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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / September 2005How much to feed a 4.5 lb cat?
Our cat is only 4.5 lb, not 6 lb everybody guessed when our bathroom scale was broken. I have been feeding her 5.5-6 oz of canned food daily (either one Friskies or two Fancy Feasts, split between two meals). Now I think it may be too much. How much should she get? I could cut it down to one Fancy Feast per day but that seems too little, or is it? Please weigh in ... Hugs, purrs, thanks ... >Our cat is only 4.5 lb, not 6 lb everybody guessed when our bathroom >scale was broken. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Please weigh in ... Hugs, purrs, thanks ... Unlike Dogs,Cats will eat only what they need. Feed her what she will eat. Take note of how much she consumes daily and base your feedings on that amount (twice a day feedings are best) If you do cut to one can per day,put a little dry food down for when the munchies kick in. Ray WebElder I don't "Suffer" from Insanity..I rather enjoy it! CATTS http://members.tripod.com/~thewebster/catts.html Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/9826/meshead.html >>Our cat is only 4.5 lb, not 6 lb everybody guessed when our bathroom >>scale was broken. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Ray > WebElder This is not correct -- it is a myth to say that cats will eat only what they need. There are *many* overweight cats, and it is usually for the same reason that we have overweight dogs and overweight people. That is, they eat too much and possibly exercise too little. It is just as important to monitor your cat's weight (and make appropriate adjustments) as it is to monitor your dog's weight. That is also one of the problems with free-feeding. It is impossible to know how much a cat consumes when he or she is free-fed. MaryL My cats -- Duffy: http://tinyurl.com/cslwf Holly: http://tinyurl.com/9t68o Duffy and Holly together: http://tinyurl.com/8b47e > > Unlike Dogs,Cats will eat only what they need. Feed her what she will > > eat. Take note of how much she consumes daily and base your feedings [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > This is not correct -- it is a myth to say that cats will eat only what they > need. I can vouch for this. Free feeding works for some but not others. I free feed until there is a problem with weight then switch to controled portions. > This is not correct -- it is a myth to say that cats will eat only what they > need. There are *many* overweight cats, and it is usually for the same [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > MaryL For all the years of our cats life I always fed our male cat as much as he wanted & he was never overweight. I thought all cats were like him & wouldn't over eat since he had no competition for food but I suspect cats are like humans...some will over eat & some won't. In the last few months before he died, he was eating 4-5 small cans a day & not gaining weight. >>>Our cat is only 4.5 lb, not 6 lb everybody guessed when our bathroom >>>scale was broken. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >Holly: http://tinyurl.com/9t68o >Duffy and Holly together: http://tinyurl.com/8b47e Actually it is less a myth than the fact that you are correct that not all Cats are the same. I would say that in the case of overweight Cats it tends to be more centered on their metabolism and activity levels rather than how much they consume. Two identical Cats can consume the same amount of food and both may show different weight gains due to different metabolism rates and not necessarily over-feeding. It is an exception to the rule that a Cat will "eat until it explodes" (unless it has worms)... >they eat too much and possibly exercise too little. In animals cases,where the display of suculant food is not the same as for Humans,I suggest it is not so much for the "overeating" but the "lack of excercise" and slow metabolism. (for whatever reason) Indeed,I must admit,that if your Cat is an exception to the rule and has very slow metabolism rates and few activities..then certainly control the food intake. I would rather free feed my Cats and have them a little overweight than for them to be consistanly hungry and seeking food much the same as you would not like to send your kids to bed slim,but hungry every night. Not to mention that being (within reason) overweight should not show any ill-effects on the Cat. Many overweight people live complete happy lives as do "slightly" overweight pets. And by "Free Feeding" I don't mean 10 lbs of food,but whaever the Pet will consume in one setting,with a little dry food left out for snacking. Ray WebElder I don't "Suffer" from Insanity..I rather enjoy it! CATTS http://members.tripod.com/~thewebster/catts.html Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/9826/meshead.html I would say that in the case of overweight Cats > it tends to be more centered on their metabolism and activity levels > rather than how much they consume. That's an utterly ridiculous statement! A cat will certainly gain weight if she consumes more calories than her daily energy requirement. > I would say that in the case of overweight Cats >> it tends to be more centered on their metabolism and activity levels >> rather than how much they consume. > >That's an utterly ridiculous statement! A cat will certainly gain weight >if she consumes more calories than her daily energy requirement. I though that was what I just said....... You can eat a ton of food without gaining excessive calories..just depends on the food. activity levels = daily energy requirements Ray WebElder I don't "Suffer" from Insanity..I rather enjoy it! CATTS http://members.tripod.com/~thewebster/catts.html Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/9826/meshead.html > > I would say that in the case of overweight Cats > >> it tends to be more centered on their metabolism and activity levels [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > I though that was what I just said....... No, you said: "in the case of overweight Cats it tends to be more centered on their metabolism and activity levels rather than how much they consume." If a cat was a marathon runner with a DER of 1000 kcals/day and she consumed 1200 kcals/day- she'll still gain weight. > You can eat a ton of food without gaining excessive