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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / November 2003The California Fires
I just saw on the news that an a rescue team from the AHS here in Phoenix is on its way to the San Diego area to help out. The unit will include five AHS Emergency Animal Medical Technicians, a vet team, two rescue ambulances, and a 60 foot mobile hospital. They intend on doing welfare checks on animals left behind to make sure that they have food and water and are not in immediate danger. According to their Web Site they did say they will rescue animals that were injured or stranded by the blaze. People can donate to the rescue fund if they want. My question is this. Unless they have keys to resident homes, how will they be able to check on some of the animals? I'd think most people who evacuate their homes probably have locked the doors. The other issue is why do people leave their animals behind in the first place? I'd think taking their animals with them would be the first on the list besides saving themselves. I hope that all the cats, dogs, fish or whatever are with their humans in a nice safe place and for those left behind I hope they are rescued. If anyone wants to find out more about the AHS efforts you can see the following on their Web Site at http://www.azhumane.org/artimgr/publish/article_145.shtml.  SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Cat Protector <catprotector@cox.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > I just saw on the news that an a rescue team from the AHS here in > Phoenix is on its way to the San Diego area to help out. The unit [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > have keys to resident homes, how will they be able to check on > some of the animals? They are usually in contact with the people shelters and who is where and they get permission from the owners and often will break windows to get in. I have stickers on my front and balcony door that there is a cat inside. > I'd think most people who evacuate their > homes probably have locked the doors. The other issue is why do [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > more about the AHS efforts you can see the following on their Web > Site at http://www.azhumane.org/artimgr/publish/article_145.shtml. Well, sometimes they don't have a choice. The Red Cross shelters and most other do not permit pets unless they are service animals. You can't have dogs and cats in such close quarters with other people. Many just set they loose and hope for the best. Other pets, especially cats, are hiding if there's immediate threat. Personally, I would leave with my pet and find a place out of harm's way to leave them before proceeding to a shelter.But, you have to understand that, sadly, people don't have emergency plans. Things catch them by surprise and they make bad decisions. SignatureBrandy??Alexandre? http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? I'm not sure if most people even have stickers on their houses that say there is a cat inside. BTW, everyone has a choice even in an emergency situation. I know I would elect to get my two cats in their carriers and take them with me instead of leaving them behind. I'd also take food and water for them as well as for myself. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > They are usually in contact with the people shelters and who is where > and they get permission from the owners and often will break windows to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > people don't have emergency plans. Things catch them by surprise and > they make bad decisions. > I'm not sure if most people even have stickers on their houses that say > there is a cat inside. BTW, everyone has a choice even in an emergency > situation. I know I would elect to get my two cats in their carriers and > take them with me instead of leaving them behind. I'd also take food and > water for them as well as for myself. I'm sure most cat owners would "elect" to get their cat(s) into a carrier, get adequate water, food, etc and leave. But if your house is on fire, and/or the authorities are telling you to leave your house in 15 minutes, how can you guarantee you would be able to find your cat(s) and get them in a carrier? I know you live in an apt, and you only have 2 cats, but I live in a medium-sized house, and I have 5 cats, and usually some foster cats and kittens. There have been times when I haven't been able to find one of my cats for over an hour, and nothing special was going on, they just found a new place to sleep. Every time my husband and I start packing for a trip, my cat Bartleby hides. And this is with packing in a calm manner, not running around the house like a maniac, as one would be in a disaster. I have worried about this situation before, because I know how difficult it is to round up my cats and just take them to the vet. I've only had to pack them up two at a time before, never all five. My plan has been to just grab them and put them in the car. With a couple of the cats, once they see the carrier, they are gone. My point is, don't be so judgemental. I'm sure people who had no choice but to leave their pets behind are devastated. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net Check out www.snittens.com KellyH <Kelly@whatever.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > I have worried about this situation before, because I know how > difficult it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > My point is, don't be so judgemental. I'm sure people who had no > choice but to leave their pets behind are devastated. I'm 15 miles from the nearest of the fires, and even at that distance Kami is on yellow alert due to the smoke in the air. She's curious and cautious. She knows something is going on outside and she's a little skittish for some reason. I won't let her out on the balcony because I think she at extra risk for bolting is startled. Cats are enormously perceptive. All I have to do is start *thinking* about the carrier and walk that direction (bedroom closet) and she's gone. Weird thing is, she sleeps in it. SignatureBrandy??Alexandre? http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? I know I wouldn't leave without them if danger was at my front door. I think you either care enough to rescue them and them with you or you do not. I did read that someone who had to evacuate cared enough to take her animals with her as well as important papers. BTW, you spelled judgmental wrong. