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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / November 2003Pet Food Recall
I had never heard of this food before, but someone told me about it being recalled due to causing deaths, so just in case someone does feed this brand, here is the link about the recall: http://beta.kpix.com/external/sendoff.html?http://www.petcurean.com/recall.html Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > I had never heard of this food before, but someone told me about it being > recalled due to causing deaths, so just in case someone does feed this brand, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Lauren This happened to a coworker of a friend of mine. This woman's dog had some kind of liver failure due to eating this food. Apparently, five cases showed up in Contra Costa County, CA, so they knew something was going on. According to the email I got, four of the five dogs passed away before they could do anything. This woman's dog was a puppy, but was the fifth dog in four days to arrive at this special clinic. As of last Tuesday, the puppy was hanging on. It had dialysis, IV, blood transfusion, a liver biopsy, and an ultrasound to check its other organs. I'm glad you found the link. It's a really unfortunate situation and I wanted to share it with my friends who own dogs. I was searching for "Go!" pet food and couldn't find anything on the mfr. Hope this doesn't affect any more dogs, Warren  Signature----------------------------------------------------------- Great gifts for cat lovers at http://www.officiallycute.com >From: Warren O greatgifts@officiallycuteREMOVE.THIScom > This woman's dog was a puppy, but >was the fifth dog in four days to arrive at this special clinic. As of >last Tuesday, the puppy was hanging on. It had dialysis, IV, blood >transfusion, a liver biopsy, and an ultrasound to check its other organs. Oh no, I'm so sorry to hear about the puppy. I hope he makes it. >I'm glad you found the link. It's a really unfortunate situation and I >wanted to share it with my friends who own dogs. I was searching for >"Go!" pet food and couldn't find anything on the mfr. > >Hope this doesn't affect any more dogs, >Warren Me too :( I would love to know what they discover in this food that caused these deaths. Very scarey thing. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >>From: Warren O greatgifts@officiallycuteREMOVE.THIScom > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Oh no, I'm so sorry to hear about the puppy. I hope he makes it. http://beta.kpix.com/news/local/2003/10/24/More_Deaths_Linked_to_High%2DEnd_Pet_ Food.html Unfortunately, I heard he did not make it. This is Rocky's picture and (although I didn't see it) his story aired on local TV. Warren Signature----------------------------------------------------------- Great gifts for cat lovers at http://www.officiallycute.com >From: Warren O greatgifts@officiallycuteREMOVE.THIScom >>>From: Warren O greatgifts@officiallycuteREMOVE.THIScom >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Warren I'm so sorry about the puppy, Warren. That video is so heartbreaking :( Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > Unfortunately, I heard he did not make it. This is Rocky's picture and > (although I didn't see it) his story aired on local TV. > > Warren Warren, do you know if these sick dogs were tested for leptospirosis? The symptoms match. Lepto is a very serious disease and if not diagnosed and treated quickly, will kill in most cases. Cats have a natural high resistance to the disease. I heard some cats were also affected. Do you know how the cats are doing? http://www.labbies.com/lepto.htm No, I'm pretty sure it was the pet food that caused it. They had a recall and everything. Warren >>Unfortunately, I heard he did not make it. This is Rocky's picture and >>(although I didn't see it) his story aired on local TV. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > http://www.labbies.com/lepto.htm Signature----------------------------------------------------------- Great gifts for cat lovers at http://www.officiallycute.com I just remembered the fires going on in California. Wild animals are probably invading the cities in affected areas and the possibility of bringing lepto with them is definitively something to consider. Lepto is a danger to people too. Analytical data on Go!Natural This was a Whole Dog Journal "Recommended" food. "As of today I received confirmation of the levels of heavy metals in the Go Natural dog food we had independently tested. Those tests reveal high levels of the following heavy metals: Metal Normal PPM Go Natural Dog Food Tested Copper 7-10 ppm 42.4 ppm Iron 140 ppm 431 ppm Zinc 80-130 ppm 625 ppm The University of Missouri, in conjunction with the University of Michigan, who performed the testing, reported on these metal contents as follows: "What appeared to be the most significant was that Iron (Fe), copper (Cu), and zinc (Zn) were all present in concentrations significantly greater than what is