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C Anne - 13 Oct 2003 01:10 GMT
Hiya...
anyone knows of the most natural, non-chemical way that I can bathe my cat
Fusspot?  I live in the Northwest, where the flea season this time was
really horrid and his skin was a bit scally.  He doesn't care for a wet
washcloth and even the most gentle brushing doesn't help.

Thanks!
PawsForThought - 13 Oct 2003 01:48 GMT
>Hiya...
>anyone knows of the most natural, non-chemical way that I can bathe my cat
>Fusspot?

You can try this:  http://www.animalsites.com/cat.asp

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Karen M. - 13 Oct 2003 20:47 GMT
You can get moistened towlettes at petstores, and then just stroke him
with the towlette. I do that with mine sometimes, and they think they're
just getting some lovins. :)

> Hiya...
> anyone knows of the most natural, non-chemical way that I can bathe my cat
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>
> Thanks!
Barb 1 - 13 Oct 2003 22:26 GMT
Does Fusspot have fleas?  If that's the case I doubt a bath will be enough.
You need to speak to the vet about this.  Generally cats do not need you to
bathe them.  They do that themselves.

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Cat Protector - 14 Oct 2003 20:10 GMT
Actually, baths are good for cats because it helps get rid of excess hair
which can reduce hairballs a little. Every few months I give my cats a bath
and you'd be surprised how much lose hair ends up in the tub.

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> Does Fusspot have fleas?  If that's the case I doubt a bath will be enough.
> You need to speak to the vet about this.  Generally cats do not need you to
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>    Today is not your day.
>    Tomorrow doesn't look good either.
Mary - 14 Oct 2003 21:35 GMT
> Actually, baths are good for cats because it helps get rid of excess hair
> which can reduce hairballs a little. Every few months I give my cats a bath
> and you'd be surprised how much lose hair ends up in the tub.

Baths are not good for all cats, it depends on the condition of the
skin and fur, and other factors such as how upset the cat gets. Gentle
and regular rushing alone can get all the loose hair etc. off of the
cat.
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Cat Protector - 14 Oct 2003 23:27 GMT
I have to disagree here. If a cat starts rolling around in dirt, has access
hair that is not gotten out or a person has allergies but still loves their
cat, bathing is a nice way to go. I have brushed my cats nefore but still
had to bathe them to get more hair out as well to help in their cleaning
process. While most cats fear water baths are still needed on occasion.
Also, let us not forget that show cats (cats which compete in cat shows)
will often get baths before they compete in the show ring.

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> Baths are not good for all cats, it depends on the condition of the
> skin and fur, and other factors such as how upset the cat gets. Gentle
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> > >    Today is not your day.
> > >    Tomorrow doesn't look good either.
Sherry - 15 Oct 2003 03:30 GMT
>I have to disagree here. If a cat starts rolling around in dirt, has access
>hair that is not gotten out or a person has allergies but still loves their
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>Also, let us not forget that show cats (cats which compete in cat shows)
>will often get baths before they compete in the show ring.

If your cat fears water, it's cruel to bathe it just because you want to.
Unless she's rolled in something smelly, or has had diarrhea or something and
gotten messy, don't bathe them.
If the cat enjoys a bath, that's another thing alltogether. I don't think many
do though. Cats do a very good job of cleaning themselves without any help from
us save some brushing.
Show cats put up with a lot. That's the owner's choice, not the cat's.

Sherry
Cat Protector - 15 Oct 2003 05:00 GMT
As a parent of two felines I do not think it is cruel to give them a bath,
especially when Isis rolls around in things like dirt and such. Also it
helps get rid of lose hair which was not gotten out by simple brushing. Cats
may do a good job cleaning themselves but they do need help once and a
while. Also, when they get a little stinky it is good to have them cleaned
up.

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> If your cat fears water, it's cruel to bathe it just because you want to.
> Unless she's rolled in something smelly, or has had diarrhea or something and
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>
> Sherry
PawsForThought - 15 Oct 2003 15:37 GMT
>From: "Cat Protector" catprotector@cox.net

>As a parent of two felines I do not think it is cruel to give them a bath,
>especially when Isis rolls around in things like dirt and such.

