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find my kitty a new home?
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Foxsrus1 - 12 Oct 2003 04:12 GMT I may have to move...won't be able to take him. how best to find him a nice home?
Mary - 12 Oct 2003 04:35 GMT Why can't you take him? If you want to, you can make certain that he will be welcome wherever you have to live. Think about it.
> I may have to move...won't be able to take him. > how best to find him a nice home? Matt - 13 Oct 2003 12:50 GMT I think it depends on the type of move. We are planning to move back to the US sooner or later from Europe and I am starting to wonder if it might be better to find a new good home for my two kitties. I personally know of two people who have had otherwise healthy cats die on long international flights and even the airline has mentioned that a certain percentage of animals just can't handle the stress (the airline person I spoke to put that number around 15%). Also we would be moving into an inlaws place --> going from a two bedroom apartment in Europe into a studio.
Depending on the circumstances it is sometimes better for the cat to find a new home instead of moving it. However, giving the cat into a shelter or giving it up because it has become "inconvenient" is unacceptable.
Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 13 Oct 2003 15:21 GMT > I think it depends on the type of move. We are planning to move back > to the US sooner or later from Europe and I am starting to wonder if [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > be moving into an inlaws place --> going from a two bedroom apartment > in Europe into a studio. <snip>
I'm giving serious thought to that, too. I'll likely be moving to Japan in the spring and am debating whether to take my cat. I've done the research and she will have to be taken as excess baggage or cargo so she won't be able to be in the cabin with me. Plus once we arrive she'll have to spend 2-weeks (minimum) in quarrantine. I'm lucky in that my mother can keep her if I decide not to take her, but my mother is not as aware of my cat as I am (i.e. the cat gets out when my mother opens the door and my mother doesn't even notice). That's actually the main reason I want to take her with me. I have six more months to decide what to do. Decisions, decisions... (and I'm not even sure the company I'll be working for will allow me to keep a cat.)
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zuzu22@webtv.net - 13 Oct 2003 16:42 GMT Rona wrote:
>I'm not even sure the company I'll be >working for will allow me to keep a cat I will never understand this mentality. I would never work for a company that placed restrictions on my keeping my cats and I would never move somewhere where I had to put them through a long ride overseas in cargo or quarantine. I don't care if it means taking a lower paying job or finding a new one. You never see people write these sort of things when children are involved and AFAIC the responsibility to our pets is exactly the same. For me, come hell or high water, abandoning the cats is not an option. No excuses.
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Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 13 Oct 2003 20:14 GMT > Rona wrote: > >I'm not even sure the company I'll be > >working for will allow me to keep a cat > > I will never understand this mentality. It isn't so much that the company would prohibit pets, but I would be living in a company apartment and they may have restrictions on pets in the apartment.
> I would never work for a company that placed restrictions on my keeping > my cats and I would never move somewhere where I had to put them through > a long ride overseas in cargo or quarantine. I don't care if it means > taking a lower paying job or finding a new one. Easier said than done for many. I have close to $50 000 in student loans to pay and this job would allow me to do that. Staying where I am now means low-paying part-time contract work with no benefits, no job security and barely making my loan payments (that is pretty much the state of things for people in my profession). I'd much rather travel overseas with my cat (or leave her with someone temporarily) than be forced to give her up because I cannot afford to care for her.
>You never see people > write these sort of things when children are involved and AFAIC the > responsibility to our pets is exactly the same. For me, come hell or > high water, abandoning the cats is not an option. No excuses. Not reading about it doesn't mean the dilemma does not occur. Often when one parent is posted abroad, if for some reason the children cannot accompany him/her, the other parent will stay behind with the children. Sometimes the child may stay behind with relatives or family friends. A former student from Morocco lived in New York with her husband (he was a diplomat) and family. After her husband died suddenly, the family moved back to Morocco but one son, who was in his early teens, wanted to stay in the US. She arranged for him to live with some very close friends while the rest of the family went back. It wasn't that she didn't love him or want him to be with her, but she recognized it was important to him/for him to stay in the US and was willing to make that sacrifice.
My cat already lives in my mother's house (with me) and my mother already takes care of her when I'm away (including caring for her for 1 year while I was at grad school). Therefore, she is already the other caregiver. She may not give as much care for my cat as I would, but she usually does a good job (except the accidentally letting her out part). I think if I were to take this other job (a two-year commitment) and if I were to leave my cat with my mother, she would be more careful because she knows how pissed off I would be if she lost Kitty.
