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Linda Hartley - 21 Oct 2003 21:08 GMT
My special friend is Yogi, 17 years old.
He has had 6 vets in his lifetime and each has been different in their
approach to diagnosing and treating any illness he has had.
I would just like to say that in his last days I have done a lot of soul
searching and net searching...latterly, hopelessly, thinking I would find a
wonder cure for him. He had a lot of abcesses in his earlier years as he was
a 'defender' (not a scrapper), was often sick although it usually turned out
to be furballs. When he was 12 he was hit by a car and I nursed him at home,
as no treatment was given by the vet as she said he had fractured his hipand
not to let him jump up or down. So  spent the week on a mattress/floor all
day and night with him.
When he was 11 I was told not to bother with leakemia vaccine for him as if
he hasnt contracted it by now he never will.
When he was 14 he had started being sick and having diarrohea and lost
weight. Took him to the vet,(after a lot of searching in Manchester trying
to find one that seemed to have time,let alone care, large practices seem to
be in it for the turn over! ..some with vets that cannot speak english well
enough) to whom we said money is no object!! what a cheque to write eh?...
but this was my friend whom I love deeply. He did all the tests and showed
us X rays that showed Yogi had thickening of the bowel walls and that he has
hypothyroidism. So three times aday Yogi was to have 5mg of
Neomercazol....this vetr was adamant this dosage could never be reduced
(although I have read since that it could be) and never explained further or
treated further the bowel wall thickening.(Having since read that this could
lead to lyphoma I wonder why he didn't) All I ever hear from Vets oh! he's a
good age...after all he's such and such an age....age is in my opinion only
relative when they get to around 19-20.
Yogi had in the last year had bouts of sickness once again and diarrohea,
this last spring was pretty bad his faces being yellow and very smelly. The
vet we currently have(and we live on an island so its not easy to say change
your vet) didnt respond until i pushed him for blood tests and faces test.
The latter he didnt want to do, so I found a specimen bottle at our doctors
and gave him that...nothin forthcoming for up to ten days and then
eventually I was told oh there was nothing. Blood tests all ok, only what
you would expect in a 'cat of his age'...what does this b...well mean for G
sake! Anyhow some probiotic mix later his tum settles a bit although it
continues to give problems from time to time...then....he is losing weight
and his appetite is slowing. You might think this is an older cat and so his
appetite will lessen and I would normally agree but I know my cat and I know
when his appetite is lessening due to 'age'...this wasn't. The same vet
examine him and said ,due he says to him being an FELv cat...as I confirmed
he had not been vaccinated against leukimia as the previous but one vet had
said not to bother,....he has alimentary lymphosarcoma.  No tests no nothing
this is by feel of his abdomen alone. Nothing can be done he says. No
referral to Glasgow nothing.To top it all he told us to take Yogi off his
neomercazol. SO I find another vet who treats with Homeopathy, having read
in magazines etc about these vets thinking they can help him even if its
palliative...this one seemed pretty vague about what to do...nothing like
you see on the TV or read in the mags etc...(is it my fault for believing
these things...why is it all these other animals seem to be treated well
...am I just angry am I a bad judge of 'vet'..) when I asked of a nosode of
lymphosarcoma she treats him with phosphorus...which doesnt seem to be about
his immune system as she said but since finding out that this is more about
helping his symptoms of digestion/diarrohea/vomiting...he hate sthis one I
can tell you. However, she did dispense a muchroom based tablet which is
being used for HIV in humans and is apparently helpful in cancer in cats.
This does seem to have helped Yogi in  palliative treatment. She at least
was willing to refer us to Glasgow.When we finally get to Glasgow...there is
such a waiting list!...after an examination we are told that Yogi should
nopt have come off his neomercazol and that either form of treatment
...chemo or surgery would be difficult in Yogi's case, his kidneys have
seeds on them and are small....due to previous kidney traumas. His weight
loss hasbn't helped...due in part ot weight loss after being taken off the
thyroid drug...she told us to put him back on his thyroid drug, which we
have done and he seems ok for it. Basically nothing can be done as she said
he has either adenocarcinoma or alimentary lymphosarcoma. The former would
require surgery adn the latter would need chem.
So here we are at home and I am desolate and devastated....all I wanted was
a vet to treat Yogi properly at each and every occasion...not to consider
the cost....but to consider all the possibilities each time adn follwoing
examinations to treat properly...not be lackadaisical or take short
cuts...some of these vets never did an initial exam...such as listening to
heart/lungs, atking temperature or smelling this breath.....
The worst part is I know that I will have to argue with this vet to get him
to do a home visit when the time comes for Yogi to pass on.
If any vets ever read this...please remember these aniamls are not 'Just
cats' as one vet said to me....they hold a special place in their human
friends hearts, mean a great deal to them, ...all we ask is you treat them
with respect, care and pay attention to each animal being uniquely different
so look at their symptoms and pay attention to detail....if need be ask
whether money is an issue...you may be surprised that there are some of us
out here for whom we would spend whatever it takes to make our friends feel
well again and whole....or at least help them to feel good as we would our
human friends and relatives. For me Yogi has been my friend, confidante,
surrogate child and soul mate and I know that in the next life I will see
him again....that will make up for the pain I am going through now feeling
that I didnt fight enough for him or find the right vets to take proper care
of him.
Please if you are going to be a Vet ....you must like animals and continue
to like them throughut your career as one...never for a moment forget these
ar sentient beings.
Apologies for those of you who think I am nuts but I care passionately about
animals...who cannot speak up for themselves..so someone has to.
kaeli - 21 Oct 2003 22:31 GMT
> My special friend is Yogi, 17 years old.
<snip>