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Karen M. - 15 Oct 2003 22:10 GMT
> >I have to disagree here. If a cat starts rolling around in dirt, has access
> >hair that is not gotten out or a person has allergies but still loves their
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>
> Sherry

My cat Ernie is white and will come inside from the yard absolutely
*brown* from rolling around (we call him Dirty Bird..), and a few
hours later he's pristine again. :) Cats don't need baths unless they
*really* get into something. It strips oils from their fur and skin
that they need.
Cat Protector - 16 Oct 2003 04:07 GMT
That is not true at all. I suppose if your cat accidently got into oil or
some other substance you'd say it was ok not to bathe them? Bathing a cat
does not harm the cat neither physically nor emotionally. Also, not all cats
are afraid of water.

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> My cat Ernie is white and will come inside from the yard absolutely
> *brown* from rolling around (we call him Dirty Bird..), and a few
> hours later he's pristine again. :) Cats don't need baths unless they
> *really* get into something. It strips oils from their fur and skin
> that they need.
Yngver - 16 Oct 2003 16:55 GMT
>That is not true at all. I suppose if your cat accidently got into oil or
>some other substance you'd say it was ok not to bathe them?

No one said that.

Bathing a cat
>does not harm the cat neither physically nor emotionally. Also, not all cats
>are afraid of water.

I hope most people here realize that as far as giving advice on feline
behavior, CP is about the last person you should consider to have expertise in
that area.

Once again, let's see some evidence to support your contention.
Karen M. - 16 Oct 2003 21:47 GMT
> That is not true at all. I suppose if your cat accidently got into oil or
> some other substance you'd say it was ok not to bathe them? Bathing a cat
> does not harm the cat neither physically nor emotionally. Also, not all cats
> are afraid of water.

Re-read my post. I said "Cats don't need baths unless they *really*
get into something." I think this would include oil. Nor did I say all
cats are afraid of water. Do try to read before sounding off. Also,
here are some links:

From http://www.thecatsite.com/cat_care/care.php?a=coat - "Most
domestic shorthairs need relatively little grooming. Regular brushing,
at least once a week helps to keep the coat looking good, by removing
dead hair. Getting rid of dead hair also prevents it from scattering
around your home. It is advised to often brush cats that shed a lot.
Usually it is not necessary to bathe a shorthair cat, unless it gets
its coat very dirty. You should also bathe the cat if it is covered
with a substance that you don't want him to lick off."

From http://www.petpeoplesplace.com/Care/Cats/000/CatGrooming.htm -
"You should not bath your cat more often than necessary, since
shampoos will remove the natural oils that protect your cats skin and
hair."

> > My cat Ernie is white and will come inside from the yard absolutely
> > *brown* from rolling around (we call him Dirty Bird..), and a few
> > hours later he's pristine again. :) Cats don't need baths unless they
> > *really* get into something. It strips oils from their fur and skin
> > that they need.
Cat Protector - 17 Oct 2003 02:57 GMT
I have read about bathing cats in the past and I continue to bathe them. Not
only does it get out hair that I haven't brush out but also dirt as well.
Both my cats are short haired and do get a bit rank after a while. Also for
Isis' breed the natural oils that keep her coat do return and refresh.

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> Re-read my post. I said "Cats don't need baths unless they *really*
> get into something." I think this would include oil. Nor did I say all
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> > > *really* get into something. It strips oils from their fur and skin
> > > that they need.
Sherry - 17 Oct 2003 03:20 GMT
>I have read about bathing cats in the past and I continue to bathe them. Not
>only does it get out hair that I haven't brush out but also dirt as well.
>Both my cats are short haired and do get a bit rank after a while.

If your indoor cats are getting "rank"...it's time to seriously take a look at
your housekeeping skills. Indoor cats just don't get "rank"  unless there's a
health issue going on with elimination or they are unable to groom themselves.

Sherry
Karen M. - 17 Oct 2003 04:15 GMT
>>I have read about bathing cats in the past and I continue to bathe them. Not
>>only does it get out hair that I haven't brush out but also dirt as well.
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>
> Sherry

Are you implying that CP is eliminating improperly, thereby creating a
health issue?

:) K
MaryL - 17 Oct 2003 12:11 GMT
> >I have read about bathing cats in the past and I continue to bathe them. Not
> >only does it get out hair that I haven't brush out but also dirt as well.
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>
> Sherry

I agree.  I didn't understant this statement about the cat getting "rank."
I have never had a cat develop an odor unless there was a health issue (for
example, diarrhea).

