His picture is next to Block Sender in the OE manual.

W

Welcome to usenet. Why cross post your rant?

Sounds like a troll to me.

             

HOWEDY momar,

Naaah. That ain't what's botherin you.

You mean CENSOR The Amazing Puppy Wizard for
IDENTIFYING EXXXPOSING and DISCREDITING the
EXXXPERTS who sez you can HURT and INTIMIDATE
your dog, momar?

ISN'T THAT what's BOTHERIN you, kitty lover?

Because they only throw criminals and mental cases
who are child abusers like yourself, in prison.

Your happy little kat group seem to be mostly animal
abusers, momar.

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From: The Puppy Wizard (jho...@bellsouth.net)
Subject: Re: University Of Washington = And Don't You
Snip My Cross Psts, You Panderer.
Date: 2002-09-04 14:01:35 PST

HOWEDY chris,

That's what causes OCD behaviors and makes dogs
aggressive, chris. Just because you don't understand
behavior doesn't excuse or legitimize our veterinary
behaivorists from being ignorant, does it, chris?

Barking is among the EZiest behavior problems to break.
I can even do that automatically, and you know that's true.

I just told you, that's what causes serious behavior
problems, chris. All animal behavior problems are
caused by this sort of inappropriate and ineffective
crude ill thought mishandling.

Every dog that's destroyed for behavior problems is killed because
of this sort of idiocy, chris. It's because of idiots like these that
we've got people shocking dogs and spraying aversives in their
faces instead of training them properly, chris...

Their advice gets dogs DEAD and handlers bitten, chris.

Their advice is rank freakin amature bullshit that gets handlers
bitten and dogs DEAD chris.

They're pretty much a bunch of incompetent blowhards, chris.

I just told you, he's an incompetent idiot, chris. His principle
methods are bribery and avoidance.  He kills dogs he can't train.

That's what's on the WSU veterinary page. HSUSA and Delta
Society don't got no better advice, in fact, much of it is worse.

Our experts are HELPING them get there...

I'll go through the article and point out the dangerous
and ineffective methods and explain HOWE COME they're
CONTRAWISE, chris. I'll be GLAD to do likewise for any
other behavior information you might be interested in
ANAL-yzing;

After reviewing several of the pages on behaviorISM
from the WSU website, Your Puppy Wizard has determined
they've got no goddamned business giving us behavioral advice.

If you've been unfortunate enough to have paid them your
hard earned dough, I recommend you SUE THE BASTARDS
and get it back. I'll help.

Write Your Puppy Wizard for terms. <}YPW;~) >

===========>   Preventing Canine Excessive Barking Behavior

Since barking is a normal behavior Like biting, crappin
on the floor, digging holes, jumping fences, eating poo,
and licking anti-freeze, professors?

BECAUSE?

So, pretty much we can do as much as we like, to
modify behaviors... Isn't that correct, professors?

That's CONtraWISE, professors. Dogs bark for reasons. If
the dog barks, that means he needs attention. Telling the
dog GOOD BOY! tells the dog his bark has been acknowledged,
and your immediate attention is forthcoming... professors:

"Estel J. Hines" <ejhi...@comcast.net wrote in message news:
w86dna9lBfNZgbTdRVn...@comcast.com...

Until i read the Jerry method of Bark reduction, it went something like

this with our 11 month old puppy "Yoshi"

Yoshi: Bark, bark,

us: HUSH Youshi

Yoshi Bark, bark......................

us: Hush Youshi

Yoshi BARK, BARK, BARK, ..............................­...

it stopped when Yoshi got tired barking

We decided to try the Jerry method

Yoshi: BARK, BARK

US: GOOD Yoshi, Good Boy, who is it?

Yoshi Bark, Bark

US: It's ok, good boy Yoshi, We know them.

Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that.
I must say, it is so much more fun, when we can
praise him, to deal with things like this.