I am very sorry to hear of Yogi's decline. Purrs from my furkids and I
to yours.

> So here we are at home and I am desolate and devastated....all I wanted was
> a vet to treat Yogi properly at each and every occasion...not to consider
> the cost....but to consider all the possibilities each time adn follwoing
> examinations to treat properly...not be lackadaisical or take short
> cuts...some of these vets never did an initial exam...such as listening to
> heart/lungs, atking temperature or smelling this breath.....

Unfortunately, many vets, and many doctors, too, just don't seem to care
as much as we'd expect. If you lived somewhere with more choices, it
would have been easier for you to "vote with your feet".
I should add my sentiments that vets should actually give a damn about
animals.

> If any vets ever read this...please remember these aniamls are not 'Just
> cats' as one vet said to me

Makes me wonder why this person became a vet...

> ....they hold a special place in their human
> friends hearts, mean a great deal to them,

Yes, they do.
I love my cats. If anyone told me it's just a cat, I'd likely give them
a good smack. Well, at least I'd WANT to.

Losing a beloved pet is never easy for those of us who see them as more
than "just pets". I wish you and Yogi all the best and know you'll see
Yogi at the Rainbow Bridge.

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Cheryl - 22 Oct 2003 01:35 GMT
[...]
> Apologies for those of you who think I am nuts but I care
> passionately about animals...who cannot speak up for themselves..so
> someone has to.

You're not nuts. I'm sorry you've gone through this and a lot of us
are right here with you.  I think this is part of why forums like this
have evolved, because vets don't know everything nor will they
probably ever.  Just like human doctors.  We have to arm ourselves
with information to help them help our friends.  Sounds so unfair, I
know.  :(  I think more of them need to defer to specialists faster;
before money runs out, before they have exhausted all of their own
knowledge.  Defer to the ones who've seen more.

Take care,
Cheryl
-L. - 22 Oct 2003 07:58 GMT
> [...]
> > Apologies for those of you who think I am nuts but I care
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> before money runs out, before they have exhausted all of their own
> knowledge.  Defer to the ones who've seen more.

I totally agree.  I  personally prefer feline specialists because
they've seen more cases, have seen the rare cases, and IME, will cut
to the chase.  I just had a vet recommend $800 worth of diagnostics,
whereas the feline vet said "Why?  If you want to know what's up, go
to surgery".  I appreciated that.

OTOH, vets don't have all the answers, and that's probably the most
frustrating thing for them to deal with - to have a case which just
doesn't respond as expected.

Another thing is people expect vets to be able to work miracles.
Sometimes there isn't anything more you can do for an animal.  A good
vet will tell you this outright.  A not-so-good vet will keep taking
your money.  It's hard to tell the difference, sometimes.