MaryL
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Sherry - 17 Oct 2003 14:55 GMT
>I agree.  I didn't understant this statement about the cat getting "rank."
>I have never had a cat develop an odor unless there was a health issue (for
>example, diarrhea).
>
>MaryL

Me too, Mary. I honestly don't understand it. Cherokee was old, too fat,
arthritic and unable to groom himself. Longhaired on top of that. He got "rank"
if left to his own devices. But a healthy, younger, indoor cat. I just can't
see it.

Sherry
Iso - 17 Oct 2003 15:09 GMT
I think what Sherri is referring too is mouth odor. Which also results from
poor dental hygiene. Heavy tartar under and along an animals gum line is a
perfect place for bacteria to multiply producing obnoxious odors in the
process. This same mouth odor may be spread to the entire body as the animal
uses his or her tongue to wet the hair coat during the grooming process.
Maybe she smells dirty or infected ears. They are another frequent source of
body odor. Skin disease and a wet or soiled hair coat are amongst the most
common sources of body odor. Stool, urine, and saliva can be spread on to
the skin and hair producing objectionable odors. One skin disease known as
"seborrhea" often results in the over production of skin oils which tend to
trap obnoxious odors. Stool and urine collecting between the foot pads is
another place to check when trying to discover the source of persistent
"rank" odors on your cat. I try to wash all my animals at least once a
month.
Sherry - 17 Oct 2003 21:54 GMT
>I think what Sherri is referring too is mouth odor. Which also results from
>poor dental hygiene. Heavy tartar under and along an animals gum line is a
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>another place to check when trying to discover the source of persistent
>"rank" odors on your cat.

That's true, all of the above can cause odor. That's exactly what I was trying
to say, not that cats never stink, but if one does, there's something wrong
with it. They normally should not smell bad.
I kept noticing a faint odor everytime Frank would get close once. It turned
out to be an abscess. It was hidden under all that hair.
Sherry
Yngver - 17 Oct 2003 22:41 GMT
>I agree.  I didn't understant this statement about the cat getting "rank."
>I have never had a cat develop an odor unless there was a health issue (for
>example, diarrhea).

Same here. Our cats never get baths and their fur smells good. But of course,
we don't feed them Friskies either.
Sherry - 18 Oct 2003 00:32 GMT
>>I agree.  I didn't understant this statement about the cat getting "rank."
>>I have never had a cat develop an odor unless there was a health issue (for
>>example, diarrhea).
>
>Same here. Our cats never get baths and their fur smells good. But of course,
>we don't feed them Friskies either.

All kidding aside, Friskies *does* make for the stinkiest litterboxes ever. We
had some donated to shelter. P-U.

Sherry
Sherry - 16 Oct 2003 21:47 GMT
>That is not true at all. I suppose if your cat accidently got into oil or
>some other substance you'd say it was ok not to bathe them?

Realizing that reading isn't your strong suit, please recall yesterday's post
which stated the opposite. Face it. You bathe your cats because *you want to*.

Sherry
PawsForThought - 14 Oct 2003 23:04 GMT
>From: "Cat Protector" catprotector@cox.net

>Actually, baths are good for cats because it helps get rid of excess hair
>which can reduce hairballs a little. Every few months I give my cats a bath
>and you'd be surprised how much lose hair ends up in the tub.

Your cat is probably shedding more because she's afraid of the bath.  Cats that
are indoors shouldn't need a bath.
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Mary - 15 Oct 2003 00:07 GMT
> Your cat is probably shedding more because she's afraid of the bath.  Cats that
> are indoors shouldn't need a bath.

My Cheeks (indoor, rescued as a two-year-old) is the gentlest little
cat
in the world, but at bath time seemed convinced that I had fed her,
played with her, cuddled her, etc. just as some sort of ruse to trick
her
into the bathroom and kill her. It is the only time she will put out
her claws,
and she did so to get purchase in my back, at which point she dug in
and
used me as a bridge to get out of the tub. (You can picture this--she
waited
until I bent very close to her and reached over my shoulder. At which
point,
what do you do but let her have her way! LOL!) So I quit bathing her.
It seemed to me that she was kind of stinky after a month, then became
and
pretty much stays sweet smelling. Part of it is keeping her box
scooped
daily. Another good reason not to bathe her is that she has a
predilection to respiratory problems, and when she gets upset she has
asthma attacks that are really scary. I'd like to keep her down to a
minimum of allergy shots.
Cat Protector - 15 Oct 2003 03:27 GMT
Isis struggles a bit when it comes to baths but not as much as she used to.
She will try to get out of the tub and meow a tiny bit but I just gently let
her know she is not being tortured. Isis is much better now about them and I
don't get too much fuss because she realizes that she will be set free after
the cleaning. The last time I bathed Jade she didn't seem to mind it too
much. She meowed but that was about it.