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > I'm sure most cat owners would "elect" to get their cat(s) into a carrier, > get adequate water, food, etc and leave. But if your house is on fire, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > My point is, don't be so judgemental. I'm sure people who had no choice but > to leave their pets behind are devastated. > I know I wouldn't leave without them if danger was at my front door. I think > you either care enough to rescue them and them with you or you do not. I did > read that someone who had to evacuate cared enough to take her animals with > her as well as important papers. BTW, you spelled judgmental wrong. You know, I thought I spelled judgmental wrong, but I guess being the uncaring, unfeeling person I am, I didn't bother to go to dictionary.com and look it up. All I am saying is, I believe people who truly care about their pets would do all they can to rescue them. But what if your house is on fire, and you CANNOT find your cat? I honestly don't know what I would do. I would probably end up dying looking for all my cats, esp Bartleby. He's all black, which would make him difficult to find in the dark, always hides whenever I'm thinking about getting the carrier, or if he sees us packing, or when strangers come to the door. I don't know the specifics of the evacuation situations, and I'm sure you don't, either. My point is, that if someone had to flee their burning house, and were unfortunately unable to save their pet, I don't think it's right to automatically decree that this person doesn't care about their pet. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net Check out www.snittens.com I know if it were my home on fire, I'd not leave until my cats were accounted for. Of course that is just me. All I know is that plenty people seem to be taking the time to also rescue their animals along with some of their belongings. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > All I am saying is, I believe people who truly care about their pets would > do all they can to rescue them. But what if your house is on fire, and you [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > save their pet, I don't think it's right to automatically decree that this > person doesn't care about their pet. >From: "KellyH" Kelly@whatever.com >> I know I wouldn't leave without them if danger was at my front door. I >think [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >do all they can to rescue them. But what if your house is on fire, and you >CANNOT find your cat? Kellly, I'm sure you would do everything within your power to find your cat. It's easy for people to say a person SHOULD do this or that, but in an emergency situation, one never knows what might happen. I just hope none of us ever has to experience the panic of a fire and rounding up all our precious furbabies. Lauren I honestly don't know what I would do. I would >probably end up dying looking for all my cats, esp Bartleby. He's all >black, which would make him difficult to find in the dark, always hides [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >save their pet, I don't think it's right to automatically decree that this >person doesn't care about their pet. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm KellyH <Kelly@whatever.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > You know, I thought I spelled judgmental wrong, but I guess being > the uncaring, unfeeling person I am, I didn't bother to go to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > to automatically decree that this person doesn't care about their > pet. You just reminded me of a COPS episode where a neighboring apartment was on fire and the cops were going door to door ordering people out. This older woman kept stalling and trying to catch her dog and find her cat, and smoke started to fill the room. The cop saw the cat run outside, but the lady didn't and he had to practically drag her out of a burning building. Yes, you love your cat and you might be willing to die for it, but people who don't give a lick about your cat don't want to die trying to rescue you! Anyway, the cat then ran back inside and the cop went in after it. By then the smoke was really thick, but he found the cat and just grabbed and pulled whatever he had hold of and threw it toward the door. The cat, rather unhappy, took some good chunks of the cop for the trouble. He was bleeding like a stuck... a... pig (no pun). But the cat was saved. :) SignatureBrandy??Alexandre? http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? > You just reminded me of a COPS episode where a neighboring apartment > was on fire and the cops were going door to door ordering people out. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > But the cat was saved. :) That story is exactly the scenario I was trying to illustrate. All Cat Protector answered my questions with was "well, I know I wouldn't leave without my cats!" Like, anybody who has to run out of a burning house and doesn't manage to save their pet is an uncaring pet owner. I think sometimes us cat lovers are a bit too quick to judge other pet owners. We just assume that no one can care for and love their pets as much as we do. And no, we shouldn't by proxy risk other people's lives to save our pets, no matter how much we love them. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net Check out www.snittens.com Sure blame me for all the problems you are having. Everyone has a choice. You either save your cat in an emergency or you don't. The ones that don't are pretty selfish as far as I am concerned. Also people have a choice as to whether or not they prepare for an emergency. Yes, you can prepare. