > > Oh, what a good little Bonnie!! Did you take a picture of her in her > > smart walking jacket? I would love to see... :) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > her. Now that I got it on her once, I'm going to have to get her used > to it. It really worked out nicely. Ah!! Finally got to see the pictures. She's so adorable, looks like Audrey only thinner.. :) I'm glad she and Shamrock get along, hopefully that keeps her a little more out of Shadow's way.
> She may have to > > explain to my Audrey how to behave while going to the vet so I > > don't have dual-end projectile. Her vet visit is coming soon... > > > Good luck Karen! They do survive the vets! lol Ugh on the > projectile thingie... I've never had cats who do that yet. I hope you never do. She always survives, but she's so miserable getting there, and so am I because I have to clean it up, yuck!!!
K
Cat Protector - 30 Oct 2003 19:59 GMT I love black cats. I hope Bonnie is now out of her cage and has more space to play in.
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> > > Oh, what a good little Bonnie!! Did you take a picture of her in her > > > smart walking jacket? I would love to see... :) [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > K Cheryl - 31 Oct 2003 00:25 GMT > I love black cats. I have two of them. I think it confuses Shamrock at times. :)
I hope Bonnie is now out of her cage and has
> more space to play in. Oh, yes. For several months now.
Cheryl - 31 Oct 2003 00:24 GMT > Ah!! Finally got to see the pictures. She's so adorable, looks like > Audrey only thinner.. :) I'm glad she and Shamrock get along, > hopefully that keeps her a little more out of Shadow's way. They play rough. lol Actually lately she's discovered that Shadow is afraid of her so she sort of terrorizes him - no touching but just chasing. Funny to see Shadow who is 2x her size run from her. He can use the excersize so as long as she doesn't hurt him. It took him a while to stand up to Shamrock too, but he did and they have reached "an understanding". I hope that will happen with him and Bonnie.
> I hope you never do. She always survives, but she's so miserable > getting there, and so am I because I have to clean it up, yuck!!! Some are just so susceptible to stress, poor dears.
Cheryl - 01 Nov 2003 04:17 GMT She's catching on to me. This morning was HELL! 7 more days of the ABs and I don't know if I'll have any blood left in me. <sigh> She's caught on to me cornering her in *her* room and slipping her a pill (even though it is liver flavored Baytril) she won't eat it on her own, and even with a little help by putting it in her mouth. We're still in the routine of her eating separately from Shadow and Shamrock since she won't eat canned food and I can't have Shadow eating her dry (and he will.. he's crafty that way). So this morning she would rather go hungry than go into *her* room to eat knowing I was going to catch her and put a pill in her mouth. The toy diversion wasn't working, though I caught me a Shamrock many times. lol I finally got her in her room and got the pill in her mouth with her fighting me all the while. I have a few more scars for the effort. Tonight was another battle. I got it in her and I am just thankful that she is still coming to me for some treats afterwards but I wonder how long that will last. Each pilling session is harder and harder to do. And I used to think Shadow was going to be the difficult one to pill once he had to go on daily pills; he's a pussycat :) compared to her.
Sherry - 01 Nov 2003 05:19 GMT >She's catching on to me. This morning was HELL! 7 more days of the >ABs and I don't know if I'll have any blood left in me. <sigh> She's >caught on to me cornering her in *her* room and slipping her a pill >(even though it is liver flavored Baytril) she won't eat it on her >own, and even with a little help by putting it in her mouth. Poor dear. (You, not Bonnie!!) I hate pilling Yoda. He learned to clamp down on my finger and not let up. Had to start using a piller. You're right about them "learning", and each pill gets harder and harder to get down them. Yoda also is a master at harking the pill back up. I hope Bonnie doesn't learn *that* trick!!
Sherry
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>still in the routine of her eating separately from Shadow and Shamrock >since she won't eat canned food and I can't have Shadow eating her dry [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >I used to think Shadow was going to be the difficult one to pill once >he had to go on daily pills; he's a pussycat :) compared to her. Cheryl - 01 Nov 2003 05:45 GMT > Poor dear. (You, not Bonnie!!) > I hate pilling Yoda. He learned to clamp down on my finger and not [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Sherry I got Shadow used to being pilled by giving him cooked chicken chunks for a treat afterwards, but I think I started that because it was long term. He comes running (usually) when I say "medicine". This week with Bonnie I would give her pills just before feeding her but I think I need to associate them with the only treats she likes. Even if it means giving it before her real food. It's just another week. I have to go get some more of those tomorrow. She is hard to bribe with food for some reason. Shamrock is even different in that he can be bribed with just attention and loving. Gotta love cats. So individual.