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>
> > Your cat is probably shedding more because she's afraid of the bath.
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> asthma attacks that are really scary. I'd like to keep her down to a
> minimum of allergy shots.
PawsForThought - 15 Oct 2003 15:41 GMT
>From: "Mary" rosefan@email.com

>> Your cat is probably shedding more because she's afraid of the bath.
>Cats that
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>her
>into the bathroom and kill her.

ROFL!!!!!

>It is the only time she will put out
>her claws,
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>point,
>what do you do but let her have her way! LOL!) So I quit bathing her.

Too bad you didn't get a video of this, lol.  I can just imagine.

>It seemed to me that she was kind of stinky after a month, then became
>and
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>asthma attacks that are really scary. I'd like to keep her down to a
>minimum of allergy shots.

I have never bathed my cats and they don't have an odor that I can detect.  I
think you're right, scooping the box must help.  I also think you're right not
to stress your cat by bathing her especially in light of the fact that she has
asthma.

Lauren
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Sherry - 16 Oct 2003 21:45 GMT
>Actually, baths are good for cats because it helps get rid of excess hair
>which can reduce hairballs a little. Every few months I give my cats a bath
>and you'd be surprised how much lose hair ends up in the tub.

If you knew anything about cats all all, you'd know they "throw" their hair
when they are frightened. Your cats are terrified of the bath, and that's why
there's hair all over the place. It isn't normal shedded hair.

Sherry
PawsForThought - 17 Oct 2003 00:26 GMT
>From: sriddles@aol.comkitty  (Sherry )

>>Actually, baths are good for cats because it helps get rid of excess hair
>>which can reduce hairballs a little. Every few months I give my cats a bath
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Sherry

Exactly.  Also, you might want to feed a higher quality cat food and then maybe
she won't shed as much.

Lauren
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Karen M. - 17 Oct 2003 02:35 GMT
>>From: sriddles@aol.comkitty  (Sherry )
>
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> Exactly.  Also, you might want to feed a higher quality cat food and then maybe
> she won't shed as much.

Oh, no no no no no no no no!! Do *not* bring up the food with CP, I
repeat *do not* bring up the food!! LOL

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PawsForThought - 17 Oct 2003 02:36 GMT
>From: "Karen M." mskitty@NOSPAMeasystreet.com

>>>From: sriddles@aol.comkitty  (Sherry )
>>
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>Oh, no no no no no no no no!! Do *not* bring up the food with CP, I
>repeat *do not* bring up the food!! LOL

Hey, maybe he would change his cats from Friskies.  Nah, guess not....LOL

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Karen M. - 17 Oct 2003 03:04 GMT
>>From: "Karen M." mskitty@NOSPAMeasystreet.com
>
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> http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
> Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

Lauren,
don't you remember the last time someone got into the Friskies thing
with CP? His panties got in such a twist he's probably *still* prying
them out of his crack...
Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 17 Oct 2003 04:25 GMT
> Lauren,
> don't you remember the last time someone got into the Friskies thing
> with CP? His panties got in such a twist he's probably *still* prying
> them out of his crack...

Given how much of a tight-a** CP is, I doubt he could even get a thong
string up his crack...

anor (my meaner alter ego)
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Karen M. - 17 Oct 2003 05:24 GMT
>>Lauren,
>>don't you remember the last time someone got into the Friskies thing
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>
> anor (my meaner alter ego)

I'm going to tell you the same thing I've told Cheryl - stop that!! I'm
going to need a new monitor for all the spitting up I do while reading
posts!! lol!! :)
Cat Protector - 17 Oct 2003 18:33 GMT
I don't see how picking on me is going to really accomplish your goals here.
All it shows is that you are acting like children.

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> > Lauren,
> > don't you remember the last time someone got into the Friskies thing
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>
> anor (my meaner alter ego)
Karen M. - 17 Oct 2003 23:44 GMT
> I don't see how picking on me is going to really accomplish your goals here.
> All it shows is that you are acting like children.

