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I am afraid of my cat! HELP ME!! (long!)

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patti - 08 Oct 2003 05:04 GMT
I have several questions for you cat folks--a little background first:
6 years ago I adopted a stray--I did not want to (I was previously a
dog person). The cat showed up pathetic and skinny and we were having
an ice storm so I fed it and eventually gave it a place to live in the
laundry room (we lived on a really busy street). The cat is unusally
big and pretty--my plan was to just feed it until i found an owner
(YARITE--you know how THAT goes!) ---it would bite my feet whenever I
would do the laundry---trying to get my attention etcetera. Luckily I
was always wearing footwear. My friend told me that it is definately a
"calico" cat and therefore it HAD to be female. From the very
beginning it has been ridiculously aggressive but once I decided it
was mine I thought I would killit with kindness!! give it love love
love to prove a point if to no one else to myself. (I was kind of dumb
but my method did actually work to a point)  I named her ginger (short
for gingersnap) and sure enough ginger has always KIND OF liked me
---despite also biting and scratching me from time to time. I always
forgave her quickly and "self-diagnosed" her as having "affection
aggression disorder". (you can be petting her and then BLAM! she bites
ya!) I could never get ginger in a carrier so I have never had her
innoculated for anything. (sorry--but she has huge fangs and claws and
the more I don't try to control her the better) anyway!! when I moved
in with my fella he said I could keep ginger but not in the house
(this was a relief because I did not want to get rid of her --- it was
a neat compromise) I managed to get her into a carboard box to move
her (not without alot of trepidation). In her new neighborhood ginger
terrorized everyone in their own yards!!  I apologized to all the
neighbors and the neighbors have accepted ginger's behavior pretty
much--(though she was always picking on neighbor cats--even teeney
ones in their own yard!!) Here is what brings me to today's post---
for about three weeks ginger has been different--she hasn't been
fighting and she has been sleeping alot. I thought this was GREAT! She
also was always on the front porch but just a couple days ago it
became plain that she was VERY hurt. She could barely walk so I don't
know how (maybe she knew it was best) but I put her in the box and
took her to her first vet appointment.---the vet found that ginger had
a good sized bite on her leg and so he gave her five shots (all the
ones cats are supposed to have plus an antiboitic) She handled all
this well, came home sat quietly in the yard --now here is the OTHER
thing--------the doctor told me that ginger is a neutered male!!! bet
you saw that coming eh??? That was yesterday--today she---er HE is
REALLY mean even to me (her "mommy") I have been leaving him alone
(well that's not hard given that he is hissing and growling even much
more than usual) ---I just don't know what to think---she --oops he is
sitting in the yard and i am of course just watching carefully and
hoping this is healing time and my ginger will return to me
(emotionally). I used to be able to pick ginger up--but not today!!! I
am wondering if he has had this infection for a long time (and that is
why he was sleeping more??) also--no other cat have been able to best
ginger! in four years this is the first injury recieved despite many
encounters. right now I am scared to death of him and I think some of
this has to do with learning the new gender!!!!!! when I thought it
was a female I really felt very sorry for it---now I realize it was a
very very territorial male not a mixed up female and my whole feeling
toward ginger has changed. --do you have any suggestions for me in how
to feel confident (once again) in his midst? when it was a "girl" I
felt I had her somewhat "tamed" and now I am just plum scared of him!!
does he sense that do you think??? do you think I should still call
him ginger??
Do you think he has had the infection for a really long time and that
is why he was sleeping? do you think he'll get better --and what do
you think i should watch for now --what would be the normal course of
healing?
thank you so much for reading all this!!! anything you can offer is
appreciated.
Iso - 08 Oct 2003 05:19 GMT
Long post, but worth the read... Since you never took Ginger to the vet for
shots, check up's or any castration, who can really say what could be the
problem. It literally could be anything. Granted the bite on its leg doesn't
help, who knows. I wouldn't be afraid of the cat one bit. It's not a tiger
cub and it can only do so much damage. Remember, you (for the most part)
control Ginger's life (i.e. feeding, care taking.). Regardless, the cat will
come around when it wants.