Cheryl - 05 Nov 2003 01:38 GMT Day 7 of pilling a mostly-still-feral cat for UTI antibiotics. I chose not to try to crush the pills into food because I have a hard time getting her to eat canned food consistantly so I'm trying to pill her the normal way. I don't want to waste them, or not know if she got the full dose. The early days of "luring" her into her room and shutting the door wore off very fast. She isn't stupid. Since she has to get 2 doses per day, she catches on to my behavior when she's about to be "caught" and pilled. After a couple of days where she was terrified of me and ran me in circles trying to "chase her down" I was distraught wondering how in the hell am I going to get her full 10 days worth of ABs into her 2x per day?? The only time she really comes to me right now is when I'm sleeping. LOL I didn't want to ruin the only time she'll come up to me and let me pet her so I didn't want to have the pill bottle on my nightstand to pill her in the AM. Well, I had to resort to it. Each day I get both doses into her is another battle won. Tonights dose was successful by getting her downstairs when the other cats were down here with me, block off both ends of the sectional couch (she will have me running circles around this couch) and shut the door so she can't get upstairs. She ran into the bathroom and with me behind her I shut the door and got tonights dose into her. She hated me. Followed up with the treats she likes but I don't think she is really associating the treats with the pilling. I normally follow up Shadow's meds with water but I can barely hold on to this little hell-fire long enough for the med let alone a syringe of water. So I've found a couple of pills around the house and had to add them back to her full stash which only prolongs how long she has to be on them. Saturday as of now. ggggrrrrrrr..... It's almost like we'll have to be back to square-one with socialization after this. *If* her UTI is cured. And she doesn't have to go on more. Sorry for the rant but I don't think I've had to deal with a more uncooporative cat ever in my life.
Karen M. - 05 Nov 2003 03:36 GMT > Day 7 of pilling a mostly-still-feral cat for UTI antibiotics. I > chose not to try to crush the pills into food because I have a hard [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > have to go on more. Sorry for the rant but I don't think I've had to > deal with a more uncooporative cat ever in my life. No no no Cheryl, it's *you* who's being uncooperative in this scenario by forcing her to take the pills... ;)
xoxo, K
m. L. Briggs - 05 Nov 2003 05:48 GMT >> Day 7 of pilling a mostly-still-feral cat for UTI antibiotics. I Maybe it would help to send purrs via Bast for cooperation. Best of luck. MLB
Cheryl - 06 Nov 2003 01:55 GMT >>> Day 7 of pilling a mostly-still-feral cat for UTI antibiotics. I > Maybe it would help to send purrs via Bast for cooperation. Best of > luck. MLB Thanks ML. All purrs gratefully accepted. :)
Cheryl - 08 Nov 2003 04:39 GMT Grrrrr.... one more day of this and I wonder
Does a cat have a pocket somewhere in their throat where they store pills? Bonnie just spit out an almost complete pill but it was soft like sort of saliva'd... ggggrrrr.... it's hard enough to get these things into her!!!!!
Karen M. - 08 Nov 2003 08:04 GMT Yes, I think they actually do. :)
> Grrrrr.... one more day of this and I wonder > > Does a cat have a pocket somewhere in their throat where they store > pills? Bonnie just spit out an almost complete pill but it was soft > like sort of saliva'd... ggggrrrr.... it's hard enough to get these > things into her!!!!! arda - 09 Nov 2003 19:06 GMT : Grrrrr.... one more day of this and I wonder : : Does a cat have a pocket somewhere in their throat where they store : pills? Bonnie just spit out an almost complete pill but it was soft : like sort of saliva'd... ggggrrrr.... it's hard enough to get these : things into her!!!!! Heh. You're wrapping your cat in a towel, right? And you're putting the pill on the *back* of her tongue. Mouth can be held more or less closed. And then you're rubbing her neck to make her swallow?
And this is n't working?
arda
Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 09 Nov 2003 21:20 GMT > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > arda IIRC, Bonnie was a feral cat Cheryl brought in fairly recently. This makes it more difficult for her to pill Bonnie.
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arda - 11 Nov 2003 04:39 GMT : IIRC, Bonnie was a feral cat Cheryl brought in fairly recently. This makes : it more difficult for her to pill Bonnie. Ah yes. Not a standard pet. That's what I get for not looking back to before I joined the ng.
Sorry.
Cheryl - 11 Nov 2003 23:10 GMT >> IIRC, Bonnie was a feral cat Cheryl brought in fairly recently. >> This makes it more difficult for her to pill Bonnie. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Sorry. She's becoming a "standard pet" and such a joy and source of smiles and giggles for me every day that goes by. Even though the pilling is finished, she has such a memory and so gosh-darned smart that she tries to avoid me in the mornings thinking I'm going to shove a pill down her throat. She's lightening up the last day or two but she still vividly remembers this ordeal. :)
Cheryl - 10 Nov 2003 02:23 GMT > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > arda It's been quite an experience. She's a former feral who still doesn't trust me to reach down and pick her up like my other cats allow. So no, no towels. I put the pill as far into her mouth as I can and I can't hold onto her long enough to follow it up with a syringe of water like I do for "normal" housecats. :) That last pill was given to her and she spit it out almost whole about a half hour later. A whole half hour. Didn't seem possible to me but she did.
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