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Do vets really care?
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Linda Hartley - 21 Oct 2003 21:08 GMT My special friend is Yogi, 17 years old. He has had 6 vets in his lifetime and each has been different in their approach to diagnosing and treating any illness he has had. I would just like to say that in his last days I have done a lot of soul searching and net searching...latterly, hopelessly, thinking I would find a wonder cure for him. He had a lot of abcesses in his earlier years as he was a 'defender' (not a scrapper), was often sick although it usually turned out to be furballs. When he was 12 he was hit by a car and I nursed him at home, as no treatment was given by the vet as she said he had fractured his hipand not to let him jump up or down. So spent the week on a mattress/floor all day and night with him. When he was 11 I was told not to bother with leakemia vaccine for him as if he hasnt contracted it by now he never will. When he was 14 he had started being sick and having diarrohea and lost weight. Took him to the vet,(after a lot of searching in Manchester trying to find one that seemed to have time,let alone care, large practices seem to be in it for the turn over! ..some with vets that cannot speak english well enough) to whom we said money is no object!! what a cheque to write eh?... but this was my friend whom I love deeply. He did all the tests and showed us X rays that showed Yogi had thickening of the bowel walls and that he has hypothyroidism. So three times aday Yogi was to have 5mg of Neomercazol....this vetr was adamant this dosage could never be reduced (although I have read since that it could be) and never explained further or treated further the bowel wall thickening.(Having since read that this could lead to lyphoma I wonder why he didn't) All I ever hear from Vets oh! he's a good age...after all he's such and such an age....age is in my opinion only relative when they get to around 19-20. Yogi had in the last year had bouts of sickness once again and diarrohea, this last spring was pretty bad his faces being yellow and very smelly. The vet we currently have(and we live on an island so its not easy to say change your vet) didnt respond until i pushed him for blood tests and faces test. The latter he didnt want to do, so I found a specimen bottle at our doctors and gave him that...nothin forthcoming for up to ten days and then eventually I was told oh there was nothing. Blood tests all ok, only what you would expect in a 'cat of his age'...what does this b...well mean for G sake! Anyhow some probiotic mix later his tum settles a bit although it continues to give problems from time to time...then....he is losing weight and his appetite is slowing. You might think this is an older cat and so his appetite will lessen and I would normally agree but I know my cat and I know when his appetite is lessening due to 'age'...this wasn't. The same vet examine him and said ,due he says to him being an FELv cat...as I confirmed he had not been vaccinated against leukimia as the previous but one vet had said not to bother,....he has alimentary lymphosarcoma. No tests no nothing this is by feel of his abdomen alone. Nothing can be done he says. No referral to Glasgow nothing.To top it all he told us to take Yogi off his neomercazol. SO I find another vet who treats with Homeopathy, having read in magazines etc about these vets thinking they can help him even if its palliative...this one seemed pretty vague about what to do...nothing like you see on the TV or read in the mags etc...(is it my fault for believing these things...why is it all these other animals seem to be treated well ...am I just angry am I a bad judge of 'vet'..) when I asked of a nosode of lymphosarcoma she treats him with phosphorus...which doesnt seem to be about his immune system as she said but since finding out that this is more about helping his symptoms of digestion/diarrohea/vomiting...he hate sthis one I can tell you. However, she did dispense a muchroom based tablet which is being used for HIV in humans and is apparently helpful in cancer in cats. This does seem to have helped Yogi in palliative treatment. She at least was willing to refer us to Glasgow.When we finally get to Glasgow...there is such a waiting list!...after an examination we are told that Yogi should nopt have come off his neomercazol and that either form of treatment ...chemo or surgery would be difficult in Yogi's case, his kidneys have seeds on them and are small....due to previous kidney traumas. His weight loss hasbn't helped...due in part ot weight loss after being taken off the thyroid drug...she told us to put him back on his thyroid drug, which we have done and he seems ok for it. Basically nothing can be done as she said he has either adenocarcinoma or alimentary lymphosarcoma. The former would require surgery adn the latter would need chem. So