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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / September 2005Help: *FEMALE* cat spraying!!
Sorry if you've received the message below in bits and parts...my news server has been screwed up for a while. Below follows my post IN FULL so please read if you care to respond...thanks!!! Hello all!! I've read most, if not all, of the recent posts regarding spraying and have digested the information about Felliway and behavioral modification drug use, however, all the suggestions seem to involve male cats. Well, I have a 6-year old FEMALE sprayer!!! Lucky us!! :-)) I was wondering if anyone might have some *female*-cat-specific suggestions, similar situations or success stories they could share??!! Any other suggestions besides what I've read?? Perhaps *female* spraying issues might have suggestions other than what I've recently read. THANKS for your time!! Let me give some background if I could... I have 4 cats, ALL female. Two oldest ones are sisters (same litter, age 6 1/2). Those two moved with my girlfriend and I from NJ to FL in August 2000. While in Florida, we got our third cat who is now 3 1/2 and then our fourth cat who is now 2 1/2. After all the new-smell introductions, hissing and dominance indications, everyone really gets along well. We often wake up with all four on the bed!! Anyway, all are spayed and healthy. Our move from NJ to FL in August 2000 was to an apartment for a year where there was NO spraying. Our second move from the apartment to a townhouse was when the spraying started in December 2001. We took her to the vet and it does NOT seem to be a medical problem but more behavorial. Also doesn't seem to have to do with a litter box problem either as she tends to spray *targets*--an empty box, mat, jacket mistakenly left on the floor, papers on a table. We think the problem stems from a combination of (1) looooong introduction of our fourth cat to the house and (2) the fact that the previous owners had a cat in the town house. The fourth cat was quarantined for a good few months in her own bedroom prior to being introduced to the rest of the cats and we think that such a long time went by without the older cat knowing the source of the "new smell" in the house that she started marking territory as a dominance move and never really kicked the habit. Also, I think the prior-owner's cat smells were still in the house and might have been a bit threatening, especially coupled with the 4th cat :-(( We've been in our CURRENT house since August 2002. The new home is VERY clean from a human standpoint but I know they owned 3 long-haireds (and a puppy for about a month). We've tried reprimand and Felliway previously (when the problem was first noticed in Dec 2001) and, for the past few months have been using "Clomicalm" (aka Clomipramine...more often used with dogs but used with cats as well!) The first suggested dose of Clomicalm stopped the spraying but really basically KNOCKED her out :-( So we gradually lowered the dose to what controlled the spraying but made her more "normal". We had hoped to ween her off the Clomicalm TOTALLY but, when we did, spraying started again so we put her back on the low dose that was working. Now, however, it seems she might be getting either "used to" the medication or, as the Vet has indicated, used to the FEELING of the medication in that she realizes, "Oh this is how I feel normally (on my medication) so, not that I'm used to it, I'll start spraying again!!" Wish I could talk cat to see what her problem is!!! :-)) Anyway, I was wondering if anyone might have some *female*-cat-specific suggestions, similar situations or success stories they could share??!! Any other suggestions besides what I've read?? Vet suggested upping the dose of climicalm for the next couple weeks to see if that controls the spraying again so that's where we're at. Thanks again for reading!! Scott  SignaturePLEASE remove the "NOSPAM" from my email to reply....thanks!! Is this cat spayed? SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > Sorry if you've received the message below in bits and parts...my news > server has been screwed up for a while. Below follows my post IN FULL [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > Scott HOWEDY kat protector, > Is this cat spayed? Thank Odin we got KAT PROTECTORS to recommend surgically sexually mutilating fearful kats to CURE their FEAR OF BEING HURT. > -- > Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! > www.catgalaxymedia.com Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue writes: I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it has helped my dogs and cats. I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior problems. I am in Feral CatNetwork (we spay and neuter approximately 100 feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president of Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County manager, head of animal control, director of two different shelters, etc.). Thanks, Elaine, Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue writes: Sep 9, 2000 "I ordered from Jerry a long time ago.. He was helpful and the order was filled promptly. Yes, Doggie Do Right does indeed exist. I "had" a very aggressive female Pit.. She was showing aggression not only towards Dok, Rhodesian Ridgeback, but our cats and even us. She now plays with Dok, even to the point of allowing him to take a toy or bone from her. She no longer shows any aggression towards us. She is showing some aggression towards the cats but that is down to a warning growl. It is not just my opinion that all this aggression existed before Doggie Do Right as we were advised by three vets to euthanize her. Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue, Melbourne, FL Hi Jerry, I wrote to you a week or so ago about the unit. I have since borrowed one from Elaine Mc Clung. She speaks very highly of it. So, I brought it home and plugged it in. Of course, I wanted it to come on, all the barking stop, and have every one immediately fall to the floor in little comas for a few hours. Well, after I got all 27 of them to be quiet, still no comas. But, it had only been 36 seconds at that point. So, I gave it a little longer. Still no comas. Was this really going to work? I mean, I do have an unusual situation. So, by bedtime, a few hours later. I started to notice just how many were asleep already - with their feet in the air! I started to have hope. During the night, all was calm. In the morning when I got up, only a few of them WALKED quietly to the door to go out. Not the usual evacuation. I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until Tuesday Morning. I was certainly pleased with the night effect. I wasn't so sure about the amount of the day time effect. Until I took it back. Within half an hour, the monsters had resurfaced. I wondered if I could break into Elaine's house and if she would notice :) I know another person who does dog rescue. She rescues Beagles. She has 23 in an 1100 square foot house. God bless her. She is interested to see if it will work for her. I also spoke to someone else who does cat rescue, and she is interested. The cat rescue people have monthly meetings. Maybe Elaine could give a word or two about it. So, if there are any words of advice you can send my way about the best way to use it in my case, I would appreciate it. I of course wanted to keep it on the highest setting, but don't know if that is advised, even with my situation of so many new ones coming and (too few) going. Also, how I and others can go about getting one, etc. I think the vets should have the info in their offices. It must help dogs with separation anxiety. My vet practices homeopathic as well as traditional medicine, so I would think it would be right up her alley. Thank you Desiree M Webber A New Leash On Life Hi Jerry, (update 10/31/00) Teddy, my friend, with the very alpha male Siamese cat reports all is well. She has been running DDR for well over a week now and JR has not beaten up on any of the other cats. Gillie the smallest female cat was living in the bathroom and JR was attacking her every day. Teddy forgot to close the bathroom door the second day she had the DDR and came home to good news "no hair all over the room." Now she is leaving the bathroom door open all the time and JR has not attacked Gillie. Gillie used to be able to sleep with Teddy on the bed but JR got soooo....bad he would almost maul her if she came into the bedroom. Teddy told me that yesterday Gillie came into the bedroom and JR just looked at her and ignored her. Teddy is so grateful as she was considering putting JR outside or having him euthanized. Will update you in another week or so. Thanks, Elaine Apr 25, 05:59 PM Margaret Hoffman Message 1 of 19 Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe I just recently looked at this newsgroup and I found it incredible. I do have a Doggy Do Right and have had it for about one year. It truly does work - at least on my Dobe, Chelsea. Chelsea was the unhappy recipient of several failed attempts at obedience training, both in a "class" environment and with a personal trainer. She is very high spirited and strong and, unfortunately, spoiled, since we are an older couple who doted on our dog. We were lucky enough to find Jerry Howe and to not only buy a Doggy Do Right, but to also have him personally work with Chelsea. His methods are wonderful and effective. Chelsea is not a dog that you will bully, and I wouldn't dream of hurting her. After Jerry spent time with her, she no longer jumped on furniture, ate food off the counter, pulled me incessantly on the leash. She is calmer and we are all happier. Well, it is a very long story and I won't bore you with all the details, but suffice it to say that Jerry Howe saved the day for our dog and for us. Marge Hoffman P.S. You can send me the reward money, but I won't sell you my DDR! Hi Jerry, Well, we have been running Doggy Do Right for awhile (3 weeks) now and would appear that it is working. We are still on the lowest setting but my cat aggressive dog is now much calmer with the little fur balls getting near her. Not perfect but much improved! I do think that you need a more universal name as it appears to have drastically cut the spraying problem down that we have with our