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DemoDisk - 08 Oct 2003 01:07 GMT
Hi, all:

I haven't posted to any of the .cats groups since we lost KitKat 3 years
ago, but now I have a question....

On the 25th of May we discovered on the back stoop a frightened little
kitten about 6 weeks old (said the vet). KitKat had taught us to obey, so
there was no question about taking him in.

PJ is now a swaggering young cat about 5? months old. He's an indoor cat bcz
we don't want to lose him to the highway predator like we lost KitKat (he
even looks like her).

Tomorrow he goes to TED to ...well... get fixed. There's not really time to
rethink the decision, but I'd like to know how other folks feel about
neutering a pet they love.

I guess what I'm asking is if it's the right thing to do *to* him or for him
now. He's energetic and strong-willed now, on occasion very sweet, but
sometimes  more than we can handle.  How will neutering change him?
Cathy Friedmann - 08 Oct 2003 01:12 GMT
The only ways neutering will change him is that he won't crave going out to
find female cats in heat.  His pee won't stink to high heaven (sexually
mature male cats' pee **stinks** - enough to make one's eyes water), & he'll
be less likely to spray.   IOW - good idea to get him neutered now, at 5?
months.  He'll never know the difference, but you will. ;-)

Cathy

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon

> Hi, all:
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> now. He's energetic and strong-willed now, on occasion very sweet, but
> sometimes  more than we can handle.  How will neutering change him?
Lauralai - 08 Oct 2003 01:16 GMT
hi
neutering is apsolutely the right thing to do, not only will it help keep
him healthier it will also help prevent him from spraying
here are a few links you can read for all the pros for nutureing

http://www.hsus.org/ace/11879
http://www.care-for-my-cat.com/html/when_and_why_spay_or_neuter.html
http://www.thecatsite.com/care/spay.html
if you look on google you can find more too by searching

> Hi, all:
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> now. He's energetic and strong-willed now, on occasion very sweet, but
> sometimes  more than we can handle.  How will neutering change him?
Iso - 08 Oct 2003 02:18 GMT
Fix it and forget about it. You are doing your community and yourself a
favor by neutering/castrating the cat! Yes, the cat will change; although
every animal is different, there are some factors in all cats that change
once it is neutered. Neutering makes for a better pet, removing the hormonal
factors and associated behavior of a sexually active pet. Once neutered,
cats are usually very affectionate and more predictable in their behavior,
although not all the time. Results vary, but some of the prevailing symptoms
of castration are: less prone to wandering, more affectionate, less
aggressive, less territorial, more social with other felines and healthier.
Males will also decrease their desire to spray and mark everything within
their territory, but it wont stop the spraying all the time. For most
owners, keeping a non-castrated cat in the house is not possible. Cut its
balls off and get on with your life. It's just a cat! You can always get
another!

> Hi, all:
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> now. He's energetic and strong-willed now, on occasion very sweet, but
> sometimes  more than we can handle.  How will neutering change him?
Sunflower - 08 Oct 2003 03:29 GMT
> Hi, all:
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> now. He's energetic and strong-willed now, on occasion very sweet, but
> sometimes  more than we can handle.  How will neutering change him?

'Don't project human emotions onto your cat.  Neutering does nothing but
affect them positively, and they do NOT miss out on anything.  If you have
it done young enough, they don't even notice anything's happened.  They are
far more affected by the anesthesia than the actual procedure. Full healing
for 8 week old male kittens is approximately 5 days.  Add an additional
healing day for every month over 2.  The earlier the better.

Sunflower
Philip ? - 08 Oct 2003 04:37 GMT
In news:0EKgb.2504$oC5.2210@clmboh1-nws5.columbus.rr.com,
Sunflower <sunflwrNOSPAM@midsouth.rr.com> being of bellicose mind
posted:
> > Hi, all:
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> Sunflower

I had neutered a Siamese male THAT young.  10 weeks was too young.
WAY too young.  Weight issues and personality beyond the fickle an
neurotic characteristics of Siamese anyway.  Took extra effort to
socialize him.