Thanks Jerry ps: We are just starting to go thru
the Jerry Papers, and learn how to live with our
son "Yoshi", whom we love very much. --

Best Regards, Estel J. Hines

==========="Brandy Kurtz" <KraftyKur...@wmconnect.com wrote in message
news:
2f66e35d.0407302331.1f18b__BEGIN_MASK_n#9g02mG7!__...__END_MASK_i?a63jfAD$z__@posting.google.com...

Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy Wizard
info, so I haven't actually started to train yet.

Today a salesman knocked on the door, and Pokey was
going balisstic. I calmly go to the window to see
who it is, and off-handly say Good Boy, It's a
stranger, Good Boy. Pokey shut right up, gave me a
quizical look, and came and sat beside my feet!

OMG, I could not believe it!

I was totally floored, as this has been his behavior
since a pup. Just wanted to update, and Pokey and I
are hitting the sack...;)

Brandy

"Dan Moore" <mooret...@worldnet.att.net
wrote in message news:
fS2Lc.114567$OB3.42...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.at­t.net. ..

Tracy,

What worked for me, in just one storm, was
to praise the dog after each clap of thunder,
telling him he's a Good Dog!

This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW.

The next time it thundered, he did not even react
at all--you could not tell it was the same dog as
before.

There was more thunder just the other day, and
same thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no cowering,
whimpering, trying to hide at all, it was that
simple.

I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might seem
to be a "wild and crazy" character, but his non-
abusive way of handling dogs WORKS.

Wonderfully.

Praise.

It's that simple.

Juanita

Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
Hello.

I never posted here (or anywhere) before. I
never trained or owned a dog before this year.

I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.

Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.

I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.

I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.

A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.

We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he isvery eager to accept our love.

So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.

His method worked for us.

I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.

Florence
------------------------------­------

Touching or treating dogs distracts them too far from the IDEA of
what we're trying to train. Bribing and touching dogs engaged in
inappropriate behaviors often rewards and reinforces those
inappropriate behaviors.

Yeah. There's a specific way HOWE to break barking behavior
using praise only. It's all in your FREE copy of my FREE Wits'
End Dog Training Method manual:

It's moore than a chapter, it's a comprehensive,
total, complete, gestalt method to train all animals
to any level you desire.

Excellent.

My methods work faster than any others, anywhere at
any price, including the thirty five level of medical grade
static like stimulation devices and pronged spiked pinch
choke collars our "experts" here love so much.

Good. Crates aren't inherently bad, only the way they're
misused.

Good. I've got a lot in common with folks who are gentle
and treat animals kindly.

You mean the sound distraction and praise techniques.

Yes, one of my students Paul B wrote an excellent post
recently I'll include it at the bottom. It'll explain HOWE the
distraction and praise process works from his POV as an
experience handler using my methods.

Why? That should be spontaneous and in association
with every glance towards you and every thought.

Oh. Patting is O.K., only not in conjunction with a
thought or command, as it will interrupt the thought
process and may lock the dog's thoughts on an
inappropriate idea.

It's called positive thigmotaxis, the opposition reflex.
Like if we're walking our dog and want to prevent him
from interacting with another dog, and we pull back
on the collar, that often triggers the dog to go out of
control.

As long as there's contact on the collar, the dog will
continue his original thoughts about interacting with
the passerby. Then because the dog is out of control,
the handler needs to further force restraint, making
communication with the dog's MIND, impossible.

Any time your dog is close enough to be patted is
fine to pat him, as long as we're not working with a
command or thought we want him to process.

Yes, it's caused quite a stir here. If my methods are as
effective and fast and safe as I claim and my students
confirm, that pretty much means that all of my critics
are DEAD WRONG, and all's that's left  for me to
do is shovel some dirt over them over and let 'em push
up daisies.

=======================> To reduce your dog's barking,

You mean instead of EXTINGUISHING it, professors?

I've never done that. I don't see any point in it.

Not to me.

Right. When you ask.

"The IMBECILITY of some ofthe claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
were moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and
learning immediately deteriorated."

When you've asked him to bark, he'll probably stop when you
tell him, if you've trained the command properly. HOWEver
professors, when the dog barks on his own, he's ALERTING
the handler or pack there's something that needs attention.

