Hello -
The problem is one of our four indoors cats.
This cat, Sheba, is a female stray that I adopted and raised as a very
small (<6 weeks) kitten to adulthood. Sheba is now just under 5 years
old, is in apparent good health, and has no other behavioral problems.
This cat is an extremely persistent pee-er outside the box. It is an
intermittent but persistent behavior that we really can't get to the
bottom of.
She does not "mark" vertical or freestanding objects with a spray.
Rather, she always pees on horizontal surfaces on furniture, bedding,
cushions, pillows, futon. It's only a matter of time before she has an
eye for our $800 sofa.
As stated, there is *no* apparent cause of her "accidents". She has no
problems with going to the bathroom otherwise. She gets plenty of
attention and love, and plays quite often. She in turn is extremely
loving and attention-seeking.
We've been using Feliway plugins AND spray. She just soaked a
comforter on an extra bed that I sprayed with Feliway several times
over the last week, where a 1/2 full plugin is right next to the bed
in the wall socket.
One thing of note. When she was a kitten, I tended to keep her in the
basement and the garage for long periods. I later found places she
"marked". And she apparently went into heat at around 9 months and
"did" the bed right before I got her fixed. One thought is that she
got used to semi-wild behaviors as a kitten and will never change.
I am suspecting some sort of medical problem due to its persistence,
but I am open to other interpretations.
What the hell do I do? Resign myself to a house that's an open cat
p*ss toilet? Or keep this one cat in a steel cage because she can't
ever be trusted?
Or has anyone had a cat do this and had a latent problem diagnosed?
As I said, this cat is quite loved and doesn't suffer from lack of
attention.
Thanks!
Gail - 02 Oct 2003 19:14 GMT
Take her to see a vet who is knowledgeable about cats.She may have
interstitial cystitis which causes painful urination. Medication is very
helpful for this conditon. I suspect her problem is medical. You must also
clean up the areas where she has urinated with an enzyme cleaner so she
doesn't smell the area and is drawn back to it.
Gail
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Cat Owner - 02 Oct 2003 20:22 GMT
Gail,
Thaks for the lead and specific syndrome name. Our regular vet (a
"country doc") has examined her (no biopsy, tho) and indicated that he
believes that Sheba's problem is 100% behavioral.
Funny thing is, another one of our cats had a similar problem but was
given to straining while urinating and spotting on surfaces outside
the box; actually left some blood, too. She was diagnosed by the vet
as having a uirnary tract infection. Medicine and a change of diet
resulted in a *perfect* recovery and never a relapse.
I hope it's that easy with this cat!
>Take her to see a vet who is knowledgeable about cats.She may have
>interstitial cystitis which causes painful urination. Medication is very
>helpful for this conditon. I suspect her problem is medical. You must also
>clean up the areas where she has urinated with an enzyme cleaner so she
>doesn't smell the area and is drawn back to it.
>Gail
Karen - 03 Oct 2003 00:26 GMT
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Straining does not have to occur for it to be the problem. I hope you get
her in soon.
Karen
Jaguar - 04 Oct 2003 08:28 GMT
Problems other than with the urinary tract can be the cause of a cat not
using the litter box. Pain for one. Have the teeth been examined for
decay, bleeding gums, tartar? Is it possible that the cat has arthritis?
How's her vision? Her ears? Is she getting enough attention? Think
along all possible lines so as not to limit yourself. Very often the cat
is trying to tell you something. Usually it's a health problem. Other
times something changed in the cat's life that made it unhappy or
insecure. Has a loved one left? Is the cat alone all day?
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Karen - 03 Oct 2003 00:24 GMT
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The first thing you Always do is check for a urinary tract infection or
other medical problem at the vets.
Karen
marty - 04 Oct 2003 16:39 GMT
There are 2 web sites you should look at.
www.catsinternational.com for behavioral modification
www.odorxit.com for odor elimination and control
Martin
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Cat Owner - 04 Oct 2003 17:24 GMT
>There are 2 web sites you should look at.
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>www.catsinternational.com for behavioral modification
This is a great resource but it's actually
http://www.catsinternational.org. The .com address is a software
company. Thanks.
Cat Owner - 11 Nov 2003 02:54 GMT
I just wanted to post a progress report on our cat Sheba. I hope this
information helps someone else.
I wound up taking this kitty to a vet that our primary caregiver
referred me to when one of our other cats had a problem last winter,
in order to get a second opinion. Our main vet is a "country doc" who
relies more on palpitating the animal than on formal tests and he had
been insisting that the urination outside the box was behavorial and
territorial. Feliway did no good, which lead me to suspect an
"organic" problem.
The "second opinion" vet tested Sheba's urine and found evidence of
high PH levels and some bladder inflamation. We got several
prescriptions - Science Diet C/D formula, "Cosequin" (a sprinkle
powder that is supposed to reduce inflammation), and an antidepressant
(for behavior).
We did have two accidents in the month since we started that program,
but one accident was when the kitty was left by herself when we were
out of town, and in both cases we're unsure whether she was getting
the full dose of the medications. Both accidents were awhile ago.
Today I took Sheba back for a follow up visit and we were pleased to
find that there is no inflammation evident in her urine sample, and
the PH balance is more normal.
So, the bottom line I see in this is: be persistent if you're running
into atypical behavior, and consider getting a second opinion if
you're not seeing results. I don't like to switch caregivers, so I
needed a strong reason to do this. While the wetting problem was
inconvenient (OK, a PITA), I was even more concerned that she was in
discomfort or pain, or that the problem was a symptom of something
worse. In this instance, bladder inflammation can lead to some really
nasty problems if left unattended.
Thanks for the encouragement from this list to get this problem looked
at!
>The problem is one of our four indoors cats.
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Mary - 11 Nov 2003 03:27 GMT
>Thanks for the encouragement from this list to get this problem looked
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Thanks for the update. Maybe I'll take my cat back for another check and
possibly some antidepressants.
Karen - 11 Nov 2003 04:04 GMT
> I just wanted to post a progress report on our cat Sheba. I hope this
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What great news!!
Luvskats00 - 11 Nov 2003 07:29 GMT
I'd like to know your take on this:
I adopted a dsh (spayed) female who's 6 lbs/5 years old. She was taken from her
home and put in a (cage) shelter for a month. She peed in the litter box (in
her cage, in my bedroom the first day only) She didn't keep food down for the
first 3 days (and the shelter rep swears she didn't get lose her lunch at the
shelter) so I took her to the vet. X-rays showed all was well. She kept food
down there. She had a dental extraction while at the vet. I brought her home on
Saturday. She peed on my blankets Sunday night and Monday day and also sh.t in
my quilt. My resident cat - 4 year old, dsh (neutered) 10+ lb male was
introduced to her as soon as she arrived. She was caged and he had access. They
sniffed throught the bars and all seemed well. Day 2 progressed Ok, except for
a couple of hisses (started by her). That night he pinned her a couple of
times. So...I now don't have them interact at all. Question...shall I cage
her until I'm sure she won't start peeing on the bed again? How can I be sure
she will sh*t in the box? When shall I start having the 2 cats together? I've
had 2 cat combos several times before but never had a major problem 'til now.
Help!!!