My first foray into this newsgroup was not a nice one. Except for a very
select few who responded with caring and kindness (and to those, thank you
very much), the rest of those who responded were not very nice to me. I
didn't post to ask for your approval or your lectures....I was upset and
thought that maybe some others would understand. I wasn't looking for
someone to say "Oh, you did absolutely everything right ect." I was looking
for "Oh, I understand that you're upset and I'm sorry to hear about your
cat." I DO understand that cats/pets are living beings and that WE are
responsible for their safety when we have them...I'm not stupid. As for not
being allowed to have pets here...we are, but we aren't. When we first moved
in, it was fine...then the building got sold to another company...who now
says that no pets are allowed..although we are allowed to keep any animals
that we already had. So...once the cat is bigger, it won't be a problem, the
landlords won't know how old my cat is. I just wanted to keep her inside
until she was grown. Obviously that didn't happen, and I feel horrible about
it....but the plain and simple truth is...she was a cat...they aren't
NATURALLY inclined to live in the house without ever going outside, ever.
Their natural instincts tell them to go outside, and barring accidents
(which happen in EVERY facet of life), I see nothing wrong with allowing
them to go out. This was a very unfortunate ACCIDENT...no one's fault at
all....except for maybe the guy who ran over her, who didn't even think to
slow down or stop. Thank god it wasn't one of my kids out there...because
although she HAS been taught not to go into the street...she's 6...and they
DO things that they aren't supposed to do...unless some of you want to imply
that I should keep her under lock and key also and build her a "caged" in
area where she is allowed to play without ever venturing away from it. I
live in a rented house/townhome, therefore, I can't go out and fence the
yard or build an enclosure for either my kids OR my cat. That cat was
STARVING and almost dying when we found her. We brought her in and fed her
and gave her a GREAT life until the other day...yes, I blame myself,
regardless of what anyone says, because *I* called her...if I had just LEFT
her stay outside on her own, this probably wouldn't have happened. Did I run
right outside and check on her? No...I didn't....I saw the car go over top
of her...but as far as I could see, it did NOT hit her (I know better
now)....and after the car passed, she ran up the street and into the field,
just like she runs through the house...was I too stupid to know that even if
the car had hit her, she could still be fatally injured? Yes..I guess I was.
I really thought she was fine. If for ONE minute I had thought she was
injured, I would have gone out to get her. Yes, I WAS cooking dinner...and
it WOULD be a big deal if my house and all my possessions got destroyed by a
fire that could have started because I ran outside to chase my cat down. I
also have a daughter who was standing right next to me when all this
happened...right at the door with me. If *I* had taken off outside and into
the street, guess where *she* probably would have gone too?? Yep, right
there in the street with me. Should I abandon all sanity at that moment to
make sure that the cat that I SAW run up the street didn't die? I guess some
of you would say yes...I'm sorry to disappoint, but I don't feel that
way...my family/home are THE most important things to me...they come FIRST.
If I had thought the cat was injured I certainly would have gone looking for
her...it was about two hours later when I went and found the cat...when my
husband got home from work...maybe even an hour, I don't remember now. But
she had been dead for a while...I believe now that she died instantly (as
soon as she got into the field anyway). There was nothing that I could have
done to save her, I'm pretty sure of that...not positive, no...but what's
done is done. I feel horrible about the cat....I apologized to her and to my
children and everyone else involved in this. Will I get another cat? YES I
will. This coming week. Why? Because we are animal lovers, because my
children, as "irresponsible" as some of you like to think they are, would
NEVER allow something to happen intentionally to any animal....IF anything
happens to any future animals that we get...it will be an ACCIDENT...and
those happen every single day, in every area of life. Will I try to keep the
cat inside...yes I will. Will I always be 100% successful? NO, I'm sure that
I won't. Will I run crazy out into the middle of the street if the cat gets
out? No...probably not. Will I go outside as soon as I can if something
WOULD happen? Yes, definitely, which is what I should have done this time.
It was plain old not knowing and ignorance that caused me not to this time.