crowded cat situation. I am going to send an e-mail to Domesti-Cats club, Feral Cat Network and Space Cats Club as a lot of the members have some of the same problems with their cats. It has also lessened the number of nightly cat fights. Thanks, Elaine Hi, Lowest setting to us is when the machine is on the least number of times during the day. We are going to try putting it on the next setting and see if that will completely solve our problems. We are holding our breath at this point on the spraying and hoping that BIOSOUND continues to work. Will let you know. Yes, feel free to use my post. If you sell to people with cat spray problems though you might want to recommend that they do what we did. We went through the house with BacTerminator an enzyme product that eats the cat urine. We have used Bac T. for a long time and it usually only slows them down for a week or two, so I know it is the BIOSOUND that has created the success we are seeing right now. We were resigned to constant cleaning and even then it was difficult to keep up with. I don't know if you have forgotten but we have 19 cats. Elaine. > Is this cat spayed? Yes, ALL the cats are spayed! S SignaturePLEASE remove the "NOSPAM" from my email to reply....thanks!! HOWEDY Scott, > Hello all!! > > I've read most, if not all, of the recent posts regarding spraying Well then, you KNOW that ALL temperament and behavior problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. > and have digested the information Yet you continue to whip a DEAD HORSE. > about Felliway and behavioral modification drug use, NUTHIN will WORK if you don't STOP MISHANDLING. > however, all the suggestions seem to involve male cats. That's IRRELEVENT. > Well, I have a 6-year old FEMALE sprayer!!! You have a very disturbed kat. > Lucky us!! :-)) You brought it on your kat. Now you're gettin your just desserts, tit for tat and all of that. > I was wondering if anyone might have some *female*- > cat-specific suggestions, Yeah: Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) > > similar situations or success stories they could share??!! All we need to look at is your own posted case history, reposted below for your edification. > Any other suggestions besides what I've read?? PERHAPS you DIDN'T READ EVERY THING, Scott: http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u. Just substitute the words dog and puppy for kat kitten kid child tortoise horse goat donkey or SP-HOWES. > Perhaps *female* spraying issues might have > suggestions other than what I've recently read. EVIDENTLY. > THANKS for your time!! It's only taken forty five years, Scott. > Let me give some background if I could... NOT NECESSARY, Scott: "...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests tself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov > I have 4 cats, ALL female. Two oldest ones are sisters > (same litter, age 6 1/2). Those two moved with my > girlfriend and I from NJ to FL in August 2000. While in > Florida, we got our third cat who is now 3 1/2 and then > our fourth cat who is now 2 1/2. After all the new-smell > introductions, hissing and dominance indications, "It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in deviant behavior of children can be achieved through brief, simple educative routines with their mothers which modify the mother's social behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965). A large number of cases improved sufficiently after preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment of children was required, and almost ALL cases SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy. Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)." > everyone really gets along well. Sez you, Scott? > We often wake up with all four on the bed!! > Anyway, all are spayed and healthy. Spaying makes critters FEARFUL, Scott. > Our move from NJ to FL in August 2000 was to an > apartment for a year where there was NO spraying. > Our second move from the apartment to a townhouse > was when the spraying started in December 2001. Maybe the move caused the spraying but that's not what causes it to continue four years later. > We took her to the vet and it does NOT seem to > be a medical problem but more behavorial. You can CURE this BEHAVIOR PROBLEM in WON DAY, Scott. > Also doesn't seem to have to do with a litter box problem > either as she tends to spray *targets*--an empty box, mat, > jacket mistakenly left on the floor, papers on a table. Any thing you touch. > We think the problem stems from a combination of (1) > looooong introduction of our fourth cat to the house You mean that DIFFICULT period where you let them sort it out amongst themselves. > and (2) the fact that the previous owners > had a cat in the town house. That's ABSURD. > The fourth cat was quarantined for a good few months > in her own bedroom prior to being introduced to the > rest of the cats and we think that such a long time > went by without the older cat knowing the source of > the "new smell" in the house You think your kats are STUPID? > that she started marking territory as a dominance move But you KNOW "dominance" is FEAR behavior, Scotty. > and never really kicked the habit. Because you've NEVER PROTECTED them other than to lock them away and PREY FOR LUCK. > Also, I think the prior-owner's cat smells were > still in the house and might have been a bit > threatening, What do you do when you catch him in the act, Scott? > especially coupled with the 4th cat :-(( The KATS AIN'T GOT NO PROBLEM, Scott. > We've been in our CURRENT house since August 2002. > The new home is VERY clean from a human standpoint > but I know they owned 3 long-haireds (and a puppy > for about a month). Is the puppy new or did you have IT for a month and GOT RID OF IT because he bothered the kats? > We've tried reprimand Your kats PISS in your HOWES BECAUSE you PUNISH THEM, Scott. > and Felliway That's an EXXXCELLENT product but NUTHIN will CURE your kat's FEAR of YOU so long as YOU PUNISH IT. > previously (when the problem was first noticed in > Dec 2001) and, for the past few months have been > using "Clomicalm" (aka Clomipramine... Your vet should lose his license for mishandling your kat, Scott. > more often used with dogs Same same, Scott. Dogs DO NOT HAVE a LACK of ANTI-PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS when they're having FEAR BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS. > but used with cats as well!) SO, your kat AIN'T SPAYIN five years later, scott? > The first suggested dose of Clomicalm stopped the > spraying but really basically KNOCKED her out :-( Surprise, surprise, surprise? > So we gradually lowered the dose to what controlled > the spraying but made her more "normal". Oh? So you're posting to tell us of your SUCCESS! Well, congratulatins, scotty. > We had hoped to ween her off the Clomicalm TOTALLY but, > when we did, spraying started again SHAAAZZZAAAMMM??? > so we put her back on the low dose that was working. And now every thing is HUNKEY DOREY, scotty? > Now, however, it seems she might be getting either > "used to" the medication or, as the Vet has indicated, > used to the FEELING of the medication in that she realizes, > "Oh this is how I feel normally (on my medication) so, not > that I'm used to it, I'll start spraying again!!" Have you ever heard of MunchHOWESEN By Proxy, Scotty? > Wish I could talk cat to see what her problem is!!! :-)) Her PROBLEM is that YOU PUNISH HER and DON'T PROTECT them. > Anyway, I was wondering if anyone might have some > *female*-cat-specific suggestions, similar situations > or success stories they could share??!! You might consider gettin her a Tom kat, Scotty. > Any other suggestions besides what I've read?? You mean to punish intimidate and crate your kat, Scotty? > Vet suggested upping the dose of climicalm > for the next couple weeks to see if that > controls the spraying again He's the guy who SELLS you the ANTI-PSYCHOTIC medications, Scotty? > so that's where we're at. INDEED. > Thanks again for reading!! Thank you for writing, Scotty. Study my manual and FOLOW THE METHODS PRECISELY and then when you GET YOUR RESULTS ask your vet if he can SPELL MALPRACTICE. > Scott > -- > PLEASE remove the "NOSPAM" from my email to reply....thanks!! From: Scott <scudderNOSPAMn...@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:36:06 -0400 Subject: Clomicalm for cats?? For background information, we have a female--yes *FEMALE*--sprayer!! She seemed to develop aggressive tendencies toward our youngest cat back in October 2001 when we got the young one. The spraying seems to be a marking-of-territory behaviour which we have desperately tried shaking her of for over a year and a half with no success!! We even moved into a home twice as big as our previous home (not just because of the cat!! LOL!) and she still marks certain areas. Anyway, after many, many, many behavior modifaction attempts (love, scolding, litterbox setups, training, crying, smelling (ack!), washing, drying, cleaning, wash, rinse, repeat...you name it!!), we are leaning towards this form of "Kitty Prozac" (I know...it's Clomipramine, not fluoxetine/Prozac). Any news? Any info? Any successes? Any problems?? Thanks! Scott > From: Scott <scudderNOSPAMn...@bellsouth.net> > Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:36:06 -0400 [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Any news? Any info? Any successes? Any problems?? Can't say as I know much about your situation; the product "Feliway" (is that what you're referring to?) is often used when dealing with an emotionally disturbed cat. IMHO while it may be a useful product it's only a temporary thing and if there's a root cause it should be dealt with there. There's nothing particularly strange about a female cat spraying, though it's not near as common as males. Only thing that I've noticed that works (worked enough to to stop 2 intact males spraying as well as a female) is to get them in the act and distract them; when that tail starts the twitch, yell or spook them so they forget what they were doing. Eventually they fall out of the habit or it sinks in that you object to it. pat short addendum; is she spraying or urinating ? There's a difference. pat >> From: Scott <scudderNOSPAMn...