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > That story is exactly the scenario I was trying to illustrate. All Cat > Protector answered my questions with was "well, I know I wouldn't leave [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > And no, we shouldn't by proxy risk other people's lives to save our pets, no > matter how much we love them. I understand what you're saying, and I agree about preparation. But don't be too narrow-minded -- we all have different circumstances. Don't expect others to have the same involvement with cats as you do just because you can do it. Some people's lives revolve around their pets. Some people's lives revolve around their family, and that involves their physical safety, emotional well-being, mental & physical development, education, their future. It's easy to say you can prepare. Yes, you can prepare. But in my case, my preparation would be for my family first. If there's anything left to give, then I'd worry about our pets. > Sure blame me for all the problems you are having. Everyone has a choice. > You either save your cat in an emergency or you don't. The ones that don't [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > no > > matter how much we love them. It's too bad that you see the animals as just another item. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Ray Ban" <ray2003092003@yahoo.com> wrote in message >Yes, you can prepare. But in my case, my preparation > would be for my family first. If there's anything left to give, then > I'd worry about our pets. > "Ray Ban" <ray2003092003@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >Yes, you can prepare. But in my case, my preparation > > would be for my family first. If there's anything left to give, then > > I'd worry about our pets. > > It's too bad that you see the animals as just another item. You make absolutely no sense. What's he supposed to do? Leave his kids in a burning house, while he crawls around under the bed looking for his cat? Yes, you get the kids out first, then the cats. God willing, you can get them out at the same time. Look, before you spout off with the "I guess you don't love your cats crap", let me tell you, I LOVE MY CATS! In all honesty, I probably would run back in a burning house to get them, but that is not the smart thing to do. Then what would happen? I might be dead, or unable to care for my cats, and my cats may or may not be alive. What did that accomplish? I don't have any kids, so I can't even imagine having to make a choice between my cats or my kids. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net Check out www.snittens.com I make perfect sense. I value cats lives and would do everything within my power to rescue mine. The way I see it, my cats are my kids so they are valued. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > You make absolutely no sense. What's he supposed to do? Leave his kids in > a burning house, while he crawls around under the bed looking for his cat? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > kids, so I can't even imagine having to make a choice between my cats or my > kids. Yes, I've got my priorities straight. My wife and children first before the cats. If I didn't have a wife and children, then the cats will get my attention first. But since I have a family and cats, there's simply no contest. > It's too bad that you see the animals as just another item. > > >Yes, you can prepare. But in my case, my preparation > > would be for my family first. If there's anything left to give, then > > I'd worry about our pets. > Sure blame me for all the problems you are having. Everyone has a choice. > You either save your cat in an emergency or you don't. The ones that don't > are pretty selfish as far as I am concerned. Also people have a choice as to > whether or not they prepare for an emergency. Yes, you can prepare. WTF?? I'm not having any problems. I was just sharing that I *know* in an emergency, it would be difficult to save all 5 of my cats from my house, esp since one of my cats is a very good hider. I've bought him a reflective collar to make it a bit easier to find him in the dark, and I would not bring the carriers out first, I would find him, then get the carriers, otherwise he would hide even more. We have a place to stay, so I don't have to worry about being seperated from my cats. I have the pet stickers in the windows. I've done what I can. Fortunately, I have never been in a situation like that. If I knew disaster may be coming, like if I lived in a hurricane zone, yes, I would keep my kitties in one room while the threat of danger looms, have a bag packed, etc. But for a total, unexpected, emergency? I really don't know if I could get my cats and me out alive. Yeah, you're right, you either save your cat, or you don't. Sometimes it's NOT your choice. What if you weren't home when the fire broke out? What if you are forced out before you can save your cat? Would you go running back into the house like a lunatic, forcing firefighters to run in after you? I would do ANYTHING for my cats. I have never said that I would just leave my cats and walk away. I was just trying to get you to see that it is not always a clear-cut choice, like, "do I want to take this trinket with me or not? Eh, don't really need it. Next item on the list". Do you honestly, truly, think every person who has lost a pet in a fire / natural disaster situation did not care about their pet? Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net Check out www.snittens.com I think it is best to have a plan before any emergency happens. Have a kit put together especially for your cat including food, water and of course a litterbox, scoop and litter. Make sure the carriers are packed in an easy to grab space so you can get to them easily. I too think it is a great idea to confine the cats to one room in order to fetch them instead of going all over the house looking for them. I myself am one of those people who would definately run into a burning building to save my cats. If the firefighter wants to hold me back then he/she better get a few more guys to help him/her. When it comes to my cats they are family. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Yeah, you're right, you either save your cat, or you don't. Sometimes it's > NOT your choice. What if you weren't home when the fire broke out? What if [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > truly, think every person who has lost a pet in a fire / natural disaster > situation did not care about their pet? Cat Protector <catprotector@cox.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > I myself am one of those people who would definately run into a > burning building to save my cats. If the firefighter wants to hold > me back then he/she better get a few more guys to help him/her. > When it comes to my cats they are family. So you expect people to die for you even when you're doing nothing to save yourself? Who is selfish here? SignatureBrandy??Alexandre? http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? No. I am saying I am willing to go into a raging fire to save my cats. It may sound crazy to some but in my head these cats are my kids. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Cat Protector <catprotector@cox.net> wrote in > So you expect people to die for you even when you're doing nothing to > save yourself? Who is selfish here? > No. I am saying I am willing to go into a raging fire to save my cats. It > may sound crazy to some but in my head these cats are my kids. Not crazy at all! You have to be prepared for catastrophic events! Being prepared IN ADVANCE is the best thing you can do! Here's info from the ASPCA: http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=emergency I agree that my pets will be out first. When I was small, we had a horrible house fire - my sister was home alone and was able to get the pets out by herself - luckily. She even saved my hampsters. Nearly the entire house burned down. A friend lost his two cats in a home fire - they simply had no time to get them out - it was night, and the house burned down around them - the excaped with thier lives, and that was all. I fear home fires more than anything else. My mammalian companion animals have their own quarters in our home since my DH is very allergic to them. I have my non-mammalian animal companions (snakes and a turtle) housed near the pet suite so that if there was an emergency, I could get everyone out in a short period of time. It is an area with two doors from which to exit - and we are putting in an extra door in the pet suite as well. I have the carriers in the main room of the suite with the doors open - the leashes for the dogs are right there as well. I have an emergency kit in the garage - which would be pretty easy to get to if the house was burning. Our home is stucco but I worry about the roof which is regular asphalt shingle roofing - when we replace it, I think we will use slate or tile. Our home is surrounded by 80+ ft pine trees, so fire is a major concern. For me, it's reached phobia status... -L. Thanks for posting the info. It is very useful and I hope everyone who has animals will read the Site. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Not crazy at all! You have to be prepared for catastrophic events! > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > -L. >I think it is best to have a plan before any emergency happens. Have a kit >put together especially for your cat including food, water and of course a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >I myself am one of those people who would definately run into a burning You spelled 'definitely' wrong. >building to save my cats. If the firefighter wants to hold me back then >he/she better get a few more guys to help him/her. When it comes to my cats >they are family. > I think it is best to have a plan before any emergency happens. Have a kit > put together especially for your cat including food, water and of course a > litterbox, scoop and litter. Make sure the carriers are packed in an easy to > grab space so you can get to them easily. I too think it is a great idea to > confine the cats to one room in order to fetch them instead of going all > over the house looking for them. So what? YOu keep your cats in one room their whole life just in case there's an emergency? You go so far to the extreme trying to prove yourself to be the ultimate pet guardian you end up making no sense. > I myself am one of those people who would definately run into a burning > building to save my cats. If the firefighter wants to hold me back then [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > truly, think every person who has lost a pet in a fire / natural disaster > > situation did not care about their pet? Isn't it funny how you see the need to twist people's words around to make them look bad or to put them down. I guess in your eyes I am a lousy person thus shouldn't have cats. All I was basically saying is to have an emergency plan ready in case tragedy strikes. Of course, I am sure you'll find something bad about my saying that right? SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Karen M." <misskittymcgill71@yahoo.com> wrote in message > So what? YOu keep your cats in one room their whole life just in case > there's an emergency? You go so far to the extreme trying to prove > yourself to be the ultimate pet guardian you end up making no sense. > Isn't it funny how you see the need to twist people's words around to make > them look bad or to put them down. I guess in your eyes I am a lousy person [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > there's an emergency? You go so far to the extreme trying to prove > > yourself to be the ultimate pet guardian you end up making no sense. CP, What you said didn't make sense period. People started talking about house fires, and sometimes emergency situations come up out of the blue that you can't control and you're saying "keep them in one room", which may be appropriate for when you *know* something is going on, but not for unexpected emergencies. You're the one haraunging people for saying there might be situations where they might not be able to get their loved ones out and you offer that up. Think about it. I'm not trying to pick on you, but sometimes your statement border on the ridiculous and offer to constructive help whatsoever. Do you have any good ideas on how to quickly and safely coax a scared cat from a hiding spot? That would be great. Let's see. Someone else suggested the cats in one room idea and I agreed with them. However, you seem fit to want to come down on me instead of the other person who suggested it. I think you just have a problem with me because I believe in rescuing my cats from a fire and having a plan in case of emergency. Call me rediculous or crazy all you want. I love my cats as they are my children and nothing will change that. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Karen M." <misskittymcgill71@yahoo.com> wrote in message > CP, What you said didn't make sense period. People started talking > about house fires, and sometimes emergency situations come up out of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > have any good ideas on how to quickly and safely coax a scared cat > from a hiding spot? That would be great. >Let's see. Someone else suggested the cats in one room idea and I agreed >with them. However, you seem fit to want to come down on me instead of the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This isn't proper usage. The phrase is 'you see fit'. >other person who suggested it. I think you just have a problem with me >because I believe in rescuing my cats from a fire and having a plan in case >of emergency. Call me rediculous or crazy all you want. I love my cats as You spelled 'ridiculous' wrong. >they are my children and nothing will change that. >> other person who suggested it. I think you just have a problem >> with me because I believe in rescuing my cats from a fire and >> having a plan in case of emergency. Call me rediculous or crazy >> all you want. I love my cats as > > You spelled 'ridiculous' wrong. lmao You beat me to it. >>> other person who suggested it. I think you just have a problem >>> with me because I believe in rescuing my cats from a fire and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >lmao >You beat me to it. I know he's in all likelihood developmentally disabled, but I can't help myself! <Instant Karma> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >>>> other person who suggested it. I think you just have a problem >>>> with me because I believe in rescuing my cats from a fire and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I know he's in all likelihood developmentally disabled, but I > can't help myself! He was the one handing out spelling flames. These subsequent errors are precisely why one SHOULD NOT respond to anything when all they have to argue about are typos. SignatureBrandy??Alexandre? http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? What-ever. You said it, now you want to take the attention off you by playing the martyr again. Yes, people are crucifying you because you want to rescue your cats from a fire. Exactly <roll eyes>. > Let's see. Someone else suggested the cats in one room idea and I agreed > with them. However, you seem fit to want to come down on me instead of the > other person who suggested it. I think you just have a problem with me > because I believe in rescuing my cats from a fire and having a plan in case > of emergency. Call me rediculous or crazy all you want. I love my cats as > they are my children and nothing will change that. Cat Protector <catprotector@cox.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Isn't it funny how you see the need to twist people's words around > to make them look bad or to put them down. I guess in your eyes I > am a lousy person thus shouldn't have cats. All I was basically > saying is to have an emergency plan ready in case tragedy strikes. > Of course, I am sure you'll find something bad about my saying > that right? I saw you perform a great deal of twisting on hers. I wouldn't be waving the righteous indignation flag just yet. SignatureBrandy??Alexandre? http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? I called it like I saw it and did not at twist her words. She seemed to see fit to attack me simply because of the plan I would use to rescue my cats. I think she seems to have a real problem with those who choose to rescue their cats first. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > I saw you perform a great deal of twisting on hers. I wouldn't be > waving the righteous indignation flag just yet. >I called it like I saw it and did not at twist her words. She seemed to see ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This usage makes absolutely no sense. >fit to attack me simply because of the plan I would use to rescue my cats. I >think she seems to have a real problem with those who choose to rescue their >cats first. >I called it like I saw it and did not at twist her words. She seemed to see >fit to attack me simply because of the plan I would use to rescue my cats. I >think she seems to have a real problem with those who choose to rescue their >cats first. CP, you twist words all the time. That's exactly why you're in hot water with everybody right now. Here's a challenge for you. Find the actual words she used that led you to believe she "has a real problem with those who choose to rescue their cats first." Go on. Find just one sentence that would indicate what you've just accused her of, becuase you won't find anything. She didn't say, or indicate that. You created it in your own head. Sherry > I called it like I saw it and did not at twist her words. She seemed to see > fit to attack me simply because of the plan I would use to rescue my cats. I > think she seems to have a real problem with those who choose to rescue their > cats first. CP - You are unbelievable. Don't you dare try to speak for me and what I would do, especially since I have not stated my opinion one way or another in any way shape or form. Don't try and turn this into being about me - this is about *you* and yet another one of your deranged rants and berating people for acts they haven't even committed! You're a real piece of work. > > I saw you perform a great deal of twisting on hers. I wouldn't be > > waving the righteous indignation flag just yet. Nobodywas speaking for you but it appears that you seem to have problems with the fact that I would risk my own life to save my cats. You say don''t try and turn this into being about you but yet you have tried to put me down and make me look like some kind of crazy person for seeing my cats the way I do. In other words you have done nothing but lay judgment on me when you say I have been doing it. You have been pretty hypocritical if you ask me. Into the killfile you go. