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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / September 2005Declawing saved my cat's life, giving him 7 more years and saving the furniture as well.
My mother died in 1997. "Bunch" was 7 years old at the time. He had torn up most of the upholstered furniture at mom's and had some wellness issues as well. It was Mom's wish that someone take Bunch so he could live a full life. None of my other siblings (4 sorry selfish bitch sisters) wanted to take him on because of his health and clawing so I did the right thing and took Bunch. The reason I say they are sorry selfish bitch sisters is that they got as much money from Mom's estate as I did and they didn't pony up any of the money to help pay for Bunch's medical problems. But they were sorry selfish bitches before the money issue came up anyway. I had to get Bunch declawed though so he would not tear up Kathy's and my furniture. I know, that is kind of late in life to get a cat declawed, but it was the only way that Bunch was going to survive. It was rough on him for about 1 week - the sensitive padded paws - but he came through it like the champion he was to my mother. And he actually became an even more loving pet because Mom had not been able to care for him in her declining years as well as I know she would have liked. He even started purring a lot when he would jump up on the bed at night to join Kathy and me. Bunch lived with us for 7 years and gave us much joy. He had to have a depo shot each month for his skin condition and he kind of fell off at the end due to depo-induced diabetes that was helped by putting him on a diabetes diet. He fell off from 12 1/2 pounds to 8 1/2 and the vet told us it was time for us to have him put to sleep. He knew how much Bunch meant to the two of us (and me particularly due to what Mom had done for me through life and the money she had left me and the sorry bitches) but it was time for Bunch to join Mom in heaven. To make it easy to remember the date we had him put to sleep on was 9/11/04. That way the anniversary of his death will be easily remembered - a tribute to the love and comfort that Bunch gave us and we gave him. We still love you Bunch, and miss you a bunch! If there is anyone out there who is in a similar situation and is torn between having a cat declawed or having it put to sleep simply due to a clawing habit do the right thing. Have the cat declawed so it can live and enjoy life instead! You will never regret it. Ken troll Cats depend on their claws like we depend on our fingers. kathy_andor_ken yahoo.com wrote: > Path: newssvr30.news.prodigy.com!newsdbm03.news.prodigy.com!newsdst01.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01b.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!newsread.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!postnews.google.com!z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail > From: kathy_andor_ken yahoo.com [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > Ken >troll Yeah, I suspect this is just another symptom of September and some bored college student with too much time on his hands. Won't keep this from turning into a flame war, though. Stacia > To make it easy to remember the date we had him put to sleep on was > 9/11/04. That way the anniversary of his death will be easily > remembered - a tribute to the love and comfort that Bunch gave us and > we gave him. I'm very happy your cat died. It must have been very miserable with its' claws ripped out. >I had to get Bunch declawed though so he would not tear up Kathy's and >my furniture. I know, that is kind of late in life to get a cat [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >He even started purring a lot when he would jump up on the bed at night >to join Kathy and me. Here we go again. Now all the anti declawing fanatics are going to start on the crusade !!!! http://members.aol.com/larrystark/ http://members.aol.com/larrystark/strays.htm "whayface" <whayface7540722@yahoo.junk.com> wrote in message > > Here we go again. Now all the anti declawing fanatics are going to start on the > crusade !!!! Actually, that would be pointless. If declawers aren't smart enough to teach their cats where to scratch, they certainly don't have the intelligence to understand the heinousness of the mayhem. Must be humiliating having a cat that's smarter than they are. What they did to this cat is kind of like saying, "your fingers or your life". Given a choice I guess we'd all rather have the tops of our fingers cut off than be killed. Still, we would never get over that. -- Barb Of course I don't look busy, I did it right the first time. > What they did to this cat is kind of like saying, "your fingers or your > life". Given a choice I That's part of the inhumanity of the procedure- the cat doesn't get the choice. guess we'd all rather have the tops of our fingers > cut off than be killed. Some years ago, Landsberg, a Canadian behaviorist, conducted a survey of owners of declawed cat to find out how many owners would actually have killed their cats if the cats couldn't be declawed. 98% said they would have still kept their cats if they couldn't be declawed. So, the 'death or declaw' ultimatum is nothing more than cheap emotional blackmail that lazy, selfish, inconsiderate owners use to assuage their conscience and mask their ineptness in teaching their cats where to scratch. > Still, we would never get over that. Neither do the cats. http://www.maxshouse.com/facts_about_declawing.htm Well, Phil..... Kathy and I must be in that 2%. The furniture we have is very valuable. It has been accumulated over the years. We live in a 3,500 sq. ft. house! There are some antique sofas, for instance. We have paid to have them cleaned and even had them reworked over the years. Very valuable sofas with very valuable and costly fabric. And gotta watch that wood now........once it's scratched it isn't worth anything. Some biddy who replied here in another post seemed to be trying to say that