This all may be pre-mature, but I like to be prepared so I have been giving this a lot of thought.
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Iso - 13 Oct 2003 22:31 GMT Rona,
Very well said! I couldn't AGREE with you more. As someone who has been in your position, I completely sympathize with you regarding your situation. I really don't think that if Megan had the same opportunities and a full life ahead of her she would balk, as she said she would. As you also noted, just because one doesn't read about doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I applaud your effort to ask for advice.
> > Rona wrote: > > >I'm not even sure the company I'll be [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > rona Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 14 Oct 2003 02:50 GMT > Rona, > > Very well said! Thanks for the compliment :-).
>I couldn't AGREE with you more. As someone who has been in > your position, I completely sympathize with you regarding your situation. I > really don't think that if Megan had the same opportunities and a full life > ahead of her she would balk, as she said she would. Well, I don't know that I would say that. I'm sure Megan has made many sacrifices for the cats in her life.
>As you also noted, just > because one doesn't read about doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I applaud > your effort to ask for advice. It is a very difficult decision for anyone to make. I'm lucky in that I know she'll have a safe place to go (she wouldn't be going anywhere, actually, just staying put) should I not take her with me. Plus I know that I can come back anytime to visit her and in two years, I'll be back for good with her. If I didn't know all that, I don't know that I would have even considered the job to begin with. I made a commitment when I got her, and I take my commitments very seriously.
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MacCandace - 14 Oct 2003 02:53 GMT << I really don't think that if Megan had the same opportunities and a full life ahead of her she would balk, as she said she would. >>
Well, gee, that's a teensy bit judgemental, isn't it? And how do you know what portion of her life Megan has ahead of her? Are you Divine?
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Iso - 14 Oct 2003 04:03 GMT I'm not celestial by any means. She posted a link to some temporary web space so she could post pictures of her cats. It may be judgmental of me to presume that she never had to deal with the choices Rona has had to deal with. Nonetheless, in today's society it's a rarity to find someone who is severely in debt, and refuses to jump at an opportunity to get his or her life on track. Furthermore, I can't even fathom the idea of how someone in Rona's position would put his or her life on hold because of a cat. Yeah, I know about the pledge or responsibility to the cat, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere and Rona has made the best decision she can. The cat is going to the next best person, her mother.
> << I > really don't think that if Megan had the same opportunities and a full life [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other > than human." (Loren Eisely) zuzu22@webtv.net - 14 Oct 2003 06:27 GMT >I really don't think that if Megan had the >same opportunities and a full life ahead of >her she would balk, as she said she >would. Considering that you know nothing about me or my life, what do you base this claim on? Are you so certain of this that you would be willing to bet your life on it?
FYI, I have a full life now and AFAICT a full life ahead of me. And that life includes my cats, who I love with all my heart and will never abandon or sacrifice, especially not for a reason as superficial as more money, a job, a man, etc. I will love and care for each and every one of them until they cross the Rainbow Bridge. That you*can* bet your life on.
I also have had and will have plenty of "opportunities." They often consist of rescuing cats from people just like you.
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- W.H. Murray
Iso - 14 Oct 2003 15:26 GMT As I said before, you are a rarity in this world.
> >I really don't think that if Megan had the > >same opportunities and a full life ahead of [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > - W.H. Murray Mary - 14 Oct 2003 16:33 GMT > As I said before, you are a rarity in this world. That's certainly one way to put it. I agree that it is sad and to be avoided if at all possible to give up one's cats. I cannot imagine giving up mine and never have given up a pet in my life. But the self righteous tone is not necessary and such bad form.
Best of luck to the original poster in this difficult decision. I think if I had to give one of mine up, I would choose a no-kill shelter where I know the animal would not meet with death unless very sick.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 14 Oct 2003 17:14 GMT <snip hypocritical comments>
>I think if I had to give one of mine up, I >would choose a no-kill shelter where I >know the animal would not meet with >death unless very sick. So you're willing to saddle an already overworked shelter with *your* responsibility *and* take space away from a cat that desperately needs it. Find it a home yourself instead of expecting other people to do it for you.
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"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way."
- W.H. Murray
Iso - 14 Oct 2003 17:34 GMT I think its pretty obvious... Nonetheless, its her decision and her cat. She can and will make that decision when and if the time ever arose.