> I have several questions for you cat folks--a little background first:
> 6 years ago I adopted a stray--I did not want to (I was previously a
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> thank you so much for reading all this!!! anything you can offer is
> appreciated.
m. L. Briggs - 08 Oct 2003 18:41 GMT
>Long post, but worth the read... Since you never took Ginger to the vet for
>shots, check up's or any castration, who can really say what could be the
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>> thank you so much for reading all this!!! anything you can offer is
>> appreciated.

Many, many years ago I had a male orange cat named Ginger.  He was not
neutered (didn't do it  in those days).  He was indoors/outdoors and a
very good cat.  He (unfortunately) developed an abcess from a bite of
some kind and even though the Vet lanced and drained it, it just would
not heal (before antibiotics).  I suggest you use a spray bottle to
spray your Ginger when he comes for your feet.  Of course he feels
your fear -- animals do.  You have to show him you are master.  Cats
don't like lous noises so when you say No - make it loud.Some cats are
lap cats - some are not.  My Ginger was not although he liked to be
petted.  Give him toys to play with to distract him from you.  Read
some bookds on cat training.  Good luck.
patti - 08 Oct 2003 20:09 GMT
thanks iso---new problem today--i am still scared of him --he is
hissing and more than likely he really does need a return trip to the
vets. as you say maybe his problem is more than what seems so obvious
(the bite) he is worse than he was when i took him to the vet --he
won't move. he hasn't eaten much--i figured i would give him another
day but i hardly want him out there in the pouring rain---can you or
someone tell me how to use a tarp method to contain him? i guess i
should toss something over him to put him in a container--(i really do
not want to get bitten and believe me he weighs 17 pounds and has
teeth 1/2 inch long so he DOES seem like a fierce animal when he is
mad and he's mad--!!) advise on capturing him--? he is not hungry
enough to fall for the food in the back of a trap thing.

> Long post, but worth the read... Since you never took Ginger to the vet for
> shots, check up's or any castration, who can really say what could be the
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> > thank you so much for reading all this!!! anything you can offer is
> > appreciated.
Iso - 08 Oct 2003 22:09 GMT
I have always had success using a heavy pool/beach towel. That particular
type of towel is rather thick. You can use an old comforter from a bed, or
any thick blanket or sheet that you really aren't using anymore to contain
the cat. I wait until the cat is in a resting state, and then use the
element of surprise to your advantage. Just throw the blanket or comforter
over the cat when you are rather close. Then quickly wrap the cat up. If you
are nervous about getting your hands bitten, you can use a pair of utility
gloves that you may garden or do lawn work with. Once you have its head and
body covered with a towel or comforter, just grab the torso of the cat and
wrap the blanket quickly around its torso so, its appendages are tied up (so
it cannot scratch you). Then uncover his head, so he can breathe. Then the
choice is yours regarding finding a box or cat carrier to put him in. You
can even leave him wrapped in the blanket, as long as someone else drives to
the vet. Of course, he's going to be loud and probably initially try to
bite. It may hiss, and scream, however this is just display of his
disapproval of what is going on. He may also soil the blanket, so you may
want to find something you really don't have a need for anymore. As long as
you keep him in a cage, or completely wrapped in the towel you will be fine.
Also, you will want to alert the vet to the situation of not having a people
friendly cat. They will administer a sedative to calm him, so they can
further evaluate the situation. Good Luck!

> thanks iso---new problem today--i am still scared of him --he is
> hissing and more than likely he really does need a return trip to the
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> > > thank you so much for reading all this!!! anything you can offer is
> > > appreciated.
Kathryn Stein - 10 Oct 2003 19:37 GMT
>thanks iso---new problem today--i am still scared of him --he is
>hissing and more than likely he really does need a return trip to the
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>mad and he's mad--!!) advise on capturing him--? he is not hungry
>enough to fall for the food in the back of a trap thing.