-L.
MacCandace - 24 Oct 2003 04:53 GMT
<< Another thing is people expect vets to be able to work miracles.
Sometimes there isn't anything more you can do for an animal.  A good
vet will tell you this outright.  A not-so-good vet will keep taking
your money.  It's hard to tell the difference, sometimes.

-L. >>

I think a lot of what vets do is guesswork...well, human docs also, but vets
have the distinct disadvantage of not being able to talk to their patients, ask
them how they feel, where it hurts, etc.  I think it would be very frustrating.

When I was in my early 20s and had just moved to Phoenix (almost 30 years ago
now) and was looking for a job, I applied with a vet.  I don't even remember if
it was as a tech or office help or what but I went to his house and he and his
wife interviewed me.  I told him how much I loved animals, in an effort to get
the job, and he told me that wasn't really a good thing in this case...that
it's better to remain detached and impersonal when dealing with the animals so
you don't get upset by what you deal with.  I didn't get the job and it has
always made me wonder, with every vet I have ever gone to, if they care about
animals at all or if it's just a job.  I suppose it's some of each but that
comment has stuck with me all this time...sometimes I look at my vet and wonder
if he gives a crap at all and if he cares about his own pets the way I care
about mine.

Candace
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Meghan Noecker - 24 Oct 2003 08:11 GMT
>I think a lot of what vets do is guesswork...well, human docs also, but vets
>have the distinct disadvantage of not being able to talk to their patients, ask
>them how they feel, where it hurts, etc.  I think it would be very frustrating.

I think a good vet knows typical behavior and has a good idea of what
to ask. And also knows enough to trust the owners.

When my 11 year old cat was just a kitten, she got sick. To me, she
was quite lethargic, but this was because she was overly active,
troublesome kitten. At the vet's office, she didn't show any problems
except being dehydrated. But I was really worried - I knew something
was very wrong. He went with his gut and prescribed antibiotics even
though he didn't see anything wrong. He figured she might have a
virus, and this would prevent secondary infection. She was feeling
much better after that, and the next day, I discovered the problem.
Two extremely infected ears. You see, this kitten had the fluffiest
ears on earth, and you could not see the infected wounds on them. I
mentioned them to my sister, and she couldn't find them until I
pointed them out. The larger one was the size of a dime and you could
see a ring of pus. The antibiotics were exactly what she needed, so
his gut instinct had been correct. A week later, I saw herharrassing
my older cat, who then bit her on the ear. So, I'm pretty sure that
that notch on my cat's ear is a reminder of my first cat.

I have also had other times where the vet was really good and listened
to me. I have a sheltie who yelped when I was just barely squeezed
her. She was on the couch facing me, and I had my hands on her sides
and pulled her to me. I did not squeeze hard, and no healthy dog would
have yelped. Knowing she had been abused and kicked by her previous
owner, I figured she had an old injury, maybe a broken rib or
something. So, I took her to the vet to be x-rayed. I just wanted to
know so I didn't hurt her again. The vet listened, asked questions,
but found nothing. He did the x-ray anyway and discovered an enlarged
heart.

I think a good vet has to be able to read the animals as best they can
as well as get an idea of whether they can trust what the human says.
Some people may really be tuned into their animal and can honestly
give an accurate statement of the health and behavior, while some
people may have no clue.

For example, I have been very tuned to my cats and dogs, and the vets
have been surprised at how early I have caught the problems. I just
know when something is wrong.

I always knew I knew them well, but I didn't realize how much until I
got a stray who had been hit by a car. I paid the vet bill so that I
could keep him. He had a broken jaw, an eye that was blinded and had
to be sewn shut til the tear ducts worked again, and some othe
problems. He was very underweight, and was approximately 8 months old.
At the time, he seemed to be improving and did gain weight for a
little while. He then went through several days of getting sick, went
back to the vet a couple times, and seemed to be on the mend. Then he
took a turn for the worse and died in the middle of the night. I was
hoping to get him to the vet before it opened, but he didn't make it.
I only had him for 2 weeks. I know I did the best I could, but I am
sure I would have done things differently if I had known him prior to
bieng hit by a car. I have no idea what he was like on a good day, so
while he seemed happy and doing well, he could have been very stoic.
In this case, I was just like a vet, guessing how he felt, and not
really knowing him as an individual. And sometimes, we guess wrong.