cats can be taught not to claw in no time. It is not the case! I also resent the insinuation of that bitch that my Mom in some way did not take care of the cat while she had him. She rescued Bunch as a kitten when he was in the middle of the road. I guess you and the others think that she should have let nature take its course - if a car hit the kitten that would be ok and part of (in your deviated minds) God's plan. And even now, that my Mom, God and I saw to it that Bunch lived to be 14 instead of dying in the middle of that road, you guys still try to make out that the cat was mistreated by Mom causing auto-immune side effects and that I having had Bunch declawed was in some way evil. You people living on the side of a mountain in West Virginia or something? It is also wrong for you and the others to equate the loss of cat's claws to a human being losing their fingers. Like I told someone else in a response here the analogy they are trying to make is fallacious because they AREN'T equivalent and therefore the analogy they are trying to make is a false analogy. You people aren't very smart, are you? Ken > It is also wrong for you and the others to equate the loss of cat's > claws to a human being losing their fingers. Like I told someone else > in a response here the analogy they are trying to make is fallacious > because they AREN'T equivalent and therefore the analogy they are > trying to make is a false analogy. You were wrong then and you're wrong now. The analogy is correct. You're not very bright, are you? (rhetorical question). I'll repost my reply to your previous ignorant statement because you'll probably need to read it a few times to understand it: "The claw is part of the last bone (distal phalanx) in the cat's toe. The claw arises from the unguicular crest and unguicular process in the distal phalanx. Most of the germinal cells that produce the claw are situated in the dorsal aspect of the ungual crest. This region must be removed completely, or regrowth of a vestigial claw and abcessation results. IOW, the last bone of the cat's toe must be amputated at the joint." http://www.maxshouse.com/anatomy/claws/Main_Graphic_Claws.jpg http://www.maxshouse.com/anatomy/claws/Forepaw_skeleton_%20crop.jpg > You people aren't very smart, are you? Obviously, we're smarter than you- We're smart enough to teach our cat where to scratch. Must be embarrassing having cats that are smarter than you, eh? > > It is also wrong for you and the others to equate the loss of cat's > > claws to a human being losing their fingers. Like I told someone else [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Obviously, we're smarter than you- We're smart enough to teach our cat where > to scratch. Must be embarrassing having cats that are smarter than you, eh? Naw....we showed him who was boss. Ken AND Kathy > > > It is also wrong for you and the others to equate the loss of cat's > > > claws to a human being losing their fingers. Like I told someone else [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Naw....we showed him who was boss. IOW, you took your little dick complex and inferiority complex out on your cat. Since you're not as smart as your cat, being stronger and imposing your will on your cat compensates, eh? To Phil, I thought about your "Cats don't have a choice" regarding your fingers or your life and you are right. This declawing is more like- "You lucky duck, I'm going to chop off the ends of your fingers instead of killing you." My Sapphire had been a declawed kitten when I found her in the street. Her whole life she pretended each day to sharpen her claws. The other cats could claw their way to the top of the cat tree and Sapphire always had to go up the inside using the steps. I always wished I could give her back her claws. -- Barb Of course I don't look busy, I did it right the first time. Barb's anxious response to Phil's response..... **************************************************************************************************\ To Phil, I thought about your "Cats don't have a choice" regarding your fingers or your life and you are right. This declawing is more like- "You lucky duck, I'm going to chop off the ends of your fingers instead of killing you." My Sapphire had been a declawed kitten when I found her in the street. Her whole life she pretended each day to sharpen her claws. The other cats could claw their way to the top of the cat tree and Sapphire always had to go up the inside using the steps. I always wished I could give her back her claws. -- Barb Of course I don't look busy, I did it right the first time. ************************************************************************************************* Ever heard the saying "wish in one of your hands and take a crap in the other and see which one gets full first" Barb? Kathy AND Ken > Ever heard the saying "wish in one of your hands and take a crap in the > other and see which one gets full first" Barb? Ever hear, "You have too much time on your hands?" Probably quite a bit.  SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ We are glad it bothers you so "little woman"! Kathy AND Ken > We are glad it bothers you so "little woman"! > > Kathy AND Ken What is this in reply to, you venomous, moronic pieces of horseshit? Learn how to quote. Candace > > We are glad it bothers you so "little woman"! > > > > Kathy AND Ken > > What is this in reply to, you venomous, moronic pieces of horseshit? > Learn how to quote. You took the words right out of my mouth. :) You need to wash your mouth out with soap Candace....... There bitch! Kathy AND Ken ************************************************************************************************* kathy_andor_...