I think the huge towel over him and quickly scooping him into a
carrier is the best way to go. I'd also wear gardening gloves just in
case.

Also, I don't remember in your original message about the vet visit
whether you had his blood tested.
Liz - 08 Oct 2003 16:06 GMT
This is what I mean by emotional trauma. An animal treated with
violence will become violent. Definitively his previous owner was a
jerk. Now the cat thinks all humans are alike. I´d diagnose him as
borderline and that´s about the hardest thing to deal with in
psychiatry. I had a cat just like that before. My sister had found her
in the streets with half her tail missing and an abdominal hernia and
brought her home. At the time she was about two or three months old. I
could not keep her indoors because she would bother and fight with my
other cats all the time so I kept her outside. It came to a point
where I no longer touched her because she would bite and scratch out
of thin air. I just made sure she had water and food and a nice place
to sleep. She was poisoned and died about three years ago. :( I hope
someone here has good advice as how to "cure" this cat if this is
anywhere possible.
dgk - 08 Oct 2003 19:56 GMT
>I have several questions for you cat folks--a little background first:
>6 years ago I adopted a stray--I did not want to (I was previously a
>dog person). The cat showed up pathetic and skinny and we were having
>an ice storm so I fed it and eventually gave it a place to live in the
>laundry room (we lived on a really busy street). The cat is unusally
>big and pretty--my plan was to just feed it until i found an owner

As for the name, Ginger is fine. Don't go changing his name now. I
think his behavior is ok for one day after the vet visit. There are
all kinds of smells and stuff and he might be feeling hung over from
the injections. Antibiotics make me feel funny sometimes too and he
had lots of other stuff.

Give him the followup pills as scheduled and treat the wound as best
you can. It is certainly likely that an infection would make him
sleepy and sluggish. It does that to most of us I would think. Post a
picture somewhere and let us see this beast.
Steve G - 08 Oct 2003 22:58 GMT
(...)
> thing--------the doctor told me that ginger is a neutered male!!! bet
> you saw that coming eh???

The penis is the clue.

(...)
> encounters. right now I am scared to death of him and I think some of
> this has to do with learning the new gender!!!!!! when I thought it
> was a female I really felt very sorry for it---now I realize it was a
> very very territorial male not a mixed up female and my whole feeling
> toward ginger has changed. --do you have any suggestions for me in how
> to feel confident (once again) in his midst?

As a neutered cat, he is, in many ways, neither 'he' nor 'she'; once
neutered, male and female cats don't generally differ a great deal in
personality. The fact he once possessed bollocks is basically
irrelevant. Just think of him as 'cat', if you like.

> when it was a "girl" I
> felt I had her somewhat "tamed" and now I am just plum scared of him!!

He's still the same cat.

> does he sense that do you think???

He may sense that you are fearful.

> do you think I should still call him ginger??

Why wouldn't you? You can call him Britney Spears if you like. He
won't complain.

Steve.
Barb 1 - 09 Oct 2003 01:12 GMT
First of all maybe Ginger was attacked by a dog or even a wild animal-rat,
squirrel or something.

Many of your questions were good and if you read your own post you could see
that some of them could best be answered by the vet.

I commend you for sticking by Ginger and I hope you can solve all his
problems.  Male cats can be very affectionate, you know.  They don't have to
be scary.

--
Barb
I can only please one person a day.
Today is not your day.
Tomorrow doesn't look good either.
MacCandace - 09 Oct 2003 03:45 GMT
<< do you think he'll get better --and what do
you think i should watch for now --what would be the normal course of
healing?
thank you so much for reading all this!!! anything you can offer is
appreciated. >>