> <snip hypocritical comments> > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > - W.H. Murray zuzu22@webtv.net - 14 Oct 2003 17:45 GMT I think its pretty obvious...
What is...that she's a hypocrite or that she's willing to saddle an already overworked shelter with *her* responsibility *and* take space away from a cat that desperately needs it?
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"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way."
- W.H. Murray
Mary - 14 Oct 2003 18:00 GMT > I think its pretty obvious... Nonetheless, its her decision and her cat. She > can and will make that decision when and if the time ever arose. Precisely. Rather than entrust one of my cats to just anyone, I would probably place it in the care of the people from whom I have adopted wonderfully socialized adult cats in the past. On second thought, I would most definitely do this rather than place my trust in strangers.
Megan just gets off on that self righteous tone. Her shrillness leads many to turn a deaf ear, click past her, or killfile her. Her asinine assumptions preclude the possibility that I run and/or fund a no-kill shelter, participate in fundraisers, etc. Just another arrogant post that attests to her ignorance.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 14 Oct 2003 19:25 GMT > Rather than entrust one of my cats to > just anyone, I would probably place it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > thought, I would most definitely do this > rather than place my trust in strangers. Your logic is incredibly flawed. Unless they are good friends with *everyone,* they are placing their trust in strangers, just as every shelter or rescuer under the sun does.
> Megan just gets off on that self > righteous tone. This has nothing to do with self righteousness. It has everything to do with personal responsibility and doing what is right. You don't like it because it is *you* that is being criticized for failing to exhibit either of these things.
>Her asinine assumptions > preclude the possibility that I run > and/or fund a no-kill shelter, > participate in fundraisers, etc. Just > another arrogant post that attests to > her ignorance Again, your logic is incredibly flawed. Donating to or participating in fundraisers does not in any way, shape or form excuse you from doing the right and ethical thing and taking responsibility yourself, nor does it condone your dumping your cat on somebody else and expecting them to find a home for it. Not to mention the life that will likely be lost because your cat is unnecessarily taking up space.
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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
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"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way."
- W.H. Murray
Cheryl - 15 Oct 2003 00:03 GMT > Megan just gets off on that self righteous tone. Her shrillness > leads many to turn a deaf ear, click past her, or killfile her. How do you know this? Have you polled all of the readers, contributors and lurkers here? Or do you presume to speak for everyone?
Mary - 15 Oct 2003 00:11 GMT > > Megan just gets off on that self righteous tone. Her shrillness > > leads many to turn a deaf ear, click past her, or killfile her. > > How do you know this? Have you polled all of the readers, > contributors and lurkers here? Or do you presume to speak for > everyone? Does "many" mean everyone?
Meanwhile ... private correspondance is none of your business. We each have a right to our opinions. I think Megan is overbearing and obnoxious, as do others. You may think what you like. Isn't that neat?
Cheryl - 15 Oct 2003 01:58 GMT > Meanwhile ... private correspondance is none of your business. We > each have a right to our opinions. You're right of course. I just couldn't imagine you sitting around emailing people about other people on a Usenet group. Oh, well, to each their own. Carry on. :)
-L. - 15 Oct 2003 07:19 GMT > > > Megan just gets off on that self righteous tone. Her shrillness > > > leads many to turn a deaf ear, click past her, or killfile her. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Meanwhile ... private correspondance is none of your business. Ah, yes. "Lurkers support me in e-mail!" That age-old Usenet reply when one is caught without another retort!
-L.
Mary - 15 Oct 2003 07:42 GMT > > > > Megan just gets off on that self righteous tone. Her shrillness > > > > leads many to turn a deaf ear, click past her, or killfile her. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Ah, yes. "Lurkers support me in e-mail!" That age-old Usenet reply > when one is caught without another retort! No retort was necessary.
Karen M. - 15 Oct 2003 01:39 GMT >>I think its pretty obvious... Nonetheless, its her decision and her > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > shelter, participate in fundraisers, etc. Just another arrogant post > that attests to her ignorance. Megan is certainly not ignorant. You may disagree with her, but Megan knows more about cats and their rescue and care than most, and she gives a damn. Something I wish more did (not meaning you).
