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meee - 10 Sep 2005 12:15 GMT
Hi, I'm fairly new to usenet, I am accessing through my mail/news server. I
just have a few question about this group, as I have been 'reprimanded' for
posting a dog question here. can someone clarify the rules as my news server
hasn't included any. What is top posting, why is it so evil, I have figured
out off topic but what are kill files, and why are people calling themselves
'moderators' running around saying they will 'whip the group into shape,'
'report' people (who to?) and posting bad cat jokes, while insulting anyone
who will listen? I already figured out how to 'block' the amazing pussy
whatsit, but are these people important, or are they 'trolls' too. This was
such a nice helpful group last week, any disagreements were arising from
personal opinion differences, and settled gracefully, but now it seems to be
a bit different. Thanks- Confused
Katy - 10 Sep 2005 12:34 GMT
> Hi, I'm fairly new to usenet ...

Welcome to Usenet!

My suggestion to you is to ignore the posts and posters you do not enjoy
reading. Anyone can post to these groups, which are unmoderated, so many
different types do. It's all part of the fun. :) You can also go to Google
and search for "killfile" and learn how to use one if you cannot ignore the
posts you do not like. Understand that people are here for many different
reasons, some conflicting.

Some are here just to exhange information about cats, dogs, etc. Some are
here to form emotional ties and make friends. Some are here to get a rise
out of others here. Some are here to stop the ones they think should not be
here from posting. Some are here for other reasons. Good luck figuring out
who is who and try not to take anything personally. Cheers!

                                            Katy
meee - 10 Sep 2005 14:33 GMT
> > Hi, I'm fairly new to usenet ...
>
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>                                              Katy

Thanks for the advice :) You're right, it is very entertaining reading all
the silly posts, and sometimes joining in...not in a bad way though. I guess
the best way to deal with troublemakers is try to not take them seriously
and make a joke out of  it, have a bit of fun! If we take them seriously,
they'll just get satisfaction and be encouraged to do it again. I was just
concerned about being kicked out for not following the rules or something. I
think i'm starting to figure out who the 'regulars' are. You've got a very
interesting group...people from all over. What kind of cats do you have,
katy and sandra? after all, this group is all about the cats!!
Katy - 10 Sep 2005 17:48 GMT
> Thanks for the advice :) You're right, it is very entertaining reading all
> the silly posts, and sometimes joining in...not in a bad way though. I guess
> the best way to deal with troublemakers is try to not take them seriously
> and make a joke out of  it, have a bit of fun!

You're right! Your first mistake in the newsgroups is taking anything
too seriously. :) That said, there are some whackos out there, so if
someone actually does bother you, just ignore them. Some of the more
"excitable" types will complain to the Internet Service Providers of those
they do not like, etc., a clear sign one is going 'round the bend. Better
just to take it all with a grain of salt and have fun.

> You've got a very
> interesting group...people from all over. What kind of cats do you have,
> katy and sandra?

I have a little calico ex-stray named Casey, about four years old, and a
solid
black beauty named Moonshine (Moon or moony for short!) who is about nine.
(Hard to know when they are stray.) They both adopted me. How about you?
meee - 12 Sep 2005 01:18 GMT
> > Thanks for the advice :) You're right, it is very entertaining reading all
> > the silly posts, and sometimes joining in...not in a bad way though. I
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> black beauty named Moonshine (Moon or moony for short!) who is about nine.
> (Hard to know when they are stray.) They both adopted me. How about you?

Your cats sound beautiful, I love calicos, I used to have alonghaired
calico.Now we have Jasmine, a white & orange oriental looking ex-stray. She
just walked into our front yard one day, and we tamed her and now she is the
sweetest cat! She was really skinny when we got her, but now she's all fat-
I'm suspicious she may be pregnant, but she's fooled me before. i'm saving
up to have her desexed. It costs $120 AU, so I'm hoping we won't have
kittens before then- our landlord would freak!!!
Sandra - 10 Sep 2005 13:18 GMT
Some of us are still here! Have no idea what top posting is, most of the cat
lovers don't seem to mind the occasional dog question, as some have both.
Just use your common sense and ignore any nasty stuff.
Have fun,

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Sandra

Barb - 10 Sep 2005 14:35 GMT
I don't mind an occasional dog post but surely their are dog news groups
that could be most informative?

--
Barb
Of course I don't look busy,
I did it right the first time.
meee - 10 Sep 2005 14:38 GMT
> I don't mind an occasional dog post but surely their are dog news groups
> that could be most informative?
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> Of course I don't look busy,
> I did it right the first time.

