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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / October 2005Urgent, Frontline Q. for Kittens
I have got myself 4 little urchin throw-away kittens today. They are completely covered in fleas. About 10 weeks old. Problem is, I don't have any Advantage, and have called around, no friends have any on hand, and the vet is closed. One friend does have one vial of Frontline for dogs. Now, I already have read that it is the same formulation as the Frontline for cats, the only difference is the volume in the vial. After reading on it, though, it says plainly "Use on Dogs ONly Do not use on rabbits. Do not use on other animals." And I'm too afraid to use it now. Are there *different* kinds of Frontline now? The pack says, "Frontline Top Spot." Active ingredients: fipronil, 9.7%, inert ingredients, 90.3% I bathed them with Dawn dishwashing liquid and managed to drown, pick and squish a great number of the fleas. There are still live fleas on them, though. Can anyone advise me about using the Frontline. Sherry Hi Sherry, Wow, four more kitties? What a great Labor Day present! I can answer the question about the rabbit-warning. Frontline does kill rabbits. The rabbit-people petitioned the company for a long time to get that warning added. The rabbits would lick it off their coats, go into convulsions and die. The company claimed "improper use" for a long time, but sounds like they finally added the warning. I would guess they are now being careful about specifying animals because of that. But I honestly don't know if there is any difference between the cat and dog formulas. Maybe they have a website with the percentages? Rhonda > After reading on it, > though, it says plainly "Use on Dogs ONly Do not use on rabbits. Do not > use on other animals." And I'm too afraid to use it now. Are there > *different* kinds of Frontline now? > Hi Sherry, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Maybe they have a website with the percentages? Try this: <http://frontline.us.merial.com/products/sub6_topspot.asp>  SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ wrote: > I have got myself 4 little urchin throw-away kittens today. They are > completely covered in fleas. About 10 weeks old. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Sherry I have a package of Frontline Plus for Cats here. each vial is .017 fl. oz. or .50ml 9.8% fipronil 11.8% (S)-methoprene 78.4% inert ingrediants And it says it's intended for cats 8 weeks and older. You can go to a pet store or even a store like Wal Mart and buy Frontline for kittens (at pet stores) or Bio Spot. Gail >I have got myself 4 little urchin throw-away kittens today. They are > completely covered in fleas. About 10 weeks old. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Sherry > I have got myself 4 little urchin throw-away kittens today. They are > completely covered in fleas. About 10 weeks old. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > and squish a great number of the fleas. There are still live fleas on > them, though. Can anyone advise me about using the Frontline. I've used 0.05 ml (one drop) per pound of the Frontline Top Spot (not Plus) dog formulation on young kittens without any problems. I got this from a reliable source in the company. This is off-label of course. I've only used the blue and purple dog vials- I think the concentration is stronger in the red vials- not sure. Phil PS: I'll see your 4 and raise you 9! Is it my imagination or has this been an unusually long kitten season? > > I have got myself 4 little urchin throw-away kittens today. They are > > completely covered in fleas. About 10 weeks old. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > PS: I'll see your 4 and raise you 9! Is it my imagination or has this been > an unusually long kitten season? It was the regular Top Spot. I may have erred on the side of caution and not used enough of it. Guess we'll see if the fleas all die. I got most of the ones on the bodies of the kittens in the bath, but it was the ones around the head that were still alive. YES, kitten season is long here. By now it should have peaked and new litters started to dwindle. It's not dwindling, not at all. :-( Sherry > It was the regular Top Spot. I may have erred on the side of caution > and not used enough of it. Guess we'll see if the fleas all die. One drop is about 0.05 ml - so I don't think you gave them too little. I got > most of the ones on the bodies of the kittens in the bath, but it was > the ones around the head that were still alive. They probably migrated from the torso to the head when the torso got wet. I always do the head first with a washcloth so the fleas migrate to the torso and die in the bath. > YES, kitten season is long here. By now it should have peaked and new > litters started to dwindle. It's not dwindling, not at all. :-( This year has been terrible and it doesn't seem to be tapering. I'm very worry about a panleuk epidemic with all these kits. How's it been by you? Many kits are too young to vaccinate and I don't have a history for most of them. So we've been inoculating the very young ones with antisera from adults that have a high titers to panleuk. So far so good- not a single case- but a couple of fosters have had a few losses. The only problem with antisera is that the antibodies interfere with the vaccine the same way as maternally-derived antibodies- so I have to hold off on the vaccinations for a little longer. I can live with that because at least I know they're protected during their most vulnerable time. Don't get me wrong- I love kittens but dozens of them sure are nerve-racking and very time-consuming! I don't have time for trapping- and this month is a crucial time - neutered females need several weeks for their fur to grow back before the cold weather sets it. I gotta a feeling this winter is going to be a nightmare digging out shelters and feeding stations. ;-(((( Phil > PS: I'll see your 4 and raise you 9! Is it my imagination or has this been > an unusually long kitten season? Can I vent? Here are the circumstances. My son found these kittens in his front yard--he lives across from an elementary school. Two little girls came up and said, "Those are our kittens." Fine. They took them. In 5 minutes, here they came back with them and said, "Our mom took them away. She said they would find good homes by the school. She said we can keep the Mama cat." Now. I found out where they live, but I was unable to confront the idiot mother today. I was just too angry. I couldn't just go up and knock on their door. I'd have looked and acted like a rabid chihuahua. So I have collected myself, and tomorrow I am going over there and take an application for the *free* low-income spay/neuter program we're doing at the shelter. If their income doesn't qualify them I'll push it through anyway. If the woman doesn't take me seriously, I am telling her that dumping defenseless kittens is a felony according to the animal cruelty statutes in the STate of Oklahoma and I will see to it that she is charged