You're right. Lauren, Rona - stop sucking your thumbs!!
Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 18 Oct 2003 17:31 GMT
> > I don't see how picking on me is going to really accomplish your goals here.
> > All it shows is that you are acting like children.
>
> You're right. Lauren, Rona - stop sucking your thumbs!!

But it's *fun*!!!  :-)

And I wasn't picking on CP.  Stating a fact isn't picking on someone; it's
simply stating a fact :-p!

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PawsForThought - 17 Oct 2003 13:33 GMT
>From: "Karen M." mskitty@NOSPAMeasystreet.com

>>>From: "Karen M." mskitty@NOSPAMeasystreet.com
>>
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>with CP? His panties got in such a twist he's probably *still* prying
>them out of his crack...

I vaguely remember his stance that no matter what food a person feeds their
cat, it doesn't matter and he's going to feed Friskies and he doesn't care what
anyone says.  Am I remembering correctly, or was it worse?  LOL
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Sherry - 17 Oct 2003 14:55 GMT
>I vaguely remember his stance that no matter what food a person feeds their
>cat, it doesn't matter and he's going to feed Friskies and he doesn't care
>what
>anyone says.  Am I remembering correctly, or was it worse?  LOL

Yeah, that's pretty much it. On second thought, that might be why the poor cats
stink after all.

Sherry
Karen M. - 17 Oct 2003 23:47 GMT
> >I vaguely remember his stance that no matter what food a person feeds their
> >cat, it doesn't matter and he's going to feed Friskies and he doesn't care
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>
> Sherry

I don't know. I'm still intrigued by your "inappropriate elimination" guess...
Karen M. - 17 Oct 2003 23:48 GMT
> >I vaguely remember his stance that no matter what food a person feeds their
> >cat, it doesn't matter and he's going to feed Friskies and he doesn't care
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Sherry

I don't know. I'm still intrigued by your "inappropriate elimination" guess...
Sherry - 18 Oct 2003 00:29 GMT
>> Yeah, that's pretty much it. On second thought, that might be why the poor
>cats
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>I don't know. I'm still intrigued by your "inappropriate elimination"
>guess...

ROFL. No, I wasn't talking about CP. Those damn cats that refuse to groom. Or
are too fat to reach. Or won't  use their little kitty bidets.

Sherry
Cathy Friedmann - 17 Oct 2003 03:02 GMT
> >>From: sriddles@aol.comkitty  (Sherry )
> >
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> Oh, no no no no no no no no!! Do *not* bring up the food with CP, I
> repeat *do not* bring up the food!! LOL

She's *not* kidding! <g>   (We've BTDT.)

Cathy

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Cat Protector - 17 Oct 2003 18:40 GMT
I see nothing wrong with the food I feed my cats. It seems that unless
everyone feeds their cats the same food as your group they are nothing more
than bad people. My cats are just fine with the store bought food and are
well cared for. As for the shedding, the reason that my cats shed is because
of their climate. We live in Arizona where it is a warm one. Of course that
means nothing to your little group here.

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> > Oh, no no no no no no no no!! Do *not* bring up the food with CP, I
> > repeat *do not* bring up the food!! LOL
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> "Staccato signals of constant information..."
> ("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon
Karen M. - 17 Oct 2003 23:50 GMT
> I see nothing wrong with the food I feed my cats. It seems that unless
> everyone feeds their cats the same food as your group they are nothing more
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> > "Staccato signals of constant information..."
> > ("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon

I personally don't care if you feed your cat Friskies or not, I just
don't want to see you get another anuerysm....
Cat Protector - 18 Oct 2003 00:08 GMT
I was never ill. I just think it is time for some of the uppercrust members
to stop putting the people down simply because they don't feed their cats
the more expensive brands. It seems some in this group have a big problem
with others because they don't have shared views regarding food.

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"Karen M." <misskittymcgill71@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> I personally don't care if you feed your cat Friskies or not, I just
> don't want to see you get another anuerysm....
Mary - 18 Oct 2003 05:18 GMT
> I was never ill. I just think it is time for some of the uppercrust members
> to stop putting the people down simply because they don't feed their cats
> the more expensive brands. It seems some in this group have a big problem
> with others because they don't have shared views regarding food.