Yes, I would still call him Ginger.  Many cats feel ill from their shots for a
couple of days.  They have a reaction to them and if he got 5, he probably
definltely is feeling under the weather.  Sometimes it hurts at the injection
site and they also can develop flu-like symptoms.  He probably doesn't feel
like being picked up now.  Don't be afraid of him.  Male cats are very sweet,
often sweeter than females of that species.  I'm sure he'll get back to normal
soon.  If not, you'll have to take him back to the vet.  It's too bad he has to
live outside as these injuries may keep happening...or worse.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human."  (Loren Eisely)
patti - 09 Oct 2003 20:08 GMT
good lord you people are AWESOME!!! thanks so much to everyone who
answered me! ginger is hiding under the tool shed now she/he (LOL) did
eat 1/2 a plate of food today--so that's good right???? i can not
thank you all enough for all the advise and the encouragement. i
really am emotionally attached to ginger and all this all been
breaking my heart. you are a compassionate bunch. when i talk to my
"real life" friends and relatives they all really don't give a rip
(especially because ginger has been so "obnoxious"). what a neat thing
to come in from kneeling under the tool shed and then coming in to cry
my eyes out and THEN to find all these replies. i feel SO MUCH
better--but ginger doesn't!! LOL (he is getting worse and has never
hidden like this before) i really hope you are all correct about all
the injections making him feel bad---how long should i give him before
i TRY to get him out from under the tool shed (i can't even reach him
now --its not "accessible" but at least i know WHERE he is) he had the
shots on monday--he has eaten everyday but every day it has gotten
less in quanity. MORE advise gratefully accepted!! :)
zuzu22@webtv.net - 09 Oct 2003 20:38 GMT
If Ginger is this unwell four days after getting shots, it's best that
you get him out from under the shed *now* and get him to the vet ASAP.
This doesn't sound good.

Megan

                                   
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MacCandace - 10 Oct 2003 02:07 GMT
<< If Ginger is this unwell four days after getting shots, it's best that
you get him out from under the shed *now* and get him to the vet ASAP.
This doesn't sound good. >>

I agree.  I wasn't aware that Ginger was eating less everyday or that this all
occurred on Monday.  I think 48 hours is about tops to feel sick from
injections so this has gone on longer than that.  I know it's stressful and all
but it sounds like he needs to be seen again.  One of my late cats did get
pretty sick from her vaccines once and it persisted for a few days.  We ahd to
take her back to get a dexamethasone shot (steroid) and then she was okay.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human."  (Loren Eisely)
Sherry - 10 Oct 2003 05:21 GMT
>I agree.  I wasn't aware that Ginger was eating less everyday or that this
>all
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>
>Candace

Same thing happened to Yoda, but we couldn't get him back eating and he nearly
died from hepatic lipidosis. I agree, the cat has *got* to be taken to the vet,
pronto.

Sherry
Cate - 09 Oct 2003 20:47 GMT
i feel SO MUCH
> better--but ginger doesn't!! LOL (he is getting worse and has never
> hidden like this before) i really hope you are all correct about all
> the injections making him feel bad---how long should i give him before
> i TRY to get him out from under the tool shed

Patti, please know that it's perfectly acceptable to phone the vet, describe
the cat's symptoms, and ask if another visit is warranted, ok? It's ok--and
even desirable--to get some help in determining when it's bad enough to see
a doctor.

No one online can see your cat to assess it, and none of us can know how
well you might be assessing the situation. So please take advantage of a
free phone call (if it's local) to your vet's office and ask them what they
think, ok? Ask about the injections, about the hiding (which is very common,
but tell the vet so he/she can have the full picture of the symptoms), about
the not eating for a while.

I myself have had a *very* aggressive cat, so I completely empathize with
your situation. I'm so glad Ginger is eating again--that's great news.

Cate
patti - 10 Oct 2003 02:48 GMT
will do cate--! calling tomorrow

> i feel SO MUCH
> > better--but ginger doesn't!! LOL (he is getting worse and has never
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>
> Cate
Cate - 10 Oct 2003 03:44 GMT
> will do cate--! calling tomorrow

Great. Please let us know what happens. And don't forget to ask your vet how
to tell in future if your guy needs medical attention. Warning signs,
symptoms occurring more than x days, etc.

