Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / September 2005
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meee - 10 Sep 2005 12:15 GMT Hi, I'm fairly new to usenet, I am accessing through my mail/news server. I just have a few question about this group, as I have been 'reprimanded' for posting a dog question here. can someone clarify the rules as my news server hasn't included any. What is top posting, why is it so evil, I have figured out off topic but what are kill files, and why are people calling themselves 'moderators' running around saying they will 'whip the group into shape,' 'report' people (who to?) and posting bad cat jokes, while insulting anyone who will listen? I already figured out how to 'block' the amazing pussy whatsit, but are these people important, or are they 'trolls' too. This was such a nice helpful group last week, any disagreements were arising from personal opinion differences, and settled gracefully, but now it seems to be a bit different. Thanks- Confused
Katy - 10 Sep 2005 12:34 GMT > Hi, I'm fairly new to usenet ... Welcome to Usenet!
My suggestion to you is to ignore the posts and posters you do not enjoy reading. Anyone can post to these groups, which are unmoderated, so many different types do. It's all part of the fun. :) You can also go to Google and search for "killfile" and learn how to use one if you cannot ignore the posts you do not like. Understand that people are here for many different reasons, some conflicting.
Some are here just to exhange information about cats, dogs, etc. Some are here to form emotional ties and make friends. Some are here to get a rise out of others here. Some are here to stop the ones they think should not be here from posting. Some are here for other reasons. Good luck figuring out who is who and try not to take anything personally. Cheers!
Katy
meee - 10 Sep 2005 14:33 GMT > > Hi, I'm fairly new to usenet ... > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Katy Thanks for the advice :) You're right, it is very entertaining reading all the silly posts, and sometimes joining in...not in a bad way though. I guess the best way to deal with troublemakers is try to not take them seriously and make a joke out of it, have a bit of fun! If we take them seriously, they'll just get satisfaction and be encouraged to do it again. I was just concerned about being kicked out for not following the rules or something. I think i'm starting to figure out who the 'regulars' are. You've got a very interesting group...people from all over. What kind of cats do you have, katy and sandra? after all, this group is all about the cats!!
Katy - 10 Sep 2005 17:48 GMT > Thanks for the advice :) You're right, it is very entertaining reading all > the silly posts, and sometimes joining in...not in a bad way though. I guess > the best way to deal with troublemakers is try to not take them seriously > and make a joke out of it, have a bit of fun! You're right! Your first mistake in the newsgroups is taking anything too seriously. :) That said, there are some whackos out there, so if someone actually does bother you, just ignore them. Some of the more "excitable" types will complain to the Internet Service Providers of those they do not like, etc., a clear sign one is going 'round the bend. Better just to take it all with a grain of salt and have fun.
> You've got a very > interesting group...people from all over. What kind of cats do you have, > katy and sandra? I have a little calico ex-stray named Casey, about four years old, and a solid black beauty named Moonshine (Moon or moony for short!) who is about nine. (Hard to know when they are stray.) They both adopted me. How about you?
meee - 12 Sep 2005 01:18 GMT > > Thanks for the advice :) You're right, it is very entertaining reading all > > the silly posts, and sometimes joining in...not in a bad way though. I [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > black beauty named Moonshine (Moon or moony for short!) who is about nine. > (Hard to know when they are stray.) They both adopted me. How about you? Your cats sound beautiful, I love calicos, I used to have alonghaired calico.Now we have Jasmine, a white & orange oriental looking ex-stray. She just walked into our front yard one day, and we tamed her and now she is the sweetest cat! She was really skinny when we got her, but now she's all fat- I'm suspicious she may be pregnant, but she's fooled me before. i'm saving up to have her desexed. It costs $120 AU, so I'm hoping we won't have kittens before then- our landlord would freak!!!
Sandra - 10 Sep 2005 13:18 GMT Some of us are still here! Have no idea what top posting is, most of the cat lovers don't seem to mind the occasional dog question, as some have both. Just use your common sense and ignore any nasty stuff. Have fun,
 Signature Sandra
Barb - 10 Sep 2005 14:35 GMT I don't mind an occasional dog post but surely their are dog news groups that could be most informative?