Don't know about that, but my vet told me Friskies is just fine. (The
context was, "She wants canned tuna, but I know that is bad for her.
What should I give her in addition to her (Iams) dry food?" My cats
take one look at Iams canned and look at me like I am out of my mind.
Cheeks tried to cover it up like poo once.) I think maybe your past
tone is coming back to haunt you here. But then again, this is Usenet.
Quite the strange place.
Cat Protector - 18 Oct 2003 20:21 GMT
My cats get to have tuna once and a while but not as a regular food. As for
my past tone, I guess I am just one of those people who don't follow the
elitist but snobbish crowd which feels that if you don't feed your cats the
same food that they do then you are a rotten person. I find Friskies to be
just fine for cats. But for the snobs who thought about stomping on me
because of it I tried feeding my cats one of the so-called expensive brands
which they would not even touch. Right now they get fed Special Kitty and
they like it. I also feed them canned Friskies once a day which they also
enjoy.

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> Don't know about that, but my vet told me Friskies is just fine. (The
> context was, "She wants canned tuna, but I know that is bad for her.
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> tone is coming back to haunt you here. But then again, this is Usenet.
> Quite the strange place.
Sherry - 18 Oct 2003 21:25 GMT
>My cats get to have tuna once and a while but not as a regular food. As for
>my past tone, I guess I am just one of those people who don't follow the
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>they like it. I also feed them canned Friskies once a day which they also
>enjoy.

Geez, CP. I'm not picking on you personally, honest. But *please* consider
feeding something better. You may *think* your cats are doing fine. You and I
could live on Twinkies and Ding-dongs and we'd probably *seem* fine for a long
time. Just like your cats do now. But it would catch up with us. You obviously
care for your cats very, very much. You protect their health in other ways. Why
not preserve their health by just spending a few cents more? Special Kitty is
even worse than Friskies. When you only have two cats, it *really* doesn't add
up to that much more money to feed them quality food.
I am becoming more and more convinced that in people, as well as cats,
nutrition is *extremely* important in maintaining good health as they/we get
older.

Sherry
PawsForThought - 19 Oct 2003 03:45 GMT
>From: "Cat Protector" catprotector@cox.net

> I find Friskies to be
>just fine for cats. But for the snobs who thought about stomping on me
>because of it I tried feeding my cats one of the so-called expensive brands
>which they would not even touch.

Did you introduce the new food very slowly?  You can't just put down a new food
and expect them to eat it.  Most cats are way too particular.
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kaeli - 20 Oct 2003 13:26 GMT
> My cats get to have tuna once and a while but not as a regular food. As for
> my past tone, I guess I am just one of those people who don't follow the
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> they like it. I also feed them canned Friskies once a day which they also
> enjoy.

Mine are pretty picky too and like the junk food. I recently tried
ProPlan canned and they seemed to like that a lot more than the premium
stuff (that is, they actually ate it).

Just a thought.

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Sherry - 20 Oct 2003 16:33 GMT
>Mine are pretty picky too and like the junk food. I recently tried
>ProPlan canned and they seemed to like that a lot more than the premium
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Same here, Kaeli. Pro Plan is the closest thing I could convert my Fancy Feast
junkies. As foods go, I do think it's one of the better ones although I'm sure
not the best around. It's far better than Fancy Feast or Special Kitty and such
for sure though.

Sherry
kaeli - 20 Oct 2003 17:28 GMT
> Same here, Kaeli. Pro Plan is the closest thing I could convert my Fancy Feast
> junkies. As foods go, I do think it's one of the better ones although I'm sure
> not the best around. It's far better than Fancy Feast or Special Kitty and such
> for sure though.
>
> Sherry

That's funny, my cats also love the FF. I wonder if they taste similar
to them?

I wish they'd eat the better foods, but PP is far better than FF, I'm
sure.

They like the PP dry, too.
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Sherry - 21 Oct 2003 00:14 GMT
>That's funny, my cats also love the FF. I wonder if they taste similar
>to them?
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Yoda's an old man, and he got started on the FF habit long before the advent of
internet and good info. beinng available to me. I honestly didn't know. I
thought I was feeding him the best. But I admit FF has its place--around here
there's nothing better to coax a cat who's sick and off his food into eating.
Yoda nearly died from Hepatic Lipidosos, and Fancy Feast roasted turkey
probably saved his life. :)

Sherry
Karen M. - 20 Oct 2003 20:15 GMT
>>Mine are pretty picky too and like the junk food. I recently tried
>>ProPlan canned and they seemed to like that a lot more than the premium
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>
> Sherry