Good luck!

Cate
-L. - 10 Oct 2003 09:30 GMT
> good lord you people are AWESOME!!! thanks so much to everyone who
> answered me! ginger is hiding under the tool shed now she/he (LOL) did
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> shots on monday--he has eaten everyday but every day it has gotten
> less in quanity. MORE advise gratefully accepted!! :)

The cat may be having an extended reaction to the vaccinations, or
something else.  I would coax him out with some STINKY canned
sardines, plop him in a carrier and get him back to the vet asap!
Don't wait or you may have a dead cat under your shed.

best of luck,
-L.
Cheryl - 10 Oct 2003 01:36 GMT
In news:3ee97583.0310072004.6c124919@posting.google.com,
patti

>I am scared to death of him and [...]

I'm glad you got some good advice.  I just wanted to say it is
perfectly natural to be afraid of cats sometimes; I have a very
aggressive one and he scares me at times.  I know he loves me (he
shows it often) but he gets moods where he will attack me and I'm sure
it has to do with his past which I know nothing of.  I had to learn
ways to redirect his aggression with something like toys, or the laser
pointer has worked the best.
patti - 10 Oct 2003 23:08 GMT
update--my dear cat friends--ginger is REALLY sick and too far back
under the shed for me to get to HIM--the vet agrees i need to get him
back to him (no he did no diagnostic blood tests)--so i have a call
into "critter gitter" he is a one-man business and i reallllly hope he
is not out of town--i would try to squeeze under there but i do not
fit!! at this point i am certainly not afraid of him (although he
could probably STILL take out my eye or something)---i am really
stressed out and depressed over this! i am tying to remain
positive--at least i DO know WHERE he is!!! now all i need is for
critter gitter to call me--he uses a snare i guess. thanks to all i
will let you know what happens next!
zuzu22@webtv.net - 10 Oct 2003 23:44 GMT
If the critter guy doesn't call is it possible for you to safely cut
through the floor of the shed close to where Ginger is? Or maybe use a
long broom handle to nudge him and get him to move closer to you? Also,
did you let him know that you have a very sick animal that needs
immediate medical attention? If not it would be good to call back and
let him know. He may get back to you sooner. I hope you can work this
out quickly.

Megan

                                   
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"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

patti - 11 Oct 2003 04:58 GMT
i thought of that floor bit!!! but luckily i didnt have to do that!
finally finally finally and who knows why he came out today and i got
him! he is at the vet and i get to call in the am about 10:30 he might
have some diagnostics done by then! all you folks from this board were
so great!!  i have no idea whats wrong with him but he sure has a
better chance NOW!!! thanks all for HELPING me!!!
Mary - 11 Oct 2003 12:42 GMT
I'm so happy Ginger is getting help. Bless you for taking such good
care of him. Keep us informed, he is an interesting boy. We still want
pics, too!

> i thought of that floor bit!!! but luckily i didnt have to do that!
> finally finally finally and who knows why he came out today and i got
> him! he is at the vet and i get to call in the am about 10:30 he might
> have some diagnostics done by then! all you folks from this board were
> so great!!  i have no idea whats wrong with him but he sure has a
> better chance NOW!!! thanks all for HELPING me!!!
Karen M. - 12 Oct 2003 01:09 GMT
> i thought of that floor bit!!! but luckily i didnt have to do that!
> finally finally finally and who knows why he came out today and i got
> him! he is at the vet and i get to call in the am about 10:30 he might
> have some diagnostics done by then! all you folks from this board were
> so great!!  i have no idea whats wrong with him but he sure has a
> better chance NOW!!! thanks all for HELPING me!!!

Hopefully you'll have some good new soon! Let us know! I'll keep my
fingers crossed...
Karen
Barb 1 - 11 Oct 2003 22:05 GMT
Glad you got Ginger out and to the vet.  Do keep us posted.