K
-L. - 15 Oct 2003 07:21 GMT > Megan just gets off on that self righteous tone. Her shrillness leads > many to turn a deaf ear, click past her, or killfile her. Her asinine > assumptions preclude the possibility that I run and/or fund a no-kill > shelter, participate in fundraisers, etc. Just another arrogant post > that attests to her ignorance. Gee, what's your name again? Mary Sunshine?
<g,d>
-L.
frlpwr - 14 Oct 2003 22:30 GMT (snip)
> I would choose a no-kill shelter where I know the animal would not meet with death > unless very sick. I'd like to know where no-kill shelters have so much empty space that someone can "choose" to surrender their animal whenever (s)he feels like it.
Around here, no-kill shelters' first priority is rescuing animals scheduled to be euthanized at public shelters, not taking Fluffy from some goofball who wants to move to a "no pets" apartment or who hooks up with a lover who's allergic to cats.
Cheryl - 15 Oct 2003 00:00 GMT >> I would choose a no-kill shelter where I know the animal would not >> meet with death unless very sick. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > hooks up > with a lover who's allergic to cats. That's how it is here, too. There's only one real no-kill shelter and they can only have about 50 cats at a time and that's pushing it, plus a donation of at least $50 is required to surrender a pet to them.
-L. - 15 Oct 2003 07:20 GMT > > As I said before, you are a rarity in this world. > > > That's certainly one way to put it. I agree that it is sad and to be > avoided if at all possible to give up one's cats. I cannot imagine > giving up mine and never have given up a pet in my life. But the self > righteous tone is not necessary and such bad form. IMO, you're coming off pretty darn self-righteous with your incessant finger-wagging.
-L.
Mary - 15 Oct 2003 07:43 GMT > > > As I said before, you are a rarity in this world. > > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -L. When I say that Megan is obnoxious, I do not wag my finger.
-L. - 15 Oct 2003 07:26 GMT > As I said before, you are a rarity in this world. Unfortunately, she is, and that's why hundreds of thousands of healthy animals are killed in the US every day.
Megan's right. An animal is a life-long committment, just like a child is. And even when it comes time to kick the bucket, you need to have provisions for them, as well.
-L.
Mary - 15 Oct 2003 07:46 GMT > > As I said before, you are a rarity in this world. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -L. God but I do love tunnel-visioned extremists. Carry on, clown girl.
-L. - 15 Oct 2003 14:32 GMT > > "Iso" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:<sITib.105197$eS5.100602@twister.tampabay.rr.com>... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > God but I do love tunnel-visioned extremists. Carry on, clown girl. Oh, right. Advocating pet guardianship as a life-long committment sure is *extremist*. <rolls eyes>
Gee Megan, where'd ya pick this one up? -L.
Karen M. - 15 Oct 2003 19:26 GMT >>>"Iso" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > sure is *extremist*. > <rolls eyes> Of course there are extreme circumstances in some cases where rehoming would be the best course, but indeed what is wrong with advocating lifetime commitments to our pets? One should *always* adopt a pet with this in mind. I guess I'm an "extremist" too... ;)
K
> Gee Megan, where'd ya pick this one up? > -L. Mary - 15 Oct 2003 20:32 GMT > >>>"Iso" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Of course there are extreme circumstances in some cases where rehoming > would be the best course This is my point. Only an extremist would suggest that there are NEVER times when one cannot or should not keep an animal.
Karen M. - 15 Oct 2003 22:23 GMT >>>"Mary" <rosefan@email.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > This is my point. Only an extremist would suggest that there are NEVER > times when one cannot or should not keep an animal. I don't think anyone on here would say there's *never* a time when one should rehome a cat, but that people often put their own interests ahead of their pet, and fail to keep their commitments. They are like children in that they are totally dependent upon us for love, safety and well-being and people need to wake up and realize that.
I also feel the term "extremist" is thrown around much too easily these days... that's just IMO.
Mary - 15 Oct 2003 23:54 GMT > > This is my point. Only an extremist would suggest that there are NEVER > > times when one cannot or should not keep an animal. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I also feel the term "extremist" is thrown around much too easily these > days... that's just IMO. Karen--anyone following this thread has read that I have never given up any pet I adopted, and that I cannot imagine accepting circumstances that would force me to give up my babies. I have said that repeatedly, in this and other threads. Still, to browbeat someone who honestly feels they have no other choice than to give up their cat is not productive. That was Megan's stance. She feels there is NEVER a reason to give up a cat. If in doubt, read the thread again.
