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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / October 2003are any of the spot on flea controls really safe?
hi i was looking for articles on flea control spot on's and i found what i think is a really good article and thought i would share it and i was wondering if it was fairly accurate or not for the acrobat file http://www.apnm.org/publications/resources/fleachemfin.pdf or for the html file http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:pJoMrA4DeOEJ:www.apnm.org/publications/reso urces/fleachemfin.pdf+methoprene+dangers+cats&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8 it pretty much says that all spot on's are not safe, even the ones you get from the vet, it was talking about dogs in the intro and it was in a dog magazine though so i don't know if its was for all of them or what. but it pretty much tells you what is in the spot on's and what the results were found in the lab test, and it says that fipronil and imidacloprid isn't any better than methoprene and permethrin. also according to 188petmeds.com the following medicatins contain what is listed after them frontline plus for cats contains Fipronil (9.8%), S-methoprene (11.8%), Inert ingredients (78.4%) frontline top spot Fipronil (9.7%), Inert ingredients (90.3%) advantage Imidacloprid (9.1%), Inert ingredients (90.9%) bio spot stripe-on flea control for cats Pyripoxyfen (5.3%), Inert ingredients (94.7%) and according to the article zodiac contains 45% permethrin, 3% methoprene, 52% not disclosed and according to the article advantage has the same % of those things but the MSDS sheet indicates there may be some solvents in it also according to the article frontline plus is basically the same thing as frontline top spot but it has 8.8% methoprene and if you go to that article it tells you what they do, so i awas just wondering if any of them are really safe to use, or are there ones that are safer than others, becasue according to the article it scares me even to use the ones you get from the vet when i wrote and according to the article advantage has the same % of those things but the MSDS sheet indicates there may be some solvents in it i meant that the percentages that the petmeds states are what the article states as well, but the article also says that there may be solvents in there as well and not that it had the same % of ingredients that zodiac has > hi > i was looking for articles on flea control spot on's and i found what i [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > or > for the html file http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:pJoMrA4DeOEJ:www.apnm.org/publications/reso urces/fleachemfin.pdf+methoprene+dangers+cats&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8 > it pretty much says that all spot on's are not safe, even the ones you get > from the vet, it was talking about dogs in the intro and it was in a dog [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > ones that are safer than others, becasue according to the article it scares > me even to use the ones you get from the vet >it pretty much says that all spot on's are not safe, even the ones you get >from the vet, it was talking about dogs in the intro and it was in a dog >magazine though so i don't know if its was for all of them or what. but it >pretty much tells you what is in the spot on's and what the results were >found in the lab test, and it says that fipronil and imidacloprid isn't any >better than methoprene and permethrin. Laureli, this is purely anecdotal, so you can take it with a grain of salt if you like. But just strictly from the experience of my own friends, people I visit with at the shelter, and reading the newsgroup, I've never heard of anyone's cat having a life-threatening reaction to Advantage or Frontline. That's certainly not so with the OTC meds; I've heard horror stories not only about Hartz but others as well. I did have a cat who had an allergic reaction to Frontline; he drooled, panted and behaved as if the spot was burning badly. I washed it off and he was fine after. He didn't react at all to Advantage. (Incidentally, the other cats did fine with Frontline, and that's what they use at the shelter) Sherry >Laureli, this is purely anecdotal, so you can take it with a grain of salt if >you like. But just strictly from the experience of my own friends, people I >visit with at the shelter, and reading the newsgroup, I've never heard of >anyone's cat having a life-threatening reaction to Advantage or Frontline. And I didn't see anything about selamectin (Revolution) in the article. I've done a lot of searches to find any potentially dangerous side effects of selamectin, and have not found any. >That's certainly not so with the OTC meds; I've heard horror stories not only >about Hartz but others as well. I did have a cat who had an allergic reaction [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >use >at the shelter) IMO, you have to weigh all the factors if you are worried about using spot-on treatments. If any of our current cats had flea allergies to the degree that one of my previous cats did, there would be no question that I would be using the most effective flea treatment available, because the potential long-term risk (very slight, IMO) would be greatly outweighed by the need to alleviate the cat's misery. We currently use Revolution not for fleas but for heartworm prevention. IMO the risk of heartworm also outweighs whatever small risk there may be longterm of using Revolution part of each year. Our cats have had no side effects, and it had the added bonus of getting rid of the ear mites infecting the stray we took in. >From: "Lauralai" lauralai@mountaincable.net >i was looking for articles on flea control spot on's and i found what i >think is a really good article and thought i would share it and i was [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >found in the lab test, and it says that fipronil and imidacloprid isn't any >better than methoprene and permethrin. My cats don't have fleas so I do not use any treatments. However, if they were to get them, I would probably go with a natural remedy first, depending on how bad the infestation was. I know these spot ons are supposed to be safe but I prefer not using drugs on my cats unless they're really called for. Here's a link for treating