Anyway, regardless, I'll keep lurking here and reading the posts, because
they are interesting to me. Just wanted to let some of you know that if
someone is coming in with a sad story and just wants an "I'm sorry", please,
just give them THAT...not a lecture, they dont' deserve it and neither do
I....unless they do something that is totally against the animal.....which
what I "did" was not.
Nancy
Mary - 30 Sep 2003 06:56 GMT
If you don't plan to keep your new cat indoors, do us all a favor and do
NOT get one.
> My first foray into this newsgroup was not a nice one. Except for a very
> select few who responded with caring and kindness (and to those, thank you
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> what I "did" was not.
> Nancy
Mary - 30 Sep 2003 07:00 GMT
> My first foray into this newsgroup was not a nice one. ... Just wanted to
let some of you know that if
> someone is coming in with a sad story and just wants an "I'm sorry", please,
> just give them THAT...not a lecture, they dont' deserve it and neither do
> I....unless they do something that is totally against the animal.....which
> what I "did" was not.
But you did. Don't you understand that lots of the people who post and
read here
have cats that try to get out? Think about it. Sorry about your loss, but
you could have
kept the cat in. Who cares what YOU want? Why didn't you ensure the safety
of your
cat?
> Nancy
Sherry - 30 Sep 2003 08:21 GMT
>> My first foray into this newsgroup was not a nice one. ... Just wanted to
>let some of you know that if
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>of your
>cat?
Please stop crucifying this poster. It's obvious to me that she feels bad
enough already. Dogging her and continuing a flamefest isn't going to either
bring her cat back, or probably affect her decision whether or not to get
another cat. Yes, there are many people who read this newsgroup who have cats
who try to escape, I'm sure. One of them posted recently, in a thread titled
"Indoor Cat-Escape Artist" soliciting advice for a cat who had already run out
several times. The poster got three replies.
Sherry
Mary - 30 Sep 2003 15:15 GMT
> Please stop crucifying this poster. It's obvious to me that she feels bad
> enough already.
No, not quite, because she plans to get another cat and let it roam in an
area
with lots of traffic. Bullshit. You are entitled to your opinion and I am
entitled
to mine. I would think she would have at the very least learned from her
experience that in her area the only safe cat is an indoor cat, but
apparently not.
Philip ? - 30 Sep 2003 15:54 GMT
> > Please stop crucifying this poster. It's obvious to me that she
> > feels bad enough already.
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> from her experience that in her area the only safe cat is an
> indoor cat, but apparently not.
Maybe she's conducting an experiment in Darwinian selection? Once
she gets a cat that survives a couple of years with vehicular traffic
with no injuries, she'll offer the cat for breeding purposes. A
"smart cat" hybrid. LOL
--
~~Philip
"Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"
-L. - 01 Oct 2003 04:58 GMT
> > Please stop crucifying this poster. It's obvious to me that she feels bad
> > enough already.
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> experience that in her area the only safe cat is an indoor cat, but
> apparently not.
Well, some people take more than one "learning experience" to get the
point. That doesn't mean she doesn't feel bad/sad for the cat - I
think it is quite apparent that she does.
-L.
bekah - 30 Sep 2003 15:39 GMT
Stop treat this woman as if she is a monster.
NONE of you can say your cat has NEVER tried to get out. If you do say
it, I would have to say it is a lie. Because as she has said it is their
instink to go out. And none of you are perfect oet people either. So in
two words.......Lay off!
When I use to post in here you all jump me over a midi file in my sig.
And now you jump someone who lost there pet.
Now go ahead flame me! That is all you all are in here to do anyway
right.
Philip ? - 30 Sep 2003 17:14 GMT
> Stop treat this woman as if she is a monster.
> NONE of you can say your cat has NEVER tried to get out. If you do
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> Now go ahead flame me! That is all you all are in here to do anyway
> right.
Are you equating the lost of a pet to including a MIDI file in your
sig line? Odd indeed.