@yahoo.com wrote: > We are glad it bothers you so "little woman"! > Kathy AND Ken What is this in reply to, you venomous, moronic pieces of horseshit? Learn how to quote. Candace > You need to wash your mouth out with soap Candace....... There bitch! yawn Miss the short bus to church today? > Her > whole life she pretended each day to sharpen her claws. Hodge does the same thing, and he kneads quite a bit, too. It's really sad to see since there's nothing there, and his feet look misshapen when he stretches them out or as he's walking. (To clarify: Same thing as you -- he was declawed by a previous owner, not sure if it was the same one who abandoned him.) He does have his back claws, though, which he keeps razor sharp with his teeth. Heh. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > To Phil, > > I thought about your "Cats don't have a choice" regarding your fingers or > your life and you are right. This declawing is more like- "You lucky duck, > I'm going to chop off the ends of your fingers instead of killing you." Hi Barb, I know- doncha hate when people have that asinine attitude? As if the cat owes them something for adopting her. They feel they have the right to do anything they want to the cat because they saved her life. Kinda like indentured or penal servitude. > My Sapphire had been a declawed kitten when I found her in the street. Her > whole life she pretended each day to sharpen her claws. The other cats > could claw their way to the top of the cat tree and Sapphire always had to > go up the inside using the steps. I always wished I could give her back her > claws. I have two cats that were declawed by their previous owners, so, I know exactly what you're talking about. They go through the scratching motion but they don't derive the same pleasure as clawed cats. I can feel the muscles in their shoulders and back don't tighten nearly as much as my clawed cats' muscles do when they scratch. One of the saddest things I've seen was one of the declawed cats jumping from the sofa to a cat tree and falling because she couldn't grip the tree with her claws. The look on her face was one of confusion and bewilderment- she didn't seem to understand why she fell. Truly heart-wrenching. You're also right about how declawed cats climb. Cats love to climb vertically- they exercise all the muscles of their paws, forelimbs and back. Declawed cats can't- they have to climb in steps. They say one picture is worth a 1000 words - any one says it all: http://www.maxshouse.com/why_cats_have_claws.htm Phil > Well, Phil..... Kathy and I must be in that 2%. The furniture we have > is very valuable. It has been accumulated over the years. We live in > a 3,500 sq. ft. house! Just a note: you are not the only people who post here who value your furniture. While it is not my style to post as you have posted above, you will just have to trust me on that. Everyone has family heirlooms and some stuff they don't want to see ruined. The difference is, any living thing, especially one that trusts and depends on me is always going to be more important than any furniture. That said, the simplest alternative to mutilation by declawing is to a) trim your cats' claws about every four weeks and b) give them things they like to scratch better than your furniture. It is simple, and takes little effort, and most certainly costs less than declawing. There is never any need to declaw. It is done for expediency only, and is indeed very cruel. Why don't you do the decent thing and find the cat a loving home where it will mean more to the owner than the furniture does? chas >Well, Phil..... Kathy and I must be in that 2%. The furniture we have >is very valuable. It has been accumulated over the years. We live in [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >Ken When the subject of cat declawing comes up some of these people only can see it one way, that cats are better off dead then declawed. They do not even try to see the other side of it. Before I go further let me say that I would not declaw mine of which I have 4 which is 1 above what the law says I can have. When I found two more kittens which were both about 3 months old I tryed to find a home for them but my mother-in-law already had 10 cats which were all strays, my neice already had taken 2 for me and her neighbor took one plus as I said I had 4. I ran an ad in the paper for a week with no takers. Every day there is usually up to a dozen ads for cats / kittens in the "Free for Free" section. The local shelter would take them but only keep them for 3 days because they were overloaded with cats / kittens. Done of my other relatives would take them. That left my ex and she said she would take them if they were declawed. Well it was declaw or turn them back loose to fend for themselves and I choose declaw and my ex took them and they are so spoiled that they are worse them mine as far as spoiled and they are more lovable then any of the 4 of mine. One of them is a Flame Pointe and the other is a Tabby. I know someone is still going to say I was wrong for declawing them but they are loved, spoiled and have a good home now so I think I made the right decision so you anti declawing fanatic can go take a flying leap. You can see all mine and my ex's babies at: http://members.aol.com/larrystark/ http://members.aol.com/larrystark/strays.htm > That left my ex and she said she would take them if they were declawed. Well it was > declaw or turn them back loose to fend for themselves and I choose declaw and my ex took [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > spoiled and have a good home now so I think I made the right decision so you anti > declawing fanatic can go take a flying leap. Yes, you were wrong, but I think you already know that. Giving in to your ex's emotional blackmail was wrong. Mutilating these poor animals so they could have a home was wrong. What if declawing was illegal where you live so you couldn't have them declawed? What would you or your ex have done then? I highly recommend educating your ex on exactly what declawing is. Maybe she's not aware that not only is the claw removed, but the last digit of each toe is also amputated. Your argument that it's okay they were declawed because they are loved and spoiled is ridiculous. Think about it - if someone beat their kid but yet said they still