I often go to the house of my friend where there are a lot of stray
cats. The super, or handyman of the building often sets up cages to
trap these stray cats and I think there is poison inside. He leaves
the cats locked inside the cages for 2 to 3 days after they ingested
the food, and then he lets them out. The cats are all wobbly when
released and look like they're about to die. is this against the law,
or are cats considered to be pests like rats?
Magic Mood Jeep? - 07 Oct 2003 20:04 GMT
Definitely cruelty. Please notify your SPCA (or similar) organization as
soon as possible. Even if this guy isn't poisoning the animals, leaving
them in a trap for 2-3 days is not humane. Possibly they can remove the
animals from the location, leaving super/handyman with nothing to do in his
spare time.

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> I often go to the house of my friend where there are a lot of stray
> cats. The super, or handyman of the building often sets up cages to
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> released and look like they're about to die. is this against the law,
> or are cats considered to be pests like rats?
Jon C - 08 Oct 2003 03:25 GMT
> Definitely cruelty. Please notify your SPCA (or similar) organization as
> soon as possible. Even if this guy isn't poisoning the animals, leaving
> them in a trap for 2-3 days is not humane. Possibly they can remove the
> animals from the location, leaving super/handyman with nothing to do in his
> spare time.
Would it be cruelty to poison the food and have the cats die quickly while
in the cage?
-L. - 08 Oct 2003 07:22 GMT
> > Definitely cruelty. Please notify your SPCA (or similar) organization as
> > soon as possible. Even if this guy isn't poisoning the animals, leaving
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> Would it be cruelty to poison the food and have the cats die quickly while
> in the cage?
You obviosly have NO idea about the mode of actions of most "poisons".
Poisoning is a completely inhumane method of pest control.
-L.
Jon C - 13 Oct 2003 04:23 GMT
> > > Definitely cruelty. Please notify your SPCA (or similar) organization as
> > > soon as possible. Even if this guy isn't poisoning the animals, leaving
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>
> -L.
But it's not illegal for rats. Would it be for felines? If so, why?
-L. - 13 Oct 2003 17:32 GMT
> > "Jon C" <jon@jonnythan.com> wrote in message
> news:<VAKgb.5807$Sc7.3963@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
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>
> But it's not illegal for rats.
Nope, but it should be.
>Would it be for felines? If so, why?
Depends on local law. In some juridictions, any stray companion animal
is considered "pest" and can be exterminated according to certain
rules. In other areas, you have to follow certain protocols before
taking any measures on your own. It just depends on your local and
state laws.
-L.
Lauralai - 07 Oct 2003 20:04 GMT
hi
that is animal crulety. you should phone your local ASPCA and let them know
so they can investigate what is going on. i know the SPCA here investigates
EVERY call they get about animal cruelty and will help an animal in distress
24/7.
> I often go to the house of my friend where there are a lot of stray
> cats. The super, or handyman of the building often sets up cages to
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> released and look like they're about to die. is this against the law,
> or are cats considered to be pests like rats?
rrb_091903 - 07 Oct 2003 21:26 GMT
> I often go to the house of my friend where there are a lot of stray
> cats. The super, or handyman of the building often sets up cages to
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> released and look like they're about to die. is this against the law,
> or are cats considered to be pests like rats?
As others have said it is animal cruelty I would contact the SPCA,
humane society or relevant authorities. You seem to be in Korea so I am
not sure who you have to contact.
Sherry - 07 Oct 2003 23:30 GMT
>I often go to the house of my friend where there are a lot of stray
>cats. The super, or handyman of the building often sets up cages to
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>released and look like they're about to die. is this against the law,
>or are cats considered to be pests like rats?
Good gawd almighty. Please e-mail me with specifics.
Sherry
Instant Karma - 08 Oct 2003 02:21 GMT
>I often go to the house of my friend where there are a lot of stray
>cats. The super, or handyman of the building often sets up cages to
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>released and look like they're about to die. is this against the law,
>or are cats considered to be pests like rats?
It's hard to tell without more information. Could you post the name,
address, and phone number of this individual?
Thanks!!
kaeli - 08 Oct 2003 04:14 GMT
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> I often go to the house of my friend where there are a lot of stray
> cats. The super, or handyman of the building often sets up cages to
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> released and look like they're about to die. is this against the law,
> or are cats considered to be pests like rats?
Certainly it is cruel.
Whether it is illegal or not depends on where you live and your local
laws.
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-L. - 08 Oct 2003 05:15 GMT
> I often go to the house of my friend where there are a lot of stray
> cats. The super, or handyman of the building often sets up cages to
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> released and look like they're about to die. is this against the law,
> or are cats considered to be pests like rats?
Report this to your local animal cruelty investigative body asap. If
nothing else, he is dehydrating and torturing these animals. This is
no laughing matter.
My sister's cat died in a cage a neighbor set in the sun because the
neighbor left him there without food or water for at least 6 hours and
it became over 100 degrees that day. This was a 12 year old, 3-legged
cat who had absolutely NO chance of survival under those conditions.
It haunts me still.
-L.
MaryL - 08 Oct 2003 14:27 GMT
> I often go to the house of my friend where there are a lot of stray
> cats. The super, or handyman of the building often sets up cages to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> released and look like they're about to die. is this against the law,
> or are cats considered to be pests like rats?