My cats' favorite *by far* is by Trader Joe's (found here on the West
Coast) - it's "Tuna Cat Food", so it smells just like tuna, but is
formulated to be a nutritionally complete food. I get it for treats and
when my Harry was sick a couple of years ago, it was part of his
recovery diet, one of the few things he'd eat when he finally started
eating again. Other than that they get Wellness, and a little Precise
now and then. Never started any of them on FF or Friskies, thank god!
I'd still have "kitty crack" addicted kitties!! :)
Cat Protector - 21 Oct 2003 02:02 GMT
How much is the food you are getting at Trader Joes and what is the brand
name?

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> My cats' favorite *by far* is by Trader Joe's (found here on the West
> Coast) - it's "Tuna Cat Food", so it smells just like tuna, but is
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> now and then. Never started any of them on FF or Friskies, thank god!
> I'd still have "kitty crack" addicted kitties!! :)
Karen M. - 21 Oct 2003 17:42 GMT
> How much is the food you are getting at Trader Joes and what is the brand
> name?
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> > now and then. Never started any of them on FF or Friskies, thank god!
> > I'd still have "kitty crack" addicted kitties!! :)

It's the Trader Joe's brand, and it's actually called "Tuna For Cats"
or something very similar. It smells just like tuna (ick for me, yum
for them) and my cats think I'm a god when I feed it to them. :) TJ's
has other brands, which my cats liked pretty well, so I would
recommend a try of those too, who knows? If I remember correctly, the
tuna food is $.39/can and the regular is a little more than that.

K
PawsForThought - 21 Oct 2003 17:52 GMT
>From: misskittymcgill71@yahoo.com  (Karen M.)

>"Cat Protector" <catprotector@cox.net> wrote in message

>> How much is the food you are getting at Trader Joes and what is the brand
>> name?

>It's the Trader Joe's brand, and it's actually called "Tuna For Cats"
>or something very similar. It smells just like tuna (ick for me, yum
>for them) and my cats think I'm a god when I feed it to them. :) TJ's
>has other brands, which my cats liked pretty well, so I would
>recommend a try of those too, who knows? If I remember correctly, the
>tuna food is $.39/can and the regular is a little more than that.

I love Trader Joe's for people food.  They have the best sherbert, mango and
tangerine flavor.  I am totally addicted to it :)

Lauren
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Karen M. - 22 Oct 2003 18:32 GMT
> >From: misskittymcgill71@yahoo.com  (Karen M.)
>  
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> http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
> Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

They have these cookies there, chocolate-mint with a chocolate
coating. They come in a little cardboard tub, I wish I could remember
the name. They are *heaven*!! Even better than the Girl Scout kind, if
you can believe it. :)
PawsForThought - 22 Oct 2003 20:09 GMT
>From: misskittymcgill71@yahoo.com  (Karen M.)

>> >From: misskittymcgill71@yahoo.com  (Karen M.)
>>  
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>the name. They are *heaven*!! Even better than the Girl Scout kind, if
>you can believe it. :)

Oh sure, give me something else to get addicted to there :)  I'll have to check
them out for sure.  Maybe they'll put some in those sample bins at the check
out.  Lately, they've had these really good cinammon graham crackers.

Lauren
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Karen M. - 23 Oct 2003 00:57 GMT
Do you have the par-baked bread and rolls there? If you haven't noticed
them, go to the bread section and check them out. You just bake for 5-7
minutes and you get the best Italian baked bread, perfect with soups or
pastas. Mmmmmmm :)

>>From: misskittymcgill71@yahoo.com  (Karen M.)
>
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> http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
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PawsForThought - 23 Oct 2003 03:27 GMT
>From: "Karen M." mskitty@NOSPAMeasystreet.com

>Do you have the par-baked bread and rolls there? If you haven't noticed
>them, go to the bread section and check them out. You just bake for 5-7
>minutes and you get the best Italian baked bread, perfect with soups or
>pastas. Mmmmmmm :)

I don't know, I've never looked for them, but I sure will be now :)  Thanks,
Karen!  
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Cat Protector - 22 Oct 2003 03:08 GMT
I had no idea they were now selling cat food now. Maybe when I am there next
I'll get a can.