Yes, I have found one... alt.pets.pitbulls. Didn't think it would be useful
at first, but it is full of normal, sane people (except for a few of the
same weirdos that annoy people here....) who really like their breed, and
know a lot about dogs. So I will take my doggy Questions to them now, except
if I want a bit of a fresh out look on dog/cat relations, ours being a mixed
family!!! Dogs, cat, parrot, fish and guinea-pig last count....and lots of
geckos. I only posted the Q. here, as I noticed most people had animal
leanings overall, and we were a bit concerned about sascha and honey
adjusting from country to city life.
Rhonda - 10 Sep 2005 17:43 GMT
This is top posting -- putting your reply at the top. It ticks some
people off, but I was never good at herd mentality.

It does get confusing if there is a lot of back and forth conversation
and some people reply at top and some at bottom, I tend to bottom-post
on those.

In general, I'd rather read the reply immediately at the top than scroll
down and play find-the-reply.

Just personal preference.

Rhonda

>  What is top posting, why is it so evil
meee - 12 Sep 2005 01:21 GMT
Well I have to agree. If you have read the Question first in the header,
it's tedious sometimes to have to scroll down through the question, and
different replies that you've already read, to read the new reply. But some
people really don't like it, so I guess it depends. Or you can just do that
<snip> thingy!!

> This is top posting -- putting your reply at the top. It ticks some
> people off, but I was never good at herd mentality.
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>
> >  What is top posting, why is it so evil
Ajanta - 11 Sep 2005 09:25 GMT
: Hi, I'm fairly new to usenet, I am accessing through my mail/news server. I
: just have a few question about this group, as I have been 'reprimanded' for
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
: personal opinion differences, and settled gracefully, but now it seems to be
: a bit different. Thanks- Confused

Welcome to Usenet. I would suggest you read for a few days before
posting (this is called "lurking").

It is a good idea not to stray too far off topic, eg, posting about
dogs in a cat group.

A group is called moderated if all posts have to be approved by certain
moderator(s). This reducies noise, abusive language etc., but for some
also cuts down spontaneity. There is no general rule. I participate in
the groups I like, moderated or not.

Groups, especially unmoderated ones, do go through changes. After all,
it takes only two persons to argue forever, and only one to keep
posting noise 24 hours a day. It is always best to ignore them, always
a mistake to try to set them straight. They do get bored and move on.

A kill-file allows you to block all posts by some criteria: author's
name, keywords in the subject line, etc. How to create one depends on
your newsreader. I use it, but rarely, finding it much easier to just
read the posts I like and delete the rest. Any further involvement is
seldom worth it. If you pick up a newspaper, do you fume over and argue
with the advertizers or reporters that don't interest you?
Ajanta - 11 Sep 2005 09:28 GMT
This is top posting. My answer appears above your question. Some people
find it unnatural to see the answer first and the question later. But
as far as I am concerned, do what you like and ignore compaliners.

: What is top posting, why is it so evil
Ajanta - 11 Sep 2005 09:30 GMT
: What is top posting, why is it so evil

This is bottom posting. My answer appears below your question. Some
people find it natural to see the question first and the answer later.
But as far as I am concerned, do what you like and ignore complainers.
That was ignore, not argue with!
meee - 12 Sep 2005 01:22 GMT
Thanks for the help everyone, it's nice to meet the 'nice' posters, usually
the nasty ones hog the screen too much! Thanks for the help everyone!
Rebecca Root - 13 Sep 2005 02:53 GMT
I'm not an original poster, but was on frequently when rec.pets split
into rec.pets.cats and
rec.pets.dogs quite awhile ago (in the mid to late 80s I think)

Back in the arpanet days, and really up into the early 90's, there was
a lot more consideration
of so-called "netiquette". Connections were slow and most people were
posting on educational
or research organization accounts, so there was less tolerance for
things that wasted people's
time and bandwidth. It was not uncommon for people to lose their
internet accounts for
malicious posting or willful and frequent off-topic posting. It was
considered extremely rude to
post a message in which the quoted material was longer than the reply.  
People who didn't know how to use their newsreaders editors were
considered not ready to post live, and there were newsgroups that
existed solely to give people a place to test things out. Ah, the good
old days :-)
meee - 13 Sep 2005 09:45 GMT
> I'm not an original poster, but was on frequently when rec.pets split
> into rec.pets.cats and
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> existed solely to give people a place to test things out. Ah, the good
> old days :-)

I used to lurk about four or five years ago when I was in highschool- not
for long 'cause my parents were very strict about net access for us (as I
think some of the troll's parents need to be!!) and I have noticed a much
greater number of trolls than there were then. So obviously more people are
using usenet, and not all for the specified reasons!!! aaah for the days or
nettiquette.

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