Telling the dog NOT to bark when he's telling you he needs your
attention, will INCREASE the barking, to make the message clear.

FERSTAICH?

YEAH? Hasn't worked for nobody here, they all use shock
and aversive spray collars, even Binaca sprayed in the eyes.

Right. That's the key word, acceptable. HOWE about when
the dog barks cause he's SCARED?

Yeah... instead of just EXTINGUISHING the barking in a few
minutes using the scientific and psychological non force, non
confrontational techniques taught in your FREE copy of my
FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual...

Yeah. Except when we're screaming NO into its face for
5 seconds while scruff shaking IT to teach IT to be gentle
and respectful and trusting, as our professor of ANAL-ytic
behaviorISM from UofWI lying doc SCRUFF SHAKE dermer
recommends.

Good. That's where we came in...

Excellent!

No. That's going to put us into confrontation
with the dog if he doesn't want to be quiet.

Think allelomimetic behavior, professors.

Sounds to me like you're lying, makin it up,
or just plain freakin CONFOUNDED, professors.

Right. That was way back when we was training.

That was THEN, and THIS is NOW.

NOW, WE'RE BEYOND TRAINING, WE'RE INTIMIDATING,
aren't we, professors.

You mean intimidate the dog to teach him
CONFIDENCE and TRUST, professors.

Touching the dog or treating the dog will distract the dog
from the lesson. That's HOWE COME you professors cannot
EXTINGUISH the behavior because you distract the dog too
far from the behavior... if you're able to interrupt the
behavior at all.

You mean AFTER THE FACT.

The dog is barking for a reason. Restricting the barking is
not going to relieve the reason the dog is barking, nor will
it modify the desire to do so... will it, professors.

IN FACT, it'll make him OPPOSITINAL and FEAR AGGRESSIVE.

That's BEGGING to GET BIT, and then you'll KILL
the dog, TO BE FAIR, professors.

We KNOW touching the dog while he's thinking
of a behavior will lock the dog's thought on
the behavior we're trying to interrupt.

HOWE much of the time? What percentage of our dogs will
this crap method actually be successful?

When we FORCE a behavior, the behavior usually changes
to OTHER, often worse, seemingly non related behaviors.

LIKE SILENT AGGRESSION, professors.

Nevyn" <ali...@wasp.net.au> wrote in message
news:fde575d9.0209090337.34fb7ee2@posting.google.com...

Hi There Jerry

Its Nevyn. Sorry Ive not been posting, but these lying
scum buckets like Alphuck Sweeny and such really
piss me off; And Ive been working weekend work at
the tracks with the greyhounds (thanks to you!).

Well my dogs are the envy of all on my street. I can
have them out in the yard with me, take them walking
without a leash, they will do any command with no
hesitation. And they don't bark anymore! Thanks to
your machine!

Oh yeah, I loaned your machine to several friends
and family -- Here are some reports:

"I would say my dogs are well trained, but they suffer
severe anxiety when no body is home. This machine
quietened them almost instantly - still they barked,
in the beginning, but just one or two barks. Then
slowly they just stopped... beginning to bark, then
instantly stopping.

It took only 2 weeks, and we did nothing.

Truly amazing;

I have recommomeded it to my family, and perhaps
they will buy one. Its a shame you don't sell them publicly".
-- Kylie, 30, on dogs Lili (11 yr mutt bitch) and Sheeba (4 yr
Rotty X)

"My two dogs barked insanely when someone would
go past. With this little machine they quietened right
down, and even became partly obedient, and we did
nothing!

Great stuff.

We ran it only on the lowest setting, too!"
- Ed, 65, on his two male Dobermans, 5 yrs old.

Well I have some more, and am collecting more,
but I only have one machine so its a slow process.
Once again I say thankyou Jerry! My family was
on the verge of giving them up! :(

But no longer :)

===================> so it may as well do it itself.

Your Puppy Wizard disagrees. In the event of a disagreement,
Your Puppy Wizard wins by default, because Your Puppy Wizard
is never wrong about behavior:

From: aimee (newsgro...@twolemons.com)
Subject: doggie do right
Date: 2002-08-01 06:57:15 PST

doggie do right rocks!!