>always made me wonder, with every vet I have ever gone to, if they care about
>animals at all or if it's just a job.  I suppose it's some of each but that
>comment has stuck with me all this time...sometimes I look at my vet and wonder
>if he gives a crap at all and if he cares about his own pets the way I care
>about mine.

I do think that most of them care very much. And I admire for them
being able to do such a tough job. But I suspect that they go through
a lot of assistants, because many thin it is ideal to help animals and
just aren't tough enough.

When I was young, I wanted to be a vet. Then I learned that you have
to put down animals. I understand the need, and I have made the choice
myself twice. But there is no way that I could physcially do it myself
without crying, and you can't have the vet crying on the clients.

When I took my dog into be put down, the vet came out and sadly said
this was his 5th dog that day. As much as I was upset over losing my
dog, I felt so bad for him. What a crappy day. They must have some
great highs when they save lives, but they must have a lot of bad lows
too. Especially, when you think of all the people who don't recognize
problems until they are too late, or they put off care for one reason
or another. Or the people who want the animal put down for
convenience. It must be very hard for them to deal with that on a
daily basis.

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Sherry - 24 Oct 2003 13:37 GMT
>I suppose it's some of each but that
>comment has stuck with me all this time...sometimes I look at my vet and
>wonder
>if he gives a crap at all and if he cares about his own pets the way I care
>about mine.

Over the last four years I've been able to tell which vets really give a crap
by the way they treat us when we bring in shelter cats. Some would charge us
full price. Some would treat the cat llike a throwaway. One jewel this month
re-broke and re-set a Border Collie's leg, put a pin in it, and treated the dog
like a $5,000 patient. He charged us nothing. What goes around comes around,
and we have been able to send many, many new clients to the vets who help and
show compassion to our animals. The others we don't criticize to the public, of
course, but we never recommend them either.
Sherry
Karen M. - 25 Oct 2003 03:55 GMT
>>I suppose it's some of each but that
>>comment has stuck with me all this time...sometimes I look at my vet and
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> course, but we never recommend them either.
> Sherry

Which is a great way to show vets that reduced-fee services for shelters
can pay off in a big way! :) A lot of the groups around here do the
same, any many list on their website or newsletter which vets help them
out.
PawsForThought - 24 Oct 2003 13:42 GMT
>From: maccandace@aol.comlitter  (MacCandace)

><< Another thing is people expect vets to be able to work miracles.
>Sometimes there isn't anything more you can do for an animal.  A good
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
>Candace

Yeah, good question.  What I will never understand is how vets can declaw cats.
If they truly cared about the health and well-being of the cat, they could
never declaw it, you know?

Lauren
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DG511 - 24 Oct 2003 19:26 GMT
My wonderful vet owns two cats and a dog, and she pretty much applies the
golden rule at her clinic:  do unto other people's pets as you would have
others do unto your  own pets.  Or something like that.

But there's a lot of guesswork at certain points.  Years ago, one of my first
cats came down with a rare cancer (mast cell leukemia), and my vet had no idea
what to do because at the time (and maybe still) there were no protocols for
handling it.  She spent hours of her own time calling to her old vet med
professors and other sources, researching in the library and on the Internet
(which was new at that point), and otherwise trying to track down a solution.
She got little useful advice, so in the end, she laid out for me the various
options and we discussed them.  She was clearly perplexed, but I gave her all
the credit in the world for trying.  And not only did she not want any
reimbursement for the research time (I offered), she also would not charge me
for the appointment we had to discuss the case, since she didn't feel she was
offering me much.

So yeah, there are some good ones out there, but even they don't have all the
answers.

Daria
Timing is everything.
jody c - 22 Jun 2005 17:37 GMT
my cat has mast cell leukemia. can you tell me more about what happened to
your cat, what treatments you chose, how effective they were and how long
your cat survived? many, many thanks.