here we are at home and I am desolate and devastated....all I wanted was a vet to treat Yogi properly at each and every occasion...not to consider the cost....but to consider all the possibilities each time adn follwoing examinations to treat properly...not be lackadaisical or take short cuts...some of these vets never did an initial exam...such as listening to heart/lungs, atking temperature or smelling this breath..... The worst part is I know that I will have to argue with this vet to get him to do a home visit when the time comes for Yogi to pass on. If any vets ever read this...please remember these aniamls are not 'Just cats' as one vet said to me....they hold a special place in their human friends hearts, mean a great deal to them, ...all we ask is you treat them with respect, care and pay attention to each animal being uniquely different so look at their symptoms and pay attention to detail....if need be ask whether money is an issue...you may be surprised that there are some of us out here for whom we would spend whatever it takes to make our friends feel well again and whole....or at least help them to feel good as we would our human friends and relatives. For me Yogi has been my friend, confidante, surrogate child and soul mate and I know that in the next life I will see him again....that will make up for the pain I am going through now feeling that I didnt fight enough for him or find the right vets to take proper care of him. Please if you are going to be a Vet ....you must like animals and continue to like them throughut your career as one...never for a moment forget these ar sentient beings. Apologies for those of you who think I am nuts but I care passionately about animals...who cannot speak up for themselves..so someone has to.
kaeli - 21 Oct 2003 22:31 GMT > My special friend is Yogi, 17 years old. <snip>
I am very sorry to hear of Yogi's decline. Purrs from my furkids and I to yours.
> So here we are at home and I am desolate and devastated....all I wanted was > a vet to treat Yogi properly at each and every occasion...not to consider > the cost....but to consider all the possibilities each time adn follwoing > examinations to treat properly...not be lackadaisical or take short > cuts...some of these vets never did an initial exam...such as listening to > heart/lungs, atking temperature or smelling this breath..... Unfortunately, many vets, and many doctors, too, just don't seem to care as much as we'd expect. If you lived somewhere with more choices, it would have been easier for you to "vote with your feet". I should add my sentiments that vets should actually give a damn about animals.
> If any vets ever read this...please remember these aniamls are not 'Just > cats' as one vet said to me Makes me wonder why this person became a vet...
> ....they hold a special place in their human > friends hearts, mean a great deal to them, Yes, they do. I love my cats. If anyone told me it's just a cat, I'd likely give them a good smack. Well, at least I'd WANT to.
Losing a beloved pet is never easy for those of us who see them as more than "just pets". I wish you and Yogi all the best and know you'll see Yogi at the Rainbow Bridge.
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Cheryl - 22 Oct 2003 01:35 GMT [...]
> Apologies for those of you who think I am nuts but I care > passionately about animals...who cannot speak up for themselves..so > someone has to. You're not nuts. I'm sorry you've gone through this and a lot of us are right here with you. I think this is part of why forums like this have evolved, because vets don't know everything nor will they probably ever. Just like human doctors. We have to arm ourselves with information to help them help our friends. Sounds so unfair, I know. :( I think more of them need to defer to specialists faster; before money runs out, before they have exhausted all of their own knowledge. Defer to the ones who've seen more.
Take care, Cheryl
-L. - 22 Oct 2003 07:58 GMT > [...] > > Apologies for those of you who think I am nuts but I care [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > before money runs out, before they have exhausted all of their own > knowledge. Defer to the ones who've seen more. I totally agree. I personally prefer feline specialists because they've seen more cases, have seen the rare cases, and IME, will cut to the chase. I just had a vet recommend $800 worth of diagnostics, whereas the feline vet said "Why? If you want to know what's up, go to surgery". I appreciated that.
OTOH, vets don't have all the answers, and that's probably the most frustrating thing for them to deal with - to have a case which just doesn't respond as expected.
Another thing is people expect vets to be able to work miracles. Sometimes there isn't anything more you can do for an animal. A good vet will tell you this outright. A not-so-good vet will keep taking your money. It's hard to tell the difference, sometimes.