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Karen M." <misskittymcgill71@yahoo.com> wrote in message > CP - You are unbelievable. Don't you dare try to speak for me and what > I would do, especially since I have not stated my opinion one way or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > I saw you perform a great deal of twisting on hers. I wouldn't be > > > waving the righteous indignation flag just yet. Yay!!!!! > Nobodywas speaking for you but it appears that you seem to have problems > with the fact that I would risk my own life to save my cats. You say don''t [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I have been doing it. You have been pretty hypocritical if you ask me. Into > the killfile you go. > Yay!!!!! LOL Congrats! hehe >> Nobodywas speaking for you but it appears that you seem to have >> problems with the fact that I would risk my own life to save my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> been doing it. You have been pretty hypocritical if you ask me. >> Into the killfile you go. Oh, thank you! <blush blush> >>Yay!!!!! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>>been doing it. You have been pretty hypocritical if you ask me. >>>Into the killfile you go. I LOVEEEEEEEE A GOOD CAT FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WOULD DO MY VERY BEST TO SAVE MY TIDY TAT TO BUT IM NOT GOING TO RISK MY LIFE ! MY CHILDREN NEED ME AS WELL. COME ON LETS ALL GET ALONG! I LOVE LURKING AT THIS GROUP. YOU ALL HAVE GIVEN ME INFO ON THINGS I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT CATS. THATS WHAT I COME HER TO SEE NOT A LOT OF TIT FOR TAT OR SHAT I SAY TIT FOR CAT LOL >Nobodywas speaking for you but it appears that you seem to have problems >with the fact that I would risk my own life to save my cats. You say don''t [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I have been doing it. You have been pretty hypocritical if you ask me. Into >the killfile you go. http://tinyurl.com/t7d6 >>Nobodywas speaking for you but it appears that you seem to have problems >>with the fact that I would risk my own life to save my cats. You say don''t [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >http://tinyurl.com/t7d6 ROFL!! He's fricking kill-filed everybody. I guess he hates us. I guess he thinks we're not fit to own cats. I guess he thinks we're all a bunch of cat molesters. I guess he also thinks we hate the whole feline species and want to lock them in a burning building, but first hog-tie all the firemen *and* Super CP (ta da da DA DA DA) so they would never, ever, ever have a chance to be rescued. Yep, that's what he thinks. Woe is us. (Or, tell me this, Instant Karma, would that be "Woe is we?" I don't want to be spell-flamed by CP again) I guess I just came on this group minding my own business, and CP just twisted my words as tight as his panties are twisted. Where did I put that righteous indignation flag, anyway? Sherry <--tongue is firmly in cheek to illustrate CP's own brand of logic :-) Sherry Woo hoo hoo hoo hoo!!!! :) >>>Nobodywas speaking for you but it appears that you seem to have problems >>>with the fact that I would risk my own life to save my cats. You say don''t [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Sherry > He's...kill-filed everybody... I thought Cat Protector was a She. Anybody ever meet CP in person? ~Shelly~ >> He's...kill-filed everybody... > >I thought Cat Protector was a She. Anybody ever meet CP in person? > >~Shelly~ As strange as it may seem, he's a male. Check out the website in his signature, he's got a picture of himself on it. I haven't killfiled everyone just those who decide to just attack me with name calling and put downs just to make themselves look better. I don't think anyone wants to hang around with people like that. It seems that many of the posts here there is always someone who will try to make you look like the bad guy by twisting words and thus getting the rest of the thread off topic. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > > > He's...kill-filed everybody... > > I thought Cat Protector was a She. Anybody ever meet CP in person? > > ~Shelly~ Cat Protector <catprotector@cox.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > I haven't killfiled everyone just those who decide to just attack > me with name calling and put downs just to make themselves look > better. I don't think anyone wants to hang around with people like > that. It seems that many of the posts here there is always someone > who will try to make you look like the bad guy by twisting words > and thus getting the rest of the thread off topic. Get over it. I have been reading the thread and even if she is guilty as chanrged, I definitely saw you pulling that crap first. SignatureBrandy??Alexandre? http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? Baloney. You people seem to start it and then play the victims whenever it suits you just so you can look better . Time and time again I see that happening here in the newsgroup. Instead of taking responsibility for what you post and the flame wars you start it seems more convenient for a lot of you to blame someone else. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Get over it. I have been reading the thread and even if she is guilty > as chanrged, I definitely saw you pulling that crap first. Cat Protector <catprotector@cox.