We were sent one of these fantastic machines 5 months
ago to see if it would help with our rambunctious mutts.
The doggy do right has done more than just work...it
has worked miracles!

Our pair of noisier than freight-train doggies were barking
so loud at our neighbours and passers by that we were just
about ready to find them new homes.  But within just two
months of using the Doggy Do Right they were nice and
quiet and stopped barking at the neighbours.

They did relapse a little when their owner went away,
but we started the program again and within days
they were both quiet and obedient once more.

Our doggies have now not barked unnecessarily
for over 2 months.

Thanks Jerry!  You have made my dreams come true!

Aimee.

HOWEDY Group,

Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had
using JERRY'S MANUAL

1) My dogz, two bitches - Vicious, barking, aggressive,
pulled on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought
between each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual,
they were calm, friends, my companions.

2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment I
dropped him by their noses.

3) My FRIENDS dogs  2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!

Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !

4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!

5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON  A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !

Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull coloured
dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their
hairs coloured up amazingly.

6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!

BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!

Nevyn

As per our professor lying doc SCRUFF SHAKE dermer's DRO.

Because you don't have effective methods to
break the behavior and any lapses in training
will set the training back to square one and
worse, it's called VARIABLY REINFORCING FAILURE.

And likeWIZE, that ONLY HAPPENS when you USE FORCE.
Using NON PHYSICAL methods there's NO FEAR or FORCE
so we don't have to worry about the dog "GETTING AWAY"
with lapses duing the conditioning period which ONLY
TAKES MINUTES anyway if we PRAISE the dog.

Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson,
Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH
Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive
Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.

Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The
Scientific Management Of Doggies. <{) ; ~ ) >

It hasn't worked for our dog lovers, or they wouldn't NEED
to shock and spray aversives in their faces and kill the dogs
that crap makes aggressive, like "interested in hearing" and
"my Golden Retriever bit the UPS driver" and made Cubbe
snap at the child in "1 step forward," FOR EXAMPLE.

That's preposterous. Our expert behaviorists can't train
dogs so they recommend excessive exercise to control
their behaviors, when they're not locking the dog in a box.

DOGS BARK AS AN ANXIETY RELIEF MECHANISM, OR FEAR.

You mean a tired dog is a good dog? That doesn't modify behaviors.
When the excessive exercise routine is interrupted for reasons beyond
your control, the behaviors come back fueled with a vengeance of
the EXERCISE GORILLA, just as an addict craves narcotic, the dog
will crave the daily release of enodomorphins... 100 times stronger
than heroin.

Traditional obedience training often makes dogs MOORE anxious.

That's not typical of the results we see here. Many dogs come
out of obedience classes BITING THEIR HANDLERS and
AGGRESSING on other dogs, as we've seen from Cubbe, Madigan
Macula, carol levie's dog, suja's dog, the three year old cocker
owned by a retired school teacher who was 3rd in his class of
100 at the obedience club, Summer, Fritz, Usal, and countless other
dogs we've seen GET DEAD right in front of our eyes on our forum.

Macula has been through three or four classes and is now
having both dog and human aggression problems. They've
now been in clicker training for two months, like Cubbe.

Aren't you getting tired of the same crap, PEOPLE?

 ========= BWWWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! ======> Barking is a normal behavior for dogs.

Dunbar I; Bohnekamp G: Barking Behavior Booklet,
Center for Applied Behavior, 1986.

Campbell WE: Problem Behavior in Dog - Excessive
Barking, Modern Vet Practice, 54:73-75, 1973.

Hart BL: Canine Behavior, Canine Practice, 5(1):8-10, 1978.

For further information please contact:

The Behavior Service
509-335-1589
behav...@cvm.vetmed.wsu.edu

Produced by the Student Chapter of the American
Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior

Contact us: Webmaster |  509-335-9515 | Accessibility
Copyright | Policies College of Veterinary Medicine,
Washington State University, Pullman, WA, 99164-7010 USA
Copyright 1995-2001 Washington State University
Revised October 23, 2001

===============Now get the heel outta here.