Absolutely, this is cruelty! Not only is it inhumane, it is in violation of
the laws in a number (if not *all*) of states. Please contact your local
Humane Society and/or animal control officer. Given the facts you have
outlined here, law enforcement should also be notified.
Have you actually seen this? Are you able to get any camcorder pictures
without placing yourself in jeopardy? Be careful -- anyone who would do
this to a cat is capable of other forms of violence, so don't endanger
yourself.
MaryL
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Karen M. - 08 Oct 2003 17:58 GMT
What country/state do you live in? Someone mentioned South Korea? If
you're here in the United States it is indeed a crime and this person
should be turned in immediately!
> I often go to the house of my friend where there are a lot of stray
> cats. The super, or handyman of the building often sets up cages to
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> released and look like they're about to die. is this against the law,
> or are cats considered to be pests like rats?
transient individual - 09 Oct 2003 04:26 GMT
> What country/state do you live in? Someone mentioned South Korea? If
> you're here in the United States it is indeed a crime and this person
> should be turned in immediately!
Yes, I'm in the United States. I called the ASPCA and it seems like
they're never there, but I'll try again tomorrow. This guy has killed
three kittens and two adult cats so far. One of the things I'm a
little skeptical about is how are they going to apprehend this person
without no evidence? I don't want to implicate me or my friend
personally, so I'm sort of left with the cage being the only evidence
of there being animal abuse; the corpses are probably gone.
Kalyahna - 10 Oct 2003 17:13 GMT
> Yes, I'm in the United States. I called the ASPCA and it seems like
> they're never there, but I'll try again tomorrow. This guy has killed
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> personally, so I'm sort of left with the cage being the only evidence
> of there being animal abuse; the corpses are probably gone.
One would hope that the humane officers would have an answering machine for
calls that come in when they're not at a desk to answer it. You don't want
to implicate yourself or your friend, but I don't think they can give out
any information about the person who called and reported the activity. Just
leave your name and number (or your friend's, since it's his/her building
this is happening in or near) and a basic idea of what's going on that has
you concerned. They can call you back, and the evidence gathering is up to
them. If nothing else, the super may not be aware that he can take the
strays to the SPCA, or even have a humane officer pick them up.
transient individual - 11 Oct 2003 18:42 GMT
> One would hope that the humane officers would have an answering machine for
> calls that come in when they're not at a desk to answer it. You don't want
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> them. If nothing else, the super may not be aware that he can take the
> strays to the SPCA, or even have a humane officer pick them up.
The ASPCA is a joke. I called up, and they tell me I have to sign
sworn statements from both me and my friend. Not only that, but they
can't show up at the building based on hearsay or anything that isn't
specific. If they did show up, they'd have to see if there is any
poisin in the cage, and see the corpses of the cat. And aside from
that, the people I spoke to on the phone don't even seem to give a
sh.t about the welfare of the animals. I asked her is there anything
else I can do besides get myself personally involved in this, and she
said NO. The guy who is doing this is a alcoholic who I would say has
the potential to get a bit violent if he could. So,I tried, but since
nobody cares, I guess he's going to continue doing what he's doing.
Cheryl - 12 Oct 2003 02:23 GMT
>> strays to the SPCA, or even have a humane officer pick them up.
>
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> since
> nobody cares, I guess he's going to continue doing what he's doing.
That really sucks and I'd be suspicious of who exactly it was who took
your call. Because these groups are all volunteers (some are paid,
but the ones answering phone calls normally aren't), it is sometimes
discouraging the kind of response you get. If you're really concerned
about this and I think you are, can you try to escalate it and ask who
the groups Executive Director is and get in touch with them? In my
area the SPCA isn't animal control but they certainly investigate
reports of cruelty. Good luck.
Sherry - 12 Oct 2003 05:24 GMT
>The ASPCA is a joke. I called up, and they tell me I have to sign
>sworn statements from both me and my friend. Not only that, but they
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>the potential to get a bit violent if he could. So,I tried, but since
>nobody cares, I guess he's going to continue doing what he's doing.
Your ASPCA seems to have forgotten their purpose, and that's to eliminate
suffering in all animals. Anything less and they're just a warehouse for
strays. But then, you could have been talking to an untrained volunteer. Call
them back and ask to speak to the director. If you get the same response, ask
for the names of the Board of Directors that governs the shelter.
We don't have to have sworn statements here to start an abuse investigation. If
a caller chooses to remain anonymous, we still investigate. Depending on the
situation, we usually ask the county sheriff's department to accompany us; then
if the person is uncooperative, we come back with a search warrant. Like
another poster mentioned, best case scenario is that the suspect will be made
aware that there *is* a humane society where he can take the strays.
Truthfully, from what you've said, I don't think there's much chance for
prosectution unless you actually found a dead animal on his property for
necropsy, got sworn statements from neighbors, and found a trap there also.
It's just hard to make those things stick. Best hope is to scare the guy and
let him know he's being watched. I'm sorry. I wish they could put him away.
Mary - 09 Oct 2003 02:51 GMT
>He leaves
>the cats locked inside the cages for 2 to 3 days after they ingested
>the food, and then he lets them out. The cats are all wobbly when
>released and look like they're about to die. is this against the law,
>or are cats considered to be pests like rats?
It's illegal to poison cats here in California. You can trap cats and take them
to the city shelter. If you trap a cat, you must check your traps twice a day
and remove the animal. You can't let them sit in there. I would report the
person to animal services.