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Baloney. You people seem to start it and then play the victims > whenever it suits you just so you can look better . Time and time > again I see that happening here in the newsgroup. Instead of > taking responsibility for what you post and the flame wars you > start it seems more convenient for a lot of you to blame someone > else. Well, I usually am the victim, but that's beside the point. While I am usually on the side of the underdog being one who is so frequently attacked for so good reason, I am very careful when passing similar judgments. I'm not friend of yours or Karen, or anyone here, for that matter, as they are often in catty attack mode, so I have no reason to play favorites. It's just a simple fact that you started it and now you're whining. Grow up already. SignatureBrandy??Alexandre? http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? Like Cat Protector!! :) > I haven't killfiled everyone just those who decide to just attack me with > name calling and put downs just to make themselves look better. I don't > think anyone wants to hang around with people like that. It seems that many > of the posts here there is always someone who will try to make you look like > the bad guy by twisting words and thus getting the rest of the thread off > topic. >From: Instant Karma >>Nobodywas speaking for you but it appears that you seem to have problems >>with the fact that I would risk my own life to save my cats. You say don''t [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >http://tinyurl.com/t7d6 LOL!!!!!!! ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >Nobodywas speaking for you but it appears that you seem to have problems You missed a space between 'nobody' and 'was'. >with the fact that I would risk my own life to save my cats. You say don''t ^^ This is incorrect. >try and turn this into being about you but yet you have tried to put me down >and make me look like some kind of crazy person for seeing my cats the way I >do. In other words you have done nothing but lay judgment on me when you say >I have been doing it. You have been pretty hypocritical if you ask me. Into >the killfile you go. > CP - You are unbelievable. Don't you dare try to speak for me and > what [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You're > a real piece of work. Don't think I didn't notice how he tried to bait me with that comment about Bonnie and her cage. I noted that he didn't have anything to even say when I said she'd been out of it for months. lol >>You just reminded me of a COPS episode where a neighboring apartment >>was on fire and the cops were going door to door ordering people out. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > And no, we shouldn't by proxy risk other people's lives to save our pets, no > matter how much we love them. Another thing is that these evacuators *make* you leave. It doesn't matter what is in your house. During fires, even if your child is in the building *you* have to get out, and *they* will rescue the child or pet if they are able. Of course, more effort will be made for a child than a pet but I've heard some really great stories of police and firemen risking severe injury to get someone's pet out. They are even making little oxygen masks for our furry and feathered friends. Anyway, I digress. The point is, sometimes you *literally* don't have a choice. You *have* to go even if they have to drag you out. K Of course, more effort will be made for a child > than a pet but I've heard some really great stories of police and > firemen risking severe injury to get someone's pet out. Years ago there was a fire in the apt building I used to live in and Marley, my only cat at the time, hid up inside the couch during the commotion. I couldn't find him and the electricity had already been shut off making it hard to even find clothes to put on. The firemen *made* me leave wrapped in a blanket without clothes, and of course without my cat. The fire wasn't in my apt but the apt that was burning had a litter of kittens and they went in and rescued each one even when they were hiding. They didn't give up until the owners said they had them all. Once the fire was out they let me back in and helped me find Marley. I'm sure if my apt was burning they would have looked harder for him sooner. Great guys those firemen were. :) > All I am saying is, I believe people who truly care about their pets would > do all they can to rescue them. My 2 cents. Fires can (and usually do) produce toxic fumes. These fumes will poison you so you may die even if you walk out alive. Fires also produce a huge amount of carbon dioxide and consume huge amounts of oxygen. So walking around in a burning house may suffocate you. High carbon dioxide and low oxygen will make you dizzy and you will faint, and therefore, die, unless someone goes in to rescue you. The temperature is also unbearable. You might get severely burned even if you do not walk near the fire. I can think of only one safe way to try to save a cat. Buy two or three (or more if you live in a big house) sodium bicarbonate fire extinguishers (the same kind you have in your car but you can find bigger ones for your home), learn how to use them, and keep them handy, evenly distributed around the house. If you catch the fire early, you can extinguish it. If not, the best thing you can do is run outside and hope the cats do the same. Real fires are not at all what we see in movies. Now, if you want to really prepare to save your cats, your family, and yourself, call the firemen and see what they recommend. They are fire specialists. Here are some more tips: http://www.bbai.com/Preparing%20For%20a%20Fire.htm >I know I wouldn't leave without them if danger was at my front door. I think >you either care enough to rescue them and them with you or you do not. I did ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is incorrect usage and doesn't even parse. >read that someone who had to evacuate cared enough to take her animals with >her as well as important papers. BTW, you spelled judgmental wrong. > > I'm not sure if most people even have stickers on their houses that say > > there is a cat inside. BTW, everyone has a choice even in an emergency [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > My point is, don't be so