Your Puppy Wizard. <J:-}

========Úve Cohen <coh...@total.net writes:

Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...

Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have
spoken with him briefly once by email.

I have no stake or interest in the success of his
business. I simply want to thank him publicly for one
of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety.

I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed
animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but
I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it.
Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked!

I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic. Thank you Jerry!

==================All Jerry's FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual students
are very pleased with their dog's perfect behaviors. It's not a
coincidence that all my students tell us my methods INSTANTLY
CURED behavior problems like separation anxiety, barking,
HOWELING. Broke HOWELING in ONE very clever distraction
just the other day.

I'll share it with you. The young lady is a pianist. Her dog gets
bored before her practice session is over, and anounces she's
ready to boogaloo on outta there by barking and HOWELING at
her. So I told her as soon as she starts HOWELING to just close
up the piano like you was finishing the session.

Then stand up and go to the music and flip through for a few
moments lookin for exactly the right piece you want. Then
return to open up a new session.

Time the amount of time from begining of each session and
close up payin just before the time elapsed in the first session
approaches, to interrupt the forthcomin attack of HOWELING.

Since the dog ordinarily waits thirty minutes before gettin antsy,
the brief interruption allows the dog's thought to be futzed up
so she thinks of it as a NEW session and will chill out for another
almost half hour.

Broke the habit in ONE instance.

Anthony Testa cured his destructive separation anxiety dog in
under three days... kinda like Valerie did with her aggressive
Dal and Ben + Darwin got come down pat in just a few reps he
sez and got him to spit out his retrieve article the first time he
asks. I think that was ONE DAY of EZ work.

I've got LOTS of student testimonials of instant and near instant
total CURES, like Marilyn got with her destructive SA dog. ONE
INSTANCE using my Surrogate Toy Separation Anxiety Technique
did the trick for her student. NO WONDER your pal professor lying
doc SCRUFF SHAKE dermer KILLFILED marilyn, a trainer of thirty
sumpthin years experience for reporting my methods worked for her
difficultdog just as Jerry GUARANTEES.

That musta been cause he was just splainin to sindy "don't let
the dog scream, cover its muzzle and tell it not to be such a
moaner" mooron HOWE COME my methods are ridiculous and
won't work. Then you must remember Dr Z, the pediatrician who
uses a variation of my technique for his children at bedtime. And
of course David Cohen sez the SASTT worked instantly on his
dog too... and lots moore.

And of course Misty trained her dog to perimiter in just a
few minutes over a couple of days as did Paul stop his
dogs of eatin kat food and stuff like escaping his fence.

You gotta be a idiot if you don't believe all these people
most of whom I never heard of til they posted their results
here for YOU to read.

==============> Hi, Jerry.

===============Friday, 5/31/02:

HOWEDY Valerie,

Nice goin.

========Val writes Monday, 6/3/02:

Well, for what it's worth, I am praising without physical
contact and she does seem to listen better than when I
would praise with it.  I agree that it is a distraction.

Anyway, no more aggressive behaviors from her since I
started the Witts End.

=====================From: BNTDO...@aol.com
To: jho...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: THANKS ALISON! - "Owners Should Always

Be Given The Cold, Hard Facts: They Should NEVER FEEL
GUILTY For Having An Aggressive Dog Euthanized."

Dear Jerry,

It's Kay here. I don't know who these people
are that maligning you and your training manual
but tell them from me that it does work.

Hunter is just doing so well even the people who
advocated putting him down are impressed with him.

I even started using it with the neighbor's dog.
I went over there to help her cut his nails. She
started yelling at him for growling at me.

I told her to tell him what a good boy he is instead.
Lo and behold he stopped growling and I could do his
nails. All 4 feet.

My dog Hunter was trained with the old jerk and pull
method and my other dog was trained with treats. Hunter
has gotten his enthusiasm back for his training and I
couldn't be more pleased.

He even tried to kiss a child the other day. Major
break through.