-L.
MacCandace - 24 Oct 2003 04:53 GMT << Another thing is people expect vets to be able to work miracles. Sometimes there isn't anything more you can do for an animal. A good vet will tell you this outright. A not-so-good vet will keep taking your money. It's hard to tell the difference, sometimes.
-L. >>
I think a lot of what vets do is guesswork...well, human docs also, but vets have the distinct disadvantage of not being able to talk to their patients, ask them how they feel, where it hurts, etc. I think it would be very frustrating.
When I was in my early 20s and had just moved to Phoenix (almost 30 years ago now) and was looking for a job, I applied with a vet. I don't even remember if it was as a tech or office help or what but I went to his house and he and his wife interviewed me. I told him how much I loved animals, in an effort to get the job, and he told me that wasn't really a good thing in this case...that it's better to remain detached and impersonal when dealing with the animals so you don't get upset by what you deal with. I didn't get the job and it has always made me wonder, with every vet I have ever gone to, if they care about animals at all or if it's just a job. I suppose it's some of each but that comment has stuck with me all this time...sometimes I look at my vet and wonder if he gives a crap at all and if he cares about his own pets the way I care about mine.
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Meghan Noecker - 24 Oct 2003 08:11 GMT >I think a lot of what vets do is guesswork...well, human docs also, but vets >have the distinct disadvantage of not being able to talk to their patients, ask >them how they feel, where it hurts, etc. I think it would be very frustrating. I think a good vet knows typical behavior and has a good idea of what to ask. And also knows enough to trust the owners.
When my 11 year old cat was just a kitten, she got sick. To me, she was quite lethargic, but this was because she was overly active, troublesome kitten. At the vet's office, she didn't show any problems except being dehydrated. But I was really worried - I knew something was very wrong. He went with his gut and prescribed antibiotics even though he didn't see anything wrong. He figured she might have a virus, and this would prevent secondary infection. She was feeling much better after that, and the next day, I discovered the problem. Two extremely infected ears. You see, this kitten had the fluffiest ears on earth, and you could not see the infected wounds on them. I mentioned them to my sister, and she couldn't find them until I pointed them out. The larger one was the size of a dime and you could see a ring of pus. The antibiotics were exactly what she needed, so his gut instinct had been correct. A week later, I saw herharrassing my older cat, who then bit her on the ear. So, I'm pretty sure that that notch on my cat's ear is a reminder of my first cat.
I have also had other times where the vet was really good and listened to me. I have a sheltie who yelped when I was just barely squeezed her. She was on the couch facing me, and I had my hands on her sides and pulled her to me. I did not squeeze hard, and no healthy dog would have yelped. Knowing she had been abused and kicked by her previous owner, I figured she had an old injury, maybe a broken rib or something. So, I took her to the vet to be x-rayed. I just wanted to know so I didn't hurt her again. The vet listened, asked questions, but found nothing. He did the x-ray anyway and discovered an enlarged heart.
I think a good vet has to be able to read the animals as best they can as well as get an idea of whether they can trust what the human says. Some people may really be tuned into their animal and can honestly give an accurate statement of the health and behavior, while some people may have no clue.
For example, I have been very tuned to my cats and dogs, and the vets have been surprised at how early I have caught the problems. I just know when something is wrong.
I always knew I knew them well, but I didn't realize how much until I got a stray who had been hit by a car. I paid the vet bill so that I could keep him. He had a broken jaw, an eye that was blinded and had to be sewn shut til the tear ducts worked again, and some othe problems. He was very underweight, and was approximately 8 months old. At the time, he seemed to be improving and did gain weight for a little while. He then went through several days of getting sick, went back to the vet a couple times, and seemed to be on the mend. Then he took a turn for the worse and died in the middle of the night. I was hoping to get him to the vet before it opened, but he didn't make it. I only had him for 2 weeks. I know I did the best I could, but I am sure I would have done things differently if I had known him prior to bieng hit by a car. I have no idea what he was like on a good day, so while he seemed happy and doing well, he could have been very stoic. In this case, I was just like a vet, guessing how he felt, and not really knowing him as an individual. And sometimes, we guess wrong.