-- Barb Of course I don't look busy, I did it right the first time.
meee - 10 Sep 2005 14:38 GMT > I don't mind an occasional dog post but surely their are dog news groups > that could be most informative? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Of course I don't look busy, > I did it right the first time. Yes, I have found one... alt.pets.pitbulls. Didn't think it would be useful at first, but it is full of normal, sane people (except for a few of the same weirdos that annoy people here....) who really like their breed, and know a lot about dogs. So I will take my doggy Questions to them now, except if I want a bit of a fresh out look on dog/cat relations, ours being a mixed family!!! Dogs, cat, parrot, fish and guinea-pig last count....and lots of geckos. I only posted the Q. here, as I noticed most people had animal leanings overall, and we were a bit concerned about sascha and honey adjusting from country to city life.
Rhonda - 10 Sep 2005 17:43 GMT This is top posting -- putting your reply at the top. It ticks some people off, but I was never good at herd mentality.
It does get confusing if there is a lot of back and forth conversation and some people reply at top and some at bottom, I tend to bottom-post on those.
In general, I'd rather read the reply immediately at the top than scroll down and play find-the-reply.
Just personal preference.
Rhonda
> What is top posting, why is it so evil meee - 12 Sep 2005 01:21 GMT Well I have to agree. If you have read the Question first in the header, it's tedious sometimes to have to scroll down through the question, and different replies that you've already read, to read the new reply. But some people really don't like it, so I guess it depends. Or you can just do that <snip> thingy!!
> This is top posting -- putting your reply at the top. It ticks some > people off, but I was never good at herd mentality. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > What is top posting, why is it so evil Ajanta - 11 Sep 2005 09:25 GMT : Hi, I'm fairly new to usenet, I am accessing through my mail/news server. I : just have a few question about this group, as I have been 'reprimanded' for [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] : personal opinion differences, and settled gracefully, but now it seems to be : a bit different. Thanks- Confused Welcome to Usenet. I would suggest you read for a few days before posting (this is called "lurking").
It is a good idea not to stray too far off topic, eg, posting about dogs in a cat group.
A group is called moderated if all posts have to be approved by certain moderator(s). This reducies noise, abusive language etc., but for some also cuts down spontaneity. There is no general rule. I participate in the groups I like, moderated or not.
Groups, especially unmoderated ones, do go through changes. After all, it takes only two persons to argue forever, and only one to keep posting noise 24 hours a day. It is always best to ignore them, always a mistake to try to set them straight. They do get bored and move on.
A kill-file allows you to block all posts by some criteria: author's name, keywords in the subject line, etc. How to create one depends on your newsreader. I use it, but rarely, finding it much easier to just read the posts I like and delete the rest. Any further involvement is seldom worth it. If you pick up a newspaper, do you fume over and argue with the advertizers or reporters that don't interest you?
Ajanta - 11 Sep 2005 09:28 GMT This is top posting. My answer appears above your question. Some people find it unnatural to see the answer first and the question later. But as far as I am concerned, do what you like and ignore compaliners.
: What is top posting, why is it so evil Ajanta - 11 Sep 2005 09:30 GMT : What is top posting, why is it so evil This is bottom posting. My answer appears below your question. Some people find it natural to see the question first and the answer later. But as far as I am concerned, do what you like and ignore complainers. That was ignore, not argue with!
meee - 12 Sep 2005 01:22 GMT Thanks for the help everyone, it's nice to meet the 'nice' posters, usually the nasty ones hog the screen too much! Thanks for the help everyone!
Rebecca Root - 13 Sep 2005 02:53 GMT I'm not an original poster, but was on frequently when rec.pets split into rec.pets.cats and rec.pets.dogs quite awhile ago (in the mid to late 80s I think)
Back in the arpanet days, and really up into the early 90's, there was a lot more consideration of so-called "netiquette". Connections were slow and most people were posting on educational or research organization accounts, so there was less tolerance for things that wasted people's time and bandwidth. It was not uncommon for people to lose their internet accounts for malicious posting or willful and frequent off-topic posting. It was considered extremely rude to post a message in which the quoted material was longer than the reply. People who didn't know how to use their newsreaders editors were considered not ready to post live, and there were newsgroups that existed solely to give people a place to test things out. Ah, the good old days :-)
meee - 13 Sep 2005 09:45 GMT > I'm not an original poster, but was on frequently when rec.pets split > into rec.pets.cats and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > existed solely to give people a place to test things out. Ah, the good > old days :-) I used to lurk about four or five years ago when I was in highschool- not for long 'cause my parents were very strict about net access for us (as I think some of the troll's parents need to be!!) and I have noticed a much greater number of trolls than there were then. So obviously more people are using usenet, and not all for the specified reasons!!! aaah for the days or nettiquette.
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