loved them, don't you think that's ridiculous? >> That left my ex and she said she would take them if they were declawed. Well it was >> declaw or turn them back loose to fend for themselves and I choose declaw and my ex took [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >spoiled is ridiculous. Think about it - if someone beat their kid but >yet said they still loved them, don't you think that's ridiculous? Screw you idiot. Would you rather they were left to fend for themselves or put to death?? And yes she has seen the pics of how they declaw. I would like to have you idiots delaw at the nuts!!! "whayface" <whayface7540722@yahoo.junk.com> wrote in message > That left my ex and she said she would take them if they were declawed. Your ex wanted the kittens declawed even though they didn't have a scratching problem- so you had them declawed??? Did you and your ex meet on the short bus in high school? > I know someone is still going to say I was wrong for declawing them Of course you were wrong. You just don't have the sense to realize it. but they are loved, > spoiled and have a good home ...that they paid for with their flesh and bones- literally. They just won't be able to jump and climb like other cats can or stretch and exercise their paws, forelimbs and back like other cats, or enjoy the pleasure of scratching. > now so I think I made the right decision Of course you do- You're in what's called denial. Its an unconscious defense mechanism that prevents you from accepting the painful reality and responsibility of your actions. so you anti > declawing fanatic can go take a flying leap. Sounds like you already have-- and still haven't landed. Maybe your ex will take you back if you got neutered? >> declawing fanatic can go take a flying leap. > >Sounds like you already have-- and still haven't landed. > >Maybe your ex will take you back if you got neutered? I supposed you are anti nueter also and think that they should be left to father more homeless kitten all over the place ????? Like I said go take a flying leap!!!! > >> declawing fanatic can go take a flying leap. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I supposed you are anti nueter also and think that they should be left to father more > homeless kitten all over the place ????? I was one of the first participants in this newsgroup to promote *early age neutering* for many years. You really should make an effort to know what you're talking about before you post- maybe you wouldn't look like such a fool- although I think its a little late to start worrying about, now. LOL! > Like I said go take a flying leap!!!! Not a chance! Look what happened to you. You still haven't landed. >> >> declawing fanatic can go take a flying leap. >> > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >I was one of the first participants in this newsgroup to promote *early age >neutering* for many years. Would you like Bozo Badge for it? *smirk* > >> >> declawing fanatic can go take a flying leap. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Would you like Bozo Badge for it? Naa, you keep it- it suits you better than me. >> >> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:19:20 -0400, "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Naa, you keep it- it suits you better than me. *smirk* It looks better on you, surely. You're amazing where it concerns our feline friends--but you suck where it concerns people. Thought you might want to know! > >> >> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:19:20 -0400, "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> > >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > It looks better on you, surely. Considering the substance of your post- I'd say it was custom made for you; it fits you like a glove. You're amazing where it concerns our > feline friends-- Yeah. Its too bad that some of them got stuck with a.sholes. > but you suck where it concerns people. Only with certain people. Most of the a.sholes would probably agree with you- at least I hope they would- > Thought you might want to know! Its always a pleasure to here I'm doing a good job. >> >> >> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:19:20 -0400, "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> >> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Considering the substance of your post- *smirk* Poor boy--he can't take an opinion. <clip> >You're amazing where it concerns our >> feline friends-- > >Yeah. Its too bad that some of them got stuck with a.sholes. I concur. But shame people got stuck with you, an a.shole. >> but you suck where it concerns people. > >Only with certain people. Most of the a.sholes would probably agree with >you- Nope. I treat animals with respect and a.sholes with disrespect. <clip> >> Thought you might want to know! > >Its always a pleasure to here I'm doing a good job. Oh, no--don't misinterpret what I've said. I didn't say you were doing a "good job." In fact I was criticizing you for being a poor human being. (And poor as in "sh.t.") > >> >> >> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:19:20 -0400, "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> > >> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Poor boy--he can't take an opinion. I consider the source of the opinion and place a value on it accordingly. That's why yours has no value. > <clip> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > But shame people got stuck with you, an a.shole. Only the a.sholes say that. They'd rather whine and complain about my manners- just like you- than simply add me to their kill-file. No one is "stuck" with unless they choose to be. > >> but you suck where it concerns people. > > > >Only with certain people. Most of the a.sholes would probably agree with > >you- > > Nope. I treat animals with respect and a.sholes with disrespect. I treat people who mistreat animals like a.sholes. Those are usually the people who whine and complain the most about my manners. So you must be in that group and I