>always made me wonder, with every vet I have ever gone to, if they care about >animals at all or if it's just a job. I suppose it's some of each but that >comment has stuck with me all this time...sometimes I look at my vet and wonder >if he gives a crap at all and if he cares about his own pets the way I care >about mine. I do think that most of them care very much. And I admire for them being able to do such a tough job. But I suspect that they go through a lot of assistants, because many thin it is ideal to help animals and just aren't tough enough.
When I was young, I wanted to be a vet. Then I learned that you have to put down animals. I understand the need, and I have made the choice myself twice. But there is no way that I could physcially do it myself without crying, and you can't have the vet crying on the clients.
When I took my dog into be put down, the vet came out and sadly said this was his 5th dog that day. As much as I was upset over losing my dog, I felt so bad for him. What a crappy day. They must have some great highs when they save lives, but they must have a lot of bad lows too. Especially, when you think of all the people who don't recognize problems until they are too late, or they put off care for one reason or another. Or the people who want the animal put down for convenience. It must be very hard for them to deal with that on a daily basis.
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Sherry - 24 Oct 2003 13:37 GMT >I suppose it's some of each but that >comment has stuck with me all this time...sometimes I look at my vet and >wonder >if he gives a crap at all and if he cares about his own pets the way I care >about mine. Over the last four years I've been able to tell which vets really give a crap by the way they treat us when we bring in shelter cats. Some would charge us full price. Some would treat the cat llike a throwaway. One jewel this month re-broke and re-set a Border Collie's leg, put a pin in it, and treated the dog like a $5,000 patient. He charged us nothing. What goes around comes around, and we have been able to send many, many new clients to the vets who help and show compassion to our animals. The others we don't criticize to the public, of course, but we never recommend them either. Sherry
Karen M. - 25 Oct 2003 03:55 GMT >>I suppose it's some of each but that >>comment has stuck with me all this time...sometimes I look at my vet and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > course, but we never recommend them either. > Sherry Which is a great way to show vets that reduced-fee services for shelters can pay off in a big way! :) A lot of the groups around here do the same, any many list on their website or newsletter which vets help them out.
PawsForThought - 24 Oct 2003 13:42 GMT >From: maccandace@aol.comlitter (MacCandace)
><< Another thing is people expect vets to be able to work miracles. >Sometimes there isn't anything more you can do for an animal. A good [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >Candace Yeah, good question. What I will never understand is how vets can declaw cats. If they truly cared about the health and well-being of the cat, they could never declaw it, you know?
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DG511 - 24 Oct 2003 19:26 GMT My wonderful vet owns two cats and a dog, and she pretty much applies the golden rule at her clinic: do unto other people's pets as you would have others do unto your own pets. Or something like that.
But there's a lot of guesswork at certain points. Years ago, one of my first cats came down with a rare cancer (mast cell leukemia), and my vet had no idea what to do because at the time (and maybe still) there were no protocols for handling it. She spent hours of her own time calling to her old vet med professors and other sources, researching in the library and on the Internet (which was new at that point), and otherwise trying to track down a solution. She got little useful advice, so in the end, she laid out for me the various options and we discussed them. She was clearly perplexed, but I gave her all the credit in the world for trying. And not only did she not want any reimbursement for the research time (I offered), she also would not charge me for the appointment we had to discuss the case, since she didn't feel she was offering me much.
So yeah, there are some good ones out there, but even they don't have all the answers.
Daria Timing is everything.
jody c - 22 Jun 2005 17:37 GMT my cat has mast cell leukemia. can you tell me more about what happened to your cat, what treatments you chose, how effective they were and how long your cat survived? many, many thanks.