@bellsouth.net> >> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:36:06 -0400 [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > pat HOWEDY rpl, > short addendum; is she spraying or urinating ? > There's a difference. Sez you? You're the REASON you got 3 kats who SPRAY. Here's you, ya feeble weasel: From: rpl <plinnane3REM...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat Any grown cat that draws blood from me (on purpose) had better have a damn good reason (that *I* agree with) or gets a smack in the head. <snip> As far as rough play is concerned... attack first. Give kitty the "I'm Going To Eat You!!! routine" which gives him plenty of time to figure out which way to run when you lunge. When he looks to be in an uninvited "attack mode" snap your hand out and give him a noogie. ================ AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS is a coward or a mental case and if you DENY it, a LIAR to boot. Take your pick. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{#); ~ } > > pat > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > > > Can't say as I know much about your situation; His situation is the same as yours, rpl. ONLY ABUSERS HAVE THESE KINDS OF TEMPERAMENT and BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS and CHRONIC DIS-EASES in their critters, rpl. > > the product "Feliway" (is that what you're referring to?) > > is often used when dealing with an emotionally disturbed cat. Have you ever seen a "EMOTIONALLY DISTURBED" kat in the wild? > > IMHO while it may be a useful product it's > > only a temporary thing and if there's a root > > cause it should be dealt with there. You mean, like physically and emotinally ABUSING your critters. > > There's nothing particularly strange about a female > > cat spraying, though it's not near as common as males. The ONLY thing MORE UNNATURAL than a kat or dog having HOWEsbreaking PROBLEMS is opposite sex aggression. > > Only thing that I've noticed that works (worked enough > > to to stop 2 intact males spraying as well as a female) > > is to get them in the act and distract them; You mean PUNISH and INTIMIDATE them, rpl. At least you're not in favor of declawing unless it's necessary. > > when that tail starts the twitch, yell or > > spook them so they forget what they were doing. THAT'S HOWE COME KATS GO INSANE, rpl. > > Eventually they fall out of the habit > > or it sinks in that you object to it. AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY ATTACK THEIR ABUSERS AND GET MURDERED FOR IT, kat lover. > > pat Here's you, ya feeble weasel: From: rpl <plinnane3REM...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat Any grown cat that draws blood from me (on purpose) had better have a damn good reason (that *I* agree with) or gets a smack in the head. <snip> As far as rough play is concerned... attack first. Give kitty the "I'm Going To Eat You!!! routine" which gives him plenty of time to figure out which way to run when you lunge. When he looks to be in an uninvited "attack mode" snap your hand out and give him a noogie. ================ AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS is a coward or a mental case and if you DENY it, a LIAR to boot. Take your pick. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{#); ~ } > Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT. In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS FAILURE MEANS DEATH. SAME SAME SAME SAME, For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS. "The day may come when the rest of the animal creation may acquire those rights which never could have been withholden from them but by the hand of tyranny. The question is not can they REASON, nor can they TALK, but can they SUFFER?" - - Jeremy Bentham All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer "Thank you for fighting the fine fight-- even tho it's a hopeless task, in this system of things. As long as man is ruling man, there will be animals (and humans!) abused and neglected. :-( Your student," Juanita. "If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow," John Wayne. The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) > Jerry Howe, Director of Research, Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory, BIOSOUND Scientific, Director of Training, Wits' End Dog Training 1611 24th St Orlando, FL 32805 Phone: 1-407-425-5092 The Puppy Wizard. <TPW;-)> ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES? ,-._,-, V)"(V (_o_) Have a great day! / V) (l l l) Your Puppy Wizard. <}YPW;~} > oo-oo Here's your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual: http://makeashorterlink.com/?G34D2527A Just ASK The Amazing Puppy Wizard if you need any additional FREE heelp. There's NO arbritrary INFORMATION n your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual so study it well and do and follow ALL the EXXXERCISES AS INSTRUCTED... it's a PRECISE SCIENCE or it COULDN'T GET 100% CONSISTENT NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS for all handlers and all dogs in all fields or utilities and behaviors all over the Whole Wild World <{) ; ~ ) > "The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior Never Change, Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Could Not Obtain Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Safe Effective Results For All Handler's And All Dogs, ALL OVER THE WHOLE WILD WORLD, NEARLY INSTANTLY, As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual." > HOWEDY rpl, > >>short addendum; is she spraying or urinating ? >>There's a difference. > > Sez you? You're the REASON you got 3 kats who SPRAY. They don't spray and I wasn't addressing you. BAD PUPPY. If you don't know enough about cats to know that the behavioural markers indicated by spraying and urinating are *very* different then stay the f.ck out of the conversation. BAD PUPPY. If you research my posts from several years ago you may come across the reason the female was spraying; the males were spraying because they were males. If you do more research you will find the time and effort I put into weaning them off that habit. <snip> > AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS Why would I hit a cat to teach it manners ? BAD PUPPY. > The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, > double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. Double isn't necessary. Just stop pissing me off. > ONLY ABUSERS > HAVE THESE KINDS OF TEMPERAMENT and BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS > and CHRONIC DIS-EASES in their critters, rpl. Then I'm glad my "critters" don't have that problem. And just think how glad I am to get the approval of an obviously mentally stable person such as yourself. > Have you ever seen a "EMOTIONALLY DISTURBED" kat in the wild? A stray feral (not mine) would wander through my brother's house then go straight out the back door. Nothing that was tried (including reverse psychology) to get it to stay, worked; eventually it froze to death sitting on the fence outside one very cold winters night. Very sad. I could postulate that the cat had been abused at it's former residence, but I don't know. >>>IMHO while it may be a useful product it's >>>only a temporary thing and if there's a root >>>cause it should be dealt with there. > > You mean, like physically and emotinally ABUSING your critters. Yes, the root cause is *sometimes* people who don't know how to get along with their critters properly; in the domestic cat world that includes people who hit their cats, people who have their cats declawed and a long list of things some of which are due to ignorance and some are due to willful abuse. And sometimes it has nothing to do with the owner or as I've stated is due to ignorance. That's why I said "root cause". OTOH, why did you say "abuse" ? >>> There's nothing particularly strange about a female >>> cat spraying, though it's not near as common as males. > > The ONLY thing MORE UNNATURAL than a kat or dog having > HOWEsbreaking PROBLEMS is opposite sex aggression. If you're saying that female cats won't spray then you really don't know sh.t about cats. >>>Only thing that I've noticed that works (worked enough >>>to to stop 2 intact males spraying as well as a female) >>>is to get them in the act and distract them; > > You mean PUNISH and INTIMIDATE them, rpl. I do ? are you claiming to be psychic ?, maybe you should be "the amazing people wizard" instead of "wizard pussy" or whatever you're calling yourself today. Intimidation *does* work on cats. If what you want the cat to do doesn't make sense to the cat then it's the *only* thing that will work, to the best of my knowledge. Of course you have to convince the cat to act intimidated which may not be easy. Punishment OTOH only fosters resentment. > At least you're not in favor of declawing unless it's necessary. I'm not in favour of declawing at all and have never posted that even in jest. I think in order to make that statement you would not only have to take portions of a post out of context of both the post and thread as you've done, but start snipping words out of sentences. I'm not even in favour of trimming a cats nails unless they're broken (which happens with outdoor cats or a poor diet) or ingrown (which I've never personally seen). >>> when that tail starts the twitch, yell or >>>spook them so they forget what they were doing. > > THAT'S HOWE COME KATS GO INSANE, rpl. NO. BAD PUPPY. ...unless you're under the impression I mean scream at them for 10 minutes, in which case you aren't that psychic are you; a sharp "HEY!" or something is all that's required. You don't even have to threaten; just temporarily distract. >>> Eventually they fall out of the habit >>> or it sinks in that you object to it. > > AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY ATTACK THEIR ABUSERS > AND GET MURDERED FOR IT, kat lover. That, AFAICT isn't even loosely related to what I said. Care to elaborate ? I can sortof see a string of logic based on your obvious lack of knowledge of cats, but frankly even if you can manage to spell and type plain English, IMHO you should still explain what you mean to avoid coming across as a lunatic. <snip commercial advertising> Cats aren't dogs, Puppy; there is a divergence point beyond which applying dog-training methods doesn't work as well. You're welcome to get a cat of your own and try it though; probably won't hurt the cat... confuse it maybe. pat HOWEDY rpl, > > HOWEDY rpl, > > > >> short addendum; is she spraying or urinating ? > >> There's a difference. That's what you'd LIKE to believe because it's ONLY NATURAL for an animal abusing Sadist to BLAME THE ANIMAL for BEING AFRAID and DEFENDING hisself from an animal abusing mental case, rpl you freakin coward. There's HEELP available but IT WON'T WORK till you RECOGNIZE that you're a SADIST NAZI MENTAL CASE, rpl. > > Sez you? You're the REASON you got 3 kats who SPRAY. > > They don't spray Well then, perhaps you should go back and CORRECT YOUR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY you sick Nazi Sadist. You mental patients will DO and SAY ANY THING to DEFEND your alleged RIGHT to HURT and INTIMIDATE innocent dumb critters as your abusive parents TAUGHT YOU. > and I wasn't addressing you. You tell folks to HURT and INTIMIDATE innocent defenseless critters and then CRY like a spoiled child when The Amazing Puppy Wizard IDENTIFIES EXXXPOSES DISCREDITS and EMBARRASSES you by QUOTING YOUR OWN WORDS and DENYING IT as ANY SELF RESPECTING NAZI SADIST MENTAL CASE will do to DEFEND HIS ABUSIVE PARENTS and their SICK SADISTIC TEACHINGS, rpl. > BAD PUPPY. Well then, just give The Amazing Puppy Wizard a bitch slap and a noogie, you miserable coward: Here's you, ya feeble weasel: From: rpl <plinnane3REM...