probably criticized or ridiculed you harshly at one time or another. Actually, I'm fairly certain I did- you're just using a different name because you're embarrassed. > <clip> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Oh, no--don't misinterpret what I've said. I didn't say you were > doing a "good job." Sure you did. You let me know that I offend a.sholes- which is precisely my intention. Thanks again! >> >> >> >> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:19:20 -0400, "Phil P." ><phil@maxshouse.com> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >I consider the source of the opinion and place a value on it accordingly. >That's why yours has no value. Of course it wouldn't, to you--because it doesn't flatter you. Tough! >> <clip> >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Only the a.sholes say that. ...to even bigger a.sholes, like yourself. >> >> but you suck where it concerns people. >> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >I treat people who mistreat animals like a.sholes. I treat a.sholes who are a.sholes to people as they are--a.sholes. <clip> >> >> Thought you might want to know! >> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Sure you did. <smirk> Are you _always_ this dishonest, a.shole? <clip> > >I consider the source of the opinion and place a value on it accordingly. > >That's why yours has no value. > > Of course it wouldn't, to you--because it doesn't flatter you. Nope. Your opinion has no value because you're no one of any significance- a nobody- a nothing. Some people's opinions are important to me- you're just not one of them. I must have really flame broiled you to well done at one time or another for doing something stupid! I must have done a good job because you haven't gotten over it! ROTFL! If was fun, but now you're a waste of my time so I'll bit you adieu. The pleasure was all yours. On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:23:37 -0400, wrote: >> >I consider the source of the opinion and place a value on it >accordingly. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >If was fun, but now you're a waste of my time so I'll bit you adieu. The >pleasure was all yours. You shouldn't pick on women ya coward. > On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:23:37 -0400, wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > You shouldn't pick on women ya coward. It's okay, gawjuss. :) Louise is stalking him. She fell in love with the magnificent Phil, only to find that he was only interested in her for her cats. A bitter pill to swallow. Now she hunts him by day and walks the floors at night. Once you've had a little taste of Phil's fantastic expertise re cats, you never forget it. And I am not kidding. Sure, plenty of guys are good for a quick twinkie tingle. Lots of guys can deliver the cold cuts with or without mayo (if you know what I mean.) But Phil is the guy you go to when your pussy's, feverish, hungry, yelling her head off; swollen, enflamed, engorged. Or maybe she just has a bit of constipation. Phil is every cat woman's dream. Poor Louise. No wonder she's bitter. On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:52:46 +0200 (CEST), wrote: >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:23:37 -0400, wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >Poor Louise. No wonder she's bitter. Send her to me, I can take care of her. > >Poor Louise. No wonder she's bitter. > > > Send her to me, I can take care of her. Really. I thought you were gonna take care of *me*. I'm not much into sharing. Candace On 15 Sep 2005 19:01:12 -0700, wrote: >> >Poor Louise. No wonder she's bitter. >> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Candace You got it baby, I was just trying to see if you were paying attention. < sends candy to Candace > > But Phil is the guy > you go to when your pussy's, feverish, hungry, yelling her > head off; swollen, enflamed, engorged. Or maybe she just > has a bit of constipation. Phil is every cat woman's dream. I concur. Candace Maybe you will get over the way that Phillis stole Phil away from you Candace. But we think you will need to get some psychiatric help in doing so, due to your passivity and low self-esteem. Sincerely, Kathy AND Ken *************************************************************************************************** Phillis Starkey wrote: > But Phil is the guy > you go to when your pussy's, feverish, hungry, yelling her > head off; swollen, enflamed, engorged. Or maybe she just > has a bit of constipation. Phil is every cat woman's dream. I concur. Candace You sound like a regular catch Phillis. "gawjuss" - the words of a sanctimonious bitch! And an interloper as well. Having your little plan in the background to steal Phil (who is not in any way a "good catch") away from Candace. She is much better without that loser Phil than she was with him. You indicate he is so good with cats and all. I bet he tried to take advantage of Candace's cats while her back was turned. Meow! Kathy AND Ken > Kathy AND Ken It took the *both* of you to type that message! ROTFL! I was right, you are a couple of morons. Actually, methinks "Kathy" is actually Ken's hand. I'd bet all Ken's fingers have female names that begin with the letter "K". He probably brags about having a few orgies every day. Be careful of him Louise. He might not be as much for animals "of which he speaks". He could be one of those liars that takes advantage of his animals. An evil person who is antisocial as well and pines for negative discourse with other humans. Just wanted to warn you. We have seen the likes of Phil P., Barb, Diane and other such rabble before. Oh, and he needs to learn how to speel. "Here" instead of "hear"...how dreadful! Kathy and Ken Louise's cogent response to another one of Phil P's ongoing rants: ******************************************************************************************************* "Louise Mallard" <louisemall...