>My wonderful vet owns two cats and a dog, and she pretty much applies the
>golden rule at her clinic:  do unto other people's pets as you would have
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>Daria
>Timing is everything.
-L. - 28 Oct 2003 09:12 GMT
> >From: maccandace@aol.comlitter  (MacCandace)
>  
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>
> Lauren

I agree, but many vets don't think it is a bad practice.  I once
worked for a vet who declawed all of his own cats and lets them
outside.  His main-line excuse was the "declaw or euthanize" blackmail
line.  Yet he did declaws routinely - 12 week old kittens, 10 year old
cats - I've seen it all.  I once figured out that he brought in approx
90-100K/year doing declaws alone.  IMO, THAT is why he continued to do
them.

-L.
PawsForThought - 28 Oct 2003 14:48 GMT
>From: k3_e81@yahoo.com  (-L.)

>> >From: maccandace@aol.comlitter  (MacCandace)
>>  
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
>90-100K/year doing declaws alone.  IMO, THAT is why he continued to do
>them.

Wow, that is a lot of money.  I bet you're right and that's exactly why he did
it :(
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Warren O - 27 Oct 2003 01:27 GMT
[snip]
> When I was in my early 20s and had just moved to Phoenix (almost 30 years ago
> now) and was looking for a job, I applied with a vet.  I don't even remember if
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> if he gives a crap at all and if he cares about his own pets the way I care
> about mine.

Maybe that vet didn't put it in the right words. Our vet said in an
interview that if you really want to be a veterinarian, you should
volunteer at an animal shelter, first. That way, you'll see the downside
of dealing with animals that are hurt, sick, scared, vomiting, etc. If
you can deal with that on a daily basis, you'll probably be okay with
being a vet.

I give vets and clinic staff credit; they have to see animals at their
worst and pet owners at their worst. I couldn't do what they do and I
love animals. Why? Because I couldn't tell a little girl that "Fluffy"
isn't coming home with her because she had to "cross the bridge." Every
job has its ups and downs. I don't think I could handle the downs of
that job.

Warren

PS. your vet probably cares about his/her pets as much as you do yours.
They just can't wear their emotions on their sleeves at work.

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Justin Case - 22 Oct 2003 03:23 GMT
> My special friend is Yogi, 17 years old.
> He has had 6 vets in his lifetime and each has been different in their
[quoted text clipped - 89 lines]
> Apologies for those of you who think I am nuts but I care passionately about
> animals...who cannot speak up for themselves..so someone has to.

Honestly, I wonder sometimes if *some* vets didn't really want to be
human doctors instead... but since they could not achieve that settled
on being a vet since *some* of them seem to have the attitude "...its
only an animal...".

I went to one vet who seemed more sales oriented than anything else...
tryna convince me of the merits of declawing.

Sorry about the grief you are going through.
MGW - 22 Oct 2003 14:48 GMT
>Honestly, I wonder sometimes if *some* vets didn't really want to be
>human doctors instead... but since they could not achieve that settled
>on being a vet since *some* of them seem to have the attitude "...its
>only an animal...".

I don't know how it is in other countries, but in the U.S. it's harder
to get into vet school than into med school.
Karen - 22 Oct 2003 04:17 GMT
I just wanted to say, I think Yogi has done amazingly well considering the
problems he has had. Unfortunately, it sounds like you live in an area where
there are vets that probably treat mainly large farm animals and dogs. It's
sounds very rural. I want you to know some vets do care very much. I know my
vet does and I know how fortunate I am. Recently, too, there was a thread on
alt.med.veterinary where a vet has been very heart broken over a very old
sick dog that really truly was in pain and nothing was left to help and the
owners could not face letting him go. He died in a very agonizing way at the
vets and you can tell this vet is really torn up about it. I think Yogi
knows you love him, I think you have found some palliative care yourself you
know is working. It is unfortunate but their time with us is always briefer
than we want it to be, as is our time with our family and friends. I hope
that Yogi stays with you as long as he is comfortable and when his distress
is too much you can love him enough to let him go peacefully and not in
pain. It is all we can do to take care of our little friends and try to
understand them as best we can. He sounds very fortunate to have someone to
love him all these years so much when so many suffer without love, animals
and humans alike. My fondest wishes of a happy life and a happy passing when
the time comes for Yogi. We here on the newsgroup are always here to listen.