--
  Barb
  I can only please one person a day.
  Today is not your day.
  Tomorrow doesn't look good either.
Sara - 11 Oct 2003 00:08 GMT
Patti, first of all THANK YOU for taking in Ginger and giving him a
home!

I hope he is much better by now - please let us know what is going on.

Here is some advice which I hope will help you a little bit when
Ginger is feeling better and things are getting back to normal.

I also have an adopted stray, Freckles, who can be aggressive - this
one is a female who has been living with me for about 7 years.  I
found her when she was about 2.  She exhibited some of the signs you
talk about - loving and then biting and scratching for no apparent
reason.  She had a nasty looking healed scar on her flank when I found
her, and I think she may have been abused.

While she is not a 100% "puddy-tat" kitty, she is a lot calmer now.
Cats (my cats, anyway) have control issues.  They like to feel that
they are in control, and those that have not been treated well do NOT
trust people.

What worked, more or less, for Freckles and me was for me to let
Freckles know that SHE was in control.  That means:

- I sit beside her and talk to her, without petting, unless she makes
it clear she wanted to be petted.

- I stop petting when she tells me she wants me to stop.

- When I pick her up, I  put her down when she asks to be put down.

By following this pattern, she VERY SLOWLY got to trust me more and
more.  A lot of the aggressive behavior stopped.

Freckles - and maybe your Ginger - seems to have very sensitive skin.
About three or four pats, and she's done.  In contrast, my other cat
Muffin can be patted for hours and still want more.  What I am trying
to say is, they are not all alike.

Now you are probably asking, how does the cat TELL ME to stop petting?
Watch his ears and his tail.  Ears going back is a sign that he's had
enough, as is fidgeting and tail twitching.  Ginger will teach you his
body language if you watch how he reacts to things.

Freckles and I still have a few disagreements.  The major one is that
I've never gotten her to agree to be a totally indoor kitty. I'm sure
she could tell you lots of things I do wrong!  But all in all, we get
along well and she felt secure enough to accept a "new sister" last
year.

Hope some of this helps.

Sara

>I have several questions for you cat folks--a little background first:
>6 years ago I adopted a stray--I did not want to (I was previously a
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>thank you so much for reading all this!!! anything you can offer is
>appreciated.
patti - 14 Oct 2003 03:50 GMT
hi everyone---well ginger is still at the vet--i THINK he may come
home tomorrow maybe--(?) the vet said he had a super elevated white
blood count and has had some hard stools. he has ruled out a whole
bunch of stuff like feline leukemia and feline aids and distemper etc
etc--he gave him a steroid shot (i THINK thats what he said?? a really
strong anti inflammatory) ginger is still not using his back legs
properly. the vet himself seems perplexed. he said all the other stuff
in his blood is good so he doesnt have renal problems etc etc......
the vet said i can maybe take him home tomorrow despite his not moving
around properly yet and i can just keep him contained.
thanks AGAIN all you super cat loving friends!! thanks sara for all
that good advise---about how to let ginger know he IS the boss and
will remain so!!!  (hopefully!!!! i mean is he going to go from being
the holy terror he is/was to just dragging around his rear
legs--????-THAT would be pathetic!!) i will try to dig up a photo
somehow--he really IS a beauty--but of course i say that cause i'm
"his mommy" lol---you are all so nice to say i deserve "credit" for
taking him in--and many times i have thought that TOO!!! (especially
when he has taken a chunk outta my hand!!) lol---but ginger has taught
me more than i have taught him. i am the lucky one.
you are a great bunch of folks!!! later pals!
p
-L. - 14 Oct 2003 06:14 GMT
> hi everyone---well ginger is still at the vet--i THINK he may come
> home tomorrow maybe--(?) the vet said he had a super elevated white
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> you are a great bunch of folks!!! later pals!
> p

I'm wondering if they hit a nerve when they did his vax.  If he's
developed paralysis, it could be a number of things - blood clot,
nerve damage, vax reaction.  One of my dogs could hardly walk (front
legs) after a severe vax reaction - she was like that for over a week.
Whatever it is, I hope Ginger recovers - this is terrible!