calories..just > depends on the food. Maybe you can, but cats can't- even if the 'ton' consisted of entirely protein. Excess amino acids would be deaminated and the keto acids portions would be used for energy-- if the energy ain't used, the amino acids will be converted to glycogen or fat. > activity levels = daily energy requirements DER is determined by more than just activity level. A cat's DER is determined by age, neuter status, and activity level. >> > I would say that in the case of overweight Cats >> >> it tends to be more centered on their metabolism and activity levels [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >DER is determined by more than just activity level. A cat's DER is >determined by age, neuter status, and activity level. You been visiting those "expert" website again???? Ray WebElder I don't "Suffer" from Insanity..I rather enjoy it! CATTS http://members.tripod.com/~thewebster/catts.html Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/9826/meshead.html > On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:34:30 -0400, "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> > >> activity levels = daily energy requirements [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > You been visiting those "expert" website again???? Obviously, you haven't. >> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:34:30 -0400, "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> >> >> activity levels = daily energy requirements [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Obviously, you haven't. You are correct..I don't feel the need to quote other peoples material. Ray WebElder I don't "Suffer" from Insanity..I rather enjoy it! CATTS http://members.tripod.com/~thewebster/catts.html Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/9826/meshead.html > >> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:34:30 -0400, "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> > >> >> activity levels = daily energy requirements [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > You are correct..I don't feel the need to quote other peoples > material. Oh, you desperately have the need, alright. You're just too obtuse and egomaniacal to realize it. You really don't understand the concept of research, do you? That's why you're so ignorant about feline nutrition and post erroneous information and conjure up ridiculous theories. > Actually it is less a myth than the fact that you are correct that not > all Cats are the same. I would say that in the case of overweight Cats > it tends to be more centered on their metabolism and activity levels > rather than how much they consume You'd be wrong. (Sorry.) Some cats eat and eat and eat. As mentioned, Hodge, who is very active (I've never seen a cat run so fast and so much), is one of them, and ate himself to obesity. I'm sure there are many like him.  SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ >>>>Our cat is only 4.5 lb, not 6 lb everybody guessed when our bathroom >>>>scale was broken. [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > Home Page > http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/9826/meshead.html I would have to agree with this in that we have a cat that's overweight and she has always ate a normal amount of food. Cat was just lazy and some of it is in her genes. Mom was overweight too. > I would have to agree with this in that we have a > cat that's overweight and she has always ate a > normal amount of food. Cat was just lazy and some > of it is in her genes. Mom was overweight too. If she is overweight, then the 'normal amount of food' is too much. Try reducing her caloric intake in 10% increments. Cats maintained at their optimum weight live longer (if they don't develop other diseases). In fact optimum weight will prevent some diseases. Phil > Unlike Dogs,Cats will eat only what they need. You haven't met Hodge. He would eat and eat and eat 'til he exploded if he could. He went from being allowed to free feed (as had my previous cat), but now he gets 2/3 can of Hill's CD a day. He's stabilized at a good weight -- not his previous 17 lbs.! SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > >Our cat is only 4.5 lb, not 6 lb everybody guessed when our bathroom > >scale was broken. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Unlike Dogs,Cats will eat only what they need. You're wrong. Otherwise, kindly explain why >30% of pet cats are overweight or obese if they "only eat what they need"? >> >Our cat is only 4.5 lb, not 6 lb everybody guessed when our bathroom >> >scale was broken. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >or obese >if they "only eat what they need"? Lack of activity. Ray WebElder I don't "Suffer" from Insanity..I rather enjoy it! CATTS http://members.tripod.com/~thewebster/catts.html Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/9826/meshead.html > >> >Our cat is only 4.5 lb, not 6 lb everybody guessed when our bathroom > >> >scale was broken. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > > Lack of activity. Nope. If that was the case, then according to your previous statement: ("cats only eat what they need"), the cat would eat less because she needs less energy-- then she wouldn't be overweight to begin with, now, would she? LOL! >> >> >Our cat is only 4.5 lb, not 6 lb everybody guessed when our bathroom >> >> >scale was broken. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >eat what they need"), the cat would eat less because she needs less energy-- >then she wouldn't be overweight to begin with, now, would she? LOL! The statement "cats only eat what they need" refers to a Cat being full. Dogs will eat until they are sick..but Cats will stop when they have had enough to eat. To quote your own sources...30 to 40% of Cats are overweight..which means 70 to 60% are not and I assume they eat well. I still say that any average Cat,with an average activity level and average feedings,will stop eating when full even though there may be food still on the plate,and will not gain excessive weight via consuming too large a feeding. If they are overweight,is is usually due to the lifestyle. Ray WebElder Ray WebElder I don't "Suffer" from Insanity..I rather enjoy it! CATTS http://members.tripod.com/~thewebster/catts.html Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/9826/meshead.html > I still say