I said what I said about shelters because I have a close relationship with such agencies and know what they put into screening those who wish to adopt. I honestly think they would do a better job than I would in finding any of my beloved creatures a new home. Not all shelters are this way, granted. Whether people who must give up their pets to a no-kill shelter or to a private individual, what we want to avoid is the horrible practices of 1) "dropping" or abandoning them and 1) handing them over to agencies that will kill them. That was my point.
As for the term "extremis," I disagree. Watch the news much?
Karen M. - 16 Oct 2003 01:56 GMT >>>This is my point. Only an extremist would suggest that there are > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > is not productive. That was Megan's stance. She feels there is NEVER a > reason to give up a cat. If in doubt, read the thread again. Mary, I have been reading this newsgroup for quite a while and feel I know Megan's views quite well. I think Megan's criteria is much stricter than your's as to what would constitute a good reason to rehome a cat, it would be if it were truly in the cat's best interest, not the owner's, and every possible alternative had been explored. Megan, like some others on here, has seen and heard probably every case in the book and is tired of people giving up their chosen responsibility. God bless her for her dedication, even if sometimes she probably should count to 10 before posting. ;)
> I said what I said about shelters because I have a close relationship > with such agencies and know what they put into screening those who [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > As for the term "extremis," I disagree. Watch the news much? Every day, it's become a handy label to discredit those who disagree with the powers that be, whether that be an individual or the government.
Cheryl - 16 Oct 2003 03:24 GMT > Mary, > I have been reading this newsgroup for quite a while and feel I know [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > case in the book and is tired of people giving up their chosen > responsibility. God bless her for her dedication, I'm glad you're sticking up for her too because I have a story to tell that wouldn't be told if not for her dedication to animal welfare and stick-to-it-ness. I'd been feeling bad about these strays in my neighborhood and while I was volunteering for our SPCA I realized they weren't able to help a whole lot, with having so many other homeless cats and I felt helpless about the situation. The SPCA was great about neutering whoever I trapped and brought in, gave shots, etc.. all on grant money. While we're not talking about a LOT of cats here, they mean a lot to me. With a lot of coaxing and collaboration on a flyer to hang around my place of work, 2 of the 3 strays have now been adopted (not including my own Bonnie feral who is just a joy, foot fetish and all) and the one that went to his new home yesterday turned out to have a pretty bad infection in his foot (didn't even limp!) which wouldn't have been caught if he was still out there until it was probably too late. One more to go.
even if sometimes
> she probably should count to 10 before posting. ;) HA! So many of us here that fit that bill. lol ;)
Karen M. - 16 Oct 2003 21:06 GMT > > Mary, > > I have been reading this newsgroup for quite a while and feel I know [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > HA! So many of us here that fit that bill. lol ;) Oh yes, me included! (as you well know...) ;) tee hee hee
Mary - 16 Oct 2003 22:56 GMT > > > Mary, > > > I have been reading this newsgroup for quite a while and feel I know [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Oh yes, me included! (as you well know...) ;) tee hee hee Well, I guess me too.
Karen M. - 17 Oct 2003 00:51 GMT >>"Cheryl" <jlh@NOSPAMpetitmorte.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > > Well, I guess me too. Now, can we all count to ten in a foreign language??? ;)
Mary - 17 Oct 2003 04:44 GMT "Karen M." <mskitty@easystreetNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> Now, can we all count to ten in a foreign language??? ;) Um ...
un deux trois?? Could 7th grade French have been THAT long ago? ;)
Karen M. - 17 Oct 2003 05:57 GMT uno, dos, tres, quatro, cinco, seis, siete, ocho, nueve, diez!! Woo hoo! The sad thing is I took 5 years of Spanish and never use it, so I'm quite pleased I can still say "My leg is broken" and "Where is the bathroom". Okay, I'm not *that* bad, but pretty pathetic these days!! :)
> "Karen M." <mskitty@easystreetNOSPAM.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > un deux trois?? Could 7th grade French have been THAT long ago? ;) Mary - 16 Oct 2003 06:25 GMT > Every day, it's become a handy label to discredit those who disagree > with the powers that be, whether that be an individual or the government. I see. Well, I consider George Dubya Bush an extremist, and Israel an extremist government. On the other hand, I think the Palestinians are merely reacting to years of unfair and brutal occupation.