-L.
Karen M. - 14 Oct 2003 20:50 GMT
> hi everyone---well ginger is still at the vet--i THINK he may come
> home tomorrow maybe--(?) the vet said he had a super elevated white
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> you are a great bunch of folks!!! later pals!
> p

I'm glad they've ruled some of the nasty stuff out. Has the vet done any
neurological tests on him? or suggested a specialist? Me and the crew
weill continue to keep our fingers and paws crossed for Ginger.

xo,
K
Barb 1 - 15 Oct 2003 00:44 GMT
This is discouraging, poor little fellow.  Thinking of you guys,

--
  Barb
  I can only please one person a day.
  Today is not your day.
  Tomorrow doesn't look good either.
patti - 17 Oct 2003 05:39 GMT
update update update!!!!! ginger is much much much better !!! YAHOOOO
YAHOOOO YAHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!  the vet said he has to stay in for a
whole week--he walks PRACTICALLY ok today and he is nearly back to
normal because he hissed at my significant other today!!!! LOL
LOL--that's NORMAL for ginger!! i will find a photo tomorrow and post
it! thanks everyone you all helped me so much! now i have to try to
learn to pick him up by his scruff if and when he gets onry---but
that's hard for me --i'll have to practice on a coat or something
first! :)
Karen M. - 17 Oct 2003 05:59 GMT
Yay! Be careful picking him up by the scruff. There's a right way and a
wrong way, and I could never figure out the difference, so I try not to
do it. :) Others on here know, though. I'm so glad Ginger is doing
better. Oh, if the vet showed you how, can you try to describe it on
here??? :)

> update update update!!!!! ginger is much much much better !!! YAHOOOO
> YAHOOOO YAHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!  the vet said he has to stay in for a
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> that's hard for me --i'll have to practice on a coat or something
> first! :)
-L. - 17 Oct 2003 21:11 GMT
> Yay! Be careful picking him up by the scruff. There's a right way and a
> wrong way, and I could never figure out the difference, so I try not to
> do it. :) Others on here know, though. I'm so glad Ginger is doing
> better. Oh, if the vet showed you how, can you try to describe it on
> here??? :)

You can scruff a cat safely, but the body always has to be supported
from below.  Never pick up a cat by scruff alone.

-L.
Iso - 17 Oct 2003 21:18 GMT
I agree, the second photo I attached to my post above details how to handle
its hind legs.

> > Yay! Be careful picking him up by the scruff. There's a right way and a
> > wrong way, and I could never figure out the difference, so I try not to
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>
> -L.
Karen M. - 17 Oct 2003 22:57 GMT
>>Yay! Be careful picking him up by the scruff. There's a right way and a
>>wrong way, and I could never figure out the difference, so I try not to
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>
> -L.

So that's the difference? LOL! I thought there was a special place on
the back of the neck to scruff or something! Yes, I always support the
bottom when picking up (though I rarely do this anyway). :) Thanks guys!

K
Mary - 17 Oct 2003 17:28 GMT
> update update update!!!!! ginger is much much much better !!! YAHOOOO
> YAHOOOO YAHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!  the vet said he has to stay in for a
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> that's hard for me --i'll have to practice on a coat or something
> first! :)

Man, Patti, this is just great!!! I had a mean cat once. I loved her
anyway. :-) Can't wait to see some pics! Give Ginger a headrub for me!
-L. - 17 Oct 2003 21:13 GMT
> update update update!!!!! ginger is much much much better !!! YAHOOOO
> YAHOOOO YAHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!  the vet said he has to stay in for a
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> that's hard for me --i'll have to practice on a coat or something
> first! :)

One way to handle an agitated cat is to throw a towel over it, and
quickly scoop it up, with the head away from you.  Grab it under the
arms and support the legs so that it can't kick, and can't turn around
to bite.  Having the towel covering its head works.  I have handled
numerous mean cats this way.