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat Any grown cat that draws blood from me (on purpose) had better have a damn good reason (that *I* agree with) or gets a smack in the head. <snip> As far as rough play is concerned... attack first. Give kitty the "I'm Going To Eat You!!! routine" which gives him plenty of time to figure out which way to run when you lunge. When he looks to be in an uninvited "attack mode" snap your hand out and give him a noogie. ================ AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS is a coward or a mental case and if you DENY it, a LIAR to boot. Take your pick. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{#); ~ } > > If you don't know enough about cats The FACTS ARE, you're a lying animal abusing mentally ill Nazi Sadist, rpl, and to DENY it makes you CRIMINALLY INSANE. > to know that the behavioural markers Sorry punk, The Amazing Pussy Wizard is UNEDUCATED. You'll have to EXXXPLAIN these behavioral terminologies you HIDE BEHIND to JUSTIFY HURTING and INTIMIDATING innocent dumb critters, you freakin Nazi. > indicated by spraying and urinating You mean, the most unnatural displays of FEAR BEHAVIOR. > are *very* different Sorry rpl, THAT'S what BEHAVIOR FORENSIC SCIENCES is here to PROVE in COURTS OF LAW to get mental cases like yourself divested of ANY LIVING DEFENSELESSS CRITTERS and PUNISH offenders like yourself. > then stay the f.ck out of the conversation. These are FAMILY news groups, kat lover. > BAD PUPPY. Shove it, Nazi. > If you research my posts from several years ago > you may come across the reason the female was > spraying; Kats, like children PISS THEMSELVES when they're ABUSED. > the males were spraying because they were males. Male kats DO NOT SPRAY IN THEIR OWN TERRORTORY, Nazi. > If you do more research you will find the time and > effort I put into weaning them off that habit. YOU ABUSED THEM, you freakin MENTAL CASE otherWIZE they WOULDN'T SPRAY in the first place, you lying animal abusing mental case. > <snip> > > AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS > > Why would I hit a cat to teach it manners ? BAD PUPPY. BECAUSE YOU'RE A NATURAL BORN COWARD AND MENTAL CASE: Here's you, ya feeble weasel: From: rpl <plinnane3REM...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat Any grown cat that draws blood from me (on purpose) had better have a damn good reason (that *I* agree with) or gets a smack in the head. <snip> As far as rough play is concerned... attack first. Give kitty the "I'm Going To Eat You!!! routine" which gives him plenty of time to figure out which way to run when you lunge. When he looks to be in an uninvited "attack mode" snap your hand out and give him a noogie. ================ AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS is a coward or a mental case and if you DENY it, a LIAR to boot. Take your pick. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. > > The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, > > double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. > > Double isn't necessary. Let's go DOUBLE OR NUTHIN on THAT too, Nazi. > Just stop pissing me off. Short fuse, eh Nazi? Or is that your MENTAL CONDITION comin out under STRESS of being IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and DISCREDITED as a lying animal abusin Sadist / Nazi? > > ONLY ABUSERS HAVE THESE KINDS OF TEMPERAMENT and > > BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS and CHRONIC DIS-EASES in their > > critters, rpl. > > Then I'm glad my "critters" don't have that problem. Your kats DO what they DON'T DO, REMEMBER? > And just think how glad I am to get the approval of > an obviously mentally stable person such as yourself. Here's you, ya feeble weasel: From: rpl <plinnane3REM...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat Any grown cat that draws blood from me (on purpose) had better have a damn good reason (that *I* agree with) or gets a smack in the head. <snip> As far as rough play is concerned... attack first. Give kitty the "I'm Going To Eat You!!! routine" which gives him plenty of time to figure out which way to run when you lunge. When he looks to be in an uninvited "attack mode" snap your hand out and give him a noogie. ================ AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS is a coward or a mental case and if you DENY it, a LIAR to boot. Take your pick. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. > > Have you ever seen a "EMOTIONALLY DISTURBED" kat in the wild? > > A stray feral (not mine) would wander through my > brother's house then go straight out the back door. That kat was INTELLIGENT. Animal abusers are BORN to and RAISED by ABUSERS just like kats and dogs who have temperament and behavior problems. It's a FAMILY matter, rpl. "INBREEDING is SPIRITUAL". > Nothing that was tried (including reverse psychology) You mean NOT HURTING the kat when IT was AFRAID, rpl? > to get it to stay, worked; Because the kat KNOWS he's come across an ABUSER, prl. > eventually it froze to death sitting on the fence > outside one very cold winters night. Very sad. That was his CHOICE rather than live with an ABUSER. > I could postulate that the cat had been abused at > it's former residence, but I don't know. The kat KNEW BETTER than to TRUST your mentally ill brother. > >>>IMHO while it may be a useful product it's > >>>only a temporary thing and if there's a root [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yes, the root cause is *sometimes* people who don't > know how to get along with their critters properly; Here's you, ya feeble weasel: From: rpl <plinnane3REM...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat Any grown cat that draws blood from me (on purpose) had better have a damn good reason (that *I* agree with) or gets a smack in the head. <snip> As far as rough play is concerned... attack first. Give kitty the "I'm Going To Eat You!!! routine" which gives him plenty of time to figure out which way to run when you lunge. When he looks to be in an uninvited "attack mode" snap your hand out and give him a noogie. ================ AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS is a coward or a mental case and if you DENY it, a LIAR to boot. Take your pick. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. > in the domestic cat world that includes > people who hit their cats, Oh? You mean, LIKE THIS?: Here's you, ya feeble weasel: From: rpl <plinnane3REM...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat Any grown cat that draws blood from me (on purpose) had better have a damn good reason (that *I* agree with) or gets a smack in the head. <snip> As far as rough play is concerned... attack first. Give kitty the "I'm Going To Eat You!!! routine" which gives him plenty of time to figure out which way to run when you lunge. When he looks to be in an uninvited "attack mode" snap your hand out and give him a noogie. ================ AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS is a coward or a mental case and if you DENY it, a LIAR to boot. Take your pick. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. > people who have their cats declawed and a long list > of things some of which are due to ignorance and > some are due to willful abuse. YOU MEAN LIKE THIS: Here's you, ya feeble weasel: From: rpl <plinnane3REM...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat Any grown cat that draws blood from me (on purpose) had better have a damn good reason (that *I* agree with) or gets a smack in the head. <snip> As far as rough play is concerned... attack first. Give kitty the "I'm Going To Eat You!!! routine" which gives him plenty of time to figure out which way to run when you lunge. When he looks to be in an uninvited "attack mode" snap your hand out and give him a noogie. ================ AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS is a coward or a mental case and if you DENY it, a LIAR to boot. Take your pick. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. > And sometimes it has nothing to do with the owner > or as I've stated is due to ignorance. YOU MEAN LIKE THIS: Here's you, ya feeble weasel: From: rpl <plinnane3REM...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat Any grown cat that draws blood from me (on purpose) had better have a damn good reason (that *I* agree with) or gets a smack in the head. <snip> As far as rough play is concerned... attack first. Give kitty the "I'm Going To Eat You!!! routine" which gives him plenty of time to figure out which way to run when you lunge. When he looks to be in an uninvited "attack mode" snap your hand out and give him a noogie. ================ AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS is a coward or a mental case and if you DENY it, a LIAR to boot. Take your pick. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. > That's why I said "root cause". The "ROOT CAUSE" is that you was RAISED by ABUSERS to BECOME an ABUSER because THAT IS your HUMAN NATURE, the NATURE of a COWARD and MENTAL CASE, you freakin Nazi Sadist. > OTOH, why did you say "abuse" ? Here's you, ya feeble weasel: From: rpl <plinnane3REM...