reported to be normal in canine diets. The concentrations of Fe, Cu, and Zn in this sample of dog food were 431 ppm, 42.4 ppm, and 625 ppm respectively. The normal ranges for these three metals are reported to be 140 ppm, 7 to 10 ppm, and 80 to 130 ppm respectively". Also detected, but not felt significant at this juncture was an insecticide of ant origin called Iridomyrmecin. The report stated as follows: "A sample of dog food was sent to the Animal Health Diagnostic Laboratory for GC-MS analysis. Iridomyrmecin was detected in the dog food by a computer match only. Little is known about this compound other than it is an insecticide of ant origin. Further testing can be done to determine the amount of this compound in the dog food, but its significance, at least for the time-being, is presumably less than the measured concentrations of Fe, Cu, and Zn in this dog food." It was recommended "it may be advisable to consult with a canine nutritionist on the significance of some of these concentrations of metals." Susan G. Wynn, DVM Woodstock GA >From: rosebrook@sbcglobal.net (Steve Crane) >Analytical data on Go!Natural >This was a Whole Dog Journal "Recommended" food. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >Susan G. Wynn, DVM >Woodstock GA So bizarre and so sad for these poor animals. I wonder how the ant poison got in there and also the heavy metals. The numbers were so high. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > So bizarre and so sad for these poor animals. I wonder how the ant poison got > in there and also the heavy metals. The numbers were so high. That is still unknown. There is one pet food manufacturer in Texas that also produces lawn and garden fertilizers. I have no idea if this is the same manufacturing plant that produced the Go!Natural product, but it is a possible scenario. It is possible that some raw ingredient intended for lawn maintenance purposes was mistakenly used in pet food manufacturing. We'll have to wait for final analyticals on the ant insecticide to see if that is indeed what was in the food, and if the quantities in the food could be an issue. >From: rosebrook@sbcglobal.net (Steve Crane) >> So bizarre and so sad for these poor animals. I wonder how the ant poison >got [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >insecticide to see if that is indeed what was in the food, and if the >quantities in the food could be an issue. Thanks, Steve. Could you let me know if you find out more? I hope it was a mistake and not some intentional thing on the part of some sick individual. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >Metal Normal PPM Go Natural Dog Food Tested >Copper 7-10 ppm 42.4 ppm >Iron 140 ppm 431 ppm >Zinc 80-130 ppm 625 ppm There´s something very inconsistent here. According to the AAFCO, maintenance diets for dogs should have: Iron Min 80 ppm Max 3000 ppm Zinc Min 120 ppm Max 1000 ppm Copper Min 7.3 ppm Max 250 ppm So all metals in that food are well within the allowances. Therefore, intoxication was *not* due to those metals. Iridomyrmecin - a poison produced by the Argentine ant. This ant has spread across southern and western USA. So, if there is any contamination of this poison, it would affect all crops, animals, and soil in those areas. The contamination would be insignificant. These ants are also found in large numbers in urban areas. Most people who live in these areas probably have these ants at home. I do not believe the deaths of these animals are at all related to this poison. If that´s all they found in the food, the problem is *not* in the food. I wonder what else these pets have in common besides the food. I also found an interesting article: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/10/25/BAG5R2JDFA1.DTL "But he said there may be up to 1,500 bags that were purchased recently by customers. So far, a little more than 100 bags have been returned." Are more dogs coming in sick? What else do these dogs and cats have in common????? Were they all vaccinated in the same clinic for example? What is sad is that something like this can really destroy a company even if it´s proven innocent. > If that´s all they found in the food, the problem is *not* in the > food. I wonder what else these pets have in common besides the food. I > also found an interesting article: You only find what you are looking for. If you don't test for aflatoxins for example you will not find them. So far testing for such toxins has not been released. Nor is it known if such testing has even been done. I pick on aflatoxins because in drought conditions, the incidence of aflatoxins increases. Texas has been in drought for some time. Accordingly making a statement that the "the problem is *not* in the food" is without foundation. The only link so far established between animals in a farily wide geographic area, different clinics, different cities, different breeds, different species - has been a single brand of food. > > If that´s all they found in the food, the problem is *not* in the > > food. > You only find what