-L.
patti - 22 Oct 2003 01:42 GMT
hi everyone--i haven't posted any links before so i don't know if this
will work or not--this is ginger--2nd photo was yesterday his first
day out of the brig and that is BLOOD on his face!! he got in a fight
apparently while i went to the grocery store!! so i took him BACK to
the vet again and sure enough he had a bite mark on his back---what a
deliquent! look how ticked he looked! the blood on his face turned out
to belong to his opponent apparently! i apologized again to all the
neighbors--the vet gave me a scruff lesson (ginger is so big its hard
for me to get the knack of it) he is at 16 pounds. anyway--let me know
if these links don't work i will try something else--thanks again
everyone--i really know he used up one of his nine but you were
wonderful helping me!!!

http://image.inkfrog.com/pix/xy2/ginger.jpg
http://image.inkfrog.com/pix/xy2/gingera.jpg
http://image.inkfrog.com/pix/xy2/gingerb.jpg
http://image.inkfrog.com/pix/xy2/gingerc.jpg
Cheryl - 22 Oct 2003 02:10 GMT
> http://image.inkfrog.com/pix/xy2/ginger.jpg
> http://image.inkfrog.com/pix/xy2/gingera.jpg
> http://image.inkfrog.com/pix/xy2/gingerb.jpg
> http://image.inkfrog.com/pix/xy2/gingerc.jpg

He is BEAUTIFUL!  I especially like the sign you hung out.  lol  Purrs
that he settles down soon and stops fighting.  :(
Linda E - 22 Oct 2003 03:10 GMT
He's a beauty!

Linda

> hi everyone--i haven't posted any links before so i don't know if this
> will work or not--this is ginger--2nd photo was yesterday his first
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> http://image.inkfrog.com/pix/xy2/gingerb.jpg
> http://image.inkfrog.com/pix/xy2/gingerc.jpg
Sara - 22 Oct 2003 19:13 GMT
He is a lovely, lovely baby boy!  And I that sign is GREAT!

Sara

>hi everyone--i haven't posted any links before so i don't know if this
>will work or not--this is ginger--2nd photo was yesterday his first
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>http://image.inkfrog.com/pix/xy2/gingerb.jpg
>http://image.inkfrog.com/pix/xy2/gingerc.jpg
Steve G - 22 Oct 2003 22:37 GMT
> hi everyone--i haven't posted any links before so i don't know if this
> will work or not--this is ginger(...)
>
> http://image.inkfrog.com/pix/xy2/ginger.jpg

But but but ... he's not ginger!

Looks downright evil, too. 'ave your arm off soon as look at you.

<looks at thread title>

Er, I mean ... um ... he's all fluffy! And obviously very gentle. I
imagine his teeth are made of rubber, too. Harmless.

Steve.
patti - 23 Oct 2003 03:37 GMT
thanks everyone for saying he is purdy!! he is ---isn't he??? what is
funny is when someone goes to pet him and they get about as far as
"what a prit------tee--" and then they snap their hand back in a big
hurry! happens often and lotsa unsuspecting people think the sign is a
JOKE--you know like he is a real docile cat and i am trying to call
attention to how really the opposite of the sign he is---- hardi har
har!!!!  so i wrote "not kidding" on the sign in an effort to save the
mailman some grief.

---hey!!! ginger did much better today!! MUCH MUCH better no fights at
all--wahoo!!! thanks for saying he's pretty---i do love the li'l
feller :)

steve---someone told me about the drummer with cream --his first name
was GINGER! (well he was from the UK---and it was the 60's---) so
since i have had ginger for 6 years i am going to tell everyone HE is
named for ginger baker--world class 60's drummer!!! (seems almost
appropriate actually---i understand he was a rough around the collar
kind of guy!!!---well hell you'd have to be if you were a guy named
ginger!)

> > hi everyone--i haven't posted any links before so i don't know if this
> > will work or not--this is ginger(...)
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>
> Steve.
 
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