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat Any grown cat that draws blood from me (on purpose) had better have a damn good reason (that *I* agree with) or gets a smack in the head. <snip> As far as rough play is concerned... attack first. Give kitty the "I'm Going To Eat You!!! routine" which gives him plenty of time to figure out which way to run when you lunge. When he looks to be in an uninvited "attack mode" snap your hand out and give him a noogie. ================ AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS is a coward or a mental case and if you DENY it, a LIAR to boot. Take your pick. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. > >>> There's nothing particularly strange about a female > >>> cat spraying, though it's not near as common as males. KATS ONLY SPRAY THEIR OWN HOWESES WHEN THEY'RE AFRAID OR SICK. > > The ONLY thing MORE UNNATURAL than a kat or dog having > > HOWEsbreaking PROBLEMS is opposite sex aggression. > > If you're saying that female cats won't spray Like your female sprayer. > then you really don't know sh.t about cats. KATS ONLY SPRAY THEIR OWN HOWESES WHEN THEY'RE AFRAID OR SICK: Here's you, ya feeble weasel: From: rpl <plinnane3REM...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat Any grown cat that draws blood from me (on purpose) had better have a damn good reason (that *I* agree with) or gets a smack in the head. <snip> As far as rough play is concerned... attack first. Give kitty the "I'm Going To Eat You!!! routine" which gives him plenty of time to figure out which way to run when you lunge. When he looks to be in an uninvited "attack mode" snap your hand out and give him a noogie. ================ AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS is a coward or a mental case and if you DENY it, a LIAR to boot. Take your pick. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. > >>>Only thing that I've noticed that works (worked enough > >>>to to stop 2 intact males spraying as well as a female) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I do ? Here's you, ya feeble weasel: From: rpl <plinnane3REM...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat Any grown cat that draws blood from me (on purpose) had better have a damn good reason (that *I* agree with) or gets a smack in the head. <snip> As far as rough play is concerned... attack first. Give kitty the "I'm Going To Eat You!!! routine" which gives him plenty of time to figure out which way to run when you lunge. When he looks to be in an uninvited "attack mode" snap your hand out and give him a noogie. ================ AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS is a coward or a mental case and if you DENY it, a LIAR to boot. Take your pick. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. > are you claiming to be psychic ?, No, it's IN YOUR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY for ANY student of MENTAL ILLNESS to review and learn from, rpl. > maybe you should be "the amazing people wizard" In SOME circles, animal behavior forensic sciences are STILL USED to determin human mental illnesses and therapies, rpl, you SADIST NAZI MENTAL CASE. > instead of "wizard pussy" or whatever you're > calling yourself today. Here's you, ya feeble weasel: From: rpl <plinnane3REM...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat Any grown cat that draws blood from me (on purpose) had better have a damn good reason (that *I* agree with) or gets a smack in the head. <snip> As far as rough play is concerned... attack first. Give kitty the "I'm Going To Eat You!!! routine" which gives him plenty of time to figure out which way to run when you lunge. When he looks to be in an uninvited "attack mode" snap your hand out and give him a noogie. ================ AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS is a coward or a mental case and if you DENY it, a LIAR to boot. Take your pick. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. > Intimidation *does* work on cats. And children, as you've demonstrated. > If what you want the cat to do doesn't make sense > to the cat then it's the *only* thing that will work, You're PATHETIC. > to the best of my knowledge. Here's you, ya feeble weasel: From: rpl <plinnane3REM...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat Any grown cat that draws blood from me (on purpose) had better have a damn good reason (that *I* agree with) or gets a smack in the head. <snip> As far as rough play is concerned... attack first. Give kitty the "I'm Going To Eat You!!! routine" which gives him plenty of time to figure out which way to run when you lunge. When he looks to be in an uninvited "attack mode" snap your hand out and give him a noogie. ================ AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS is a coward or a mental case and if you DENY it, a LIAR to boot. Take your pick. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. > Of course you have to convince the cat to > act intimidated which may not be easy. Works the same same for dogs and children, you Nazi. > Punishment OTOH only fosters resentment. Well, looks like you're contradicting yourself left and right and to the center, in true MENTAL PATIENT fashion, eh rpl?: Here's you, ya feeble weasel: From: rpl <plinnane3REM...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat Any grown cat that draws blood from me (on purpose) had better have a damn good reason (that *I* agree with) or gets a smack in the head. <snip> As far as rough play is concerned... attack first. Give kitty the "I'm Going To Eat You!!! routine" which gives him plenty of time to figure out which way to run when you lunge. When he looks to be in an uninvited "attack mode" snap your hand out and give him a noogie. ================ AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS is a coward or a mental case and if you DENY it, a LIAR to boot. Take your pick. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. > > At least you're not in favor of declawing unless it's necessary. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > take portions of a post out of context of both the > post and thread as you've done, You mean, LIKE THIS?: Here's you, ya feeble weasel: From: rpl <plinnane3REM...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat Any grown cat that draws blood from me (on purpose) had better have a damn good reason (that *I* agree with) or gets a smack in the head. <snip> As far as rough play is concerned... attack first. Give kitty the "I'm Going To Eat You!!! routine" which gives him plenty of time to figure out which way to run when you lunge. When he looks to be in an uninvited "attack mode" snap your hand out and give him a noogie. ================ AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS is a coward or a mental case and if you DENY it, a LIAR to boot. Take your pick. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. > but start snipping words out of sentences. CITES PLEASE? > I'm not even in favour of trimming a cats nails > unless they're broken (which happens with outdoor > cats or a poor diet) or ingrown (which I've > never personally seen). You're a halfwit. > >>> when that tail starts the twitch, yell or > >>>spook them so they forget what they were doing. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > psychic are you; a sharp "HEY!" or something is all > that's required. THAT'S HOWE COME YOUR KATS SPRAY. > You don't even have to threaten; just temporarily distract. Kats dogs and kids are VERY SENSITVE critters and NEED PROTECTION from Nazi Sadist MENTAL CASES like yourself, rpl. > >>> Eventually they fall out of the habit > >>> or it sinks in that you object to it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That, AFAICT isn't even loosely related to what I said. Here's you, ya feeble weasel: From: rpl <plinnane3REM...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat Any grown cat that draws blood from me (on purpose) had better have a damn good reason (that *I* agree with) or gets a smack in the head. <snip> As far as rough play is concerned... attack first. Give kitty the "I'm Going To Eat You!!! routine" which gives him plenty of time to figure out which way to run when you lunge. When he looks to be in an uninvited "attack mode" snap your hand out and give him a noogie. ================ AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS is a coward or a mental case and if you DENY it, a LIAR to boot. Take your pick. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. > Care to elaborate ? You're a VERY SICK mental patient. > I can sort of see a string of logic based on your obvious > lack of knowledge of cats, but frankly even if you can > manage to spell and type plain English, IMHO you should > still explain what you mean to avoid coming across as a lunatic. You mean by SNIPPING WORDS OUT OF SENTENCES to make you LOOK LIKE an ANIMAL ABUSER and LIAR?: Here's you, ya feeble weasel: From: rpl <plinnane3REM...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat Any grown cat that draws blood from me (on purpose) had better have a damn good reason (that *I* agree with) or gets a smack in the head. <snip> As far as rough play is concerned... attack first. Give kitty the "I'm Going To Eat You!!! routine" which gives him plenty of time to figure out which way to run when you lunge. When he looks to be in an uninvited "attack mode" snap your hand out and give him a noogie. ================ AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS is a coward or a mental case and if you DENY it, a LIAR to boot. Take your pick. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. > <snip commercial advertising> You mean THIS?: > > PERHAPS you DIDN'T READ EVERY THING, Scott: > > http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u. Just substitute > > the words dog and puppy for kat kitten kid > > child tortoise horse goat donkey or SP-HOWES. It's the FREE INFORMATION DECENT PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW so they don't become NAZI SADIST MENTAL PATIENTS like yourself DENYING your own WRITTEN WORDS, rpl. > Cats aren't dogs, Puppy; And THIS AIN'T WHAT YOU DO TO THEM: Here's you, ya feeble weasel: From: rpl <plinnane3REM...