>My wonderful vet owns two cats and a dog, and she pretty much applies the >golden rule at her clinic: do unto other people's pets as you would have [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Daria >Timing is everything. -L. - 28 Oct 2003 09:12 GMT > >From: maccandace@aol.comlitter (MacCandace) > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Lauren I agree, but many vets don't think it is a bad practice. I once worked for a vet who declawed all of his own cats and lets them outside. His main-line excuse was the "declaw or euthanize" blackmail line. Yet he did declaws routinely - 12 week old kittens, 10 year old cats - I've seen it all. I once figured out that he brought in approx 90-100K/year doing declaws alone. IMO, THAT is why he continued to do them.
-L.
PawsForThought - 28 Oct 2003 14:48 GMT >From: k3_e81@yahoo.com (-L.)
>> >From: maccandace@aol.comlitter (MacCandace) >> [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >90-100K/year doing declaws alone. IMO, THAT is why he continued to do >them. Wow, that is a lot of money. I bet you're right and that's exactly why he did it :( ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
Warren O - 27 Oct 2003 01:27 GMT [snip]
> When I was in my early 20s and had just moved to Phoenix (almost 30 years ago > now) and was looking for a job, I applied with a vet. I don't even remember if [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > if he gives a crap at all and if he cares about his own pets the way I care > about mine. Maybe that vet didn't put it in the right words. Our vet said in an interview that if you really want to be a veterinarian, you should volunteer at an animal shelter, first. That way, you'll see the downside of dealing with animals that are hurt, sick, scared, vomiting, etc. If you can deal with that on a daily basis, you'll probably be okay with being a vet.
I give vets and clinic staff credit; they have to see animals at their worst and pet owners at their worst. I couldn't do what they do and I love animals. Why? Because I couldn't tell a little girl that "Fluffy" isn't coming home with her because she had to "cross the bridge." Every job has its ups and downs. I don't think I could handle the downs of that job.
Warren
PS. your vet probably cares about his/her pets as much as you do yours. They just can't wear their emotions on their sleeves at work.
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Justin Case - 22 Oct 2003 03:23 GMT > My special friend is Yogi, 17 years old. > He has had 6 vets in his lifetime and each has been different in their [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] > Apologies for those of you who think I am nuts but I care passionately about > animals...who cannot speak up for themselves..so someone has to. Honestly, I wonder sometimes if *some* vets didn't really want to be human doctors instead... but since they could not achieve that settled on being a vet since *some* of them seem to have the attitude "...its only an animal...".
I went to one vet who seemed more sales oriented than anything else... tryna convince me of the merits of declawing.
Sorry about the grief you are going through.
MGW - 22 Oct 2003 14:48 GMT >Honestly, I wonder sometimes if *some* vets didn't really want to be >human doctors instead... but since they could not achieve that settled >on being a vet since *some* of them seem to have the attitude "...its >only an animal...". I don't know how it is in other countries, but in the U.S. it's harder to get into vet school than into med school.
Karen - 22 Oct 2003 04:17 GMT I just wanted to say, I think Yogi has done amazingly well considering the problems he has had. Unfortunately, it sounds like you live in an area where there are vets that probably treat mainly large farm animals and dogs. It's sounds very rural. I want you to know some vets do care very much. I know my vet does and I know how fortunate I am. Recently, too, there was a thread on alt.med.veterinary where a vet has been very heart broken over a very old sick dog that really truly was in pain and nothing was left to help and the owners could not face letting him go. He died in a very agonizing way at the vets and you can tell this vet is really torn up about it. I think Yogi knows you love him, I think you have found some palliative care yourself you know is working. It is unfortunate but their time with us is always briefer than we want it to be, as is our time with our family and friends. I hope that Yogi stays with you as long as he is comfortable and when his distress is too much you can love him enough to let him go peacefully and not in pain. It is all we can do to take care of our little friends and try to understand them as best we can. He sounds very fortunate to have someone to love him all these years so much when so many suffer without love, animals and humans alike. My fondest wishes of a happy life and a happy passing when the time comes for Yogi. We here on the newsgroup are always here to listen.