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"Karen M." <misskittymcgill71@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> It's the Trader Joe's brand, and it's actually called "Tuna For Cats"
> or something very similar. It smells just like tuna (ick for me, yum
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>
> K
PawsForThought - 18 Oct 2003 03:34 GMT
>From: "Cat Protector" catprotector@cox.net

>I see nothing wrong with the food I feed my cats. It seems that unless
>everyone feeds their cats the same food as your group they are nothing more
>than bad people.

I don't care what you feed your cats.  My point was though that if your cats
are shedding a lot and have a bad odor, a change of diet may very well benefit
them.  

Lauren
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Yngver - 20 Oct 2003 18:07 GMT
>I don't care what you feed your cats.  My point was though that if your cats
>are shedding a lot and have a bad odor, a change of diet may very well
>benefit
>them.  

Exactly. It doesn't seem to occur to CP that the diet he feeds his cats may be
the reason they shed a lot and have a bad odor. That is not normal if you are
feeding a high quality diet.
Cat Protector - 17 Oct 2003 02:57 GMT
I know a lot about cats and bathing does not torture or harm them at all.

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> If you knew anything about cats all all, you'd know they "throw" their hair
> when they are frightened. Your cats are terrified of the bath, and that's why
> there's hair all over the place. It isn't normal shedded hair.
>
> Sherry
kaeli - 17 Oct 2003 13:44 GMT
> I know a lot about cats and bathing does not torture or harm them at all.

That would highly depend on the cat. Be careful when you over-
generalize.

I bathe my cats (2 of 3) monthly to reduce dander b/c of my allergies,
but to one of my cats, it IS traumatic. She doesn't get baths any more.
It stressed her too much. To her, everything is a big deal. She's a
Princess, what can I say. She now gets only a damp rag rubbed over her
every few days and she's okay with that.

Cats are as individual as people. Some don't really mind baths that
much. A few even like water. Some despise it with an almost phobic
passion. The act of bathing a cat IS torture if the poor thing is
terrified of water. Only you know your cat enough to know if that is the
case. Do not presume to know every cat. No one knows everything about
anything.

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Yngver - 17 Oct 2003 20:41 GMT
>I know a lot about cats and bathing does not torture or harm them at all.

You've more than proven that you don't know a lot about cats, cat food,
shedding, or whether or not bathing can harm a cat. For one thing, too frequent
bathing strips the fur of natural oils, dries out the skin and can cause
various skin problems. And yes, subjecting a cat to something unnecessary and
unpleasant for the cat simply because you want to is a form of torment.
Cheryl - 17 Oct 2003 23:05 GMT
>> I know a lot about cats and bathing does not torture or harm them
>> at all.
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> subjecting a cat to something unnecessary and unpleasant for the
> cat simply because you want to is a form of torment.

And control.
MaryL - 14 Oct 2003 05:11 GMT
> Hiya...
> anyone knows of the most natural, non-chemical way that I can bathe my cat
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>
> Thanks!

Is it possible he needs a nutritional supplement for dry skin?  Also, I am
assuming that the flea problem has been solved.  If not, you should probably
talk to your vet about Advantage or Frontline.  (Do NOT use over-the-counter
flea preparations.)

MaryL
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Syd - 14 Oct 2003 17:47 GMT
> Hiya...
> anyone knows of the most natural, non-chemical way that I can bathe my cat
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>
> Thanks!

You might try rubbing a natural, light, edible oil under his fur, then
dusting him down with rice flour or cornstarch, then brushing it
out...The oil would definitely help his skin, and soothe the places
where there is discomfort. I would use something like hazelnut (very
light) or avacado oil, although olive oil would work pretty well. The
powder (definitely not talc) would absorb the excess oil (so he
doesn't get too loose, if you know what I mean) and brushing it out
would keep him from consuming too much of it, while removing the
excess dirt, scalies and other yuckies.

Good luck, I would be interested to hear how it goes!

Syd
Gid Tanner - 16 Oct 2003 19:42 GMT
I have to tell an old joke that this thread reminded me of--I
apologize if you've heard it before:

"You know, I had to stop giving my cat baths."

"Why is that?"

"It was too hard getting the fur off of my tongue."

:-)

Joe
PawsForThought - 17 Oct 2003 02:03 GMT
>From: minglewood@nls.net  (Gid Tanner)

>I have to tell an old joke that this thread reminded me of--I
>apologize if you've heard it before:
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>
>:-)

LOL!!!!  Good one :)

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