you are looking for. No, not with GC-MS. http://www.scientific.org/tutorials/articles/gcms.html > If you don't test for aflatoxins for example you will not find them. The probability of GC-MS not detecting something, whatever it may be, is very small. > Accordingly making a statement that the "the problem is *not* in the > food" is without foundation. Did you read carefully? *IF* that´s all they found in the food... It´s not a statement, it´s a possibility. Two universities and a lab tested the food. I find it hard to believe the three of them missed something, specially using GC-MS. So far, nothing has been found in the food. > The only link so far established between > animals in a farily wide geographic area, different clinics, different > cities, different breeds, different species - has been a single brand > of food. Every report I´ve read so far mentions only SF bay area. Do you have the link to any with more and/or updated info? > > You only find what you are looking for. > > No, not with GC-MS. > http://www.scientific.org/tutorials/articles/gcms.html What makes you think they have utilized this type of test? I have certainly seen nothing to indicate they have. > > If you don't test for aflatoxins for example you will not find them. > > Accordingly making a statement that the "the problem is *not* in the > > food" is without foundation. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > something, specially using GC-MS. So far, nothing has been found in > the food. > If that´s all they found in the food, the problem is *not* in the > food. I wonder what else these pets have in common besides the food. I > also found an interesting article: The above was your statement. The emphasis on *not* tends to present a finite opinion. I have seen no testing data yet on the presence of mold toxins. Typically such tests take considerable time to get reported. Until I see a negative results - my vote will remain with that possibility. > > The only link so far established between > > animals in a farily wide geographic area, different clinics, different [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Every report I´ve read so far mentions only SF bay area. Do you have > the link to any with more and/or updated info? If I recall your conclusion was based on the possible use of a vaccine, something in the water, or some other common denominator *besides* the food. It is highly unlikely that different clinics, even in the same small city, would have common exposure to a single lot of vaccine, antibiotics or anything else. As indicated by Dr. Jubiak, there is no other known common denominator. Certainly all things are remotely possible, but as of yet there is no other common denominator. > What makes you think they have utilized this type of test? I have > certainly seen nothing to indicate they have. LOL. Did you read the article you posted? "A sample of dog food was sent to the Animal Health Diagnostic Laboratory for GC-MS analysis." A good university has that too, and a good university also has NMR spectroscopy. And if they are serious when they analyse a sample, they use every technique they deem necessary. No organic molecule would escape the "eyes" of NMR spectroscopy. > > Did you read carefully? *IF* that´s all they found in the food... It´s > > not a statement, it´s a possibility. Two universities and a lab tested [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The above was your statement. The emphasis on *not* tends to present a > finite opinion. If..... introduces a *conditional* clause. The emphasis on *not* presents a final opinion *IF* that´s all they found in the food. I´m starting to think you really believe the things you say about phosphorus. Now I can see why. > > Every report I´ve read so far mentions only SF bay area. Do you have > > the link to any with more and/or updated info? > > If I recall your conclusion was based on the possible use of a > vaccine, something in the water, or some other common denominator > *besides* the food. "What else do these dogs and cats have in common????? Were they all vaccinated in the same clinic for example?" You recall wrong. Question mark: A punctuation mark (?) placed at the end of a sentence to indicate a *question*. > I´m > starting to think you really believe the things you say about > phosphorus. Now I can see why. I'm guessing you didn't read the ~40 or so citations I gave you in this regard then? > So bizarre and so sad for these poor animals. I wonder how the ant > poison got in there and also the heavy metals. The numbers were so high. Very bizarre indeed. Small amounts of extra iron will produce soft greenish poop. As amount increases, poop will become even more liquid and greenish. I find it hard to believe that people continued feeding their animals a food that produced such poop. And this poop stinks pretty bad too. Oops.. Copper, not iron.. > Oops.. Copper, not iron.. Actually iron causes green poop in infants, so it might do the same in cats... -L. |
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