Karen
Albert Pike - 22 Oct 2003 05:46 GMT
It's truly unfortunate that incompetents can remain in business. There
must be a regulatory body for vets in your area where you can report
your complaints.
mich - 22 Oct 2003 07:59 GMT
> So here we are at home and I am desolate and devastated....all I wanted was
> a vet to treat Yogi properly at each and every occasion...not to consider
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> The worst part is I know that I will have to argue with this vet to get him
> to do a home visit when the time comes for Yogi to pass on.

I thought this was just me! I live in Cornwall. I had the same problems with
a vet here .  My  last cat died  at the end of last year . I battled for two
years to keep him alive after the vet had said " put him down , he is not
economic anymore".
He had a good  quality of life for those two years once I forced them to
treat him rather than dismiss him (and me). I told them that if he was human
no one would consider putting him down on economic grounds ( what economy? -
He wasnt a "working" animal)  at that stage so treat him .

He was also diagnosed FELv ( and yes I too had tried to get him vaccinated
etc) and  the vet appeared to blame me for his condition and for any other
illnesses he got. Every time I took him to the vet I seemed to be at fault.

In the end I just laid the law down ( I happen to know a lot about human
physiology - and frankly cats are not that different on the basics!)

I dont trust vets ( at least not British ones - cant speak for any other
country).

> If any vets ever read this...please remember these aniamls are not 'Just
> cats' as one vet said to me....they hold a special place in their human
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> well again and whole....or at least help them to feel good as we would our
> human friends and relatives.

YES .VETS NOTE ( especially British ones)
Mary - 22 Oct 2003 16:22 GMT
> > So here we are at home and I am desolate and devastated....all I wanted
> was
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
>
> YES .VETS NOTE ( especially British ones)

I'm so sorry you two have had to fight so to get your dear pets looked
after. I think there might be a partial explanation in what a friend
of mine in US Vet school once told me. He said, "I am going into large
animal vetrinary medicine." I asked why large animals and he said "in
the US in small animal practice you have to be a psychologist for the
pet owners most of the time. I just want to do medicine."

I think in the US in urban areas there are more of the types of vets
who understand what our pets mean to us and make lots of money on it,
whether they care or not.

In more rural areas (and perhaps in the UK too?) vets who mostly work
on livestock etc. are not really accustomed to or trained to deal with
animals who are really more like humans to us.

Just a thought.

My "bottom line" with vets, doctors, etc is this: they work for ME. If
I don't like ANYTHING about them I move on to another that I like
better. But again, this is one of the positive things (among a long
list of negatives) that comes along with living in a large US city.
~*SooZy*~ - 22 Oct 2003 13:55 GMT
I am sorry to hear about your vet :-(
we are really lucky we use a cat clinic in Southsea Portsmouth UK it has 2
female vets who I must say are really lovely vets, caring have all the time
in the world to explain what and why they are doing/treating your cats.
Answer all the questions you ask
The receptionist/nurses are really good too, if I ever have any problems I
can ring them and if the nurse cannot help me, she gets the vet to call me
back.
they are brilliant

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Brandy?Alexandre - 23 Oct 2003 04:22 GMT
Linda Hartley <Linda.Hartley0H2@btinternet.com> wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

> Please if you are going to be a Vet ....you must like animals and
> continue to like them throughut your career as one...never for a
> moment forget these ar sentient beings.
> Apologies for those of you who think I am nuts but I care
> passionately about animals...who cannot speak up for
> themselves..so someone has to.

I couldn't read your whole post (ran to gether) but got the gist of it.  
When my favorite vet at the practice left, I was really annoyed.  She
was recommended by a friend and the one who discovered the kidney
disease in Kami.  This happened when I wanted to get her dental and she
insisted that they do a senior panel on her.  After the discovery, she
suggested we could use a different anesthesia that would protect her
kidneys, etc., and then she made a list of food we could try in order
to get Kami to eat a proper CRF diet.

I started seeing another doctor.  He didn't have a strong accent, but a
harsher sounding one (Israel), and he seemed a little distant and
matter-of-fact.  But after a while I noticed he wasn't always trying to
"sell" me on things.  The last time I asked him about dental, he looked
and said there was some tartar, but no need.  When her punctal ducts
plugged, he said he could try flushing them, but gave it a 50/50 chance
of success which he didn't think was worth the rick under anesthesia,
we could try it when we eventually did a dental.  And so on.