fleas without chemicals: http://www.4fleas.com/fleacontroldonot.htm Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > hi > i was looking for articles on flea control spot on's and i found what i [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > found in the lab test, and it says that fipronil and imidacloprid isn't any > better than methoprene and permethrin. Well, that's just plain wrong. Here's a review written by Tina Wismer, DVM, veterinary poison specialist at the ASPCA animal poison control center. It is a review of the active ingredients in most veterinary insecticides, their MOAs and commentary on toxicity, including references: http://www.vspn.org/Library/misc/VSPN_M01289.htm I was a molecular biologist working on insecticides (among other things) for 15 years. Fipronil and imidaclopid are two of the safest insecticides to be put on the market, ever. I have used Advantage on kittens as young as four days old, with no ill effects. I'd drink the stuff to prove how harmless it is, if you wanted me to. (And no, I neither worked for Bayer nor Merial.) -L. > > hi > > i was looking for articles on flea control spot on's and i found what i [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > or > > for the html file http://216.239.41.104/search?>q=cache:pJoMrA4DeOEJ:www.apnm.org/publications/res ources/fleachemfin.pdf+methop>rene+dangers+cats&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8 > > it pretty much says that all spot on's are not safe, even the ones you get > > from the vet, it was talking about dogs in the intro and it was in a dog [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > things) for 15 years. Fipronil and imidaclopid are two of the safest > insecticides to be put on the market, ever. I goota agree with you 100%. We've used Advantage and Frontline on literally thousands of cats and dogs in my shelter and never had a problem. I think Advantage and Frontline are available without a prescription. We've bought both in bulk quantities directly from the supplier and I don't remember sending a prescription or asking our vets to send one. Phil. > hi > i was looking for articles on flea control spot on's and i found what i [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > and if you go to that article it tells you what they do, Just as a side note, you will also notice that the article you cited does not include published research reports as sources. Without published references, such a review is simply not believable. You have nothing to be afraid of, when it comes to Advantage, Frontline or Revolution. Some animals will have a localized reaction to the carriers (solvents) used in the products, but such reactions are not common. -L. hi thanks for the information, i'm going to phone around on monday and see if any will give me some without an appointment, if not i may take one of my pets to the vet and then asked for like a 6 months supply and then use it on my other pets. how would you go about splitting up a dog tube? i figure get the dog stuff that way i can put it on both the cats and dogs, and then i can get a dog lisence and take one of my dogs to training since i get it free at my work, she won't listen and stop stealing food and running away when she moves the boards that are between the fence and the ground to keep her in. > hi > i was looking for articles on flea control spot on's and i found what i [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > or > for the html file http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:pJoMrA4DeOEJ:www.apnm.org/publications/reso urces/fleachemfin.pdf+methoprene+dangers+cats&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8 > it pretty much says that all spot on's are not safe, even the ones you get > from the vet, it was talking about dogs in the intro and it was in a dog [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > ones that are safer than others, becasue according to the article it scares > me even to use the ones you get from the vet > hi > thanks for the information, i'm going to phone around on monday and see if > any will give me some without an appointment, if not i may take one of my > pets to the vet and then asked for like a 6 months supply and then use it on > my other pets. They sell it at PetCo and PetSamrt. You can also buy oit on-line at 1-800-petmeds, or other sites. You do not need a prescription. > how would you go about splitting up a dog tube? i figure > get the dog stuff that way i can put it on both the cats and dogs, and then > i can get a dog lisence and take one of my dogs to training since i get it > free at my work, she won't listen and stop stealing food and running away > when she moves the boards that are between the fence and the ground to keep > her in. Advantage dosage is is 0.8ml per 10lbs of cat. The largest dog dosage contains 4ml total, so each 10-12 lb cat can have 1/4 of the total amount, which would be 1ml. The "extra" 0.2ml isn't likely to be a problem, especially if your cats weigh 12lbs or more. If they weigh over 20lbs, they need 2ml. You will need a syringe (sans needle) to apply the dosage. And FTR, 1cc = 1ml. If you need dog dosages, they are available on the web. Just Yahoo or Google the terms: "Advantage" "fleas" "dosage" and "dog" or "canine". If you need help figuring it out, just ask. -L. --- email to idontmind (at) hotmail (dot) com hi thanks for the reply but i'm in Canada and I've looked at petsmart and they only sell hartz and zodiac. also i phoned my vet about them and they said that i need to bring the animals in to get flea treatment since it's prescription according to the lady on the phone, i'm not sure if the laws are different here. i'm going to check a few pet stores though and see if any of them sell it, i don't think so though. it seems really horrible if you can only get it by a vet that the government would allow hartz to be on store shelves but not the good stuff. i also might phone my normal vet again and see if they will give me the stuff for my kittens who she saw 2 weeks ago, i've just been busy with school and work and next week i have off of school. > > hi > > thanks for the information, i'm going to phone around on monday and see if [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > --- > email to idontmind (at) hotmail (dot) com |
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