Karen
Albert Pike - 22 Oct 2003 05:46 GMT It's truly unfortunate that incompetents can remain in business. There must be a regulatory body for vets in your area where you can report your complaints.
mich - 22 Oct 2003 07:59 GMT > So here we are at home and I am desolate and devastated....all I wanted was > a vet to treat Yogi properly at each and every occasion...not to consider [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The worst part is I know that I will have to argue with this vet to get him > to do a home visit when the time comes for Yogi to pass on. I thought this was just me! I live in Cornwall. I had the same problems with a vet here . My last cat died at the end of last year . I battled for two years to keep him alive after the vet had said " put him down , he is not economic anymore". He had a good quality of life for those two years once I forced them to treat him rather than dismiss him (and me). I told them that if he was human no one would consider putting him down on economic grounds ( what economy? - He wasnt a "working" animal) at that stage so treat him .
He was also diagnosed FELv ( and yes I too had tried to get him vaccinated etc) and the vet appeared to blame me for his condition and for any other illnesses he got. Every time I took him to the vet I seemed to be at fault.
In the end I just laid the law down ( I happen to know a lot about human physiology - and frankly cats are not that different on the basics!)
I dont trust vets ( at least not British ones - cant speak for any other country).
> If any vets ever read this...please remember these aniamls are not 'Just > cats' as one vet said to me....they hold a special place in their human [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > well again and whole....or at least help them to feel good as we would our > human friends and relatives. YES .VETS NOTE ( especially British ones)
Mary - 22 Oct 2003 16:22 GMT > > So here we are at home and I am desolate and devastated....all I wanted > was [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > YES .VETS NOTE ( especially British ones) I'm so sorry you two have had to fight so to get your dear pets looked after. I think there might be a partial explanation in what a friend of mine in US Vet school once told me. He said, "I am going into large animal vetrinary medicine." I asked why large animals and he said "in the US in small animal practice you have to be a psychologist for the pet owners most of the time. I just want to do medicine."
I think in the US in urban areas there are more of the types of vets who understand what our pets mean to us and make lots of money on it, whether they care or not.
In more rural areas (and perhaps in the UK too?) vets who mostly work on livestock etc. are not really accustomed to or trained to deal with animals who are really more like humans to us.
Just a thought.
My "bottom line" with vets, doctors, etc is this: they work for ME. If I don't like ANYTHING about them I move on to another that I like better. But again, this is one of the positive things (among a long list of negatives) that comes along with living in a large US city.
~*SooZy*~ - 22 Oct 2003 13:55 GMT I am sorry to hear about your vet :-( we are really lucky we use a cat clinic in Southsea Portsmouth UK it has 2 female vets who I must say are really lovely vets, caring have all the time in the world to explain what and why they are doing/treating your cats. Answer all the questions you ask The receptionist/nurses are really good too, if I ever have any problems I can ring them and if the nurse cannot help me, she gets the vet to call me back. they are brilliant
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Brandy?Alexandre - 23 Oct 2003 04:22 GMT Linda Hartley <Linda.Hartley0H2@btinternet.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> Please if you are going to be a Vet ....you must like animals and > continue to like them throughut your career as one...never for a > moment forget these ar sentient beings. > Apologies for those of you who think I am nuts but I care > passionately about animals...who cannot speak up for > themselves..so someone has to. I couldn't read your whole post (ran to gether) but got the gist of it. When my favorite vet at the practice left, I was really annoyed. She was recommended by a friend and the one who discovered the kidney disease in Kami. This happened when I wanted to get her dental and she insisted that they do a senior panel on her. After the discovery, she suggested we could use a different anesthesia that would protect her kidneys, etc., and then she made a list of food we could try in order to get Kami to eat a proper CRF diet.
I started seeing another doctor. He didn't have a strong accent, but a harsher sounding one (Israel), and he seemed a little distant and matter-of-fact. But after a while I noticed he wasn't always trying to "sell" me on things. The last time I asked him about dental, he looked and said there was some tartar, but no need. When her punctal ducts plugged, he said he could try flushing them, but gave it a 50/50 chance of success which he didn't think was worth the rick under anesthesia, we could try it when we eventually did a dental. And so on.