Instant Karma - 05 Oct 2003 02:58 GMT
>Stop treat this woman as if she is a monster.
>NONE of you can say your cat has NEVER tried to get out. If you do say
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>Now go ahead flame me! That is all you all are in here to do anyway
>right.
How come I knew this was a WebTV post before I even looked at the
headers?
Mary - 05 Oct 2003 07:46 GMT
> >Stop treat this woman as if she is a monster.
> >NONE of you can say your cat has NEVER tried to get out. If you do say
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> How come I knew this was a WebTV post before I even looked at the
> headers?
Oh, I don't know, Tweety. Maybe yer psychotic.
Steve G - 30 Sep 2003 19:11 GMT
> My first foray into this newsgroup was not a nice one.
(...)
> what I "did" was not.
Use paragraphs and drop the ellipses and you'll be fine. (Trawling
through your post actually made my eyes bleed).
Steve.
Alexandra - 30 Sep 2003 22:57 GMT
Nancy,
I am sorry that you feel as though you were being lectured and beaten
up in this news group, and you are right about some people who have.
I too lost a cat to a car when I was a child, and it's heartbreaking.
Please know that I don't blame you, and I understand everything that
you said. You're right that it would have been stupid to run into the
road after the kitty when your daughter might have followed you.
It pains me a good deal that there are some people who are so
compassionate about animals that they forget to be just as
compassionate with people. I am sorry that you have had to deal with
that kind of people. I am a cat lover through and through, but I
think it's wrong to hang people like yourself out to dry.
Hugs,
Alex
-L. - 01 Oct 2003 05:07 GMT
> My first foray into this newsgroup was not a nice one. Except for a very
> select few who responded with caring and kindness (and to those, thank you
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> it....but the plain and simple truth is...she was a cat...they aren't
> NATURALLY inclined to live in the house without ever going outside, ever.
Perhaps not, but there are hundreds of thousands of cats that live
full, happy lives as indoor-only cats, particularly if they are raised
as such from kittenhood. If you have qualms about this, discuss it
with a vet - most vets I have encountered advocate cats be raised as
indoor-only because it is a much safer existence on many fronts.
Again, sorry for your loss, and I hope you can find some healing in
the days and weeks to come.
-L.
Luvskats00 - 01 Oct 2003 08:40 GMT
mverzich906@adelphia.net writes
>she was a cat...they aren't
>NATURALLY inclined to live in the >house without ever going outside, >ever.
>Their natural instincts tell them to >go outside, and barring accidents
>(which happen in EVERY facet of >life), I see nothing wrong with >allowing
them to go out.
I'm sorry that you let your cat roam outside and the cat died. Really!
However, no animal lover/pet guardian lets their cat out with the intension
that they want their cat to die outside. Every single death occurring outside
- IS AN ACCIDENT. Whether that accident is 1) cat run over by car 2) cat
fatally injured by wild animal/dog 3) cat consuming a poison/drinking toxic
antifreeze/coolant from a leaking car..etc. Cats are domestic animals. They
are fed catfood regularly..they are not lions, leopards are any other exotic
feline who hunt/kill other animals for food. Most - not all - cats can live
indoors their entire life. Tens of thousands such cats live inside their entire
lives. Those who have cats that roam outside have come to terms with the
gamble they take with the cat's life. Sure..many cats escape injury and
death....and many do not. Cats do not read walk/don't walk signs..they can't
tell the difference between red-stop/gree-go traffic lights..they don't look
both ways before crossing the street..they don't pack a gun to defend against
people who might hurt/abduct them and the animal situations listed above.
-L. - 01 Oct 2003 16:21 GMT
> mverzich906@adelphia.net writes
>
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> that they want their cat to die outside. Every single death occurring outside
> - IS AN ACCIDENT
I dunno. I'm of the mindframe that there aren't any "accidents" -
just the results of choices - either made by ourselves or others.
Cause and effect, plain and simple.
(This isn't commentary on the OP - I think what happened was sad and I
know she feels terrible - just commentary, in general.)
-L.