This is the dog that a few months ago tried to eat the
kids through the fence. I can now take him in the car
with me again without him trying to chase cars through
the windshield.

So Jerry tell these people that the first
rule of dog training is Do No Harm.

The 2nd rule is whatever works without breaking the first rule.

Aggressive dogs don't need to be put down.

Hunter was diagnosed aggressive and he is going
to stay alive and by my side where he belongs.

Thank you so much.

Kay

==========="The (FREE WEDT jh) manual I do find valuable.
Much of it I recognize as what I've always done
without thinking of it as "training".  New stuff,
I've used. His anchoring technique erased the last
of Mac's fireworks trauma," Chris Williams.

From: Chris Williams (k9ap...@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
Date: 2002-03-26 08:16:19 PST

 Engrossing account, Anthony. Our best
to Angel and your family.

      A friend, who socializes the kittens
I've takenfrom a feral cat colony, is using
the DDR.

      She reports far fewer panic problems
than she's had before.

 Thanks Tricia9999, that was an interesting read!
 Course my little gray box seems to be working...
 Buddy stopped biting the baby!  No negative side-
 effects seen occurring...not to the bird, the
 other bird or Zelda. ~misty

=========From: "Regina Guerrero" <>
To: <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:42 AM
Subject: Thank You!

=============> From: "N  <>

================Nevyn writes:

Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive
had with your training manual! My two mutts have gone
from out-of-control psychos to obedient well behaved
companions within a matter of weeks! AND My friends
have seen the success and have asked me to work on
their dogs!

I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today
and she was being an angel after like an hour of working
with her!

It is AMAZING!! I pity those fools who take their
dogs to classes where the "Trainers" abuse their
dogs! (do they have a degree? A masters? a Phd?
by the way? NO they are average joes off the street
who think they know how to train dogs!)

Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!

NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.

==============Never give out your password or credit card number in an
instant message conversation.

Nevyn says:
hello Jerry.

Jerry says:
HOWEDY Nevyn

Nevyn says:
How are you?

Jerry says:
sup?

Nevyn says:
Oh nothing

Nevyn says:
My dogs are alot better now!

Jerry says:
fine

Jerry says:
tell me

Nevyn says:
I can walk them on or off the leash and
they don't give a #@% about other dogs

Jerry says:
naah

Nevyn says:
I can let them inside and they wont eat the cats

Jerry says:
naah

Nevyn says:
Yup

Jerry says:
what did you do, buy a shock collar?

Nevyn says:
No

Nevyn says:
Praised them

Jerry says:
ahh!

Jerry says:
you think they're 100% better

Nevyn says:
'cept they still bark at the neighbour
but only coz he swears at them and pours
water on them

Nevyn says:
nahh they still have stinky breath!

Nevyn says:
muahaha

Jerry says:
ok

Jerry says:
I'll go for that

Jerry says:
it'll take a couple more days to break
the neighbor thing if you're consistent

Jerry says:
then he won't swear and throw water at them

Nevyn says:
yeah but he's only out on the weekends

Jerry says:
but they'll still have stinky breath

Nevyn says:
muahahaha

Jerry says:
you gonna write the group and
tell them they're suckin hind teat?

Nevyn says:
eh

Nevyn says:
nah

Nevyn says:
cant

Nevyn says:
my news server isn't workin

Nevyn says:
how about u just screenshot or copy this chat and post it

Jerry says: why not.

Nevyn says:
sorry been tryin all day to get on the news server

Jerry says:
you got anything you'd like to tell the dog
lovers who would prefer to see you choke and
shock and lock your dogs in a box?

Jerry says:
I guess you don't want to tell them nuthin
that they don't already know, huh?

Nevyn says:
hah

Nevyn says:
tell them they're f.ckers who need to die

Nevyn says:
dogs aren't for abusing they are for
loving they love so much

Jerry says:
that's HOWE COME they got me now

Jerry says:
howe much training time did it take for the two of 'em?

Nevyn says:
pfftt

Nevyn says:
it didn't even seem like training

Nevyn says:
its been 24 days since I got your manual

Jerry says:
pfffttt!!!!