I was going to call for an appointment for her yearly exam today and didn't have the number. I plopped his name into Google figuring it would come up on a directory, but I got two articles that discussed him and others volunteering to spay and neuter ferals in a special program out her (one was about doing a record 93 in a day for the program). I always got the impression he was a dog person and only dealt with cats out of professional necessity. I never would have believed he actually volunteered time or anything else for cats. Anyway, at the exam he said she looked great for her age and recommended against a dental. Not because she's doing badly, but because she's doing so well. He didn't want to mess with a good thing. This also nixed the duct flushing, but he said it's not an urgent matter, just an annoyance.
He picked at a couple of her teeth, said she was a very good girl and thought she could be done without anesthesia, giving me the number of a group that does it. I asked him about the anesthesia used by the other vet and said a name for what it might have been (began with a "p"-- "Prop"something, then looked at her chart. Yes, that was it, but he said he definitely doesn't like to use it on cats and wouldn't use it on Kami. In effect, he turned away a few hundred dollars today.
I don't think you should let one, or even six, bets color your view of an entire industry. Common sense and second opinions, not to mention a right to take you business wherever you please could turn up the gems you're looking for.
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On a slightly different subject, I was half right about sub-q for the car trip. I told him we were traveling by car and he didn't think of her not eating or drinking until I brought it up. He didn't think it was too bad, didn't believe it was worth risking. He said though she doesn't need it at this stage, he suggested I learn to give sub-qs and do it the night before we go, and when we arrive at the hotel, and once more at the destination, and again if she's having trouble adjusting and won't drink. After her blood draw, a tech came him and showed me how. Kami didn't fight it, but I can still imagine what it would be like at home. Seems easy enough if she's cooperative and I will pick up supplies closer to the date and do one or two practices before hitting the road.
I asked him if he knew of a good vet in the new locale. He said he wished he did, because he'd like to see Kami get the best care. He used to live out there, so I told him if he ever wants to move back, I'll leave my number...
 Signature Brandy??Alexandre? http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you?
Linda Hartley - 03 Nov 2003 20:40 GMT Hello all
Thank you all so much for your replies, I was moved literally to tears as much as when I wrote the first message. THANK YOU SO MUCH, it lifted me up and I am now able to help Yogi in a more positive frame of mind than when I wrote it.
To update you with the latest I have since been back to my 'normal' vet to get Yogi a B12 injection to help his diarrohea and enable him to get sustance from what he eats. when i arrived my vet looked sheepish, when he said you have been to Glasgow then? I explained that I had and that it was to explore all possibilities for Yogi and he should understand this. He then said is he back on his Neomercazol and I said Yes. I think this vet now knows that he has done wrong as he said he had had a letter from them, which I hope told him that he should not have taken Yogi off the thyroid medication, this I believe has led to Yogi's dramatic weight loss during a time when he least needed it. Meanwhile Yogi is tucking into Pilchards in tomato sauce a favourite of his since kittenhood. I have introduced Garlic and Fenugreek in the hope of staving off infection as time goes on. At present I am unable to prevent his diarrohea and he seems to be hungry all the time, I presume from this that he is 'starving' and just keep giving him food (and water when I think he has lost too much fluid.) I tried writing to a couple of you individually but my emails were returned and my husband said this is because you are ensuring you dont receive spam...understandably I can assure you! :) The person from Cornwall and Karen particularly touched me and thank you to two, Karen you are a soulmate of cats and thank the world there are people like you out there for them. Thank you everyone, I will let you know what happens. Linda
Orcinus Orca - 05 Nov 2003 01:38 GMT > Meanwhile Yogi is tucking into Pilchards in tomato sauce a favourite of his > since kittenhood. Linda Is this the kitty with CRF? If so, be careful with giving him tomato sauce. Tomato sauce is acidic and can lead to or worsen metabolic acidosis in a CRF kitty. Is you vet keeping track of TCO (total carbon dioxide)?
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