@journalist.com> wrote in message news:6dhbi15opdc3pcqqcga402cb0259tk6nm9@4ax.com... - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:28:13 -0400, "Phil P." <p...@maxshouse.com> > wrote: > >> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:35:21 -0400, "Phil P." <p...@maxshouse.com> > >> wrote: > >> >> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:19:20 -0400, "Phil P." <p...@maxshouse.com> > >wrote: > >> >> >> declawing fanatic can go take a flying leap. > >> >> >Sounds like you already have-- and still haven't landed. > >> >> >Maybe your ex will take you back if you got neutered? > >> >> I supposed you are anti nueter also and think that they should be left > >to > >> >father more > >> >> homeless kitten all over the place ????? > >> >I was one of the first participants in this newsgroup to promote *early > >age > >> >neutering* for many years. > >> Would you like Bozo Badge for it? > >Naa, you keep it- it suits you better than me. > *smirk* > It looks better on you, surely. Considering the substance of your post- I'd say it was custom made for you; it fits you like a glove. You're amazing where it concerns our > feline friends-- Yeah. Its too bad that some of them got stuck with a.sholes. > but you suck where it concerns people. Only with certain people. Most of the a.sholes would probably agree with you- at least I hope they would- > Thought you might want to know! Its always a pleasure to here I'm doing a good job. ***************************************************************************************************** > Be careful of him Louise. Parinoid little dork aren't you? When you see people whispering- do you think they're plotting against you? And when they're laughing, do you think they're laughing at you? (They probably are) He might not be as much for animals "of > which he speaks". He could be one of those liars that takes advantage > of his animals. Seems like you took advantage of your cat's trust and size when you had him declawed because you're too lazy and not smart enough to teach him where to scratch. Your asinine statement just about sums up your mentality-- Its a typical response from a dolt whose not even smart enough to teach a cat were to scratch. An evil person who is antisocial as well and pines for > negative discourse with other humans. Ain't that a hoot! You maimed and disjointed your cat for your own convenience and you call me "evil"? You're not only a paranoid little dolt- you're a self-righteous, hypocritical, paranoid little dolt. I'd bet the only thing you and your wife fight over is the mirror. Louise has busted you for the same thing and has confirmed our darkest fears about you Phil. That you are a poor little wuss who has control issues. You might want to talk to your therapist about it or get one if you don't have one yet. Kathy (with Ken laughing in the background) > Louise has busted you for the same thing and has confirmed our darkest > fears about you Phil. That you are a poor little wuss who has control [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Kathy > (with Ken laughing in the background) Co-dependency is so cute. I'm glad you were able to snag a man who has nothing better to do than hang by your side constantly, even when you post drivel to newsgroups. You two must have a very fulfilling life together. Candace > > Kathy > > (with Ken laughing in the background) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > post drivel to newsgroups. You two must have a very fulfilling life > together. And here I thought the Kathy AND Ken (the AND is so important, you know) was a reference to gender indecisiveness. :) SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > And here I thought the Kathy AND Ken (the AND is so important, you know) > was a reference to gender indecisiveness. :) Oh, I hadn't thought of that! You're probably right :) Gender indecisiveness is cute, too. Candace > Louise has busted you for the same thing and has confirmed our darkest > fears about you Phil. That you are a poor little wuss who has control > issues. You might want to talk to your therapist about it or get one > if you don't have one yet. Awwww, you're jealous, envious and resentful because I'm smarter than you and your bozo Ken combined. You see, twit, I *did* teach *all* my cats where to scratch. Between the both you morons you can't muster the intelligence and common sense to figure out how to teach your cats where to scratch so you maimed and disjointed them. You probably resent your cats too because they're also smarter than you. > Kathy > (with Ken laughing in the background) Ken is laughing in the background because he has a rear view of you. LOL! A troll dissing retarded people. > Path: newsdbm06.news.prodigy.com!newsdst02.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01b.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail > NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:22:02 -0500 [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 > Xref: newsmst01b.news.prodigy.com rec.pets.cats.health+behav:392060 alt.animals.cat:24656 alt.cats:208043 ... > Did you and your ex meet on the short bus in high school? > A troll dissing retarded people. I did no such thing, moron. I simply asked a question. If you weren't a moron you would know the difference between a question and a statement. That's why I never ask you if you're a moron. Questions usually have a question mark (?) at the end of the sentence; statements have periods (.). Write that down, moron, so you don't forget. > What they did to this cat is kind of like saying, "your fingers or your > life". Given a choice I guess we'd all rather have the tops of our fingers > cut off than be killed. Still, we would never get over that. Yeah, Barb, you wouldn't be able to type out stupid responses like you just did. And that would be a blessing to many, many people. What you are trying to make into a analogy, that their nails are equivalent to our (human's) fingers, is what they refer to school as a false analogy. It is not correct in fact. Go back to the drawing board. Ken (with my