My best "timing" has been to wait until the cat first starts the late
night yowling to get out of the house to hump anything that he can
pin down ... so to speak.  For this current tabby, that was nearly 9
months.
--

  ~~Philip                 "Never let school interfere
                                 with your education - Mark Twain"
Sunflower - 08 Oct 2003 16:00 GMT
> In news:0EKgb.2504$oC5.2210@clmboh1-nws5.columbus.rr.com,
> Sunflower <sunflwrNOSPAM@midsouth.rr.com> being of bellicose mind
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>    ~~Philip

We've juvenile spay/neutered 1319 kittens and 417 puppies (2-6 months) over
10 1/2 years of our vet's practice.  Complication % are well below the 6
months+ group.  Reports of additional weight gain or personality changes in
juvenile spay/neuters is also less than with 6 months+ animals, and that was
darn minimal for them.  Your experiences are idiosyncratic, and while I'm
not downplaying what you assess in your own cat, the changes you describe
are not at all common and perhaps are due to the individual personality of
the cat and his interaction with his environment and not directly
attributable to juvenile neutering versus waiting until he was older.  Just
because A follows B does not mean A *causes* B.  Only one out my 6 boys
decided to become a cat balloon after neutering, and it wasn't because of
the operation at all, and he was a year old when it was done.  It was
because he was a stray that didn't know the source of his next meal so
whenever food was provided, he'd eat, whether he was hungry or not.  We're
working on behavioral modification of that tendancy, and at least he's not
gaining any more weight, but like humans, it's a lifelong battle.  None of
the juvenile spayed girls have a weight problem, and none of the rest of the
juvenile neutered boys do either, including the one that was neutered at 6
weeks when he was 1 1/2 lbs.

Sunflower

Sunflower
-L. - 08 Oct 2003 07:20 GMT
> Hi, all:
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> rethink the decision, but I'd like to know how other folks feel about
> neutering a pet they love.

It's the only responsible thing to do.  Not only are you saving future
kittens from death on the streets, you are extending PJ's life by
curtailing him from fighting (and possibly contracting fatal diseases)
and suffering from mating stress.

> I guess what I'm asking is if it's the right thing to do *to* him or for him
> now. He's energetic and strong-willed now, on occasion very sweet, but
> sometimes  more than we can handle.  How will neutering change him?

It may mellow him out a bit, it may not.  What it will do is probably
prevent him from spraying all over your house.

Please be assured that you are doing the right thing.

-L.
Mr Nangla - 08 Oct 2003 15:36 GMT
"Don't forget to neuter your pets"     Homer J Simpson

sham126

> Hi, all:
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> now. He's energetic and strong-willed now, on occasion very sweet, but
> sometimes  more than we can handle.  How will neutering change him?
DemoDisk - 09 Oct 2003 09:15 GMT
Thanks to everyone for your sincere replies; I'm grateful that you cared.

I disagree with Iso that "It's just a cat," and "you can always get
another," but I  was getting too sentimental. Getting PJ neutered seemed
like a big step and I do love the little guy.

Well, it's done. I took him at the appointed hour, and the kind nurse fussed
over him and took down the information they didn't already have. They let me
see him once more before I left; he was in the back in a "cat condo" with
other patients who were also getting fixed. His cage door said "CASTRATION."
PJ didn't have a clue...which made all my fears and sympathies worse. Guy
thing, I suppose.

The vet's called me at home very early; they'd changed the surgical schedule
and he was ready to go home. I returned with a doped-up, unresponsive tomcat
who just lay there unmoving for hours, answering me with flicks of his tail.
Gradually, he roused and got a bit to eat. Then he started checking his
places: behind the kitchen wastebasket, on top of the piano, etc. Mostly
he'd wobble a few steps, collapse and stay put. Finally, this evening he
accepted a snack and then grabbed my wrist and mildly chomped my hand.

I'm joyous; PJ's back.
m. L. Briggs - 09 Oct 2003 21:37 GMT
>Thanks to everyone for your sincere replies; I'm grateful that you cared.
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>I'm joyous; PJ's back.

You really feel it for him, don't you?   Me too.  Good luck.   MLB
-L. - 10 Oct 2003 04:17 GMT
> Thanks to everyone for your sincere replies; I'm grateful that you cared.

You did the right thing.  Congrats!

-L.
 
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