Jerry says:
hhahahahaha

Jerry says:
have you got that feeling that they're in tune
with EVERYTHING you're wanting them to do?

Jerry says:
I forgot what city you're in.

Jerry says:
maybe if you're near alphalpha sweeny you
can swing by and LAUGH your a.s off at him
growling at his dogs???

Jerry says:
BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

Nevyn says:
LOL

Nevyn says:
I'm in Perth, Australia!

Nevyn says:
and yes they do seem to be in tune

===================Nevyn says:
oh!! the other day my dogs went into submissive position when a
tiny little toy poodle came up barking at them! !LOL

Jerry says:
EXCELLENT!

Nevyn says:
lol

Jerry says:
they knew they didn't need to fight, cause everything was in
your expert control.

Keep up the good work. j;~)

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From: Nevyn (ali...@wasp.net.au)
Subject: Newsgroups: rec. pets. dogs. behavior
View this article only
Date: 2002-03-01 03:15:50 PST

Hello

I have two mungrel females; the breeds exactly are Blue Heeler
(spots) x Kelpi (dominant genes) x American Pitbull (behavioural) x Pug

(don't laugh!).

They are gentle loving dogs when I'm at home with them, and they are
friendly with unknown people. They are sisters. One is obviously
dominant over the other, and I don't have a problem with that,
however;

Their behaviour is very odd. Some days they are very good whilst I'm
walking them, some days they are not. They are 3 years old and have
only been walking for about 12 months because my mom didn't walk them
and now I'm home so I walk them for about an hour and half every
afternoon. I take them to the park where they chase birds and swim in
the lake.

This is my problem :

The less-dominant dog viscously barks at every other dog we walk
past; I have tried using a stick and giving her a tap when she does it,

and treating her with treats when she doesn't, using a choke chain, a
muzzle and a thing that sprays stuff in her mouth when she barks.

She won't stop! Does anyone know how I can stop her? ]

Also, the more-dominant dog seems to know this is WRONG, when the
other dog barks, she doesn't bark, but she nips at the other dog as if
telling her to cut it out, and then the barking one attacks the
more-dominant one and they fight on the leash... it is quite
disturbing to the people walking past.

And also the more-dominant one is okay around other
dogs... SOMETIMES... sometimes she completely ignores them, and yet
other times she will attack them, like yesterday. The less dominant
one I must keep on a leash if a person brings there dog to the park.

How do I stop them attacking other dogs? I have tried all the methods
I have used above for 10 months every afternoon. Is it just a pac
k-behaviour thing?

It can really be quite embarrassing when your dogs attack some old
lady's or little girl's dog.

They are good dogs, when at home or when there are no other dogs
around. Today there were hundreds of sparrows flying around the park
and they were chasing them and jumping up trying to catch them for
more than 90 minutes (They went straight to bed when I bought them
home!). Can anyone help me? Email me at my emails address,
ali...@wasp.net.au coz this list is tooo crowded.

Thanks,
Nevyn

=====================<"Terri"@cyberhighway

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog
into good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that
hide behind fake names are more honest than people that
use their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante
dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey
(lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than
those that have studied and lived by their craft for
decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

=============And I can train animals AUTOMATICALLY from
500 feet away,  maybe up to a half mile.

    A non dog owner writes:

    Dear Jerry-

    I just wanted to let you know how wonderful your Doggy Do
    Right product is. I was skeptical at first, but have been
    tremendously pleased.

    As you know, we had a neighbor's dog that was extremely
    bothersome, at times barking loudly for 3 hours straight.
    Within a few days, the barking decreased, and now it is just
    the occasional bark. this dog lives approximately 500 feet
    away, and even at that distance, the machine has done
    wonders.

    You were always available and patient to answer my
    questions, and now I can be in my own home without going
    nuts from the barking. As an added pleasure, all the other
    minor barking nuisances in the neighborhood have stopped
    as well.

    Quiet is wonderful! Thank you.

    Pam Graves

Your Puppy Wizard. <}YPW;~) >