Kathy nodding her complete agreement) > -- > Barb > Of course I don't look busy, > I did it right the first time. > What you are trying to make into a analogy, that their nails are > equivalent to our (human's) fingers, is what they refer to school as a > false analogy. It is not correct in fact. You obviously don't know much about feline anatomy. The analogy is exactly correct. The claw is part of the last bone (distal phalanx) in the cat's toe. The claw arises from the unguicular crest and unguicular process in the distal phalanx. Most of the germinal cells that produce the claw are situated in the dorsal aspect of the ungual crest. This region must be removed completely, or regrowth of a vestigial claw and abcessation results. IOW, the last bone of the cat's toe must be amputated at the joint. http://www.maxshouse.com/anatomy/claws/Main_Graphic_Claws.jpg http://www.maxshouse.com/anatomy/claws/Forepaw_skeleton_%20crop.jpg > Go back to the drawing board. Educate yourself about feline anatomy so you don't make a fool of yourself again or butcher any more cats out of ignorance. http://www.maxshouse.com/facts_about_declawing.htm > ....................cut > None of my other siblings (4 sorry selfish bitch sisters Including you, there are 5 of them !!!!!! > ) wanted to > take him on because of his health and clawing so I did the right thing > and took Bunch. The reason I say they are sorry selfish bitch sisters > is that they got as much money from Mom's estate as I did and they > didn't pony up any of the money to help pay for Bunch's medical > problems. But they were sorry selfish bitches And what about *YOU* ?????? > before the money issue > came up anyway. > > I had to get Bunch declawed You could make your fingers pulled out too... > .....................cut > We still love you Bunch, and miss you a bunch! Poor little Bunch won't miss you, one of the sorry selfish b... > If there is anyone out there who is in a similar situation and is torn > between having a cat declawed or having it put to sleep simply due to a > clawing habit do the right thing. Have the cat declawed so it can live > and enjoy life instead! You will never regret it. Enjoy ! the furniture shall be "as new" when you'll die ! > Ken BigJoe's response to me: ****************************************************************\ <kathy_andor_...@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message de news: 1126215620.196595.64...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > ....................cut > None of my other siblings (4 sorry selfish bitch sisters Including you, there are 5 of them !!!!!! > ) wanted to > take him on because of his health and clawing so I did the right thing > and took Bunch. The reason I say they are sorry selfish bitch sisters > is that they got as much money from Mom's estate as I did and they > didn't pony up any of the money to help pay for Bunch's medical > problems. But they were sorry selfish bitches And what about *YOU* ?????? > before the money issue > came up anyway. > I had to get Bunch declawed You could make your fingers pulled out too... > .....................cut > We still love you Bunch, and miss you a bunch! Poor little Bunch won't miss you, one of the sorry selfish b... > If there is anyone out there who is in a similar situation and is torn > between having a cat declawed or having it put to sleep simply due to a > clawing habit do the right thing. Have the cat declawed so it can live > and enjoy life instead! You will never regret it. Enjoy ! the furniture shall be "as new" when you'll die ! ***************************************************************** Is it Bigjoe? Or BigJosephine? The tone and presentation of it seems to be that at hands of a woman rather that that of a man. You also made grammatical error. An indication that "all the lights in the house" might not be on. But we'll give it to you though "Bigjoe" because it is apparent from the way you write and what you have to say that you are pretty dim. Bunch is smiling down from heaven on us now. He is happy he had 14 years of life down here with my Mom, me and Kathy. Bunch is thankful that my mother rescued him from the middle of the road as a kitten. Bunch now waits for us patiently in heaven until Kathy and I fulfill our mortal lives. And, despite your greatest wishes, it doesn't look like Kathy and I am going to join him anytime soon. But there is hardly a day that passes that we don't think of "da Bunch". Hope that clarifies everything for you now. Come on back if you need any more straightening out. Ken (with Kathy giving me a hug and a kiss) <kathy_andor_ken@yahoo.com> wrote in message Ken (with Kathy giving me a hug and a kiss) That's because you just gave her $5. Imagine what you'll get for $10. The facts, for those who really care: http://maxshouse.com/facts_about_declawing.htm That is really disgusting of you to declaw a cat and use the excuse that you did so to save his life. This must be a troller here. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > I had to get Bunch declawed though so he would not tear up Kathy's and > my furniture. I know, that is kind of late in life to get a cat [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Ken > That is really disgusting of you to declaw a cat and use the excuse that you > did so to save his life. This must be a troller here. Probably. But trolls are great for facilitating the disclosure of a lot of information about the heinousness of declawing. Its kinda fun watching them defeat their own purpose while saving some cats from the inhumane amputations at the same time. If just one cat is sparred the horrible procedure as a result of a declawing flamewar- it would be well worth it. http://www.maxshouse.com/facts_about_declawing.htm http://www.declawing.com/ http://declaw.lisaviolet.com/ > > That is really disgusting of you to declaw a cat and use the excuse that > you [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > http://www.declawing.com/ > http://declaw.lisaviolet.com/ Thank god it's