I was going to call for an appointment for her yearly exam today and
didn't have the number.  I plopped his name into Google figuring it
would come up on a directory, but I got two articles that discussed him
and others volunteering to spay and neuter ferals in a special program
out her (one was about doing a record 93 in a day for the program).  I
always got the impression he was a dog person and only dealt with cats
out of professional necessity.  I never would have believed he actually
volunteered time or anything else for cats.  Anyway, at the exam he
said she looked great for her age and recommended against a dental.  
Not because she's doing badly, but because she's doing so well.  He
didn't want to mess with a good thing.  This also nixed the duct
flushing, but he said it's not an urgent matter, just an annoyance.  

He picked at a couple of her teeth, said she was a very good girl and
thought she could be done without anesthesia, giving me the number of a
group that does it.  I asked him about the anesthesia used by the other
vet and said a name for what it might have been (began with a "p"--
"Prop"something, then looked at her chart.  Yes, that was it, but he
said he definitely doesn't like to use it on cats and wouldn't use it
on Kami.  In effect, he turned away a few hundred dollars today.

I don't think you should let one, or even six, bets color your view of
an entire industry.  Common sense and second opinions, not to mention a
right to take you business wherever you please could turn up the gems
you're looking for.

_____________

On a slightly different subject, I was half right about sub-q for the
car trip.  I told him we were traveling by car and he didn't think of
her not eating or drinking until I brought it up.  He didn't think it
was too bad, didn't believe it was worth risking.  He said though she
doesn't need it at this stage, he suggested I learn to give sub-qs and
do it the night before we go, and when we arrive at the hotel, and once
more at the destination, and again if she's having trouble adjusting
and won't drink.  After her blood draw, a tech came him and showed me
how.  Kami didn't fight it, but I can still imagine what it would be
like at home.  Seems easy enough if she's cooperative and I will pick
up supplies closer to the date and do one or two practices before
hitting the road.

I asked him if he knew of a good vet in the new locale.  He said he
wished he did, because he'd like to see Kami get the best care.  He
used to live out there, so I told him if he ever wants to move back,
I'll leave my number...

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Well, would you?

Linda Hartley - 03 Nov 2003 20:40 GMT
Hello all

Thank you all so much for your replies, I was moved literally to tears as
much as when I wrote the first message. THANK YOU SO MUCH, it lifted me up
and I am now able to help Yogi in a more positive frame of mind than when I
wrote it.

To update you with the latest I have since been back to my 'normal' vet to
get Yogi a B12 injection to help his diarrohea and enable him to get
sustance from what he eats. when i arrived my vet looked sheepish, when he
said you have been to Glasgow then? I explained that I had and that it was
to explore all possibilities for Yogi and he should understand this. He then
said is he back on his Neomercazol and I said Yes. I think this vet now
knows that he has done wrong as he said he had had a letter from them, which
I hope told him that he should  not have taken Yogi off the thyroid
medication, this I believe has led to Yogi's dramatic weight loss during a
time when he least needed it.
Meanwhile Yogi is tucking into Pilchards in tomato sauce a favourite of his
since kittenhood. I have introduced Garlic and Fenugreek in the hope of
staving off infection as time goes on. At present I am unable to prevent his
diarrohea and he seems to be hungry all the time, I presume from this that
he is 'starving' and just keep giving him food (and water when I think he
has lost too much fluid.)
I tried writing to a couple of you individually but my emails were returned
and my husband said this is because you are ensuring you dont receive
spam...understandably I can assure you! :)
The person from Cornwall and Karen particularly touched me and thank you to
two, Karen you are a soulmate of cats and thank the world there are people
like you out there for them.
Thank you everyone, I will let you know what happens.
Linda
Orcinus Orca - 05 Nov 2003 01:38 GMT
> Meanwhile Yogi is tucking into Pilchards in tomato sauce a favourite of his
> since kittenhood. Linda

Is this the kitty with CRF? If so, be careful with giving him tomato
sauce. Tomato sauce is acidic and can lead to or worsen metabolic
acidosis in a CRF kitty. Is you vet keeping track of TCO (total carbon
dioxide)?
 
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