with animal cruelty unless she lets me get that mama cat spayed. Ack. I'm getting worked up again just telling this. The nerve. Taking four flea-infested 10-week-old kittens and dumping them in front of an elementary school on purpose. Sherry > Ack. I'm getting worked up again just telling this. The nerve. Taking > four flea-infested 10-week-old kittens and dumping them in front of an > elementary school on purpose. I feel sorry for the kids . . . SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > > PS: I'll see your 4 and raise you 9! Is it my imagination or has this been > > an unusually long kitten season? [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > four flea-infested 10-week-old kittens and dumping them in front of an > elementary school on purpose. I have zero tolerance for people who dump helpless kittens. *Zero*. Remind me 2008 to tell you a story about an a.shole I caught dumping a litter of dehydrated, malnourished and flea-infested kittens on the side of a *highway*. When I saw how he put the box down- I knew what was in it. Suffice to say for now, he wished it was a cop that caught him that night. I'll never forget those kittens, and I *know* he won't forget them for the rest of his life either. The kittens were old enough to stand but couldn't- that's how bad their condition was. I had to rush them to AMC- they all needed transfusions and had to be tube-fed. They all would have been dead in another few hours- luckily they all survived. The a.shole dumped them in the right place at the right time- 1 minute later and I wouldn't have seen him dump them. The maximum penalties for abandoning cats may be severe in many states- but most people only get token sentences. I think the penalties for abandoning helpless kittens should be double the normal sentence and the a.sholes should get the maximum jail time and fine and ordered to work in a shelter for a year. Until then, I guess Bronx justice will have to suffice. Phil >I have got myself 4 little urchin throw-away kittens today. They are >completely covered in fleas. About 10 weeks old. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Sherry That frontline stuff is a pretty toxic insecticide. If one kitten chews on the other's neck, it might end up like a rabbit. Your best bet might be to clean the fleas manually with a flea comb, or repeat the bath. Charlie > >I have got myself 4 little urchin throw-away kittens today. They are > >completely covered in fleas. About 10 weeks old. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Charlie Yes, and I hate using any kind of insecticde on them, they are so little. The fleas around the head/ears/nose/eyes were just awful, and it started to look impossible to get them all manually. The poor things were already looking like flea anemia, and I just had to decide whether to take a chance on them dying from the fleas or using the Frontline. >> >I have got myself 4 little urchin throw-away kittens today. They are >> >completely covered in fleas. About 10 weeks old. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >whether to take a chance on them dying from the fleas or using the >Frontline. Sure, it's not easy to know what is best. It's good of you to take this on. I wouldn't show up on that lady's doorstep with the intention of confronting her, however. That could backfire. Charlie > >Yes, and I hate using any kind of insecticde on them, they are so > >little. The fleas around the head/ears/nose/eyes were just awful, and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Charlie Well, I've thought about that but I can't see I've got much choice. If I don't, that Mama cat is going to keep cranking out kittens, she's going to keep dumping them, and those little girls are going to grow up thinking that's how you're supposed to do. Believe me, I am nervous as a "cat in roomful of rocking chairs". I"ve got my business card and the spay/neuter application and am practicing my good Samaritan voice and going to try like hell to come off as just trying to let her know about this free neuter program. I'm also going to offer to transport the cat and just act like we do that for everybody. I'm just afraid she is going to say something stupid that will set me off, like "Oh, I don't want to have her spayed. She has such pretty kittens." Or "No, I'm not interested. She won't catch mice if she's spayed." Sherry >I'm just afraid she is going to say something stupid that will set me >off, like "Oh, I don't want to have her spayed. She has such pretty >kittens." Or "No, I'm not interested. She won't catch mice if she's >spayed." I think you should at least call her and schedule a meeting. I wouldn't go over there and knock on her door if you think you might lose your temper. But, it's none of my business Charlie >I have got myself 4 little urchin throw-away kittens today. They are >completely covered in fleas. About 10 weeks old. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Sherry You need to go to vet or pet supply store and get a good flea bath shampoo for them and a flea comb. Dawn will not kill the fleas. http://members.aol.com/larrystark/ http://members.aol.com/larrystark/strays.htm > You need to go to vet or pet supply store and get a good flea bath shampoo for them and a > flea comb. Dawn will not kill the fleas. Dawn does kill fleas, actually. I had a vet tech tell me about its use once, and have since read online about it. It just doesn't work as well as pesticides, for sure. (Maybe it just drowns them?) But it's relatively safe, as long as you're very careful to stay away from the eyes. The problem is, it's a holiday weekend and nothing was open. We are *very* far from a Petsmart or vet supply store. Sherry I think you are wonderful to care for these little kittens. Gail >> You need to go to vet or pet supply store and get a good flea bath >> shampoo for them and a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Sherry I found a 4 month old calico kitten last Wed. that walked out of a cornfield in the middle of nowhere. It followed me so I took it home, in the hopes of finding a permanent home for it. She had ear mites so I treated her ears and put some flea medication on the back of her neck. The next morning, I had to leave for school and so I put her in my backhall /garage area with food, water and a big comfy cushion. When I returned home several hours later, she was in compete convulsions. I was horrified and rushed her to the vet who tried valiantly to treat her for 3 hours. She just kept getting worse. The vet told me it was either distemper or a bad reaction to the medicine and that the convulsing would cause brain damage and/or blindness. The convulsions never let up...just kept getting worse! It broke my heart but we had to put her to sleep. I cried for hours. I've never been put in that position before. I cannot stop feeling guilt that I may have inadvertently been responsible. Has anyone had experience with this before? I have always had cats and never had a problem in the past with ear mite or flea meds. |
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