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat Any grown cat that draws blood from me (on purpose) had better have a damn good reason (that *I* agree with) or gets a smack in the head. <snip> As far as rough play is concerned... attack first. Give kitty the "I'm Going To Eat You!!! routine" which gives him plenty of time to figure out which way to run when you lunge. When he looks to be in an uninvited "attack mode" snap your hand out and give him a noogie. ================ AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS is a coward or a mental case and if you DENY it, a LIAR to boot. Take your pick. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. > there is a divergence point beyond which > applying dog-training methods doesn't work > as well. That's just plain FALSE, kat abuser. > You're welcome to get a cat of your own > and try it though; The Amazing Pussy Wizard has owned trained and rehabilitated MANY kats, rpl, but NOT BY ABUSING them like you PREFER, you Nazi. > probably won't hurt the cat... It don't matter HOWE you ABUSE a DUMB CRITTER, you freaking Sadist Nazi MENTAL CASE. > confuse it maybe. THAT'S HOWE COME YOUR KATS PISS IN YOUR HOWES. > pat Here's you, ya feeble weasel: From: rpl <plinnane3REM...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Ferocious, Biting, Ravage, Pain-Inflicting Cat Any grown cat that draws blood from me (on purpose) had better have a damn good reason (that *I* agree with) or gets a smack in the head. <snip> As far as rough play is concerned... attack first. Give kitty the "I'm Going To Eat You!!! routine" which gives him plenty of time to figure out which way to run when you lunge. When he looks to be in an uninvited "attack mode" snap your hand out and give him a noogie. ================ AnyWON who'd hit a kitty kat to teach it MANNERS is a coward or a mental case and if you DENY it, a LIAR to boot. Take your pick. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. Odd, I thought I had read from some of the dog-groups posters that you occasionally made some sense or something to that effect. So here's your chance (This has never happened to me, btw) A cat has for no reason whatsoever (that you can discern) just sunk it's teeth into your arm. You have 4 .5" fangs buried to the hilt, two on the top, two on the bottom and assorted quarter inch teeth as well. So what do you do, oh great and magnificent one ? I'm sure you're full of sh.t as far as I'm concerned; are you full of sh.t as far as *you're* concerned ? You claim to give help when asked. I'm asking. If you can't do that then, let's try an easier one... you do claim to be a "Puppy Wizard"; same question but this time it's a pitbull. ? OK, let's try the easiest one; let's make it multiple choice... You give help to people on Usenet; some of them don't know anything about the subject at hand, some of them have bad attitudes. In order to get them to "fly right" you... a) call them names which makes them ignore you because you're a troll ? b) accuse them of being responsible which causes some of them to have to justify any bad behaviour ? c) Keep their attention and make suggestions that hopefully the more prideful ones can manage without any "loss of face". Still can't do it ? Here's a quote >>Intimidation *does* work on cats. > > And children, as you've demonstrated. Are you a child ? Are you intimidated by me ? I'm not going to apologize for your lack of manners. DO I HAVE TO GET THE ROLLED-UP NEWSPAPER ? RPL. > HOWEDY rpl, > [quoted text clipped - 851 lines] > The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, > double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. HOWEDY rpl, > Odd, "ODD", rpl? There's NUTHING ODD in FORENSIC SCIENCES, rpl. An ODDITY would be INCOINSISTENT with DIS-EASE, rpl. > I thought I had read from some of the dog-groups posters > that you occasionally made some sense or something to that > effect. They're LYIN, rpl. The Amazing Puppy Wizard NEVER MAKES SENSE to ANIMAL ABUSERS and MENTAL CASES who can't see their own abuse as anything other than LOVE, as you've been TAUGHT by your abusive parents. > So here's your chance The Amazing Puppy Wizard leaves NUTHIN to "CHANCE": "Luck is for SUCKERS. NEVER make a SUCKER'S BET," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{#); ~ ) > > (This has never happened to me, btw) Of curse not! And you NEVER DO what you DO, according to your own POSTED CASE HISTORY. > A cat has for no reason whatsoever (that you can discern) The REASON is IRRELEVENT, rpl. ALL temperament and behavior problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING therefore they can be CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY by simply doin EXXXACTLY PRECISELY DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSITE of EVERY THING YOU THINK and BELIEVE. > just sunk it's teeth into your arm. Like Sigfried & Roys DEAD KAT, rpl? > You have 4 .5" fangs buried to the hilt, So? YOU PRAISE HIM and he'll STOP. > two on the top, two on the bottom and assorted > quarter inch teeth as well. Tsk, tsk. You'll HEEL, rpl. THE KAT WON'T unless you're KIND TO HIM when HE SCARES and HURTS you from UNCONTROLLABLE FEAR, rpl. > So what do you do, oh great and magnificent one ? YOU PRAISE HIM TILL HE DON'T FEAR and ATTACK YOU nomore. > I'm sure you're full of sh.t as far as I'm concerned; BECAUSE YOU'D HURT and INTIMDIATE IT somemore, rpl. > are you full of sh.t as far as *you're* concerned ? Rehabilitating fear aggressive critters is MUCH EZier and FASTER than rehabilitating animal abusing Nazi MENTAL CASES who'll DO and SAY ANY THING to DEFEND your alleged RIGHT to HURT and INTIMIDATE innocent critters like HOWE your PARENTS TAUGHT YOU, rpl. > You claim to give help when asked. I'm asking. You need to STUDY your own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual and THEN APPLY IT to YOUR OWN MENTAL ILLNESS. You've got to ADMIT you've been a VICTIM of ABUSE. YOu've got to ADMIT you've been a VICTIM of PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) JUST LIKE your KAT VICTIMS and DEAL WITH IT, AS INSTRUCTED, JUST LIKE HOWE you APPLY the TECHNIQUES to your critters you gotta do the SAME SAME with the REPRESSED MEMORIES of the ABUSES you've SUFFERED at the hands of your MENTALLY ILL PARENTS who DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER than to bear fruit and PUNISH IT till it's SOUR and BITTER and AFRAID, like they are. > If you can't do that then, let's try an easier one... > you do claim to be a "Puppy Wizard"; same question > but this time it's a pitbull. ALL CRITTERS ARE THE SAME SAME, rpl. > ? Looks like you're havin a HEALING DAY, eh rpl? > OK, let's try the easiest one; let's make it multiple choice... Let's say it's your own children, rpl? > You give help to people on Usenet; "G-D healps them who healps themselves" > some of them don't know anything about the subject > at hand, some of them have bad attitudes. In order > to get them to "fly right" you... GOT TO PRAISE THEM, JUST LIKE YOUR FEARFUL KATS. > a) call them names which makes them ignore you > because you're a troll ? You're right. Only UNCONDITIONAL LOVE TRUST and RESPECT can CURE MENTAL ILLNESS and FEAR AGGRESSION, rpl. > b) accuse them of being responsible which causes > some of them to have to justify any bad behaviour ? Hmmm? You think THAT'S what's goin on here? THAT'S VERY ENLIGHTENING, rpl. You're makin progress. > c) Keep their attention and make suggestions that > hopefully the more prideful ones can manage without > any "loss of face". PROBLEMO, rpl. THAT WON'T WORK in the face of PATHOLOGY. Perhaps you're READY to break those chains of BONDAGE? > Still can't do it ? Oh yes, but THAT would NOT ACHIEVE the necessary POSTED CASE HISTORIES we NEED to PROVE the PATHOLOGY. > Here's a quote > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Are you a child ? Are you intimidated by me ? No, rpl. The Amazing Puppy Wizard is disgusted and offended by you, a highly UN PROFESSIONAL response to mental health crises, albeit, rpl. > I'm not going to apologize for your lack of manners. MANNERS ARE VERY IMPORTANT to ABUSED CHILDREN, rpl. > DO I HAVE TO GET THE ROLLED-UP NEWSPAPER ? Can't stop thinkin pain fear force punishment and repression, eh rpl? THAT'S The STOCKHOLM SYNDROME at it's BEST, rpl. > RPL. > [quoted text clipped - 856 lines] > > The Amazing Puppy Wizard will wager HIS LIFE, > > double or nuthin, that you got ALL THREE. > HOWEDY rpl, > >>Odd, > > "ODD", rpl? There's NUTHING ODD in FORENSIC SCIENCES, rpl. > An ODDITY would be INCOINSISTENT with DIS-EASE, rpl. "Forensic sciences" is as "Forensic Sciences" does; calling something something it's not does not make it so. But if you have a title which includes rational discourse, use it. I take it you view yourself as a policeman ? >>I thought I had read from some of the dog-groups posters >>that you occasionally made some sense or something to that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > their own abuse as anything other than LOVE, as you've > been TAUGHT by your abusive parents. I'm reasonably sure there isn't a large percentage of posters in the dog groups who fall into those categories. On what evidence do you base your pronouncements ? >>So here's your chance > > The Amazing Puppy Wizard leaves NUTHIN to "CHANCE": > "Luck is for SUCKERS. NEVER make a SUCKER'S BET," > The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{#); ~ ) > Did your daddy beat you ? Did he perhaps apply "pre-emptive strikes" ? >>(This has never happened to me, btw) > > Of curse not! And you NEVER DO what you DO, > according to your own POSTED CASE HISTORY. You mean I've never hit a cat ? I have, once: it decided I was territory that should be marked, I disagreed. And I would still happily smack a cat that is injuring me. Though (since I do actually think about things) if I think of it I might try the "sound like a cat in pain"... or submerge my arm in a bathtub full of water if I have one nearby to get the cat to let go. >>A cat has for no reason whatsoever (that you can discern) > The REASON is IRRELEVENT, rpl. ALL temperament >>just sunk it's teeth into your arm. > > Like Sigfried & Roys DEAD KAT, rpl? If whoever had that gun could've discerned the reason behind the cat's "attack" then that cat might still be alive. Still think reason is irrelevant ? >> You have 4 .5" fangs buried to the hilt, > > So? YOU PRAISE HIM and he'll STOP. If that's your attitude then why didn't you tell the original posters that ? > Tsk, tsk. You'll HEEL, rpl. THE KAT WON'T unless > you're KIND TO HIM when HE SCARES and HURTS you > from UNCONTROLLABLE FEAR, rpl. Animals generally don't scare me. And I respect them enough to call them by their proper names; "cats" not "kats"; are you German (katz) or trying to pretend that pets are cartoon animals. >>So what do you do, oh great and magnificent one ? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > BECAUSE YOU'D HURT and INTIMDIATE IT somemore, rpl. I "intimidate" my cats on a daily basis. It sends a clear signal. Since they know I won't hurt them they choose whether or not to respond. I'm usually successful at getting them out of the kitchen but unsuccessful in getting them to get off the couch. Go figure. And I've given you my opinion on hurting cats unnecessarily; are you illiterate ? >> are you full of sh.t as far as *you're* concerned ? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > your alleged RIGHT to HURT and INTIMIDATE innocent > critters like HOWE your PARENTS TAUGHT YOU, rpl. But my parents' names weren't "HOWE" nor were they in that general genetic pool. Your choice of poor spelling, ie:"EZier" gives indication that your methods are not the real thing. >>You claim to give help when asked. I'm asking. > > You need to STUDY your own FREE COPY of The Amazing by then the blood has drained from my body. Anything more immediate ? > You've got to ADMIT you've been a VICTIM of ABUSE. Are/were you a victim of abuse ? I'm not sure the pitbull hanging off my arm is listening. > YOu've got to ADMIT you've been a VICTIM of PTSD >>If you can't do that then, let's try an easier one... >> you do claim to be a "Puppy Wizard"; same question >> but this time it's a pitbull. > > ALL CRITTERS ARE THE SAME SAME, rpl. no, they aren't. In several of your posts you've made statements (apart from the personal attacks) regarding cats that could cause injury to the cats; for instance mistaking improper urination for scent marking may mean that your cat dies of an UTI. > Looks like you're havin a HEALING DAY, eh rpl? I'm not; I've got a cat, a pitbull and apparently children stuck to my arm draining the blood out of me. At least I don't take leeches as pets. >>OK, let's try the easiest one; let's make it multiple choice... > > Let's say it's your own children, rpl? Then by all means xpost to alt.children and drag it further off-topic. >>You give help to people on Usenet; > > "G-D healps them who healps themselves" What variety of religion is that ? Is it in the same category as "don't speak the devil's name" ? >>some of them don't know anything about the subject >>at hand, some of them have bad attitudes. In order >>to get them to "fly right" you... > > GOT TO PRAISE THEM, JUST LIKE YOUR FEARFUL KATS. If you start yelling, most cats would run away out of prudence, not fear. Do you mean "kats" as in "katsenjammer(sp?) kids" ? I'm not familiar with the series beyond the name. >>a) call them names which makes them ignore you >>because you're a troll ? > > You're right. Only UNCONDITIONAL LOVE TRUST > and RESPECT can CURE MENTAL ILLNESS and FEAR > AGGRESSION, rpl. That's odd; I've been giving you benefit of the doubt and rather more respect than your misshapen words deserve for several posts in a row now. IMO, you've become slightly more coherent, but much more abusive. >>b) accuse them of being responsible which causes >>some of them to have to justify any bad behaviour ? > > Hmmm? You think THAT'S what's goin on here? "THAT" ? I was referring to posters justifying poor ownership habits. > THAT'S VERY ENLIGHTENING, rpl. You're makin progress. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > PROBLEMO, rpl. THAT WON'T WORK in the face of PATHOLOGY. I think I have a better "success rate" than you do. > Perhaps you're READY to break those chains of BONDAGE? > >>Still can't do it ? > > Oh yes, but THAT would NOT ACHIEVE the necessary > POSTED CASE HISTORIES we NEED to PROVE the PATHOLOGY. I'm now out of blood. I die. The cat, pitbull and children eat heartily for a few days. Eventually the cat hops the fence, the pitbull eats some of the children; some more of the children grab the family jewels intending to hock them but are mugged by another gang of kids; the rest open the gate and get away and are now on the streets with nobody to support them. The pitbull gets shot by a cop because it's a pitbull. Yeah, real good job. Thanks for the help. >>Here's a quote >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and offended by you, a highly UN PROFESSIONAL > response to mental health crises, albeit, rpl. I'm neither a "mental health professional" nor do I work for the UN. >> I'm not going to apologize for your lack of manners. > > MANNERS ARE VERY IMPORTANT to ABUSED CHILDREN, rpl. And apparently a lack-of is important to abusive adults(?) Manners flows both ways. >>DO I HAVE TO GET THE ROLLED-UP NEWSPAPER ? > > Can't stop thinkin pain fear force punishment > and repression, eh rpl? THAT'S The STOCKHOLM > SYNDROME at it's BEST, rpl. I just wanted to see if I got the same knee-jerk reaction two posts in a row. Do you think it odd that you reply to aggression with aggression ? HOWEDY RPL, > > HOWEDY rpl, > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > something something it's not does not make it so. But if > you have a title which includes rational discourse, use it. It's heelthy that we're talkin, RPL. > I take it you view yourself as a policeman ? Not at all, RPL. It's a FREE country, ain't it. > >> I thought I had read from some of the dog-groups posters > >> that you occasionally made some sense or something to that [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'm reasonably sure there isn't a large percentage of > posters in the dog groups who fall into those categories. I've got their POSTED CASE HISTORIES to PROVE IT. > On what evidence do you base your pronouncements ? CASE HISTORY DATA, RPL. > >>So here's your chance > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Did your daddy beat you ? Did he perhaps apply > "pre-emptive strikes" ? Nope. But this AIN'T about me, RPL. > >>(This has never happened to me, btw) > > > > Of curse not! And you NEVER DO what you DO, > > according to your own POSTED CASE HISTORY. > > You mean I've never hit a cat ? I have, once: it decided DUMB ANIMALS DO NOT "DECIDE" to ATTACK they ONLY attack when they're AFRAID, RPL. > I was territory THAT'S ABSURD, RPL. Even DUMB ANIMALS know the difference between TERRORTORY and humans they FEAR. > that should be marked, Your kat PISSED ON YOU because you SCARED and INTIMIDATED him. > I disagreed. So you taught him to LIKE you by gettin physical with him. > And I would still happily smack a cat that is injuring me. You'd be WIZE to hump his leg instead, RPL. > Though (since I do actually think about things) if I > think of it I might try the "sound like a cat in pain"... To teach the kat he's subordinated you, RPL? > or submerge my arm in a bathtub full of water if > I have one nearby to get the cat to let go. Oh? I thought the arm in the water was that old camp trick where you put the hand of a sleeping person into a bowl of warm water to make them piss their bed. > >>A cat has for no reason whatsoever (that you can discern) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > behind the cat's "attack" then that cat might still be > alive. They murdered the kat several days AFTER the attack. The REASON the kat attacked was cause he was WITHOLDING BRIBES and WOULDN'T GIVE IT UP when the kat got PISSED. > Still think reason is irrelevant ? INDEEDY. NO CRITTER (baring a brain tumor or rabies) attack ANY critter UNLESS HE'S AFRAID. > >> You have 4 .5" fangs buried to the hilt, > > > > So? YOU PRAISE HIM and he'll STOP. > > If that's your attitude then why didn't you tell > the original posters that ? IT SEZ SO IN MY MANUAL. > > Tsk, tsk. You'll HEEL, rpl. THE KAT WON'T unless > > you're KIND TO HIM when HE SCARES and HURTS you > > from UNCONTROLLABLE FEAR, rpl. > > Animals generally don't scare me. That's curious. ALL ANIMALS SCARE ME. THAT'S WON REASON WHY I DON'T HURT and INTIMIDATE them. > And I respect them enough to call them by their > proper names; "cats" not "kats"; are you German > (katz) or trying to pretend that pets are cartoon > animals. Let's talk about FEAR, RPL. That's what this is all about, RPL. I got the same fears anyWON else got, maybe more, my fears just manifest differently. Some of us go inward, others EXXXPLODE when we are afraid enough and have no ESCAPE. > >>So what do you do, oh great and magnificent one ? > > YOU PRAISE HIM TILL HE DON'T FEAR and ATTACK YOU nomore. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I "intimidate" my cats on a daily basis. Don't have to do it daily. JUST WON TIME IS ENOUGH. > It sends a clear signal. IT MAKES YOU LESS HUMAN THAN THEY ARE. > Since they know I won't hurt them Unless they PISS on you, of curse. > they choose whether or not to respond. My critters GOT NO SUCH CHOICES. They do as they're ASKED or they GET THE CONDITIONING AGAIN and THAT ALWAYS WORKS, RPL. > I'm usually successful My FREE WEDTM Students are ALWAYS successful, RPL. > at getting them out of the kitchen but unsuccessful > in getting them to get off the couch. Go figure. There's NUTHIN to "figger," RPL. YOU GOT NO METHOD. HOWEver, I've GIVIN MINE to you for FREE but you PREFER to act like King Dong instead of an intelligent decent human being. > And I've given you my opinion on hurting cats unnecessarily; AN EXXXCELLENT POINT. There AIN'T NO time ANY critter NEEDS PAIN FEAR FORCE or INTIMIDATION, even in "self defense". > are you illiterate ? Words are the ONLY way I work, RPL. > >> are you full of sh.t as far as *you're* concerned ? > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > But my parents' names weren't "HOWE" nor were > they in that general genetic pool. My FREE methods work for ALL critters the same same. > Your choice of poor spelling, ie:"EZier" gives > indication that your methods are not the real thing. That so, RPL? > >>You claim to give help when asked. I'm asking. > > > > You need to STUDY your own FREE COPY of The Amazing > > by then the blood has drained from my body. It's LESS THAN 100 pages, RPL. Takes less than two hours to study and practice the techniques and just a few minutes to INSTALL them in ANY critter, RPL. > Anything more immediate ? YOU CAN'T GET NO FASTER METHODS THAN THIS, RPL. > > You've got to ADMIT you've been a VICTIM of ABUSE. > > Are/were you a victim of abuse ? According to MY METHODS and PHILOSOPY we've ALL been VICTIMIZED. > I'm not sure the pitbull hanging off my arm is listening. He don't have to listen if you FOLLOW THE METHOD, RPL. It WORKS on ALL critters BUT ONLY if you understand and follow it PRECISELY. > > YOu've got to ADMIT you've been a VICTIM of PTSD > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > no, they aren't. Yes, they are. Including me and you, RPL. We're the same same, only opposite, because I couldn't get away with using "corrections" on the giant breed dogs I work with because it's too dangerous. Ask Siggy an Roy. They got what was PREDICTABLE and PREDICTED by offering and witholding bribes. We've got a half dozen posters right here who've had their critters turn on them or their house guests for offering them bribes "just to make friends" as charlie sez who KNEW BETTER than to do that because it SEZ SO in my free manual but he thought it was O.K. because jean donaldson sez to bribe dogs and that makes SENSE to certiain personalities, RPL. I was taught at age 5 not to bribe the dog to go out to play because that would be entrapment and would sour her on playing, that's what grandpa taught me. Treats are fine for pleasure but not for CONTROLL because it can cause persistent aggression. > In several of your posts you've made statements (apart > from the personal attacks) regarding cats that could > cause injury to the cats; Absolutely not. Long ago I had a very delicate Chihuahua who was afraid of kids and I couldn't use any force on him or he'd become more afraid. Later on when I was tryin NOT TO PISS OFF an aggressive Great Dane with a history of eatin professional trainers I tried REALLY REALLY HARD not to correct him any harder than that little Chihuahua and that seemed to work just as well because you CAN'T FORCE ANY CRITTER and expect him to naturally want to do anything you ask And that's why installing commands as conditional reflexes will come in handy because we don't have to force to get a critter do go around in circles if we so desire. Goin straight may take fifteen minutes... but that's because the distraction of being asked to come and go or turn left and right keeps them focused. Kinda opposite of how you'd think of being focused, ain't it??? Nice stuff. > for instance mistaking improper urination There AIN'T NO SUCH THING unless the cat is SICK. Housebreaking is INSTINCTIVE. The only thing more unnatural than a housebreaking mistake is opposite sex aggression and we see PLENTY of that here. The dog lovers almost all have opposite sex aggressive dogs because ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR and ALL FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. > for scent marking may mean that your cat dies of an UTI. NOT when we can CURE "marking" in WON DAY, RPL. My methods work FASTER than you could get a vet appointment and IF THEY WORK then YOU DON'T NEED the vet because BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION CANNOT CURE a REAL ILLNESS, only psychosomatic symptoms, like SPRAYING, BITING, SEPARATION ANXIETY, SELF MUTILATION, just the NORMAL STUFF which comprises 90% of all veteriary care and treatment, RPL. > > Looks like you're havin a HEALING DAY, eh rpl? Me too. You can see my spelling and upper cases have almost completely healed already, thanks to your efforts. > I'm not; You ARE, like it or not. You're TALKIN. That means you're THINKIN and IF YOU'RE THINKIN then we only got WON PROBLEM to deal with, and that's your FEARS, or shall we say your / our HUMAN NATURE. Same same as mine, only different, opposite. > I've got a cat, I've had many kats. > a pitbull I've only had WON pitbull X but I've trained many. One customer of the kennel had four dogs whom three of them were left with the housekeeper when they went on vacation but his Pit Bull was an escape artist and he couldn't trust him there and he couldn't trust him boarded at the kennel either because like I said, he was an escape ARTIST and would climb fences or chew through them. We put him in a run and worked the techniques on him every time he looked at the door or fence or roof and in a less than five minutes he learned he had no desire to challenge the fence and picked his spot and layed down and relaxed because I distracted and praised every thought he had about escaping. You can do THAT with those cats who cry and screech at the other cats outside. Same same for racing through or screaming in the house in the middle of the night. > and apparently children stuck to my > arm draining the blood out of me. Kids'll do that to ya, little bloodsuckers they are. Then I'd highly suggest you let the Pit Bull have the arm. JUST LIKE how Steve Irwin The Crock Hunter done when he got bit by that gator. Had he REACTED in FEAR or by REFLEX he'd of got spun into the drink and swallowed for breakfast. But he DIDN'T because HE TRAINED HIMSELF not to REFLEX when he gets bit, just like I do and that ALWAYS STOPS the attack because ANIMALS DO NOT ATTACK unless they're AFRAID or HUNGRY and fixin to EAT YOU. That gator wasn't HUNGRY enough to want to EAT HIM he was just defending himself from Steve's advances. > At least I don't take leeches as pets. Perhaps they can be fun to talk to, like fishes? "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them, you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears, one destroys." Chief Dan George > >> OK, let's try the easiest one; let's make it > >> multiple choice... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Then by all means xpost to alt.children and drag > it further off-topic. I've posted to a few of the kids groups and get pretty much THE SAME SAME reaction as I get from the animal lovers. It's ALL the same. I'll look into alt.children and see what it looks like. > >> You give help to people on Usenet; > > > > "G-D healps them who healps themselves" > > What variety of religion is that ? Is it in the > same category as "don't speak the devil's name" ? Pretty much, RPL. My manual trains parents to get the same same results with their kids as they do with their dogs kats birdies goats and horses using THE SAME SAME SAME SAME METHODS, RPL. Unconditional love trust and respect works on ALL critters, and if that takes time, no problem, we got CONDITIONAL REFLEX to instill 100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CON-TROLL, RPL. Using these methods you can move a critter around to any square you'd like on a checkerboard floor. > >>some of them don't know anything about the subject > >>at hand, some of them have bad attitudes. In order [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If you start yelling, most cats would run away > out of prudence, not fear. THINK ABOUT IT, RPL. If you're YELLIN that's INTENDED to SCARE and INTIMDIATE, not TEACH PRUDENCE. "Teaching PRUDENCE" would be using the METHODS I TEACH for FREE to teach the critter to NOT REFLEX to HIS FEARS just like how Steve Irwin does when he gets attacked (which BTW is A LOT more often than I'd get bit doin his work). It's EZ! You just gotta follow the method. > Do you mean "kats" as in "katsenjammer(sp?) kids" ? O.K., RPL. I'll conceed and call them CATS if that'll keep you talkin honest and rational, RPL. > I'm not familiar with the series beyond the name. It's an old newpaper cartoon series. Got nuthin to do with CATS though as I recall but I was never a big fan of that column. > >> a) call them names which makes them ignore you > >> because you're a troll ? You're obviously no student of HISTORY, RPL. The DOG LOVERS warn folks not to BELIEVE my Students REPORTS. They call them LIES and FORGERIES, RPL. That's why I had to DISCREDIT them by QUOTING THEIR LIES and ANIMAL ABUSES, RPL. And they DENY their own written words. What's that tell you? > > You're right. Only UNCONDITIONAL LOVE TRUST > > and RESPECT can CURE MENTAL ILLNESS and FEAR > > AGGRESSION, rpl. But FIRST, I HAD TO DISCREDIT EVERY EXPERT IN THE BUSINESS. And now that we've done that it's on with teachin folks how to do likeWIZE. > That's odd; I've been giving you benefit of the doubt Not WIZE, RPL. I don't rely on LUCK. "Luck is for SUCKERS," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <(@}; ~ ) > > and rather more respect than your misshapen > words deserve for several posts in a row now. Yeah. I find myself reading my own posts sometimes two or three times AFTER I've posted them. Took professor dermer under twenty minutes to a post that took me sixteen minutes to read and I'd just written it a half hour pryor. Here's professor dermer pryor: From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu) Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right? Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible. His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis. (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few regulars here who are either ill-tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.), --Marshall Here's professor dermer after gettin JERRYIZED: "We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work. God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer, Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI. > From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu> > To: "The Puppy Wizard" [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > --Marshall Dermer > -------------------------------------- > IMO, you've become slightly more coherent, Well thank you, RPL. I've improved myself thanks to YOU! > but much more abusive. Naah, I haven't been trying to be abusive to you, RPL, it's just the subject matter which arouses us: "Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom and right action as separate, not the wise. If any man knows one, he enjoys the fruit of both. The level which is reached by wisdom is attained through right action as well. He who perceives that the two are one knows the truth." "Even the wise man acts in character with his nature, inde |
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