judgemental. I'm sure people who had no choice but > to leave their pets behind are devastated. Or you may have young children to take with you. Presumably, those young children are more important than any animal. If you're read the news, some people were awoken in the middle of the night, with police banging on their door telling them they have 10 minutes. >> > I'm not sure if most people even have stickers on their houses that say >> > there is a cat inside. BTW, everyone has a choice even in an emergency [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >news, some people were awoken in the middle of the night, with police >banging on their door telling them they have 10 minutes. Why is it an either/or question? If there's potential danger but you're not yet to the point of needing to evacuate and possibly won't need to evacuate, you can at least prepare. And preparing might involve restricting all the cats to a room or two so that you're not looking over the whole house for them at the last minute. You'll likely be making other preparations, too, so this will just be part of the larger process. Temporarily keeping the cats in one room for their own safety isn't unreasonable under the circumstances. Daria Timing is everything. A very nice suggestion. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Why is it an either/or question? If there's potential danger but you're not > yet to the point of needing to evacuate and possibly won't need to evacuate, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Daria > Timing is everything. > >> > I'm not sure if most people even have stickers on their houses that say > >> > there is a cat inside. BTW, everyone has a choice even in an emergency [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > Daria > Timing is everything. I don't know why people have to be awoken in the middle of the night and given just 10 minutes leave. Either they're all stupid or they were given the impression that they're not in danger or something. If authorities think that a community is in danger, they will first give you a voluntary evacuation warning well before a mandatory evacuation is in effect. But what I'm saying is, for whatever reason, if you're just given 10 minutes, I'd rather make sure my family (wife and young children) is safe before risking their lives to look for my cat/s. I have a cousin in one of the affected areas and apparently they had a couple of evacuations. Luckily, his family had a game plan in case an emergency should happen. They had a vehicle ready with supplies such as clothes, food and water for the animals, humans, etc. Most people should have done this. Instead most apt for the "it can't possibly happen here" theory. Then when it happens they go through the 10 minute rush. Hard to believe that some leave animals behind when that should be one of the main things on the list. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Ray Ban" <ray2003092003@yahoo.com> wrote in message > I don't know why people have to be awoken in the middle of the night > and given just 10 minutes leave. Either they're all stupid or they > were given the impression that they're not in danger or something. If [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > just given 10 minutes, I'd rather make sure my family (wife and young > children) is safe before risking their lives to look for my cat/s. It looks like more people are evacuating with their animals. Check out the following at http://www.noahswish.org/Disaster%20Updates.htm SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > I just saw on the news that an a rescue team from the AHS here in Phoenix is > on its way to the San Diego area to help out. The unit will include five AHS [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > AHS efforts you can see the following on their Web Site at > http://www.azhumane.org/artimgr/publish/article_145.shtml. Asia Carrera, an adult film actress who lives in a Chatsworth townhome, fled with her two cats in her metallic blue Corvette. She packed some clothes and her computer because she also runs an online porn business. In what order do you think her list of 5 Cs were: Carrera (self), Cats, Corvette, Clothes, Computer. It seems plenty of people have managed to take their animals with them. I just have to wonder how Ms. Carrera was able to fit everything in the corvette considering the car is not that large. Two cat carriers, clothes, and a computer would fill the vehicle up. Of course if the computer is a laptop then at least you have some space. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Asia Carrera, an adult film actress who lives in a Chatsworth > townhome, fled with her two cats in her metallic blue Corvette. She [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > In what order do you think her list of 5 Cs were: Carrera (self), > Cats, Corvette, Clothes, Computer. >It seems plenty of people have managed to take their animals with them. I >just have to wonder how Ms. Carrera was able to fit everything in the >corvette considering the car is not that large. Two cat carriers, clothes, The word Corvette should be capitalized. >and a computer would fill the vehicle up. Of course if the computer is a >laptop then at least you have some space. Quite correct. Here is the corrected version. It seems plenty of people have managed to take their animals with them. I just have to wonder how Ms. Carrera was able to fit everything in the Corvette considering the car is not that large. Two cat carriers, clothes, and a computer would fill the vehicle up. Of course if the computer is a laptop then at least you have some space. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > The word Corvette should be capitalized. >From: Instant Karma >>It seems plenty of people have managed to take their animals with them. I >>just have to wonder how Ms. Carrera was able to fit everything in the >>corvette considering the car is not that large. Two cat carriers, clothes, > >The word Corvette should be capitalized. LOL!!!! ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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