illegal here in England, I can't believe people would put their furniture before their pet, if you don't want your furniture scratched, don't get a bloody cat, get a goldfish. > > > That is really disgusting of you to declaw a cat and use the excuse that > > you [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > put their furniture before their pet, if you don't want your furniture > scratched, don't get a bloody cat, get a goldfish. How do the "death or declaw" subscribers explain the fact that our British friends and millions of other people around the world in countries where declawing isn't performed, unless its a medical emergency, manage to live in harmony with their fully clawed cats? Or do they think you live in shredded homes covered with festering scratch wounds??? This is one of the reasons why the declaw or death argument is ridiculous bordering on asinine. Ken and Kathy, I am glad you took the cat, instead of turfing her out on the street, but nothing you do or say can convince anyone that declawing is recognized all over the world as inhumane and unfair to the animal. It is widely proved and accepted by vets, not ordinary joes like ourselves, that declawing greatly reduces the animal's quality of life. And as declawing is widely accepted by vets, animal lovers, and animal educators, surely you must have known that to post a messgae about declawing, and purporting to love your cat, in a cat webisite full of cat activists, would start a flame war? Anybody smell troll? > Ken and Kathy, I am glad you took the cat, instead of turfing her out on the > street, but nothing you do or say can convince anyone that declawing is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > love your cat, in a cat webisite full of cat activists, would start a flame > war? Anybody smell troll? I smell troll every time it's brought up. > > Ken and Kathy, I am glad you took the cat, instead of turfing her out on the > > street, but nothing you do or say can convince anyone that declawing is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I smell troll every time it's brought up. well something stinks here anyway lol > if you don't want your furniture > scratched, don't get a bloody cat, get a goldfish. Then it might get wet! ;) SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > > if you don't want your furniture > > scratched, don't get a bloody cat, get a goldfish. > > Then it might get wet! ;) > -- Or they'd have to clean the fishbowl...nah, too busy polishing my furniture! > Web site: http://www.slywy.com/ > Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ > Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ ************************************************************************************************** 36. Cat Protector Sep 10, 1:56 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav, alt.animals.cat, alt.cats Subject: Re: Declawing saved my cat's life, giving him 7 more years and saving the furniture as well. That is really disgusting of you to declaw a cat and use the excuse that you did so to save his life. This must be a troller here. ************************************************************************************************** Everything stated was as it happened, so it was not a troll at all. Too bad you have problems with reality Cat Protector. Kathy AND Ken -- On 12 Sep 2005 13:24:30 -0700, wrote: >************************************************************************************************** >36. Cat Protector Sep 10, 1:56 pm show options [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Kathy AND Ken Kathy and Ken, Trolling is not allowed here. You have been reported. Katz, our posts are not trolls at all. We have correctly reported how declawing added 7 years to the life of Ken's mother's cat. You seem to be a dangerous person given your irrationality and delusions. You, as well as Phil, need to start going to a psychiatrist to talk about your control issues, irrationality and delusions. Kathy ***************************************************************************************************** >************************************************************************************************** >36. Cat Protector Sep 10, 1:56 pm show options >Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav, alt.animals.cat, alt.cats >Subject: Re: Declawing saved my cat's life, giving him 7 more years and >saving the furniture as well. >That is really disgusting of you to declaw a cat and use the excuse >that you >did so to save his life. This must be a troller here. >************************************************************************************************** >Everything stated was as it happened, so it was not a troll at all. >Too bad you have problems with reality Cat Protector. >Kathy AND Ken Kathy and Ken, Trolling is not allowed here. You have been reported. Reply >Katz, our posts are not trolls at all. It really doesn't matter. Either way you're serving my purpose. We have correctly reported how >declawing added 7 years to the life of Ken's mother's cat. Because otherwise *you* would have killed the cat. You didn't anything. The cat would live just as long- if not longer with someone who has the intelligence and common sense to teach the cat where to scratch. You declawed the cat to compensate for your ineptness and stupidity and not only betrayed the cat's trust, but "Ken's" mother's trust. You seem to >be a dangerous person given your irrationality and delusions. You're dangerous to animals given your level of stupidity and ineptness. http://www.maxshouse.com/facts_about_declawing.htm http://www.maxshouse.com/understanding_scratching.htm >Katz, our posts are not trolls at all. We have correctly reported how >declawing added 7 years to the life of Ken's mother's cat. You seem to You know, Kathy, there are parts of the world where girls have their clitoris removed at a young age. It suits the convenience of their owners. Does that make it right? Charlie
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