Some consider my views to be quite extreme. <G
Karen M. - 16 Oct 2003 19:55 GMT > > Every day, it's become a handy label to discredit those who disagree > > with the powers that be, whether that be an individual or the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Some consider my views to be quite extreme. <G> And same here. <BG> I am definitely not a fan of Dubya, and unfortunately his policies are all to common within the Republican party right now. I personally think he's a got ring-wing extremists running his DOI and DOJ right now. I'm not saying the word "extremist" doesn't have it's place, rather that we as a society need to be careful how we apply it, lest it starts to lose its meaning and purpose. ;)
Mary - 16 Oct 2003 22:55 GMT > > Some consider my views to be quite extreme. <G> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > careful how we apply it, lest it starts to lose its meaning and > purpose. ;) Point taken. Wonder if I will get flamed for my nasty "liberal" words! Politics has no place in a cat group! Mea culpa! <G>
Back to the topic, I am passionate about many things, cats not least of all. Megan's tone just annoys me, so it is hard to even "hear" anything she says. I click past her. Nothing personal. We all have our things.
Karen M. - 17 Oct 2003 00:57 GMT >>>Some consider my views to be quite extreme. <G> >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > anything she says. I click past her. Nothing personal. We all have our > things. It's definitely hard to communicate like this, there's no body language, facial expression, or aural tone to go with the words. In fact, I just apologized on here to a very nice woman who mistook something I said and thought it was directed at her, which it definitely wasn't.
Now as for your liberal comments, you won't hear any complaints here, but it definitely leads to some ugly OT threads, doesn't it??? <BG>
K
Mary - 17 Oct 2003 04:45 GMT > >>>Some consider my views to be quite extreme. <G> > >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > K Yep! I know better than to bring it up, too! Glad we are clear with one another, any way.
Karen M. - 17 Oct 2003 05:29 GMT >>>>>Some consider my views to be quite extreme. <G> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > Yep! I know better than to bring it up, too! Glad we are clear with > one another, any way. And we'll be even more clear if you send me some chocolate... mmmmmmm... :)
Mary - 17 Oct 2003 05:36 GMT "Karen M." <mskitty@NOSPAMeasystreet.com> wrote in message
> And we'll be even more clear if you send me some chocolate... mmmmmmm... :) Can you wait 'til after Thanksgiving? Less chance of melting! :)
Karen M. - 17 Oct 2003 05:56 GMT Oh, I guess so! LOL!
> "Karen M." <mskitty@NOSPAMeasystreet.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Can you wait 'til after Thanksgiving? Less chance of melting! :) Cathy Friedmann - 14 Oct 2003 03:16 GMT <snips>
> It isn't so much that the company would prohibit pets, but I would be living > in a company apartment and they may have restrictions on pets in the > apartment.
> Easier said than done for many. I have close to $50 000 in student loans to > pay and this job would allow me to do that. Staying where I am now means [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > leave her with someone temporarily) than be forced to give her up because I > cannot afford to care for her.
> My cat already lives in my mother's house (with me) and my mother already > takes care of her when I'm away (including caring for her for 1 year while I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > rona Good luck w/ making this decision, as you work through it, with its various logisitics & pros & cons.
Cathy
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Barb 1 - 13 Oct 2003 01:15 GMT I've moved dozens of times and always took my one, two or finally three cats with me. If you are renting landlords will often accept cats where they won't accept dogs.
-- Barb I can only please one person a day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either.
kaeli - 13 Oct 2003 13:39 GMT > I may have to move...won't be able to take him. > how best to find him a nice home? Not by posting "free to good home" ads. Always charge something. Giving cats away tends to make people think they aren't worth anything. You get some real nut jobs looking for those "free" cats.
You have to screen people that want to adopt him. Sometimes, people suck. Put his picture with a nice description of his personality and the reason he needs a home (so people don't think it's b/c of his behavior) in local pet stores, vet clinics, and the shelter. Don't forget to put your name and phone number on the paper.
If you are unable to take the time to really screen potential adoptees, get him in with a local rescue group that fosters cats in their homes instead of in cages. This can mean being on a waiting list, though, so if you're moving soon, start calling around now.
Personally, I could never move without my babies. I'd find a way to take them. ------------------------------------------------- ~kaeli~ Jesus saves, Allah protects, and Cthulhu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace -------------------------------------------------
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