This is an update:
After wednesday´s visit to the vet (Tabasco got a penicillin shot + a
homeopathic remedy to be given at home 3 times a day), we went there
again on friday, as the vet requested. I told the vet that I´ve seen
no improvement during wednesday and friday. Tabasco was still peeing
very often, and only a few drops, with few exceptions when the clumps
were app. walnut-sized. He got another shot of penicillin and this
time, she also gave him a Cortisol shot. Since he got those 2 shots,
Tabasco seems to be feeling better. The clumps are bigger now and he
doesn´t go to the sandbox as often as he did.
I encourage him to drink camomile tea, as the vet advised me to do.
Tabasco licks it off my fingers and I´m very glad he does - I thought
he won´t take any of it.
I am asking myself if this improvement is more likely to be due to the
antibiotic (penicillin) shot, or rather to the Cortisol shot. Is there
some way to tell?
I am asking this because the vet goes on vacation this week and there
will be someone else in her office. What the vet told me is the
following:
either Tabasco will feel better, and if he does, then I should come on
monday and the colleague will give Tabasco his last penicillin shot
OR - if Tabasco is not doing better, then he won´t be getting any
penicillin shots anymore and we will switch to amoxicillin (I believe)
- I should go there on monday and pick the pills she prepared for me
just in case.
Now, Tabasco IS doing better but the question that I keep asking
myself is - was it penicillin or cortisol or both?
any ideas?
Marta
Martini - 18 Oct 2003 17:08 GMT
Oh, and.. by the way, my "little" - not-so-little guy has been weighed
at the vet´s office.
He weighs 13.5 pounds :>
The vet almost fell of her chair as she heard the nurse say his
weight!
But hey, she also said that Tabasco has the most beautiful fur - so
soft and shiny :.)
M.
Iso - 18 Oct 2003 18:07 GMT
Cortisol is a hormone that increases when a cat is stressed. If cortisol
levels are elevated for too long, it will weaken the cat's immune system and
increase its chance of getting ill. Cortisol secretion increases in response
to any stress in the body, whether physical (such as illness, trauma,
surgery, or temperature extremes) or psychological. I'm going to say that
the Penicillin in conjunction with the Cortisol is what is making your cat
feel better.
Martini - 18 Oct 2003 22:29 GMT
>Cortisol is a hormone that increases when a cat is stressed. If cortisol
>levels are elevated for too long, it will weaken the cat's immune system and
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>the Penicillin in conjunction with the Cortisol is what is making your cat
>feel better.
I know the way cortisol works, I also know how penicillin works. In
this case cortisol is supposed to stop the inflammation. I know it can
supress the immune system after a long therapy. But it has also the
advantage of working very powerfully and really fast - if you ever had
to use some lotion containing cortisol (for example because of
allergy), you will know what I mean. So I am not really sure.
Marta
Cheryl - 18 Oct 2003 22:47 GMT
> This is an update:
[...]
> Now, Tabasco IS doing better but the question that I keep asking
> myself is - was it penicillin or cortisol or both?
>
> any ideas?
>
> Marta
Purrs and headbutts from my kiddos for Tobasco to get better. I don't
have any words of wisdom but I know many here do.
Phil P. - 20 Oct 2003 00:10 GMT
> This is an update:
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> I am asking myself if this improvement is more likely to be due to the
> antibiotic (penicillin) shot, or rather to the Cortisol shot. Is there
> some way to tell?
Marta,
How does your vet know Tabasco has a bladder infection and not interstitial
cystitis? The symptoms you're describing closely match those of IC. Did he
examine and culture Tabasco's urine?
"he went to pee like every 30 minutes with the same result, peeing only
a little bit"
"He is not really straining while doing this, he simply seems to
have the need to pee often"
Inflammation causes a nervous sensation in cats that mimics the same
sensation that's normally induced by a full bladder. That's probably why he
still made frequent attempts to urinate even though his bladder was empty.
The little urine he passed could have been recently formed urine.
If I were you, I'd err on the side of caution and order a complete
urinalysis including a microscopic examination for crystals and bacteria,
and if bacteriuria is not found, confirm the finding with a culture.
Urine that will examined for bacteria should be collected by drawing the
sample directly from the bladder (cystocentesis). This method avoids
contamination of the urine sample with organisms that normally inhabit the
distal urinary tract -- which can result in a misdiagnosis of a UTI and the
unnecessary administration of antibiotics.
Best of luck.
Phil
Cheryl - 20 Oct 2003 00:34 GMT
>> This is an update:
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>
> Phil
I have a serious question and I hope you can put aside differences to
answer this for Shamrock. As most know, he's had serious allergy
problems since I've had him, and has had to have steroid shots which
is all that will make him comfortable. He makes frequent trips to the
litterbox kicking up a storm lately though he always pees like crazy,
but sometimes he'll go back. The last time his allergy flaired up he
chewed off the fur on the base of his tail and the shot didn't help
this time. I am calling the vet tomorrow but I didn't associate any
problem in the litterbox with his chewing but am wondering now. If he
has a problem with his penis do you think it could manifest itself in
chewing the hell out of his tail? He chews his skin to bleeding these
days and I have to clean it often with peroxide, put on a triple
antibiotic and put on an e-collar which really depresses him. (I've
continued the advantage monthly even though no fleas have showed on
him both by my inspections and the vets but I read someone's account
of how cats are good at picking off even a single flea from their
body).
Martini - 20 Oct 2003 21:14 GMT
>> This is an update:
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>cystitis? The symptoms you're describing closely match those of IC. Did he
>examine and culture Tabasco's urine?
Phil,
I asked the vet if she would take an urine sample, and I hoped she
would but she answered she didn´t need one. "Apart from that", she
added, "how should I get an urine sample if his bladder is empty?"
Sounded like a good explanation to me. She mentioned a couple of
things - bladder inflammation, struvite, cystitis - that may cause
similar symptoms but as far as I can remember, she excluded cystitis
in Tabasco´s case.
He got a penicillin shot on wednesday and I was asked to come again on
friday which I did. Since there was no improvement, she gave him
another penicillin shot and cortisol, to stop inflammation. Very soon
after those shots, Tabasco was feeling better and peeing almost
normally. He also appeared to drink more.
However, the vet just went on vacation this week, her colleague
overtook her job this week. We went there again today. He said that
the improvement was most likely due to cortisol. He also said that the
antibiotic treatment should last 2 weeks (he gave Tabasco one more
penicillin shot and, in addition to that, he gave me amoxicillin pills
for the rest of this week).
I asked again about an urine sample and he admitted that it would be
wise to make an urinanalysis after the treatment, just in case, to
make sure that there is no sediment, stones/crystals etc. I am
definately going to take care of that.
I still don´t really know what interstitial cystitis is about.
Cystitis is "Blasenentzuendung" in German which is exactly what the
vet diagnosed - it´s just the "interstitial" word that confuses me.
I wish the vets over here would take a little bit more time to explain
those things.
Thank you, Phil.
Marta