that any average Cat,with an average activity level and > average feedings,will stop eating when full even though there may be > food still on the plate,and will not gain excessive weight via > consuming too large a feeding. You can say it all you want, but it's still not true. (The sky is green! It's green, I tell you! Green!) ;) SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > > I still say that any average Cat,with an average activity level and > > average feedings,will stop eating when full even though there may be [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > (The sky is green! It's green, I tell you! Green!) ;) Well actually, there's this place in Australia where the sky is green and the grass is blue, mais oui? About the 4.5 cat and free feeding. I wish that were true but not with my cat. I have seen another cat for whom it's true. But my cat pigged out on free feeding since she is a former street cat so maybe hard for her to be dainty when she sees food. : About the 4.5 cat and free feeding. I wish that were true but not with : my cat. I have seen another cat for whom it's true. But my cat pigged : out on free feeding since she is a former street cat so maybe hard for : her to be dainty when she sees food. I agree with you, former strays often eat excessively. carola <treeline12345@yahoo.com> wrote in message But my cat pigged > out on free feeding since she is a former street cat so maybe hard for > her to be dainty when she sees food You're probably right. Strays and ferals are used to feast or famine and/or competition for food, so some may tend to overeat during times of feast to prepare for times of famine. Even though former ferals and strays no longer go through times of famine, some take longer than others to adapt to the constant 'feast' of free-feeding before they're able to self-regulate their caloric intake. Some never adapt and will always overeat as long as unlimited food is available 24/7. In a single-cat, or multicat home with all easy keepers and self-regulators free-feeding might work. But in homes with one or more overeaters, free feeding almost always results in overweight or obese cats. >> I still say that any average Cat,with an average activity level and >> average feedings,will stop eating when full even though there may be [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >(The sky is green! It's green, I tell you! Green!) ;) I'm sorry,but is is true. Perhaps you are having difficulty with your Cats,but I have never had an overweight Cat..so I must be doing something right. I don't "Suffer" from Insanity..I rather enjoy it! CATTS http://members.tripod.com/~thewebster/catts.html Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/9826/meshead.html I have never had an overweight Cat..so I must be doing > something right. LOL! That's hardly the case! You're just *lucky* and happened to have easy keepers that are in the 60-70% percentile of cats that can self-regulate their intake. So, don't try to steal your cats' glory and take credit for something you had absolutely nothing to do with. > I have never had an overweight Cat..so I must be doing > > something right. > > LOL! That's hardly the case! You're just *lucky* and happened to have easy > keepers that are in the 60-70% percentile of cats that can self-regulate > their intake. It's funny you should say that in those terms, because that's exactly what my veterinarian said to me about Pudge -- that I'd been lucky to have had a self-regulating cat, but that Hodge, like "many cats," was "prone to overeating and obesity." (His exact words.) SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > > I have never had an overweight Cat..so I must be doing > > > something right. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > have had a self-regulating cat, but that Hodge, like "many cats," was > "prone to overeating and obesity." (His exact words.) I work with 3- sometimes 4 vets and my private vet is retired vet professor who stays in touch with several of his former students. They all say the same thing: The vast majority of their clients' cats self-regulate their caloric intake and its just a matter of luck if you happened to have a self-regulator. So your vet is right on the money. Phil >> > I have never had an overweight Cat..so I must be doing >> > > something right. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Phil Your reply was to Diane..but since you seem fit to insinuate yourself in my replies to others..I must ask you here: If a "vast majority" of Cats are "self=regulators" and we have established that 70% are..then why would it be "luck" to have such as Cat. I don't find 70% as needing luck.... >he vast majority of their clients' cats self-regulate their >caloric intake Hey,moron..this is exactly what I said in the beginning before you had to stoke your ego and make a feeble attempt to discredit me. I don't "Suffer" from Insanity..I rather enjoy it! CATTS http://members.tripod.com/~thewebster/catts.html Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/9826/meshead.html > >> > I have never had an overweight Cat..so I must be doing > >> > > something right. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Your reply was to Diane..but since you seem fit to insinuate yourself > in my replies to others..I must ask you here: This is Usenet, Bozo- its an open forum- If you want to conduct private conversations- take it to email. > If a "vast majority" of Cats are "self=regulators" and we have > established that 70% are..then why would it be "luck" to have such as > Cat. I don't find 70% as needing luck.... Duh! Because you didn't get one of the 30-40%% cats that aren't self-regulators. You wouldn't need luck *only* if *all* cats were self-regulators. You really aren't very bright, are you? (rhetorical question). > >he vast majority of their clients' cats self-regulate their > >caloric intake > > Hey,moron..this is exactly what I said No it isn't, moron. You said: "Cats will stop when they have had enough to eat". You also said you've never had a cat with an eating problem because "I [you] must be doing something right". Both are utterly stupid statements. in the beginning before you > had to stoke your ego and make a feeble attempt to discredit me. I don't have to discredit you- You're doing thorough job of it all by yourself! LOL! >> I have never had an overweight Cat..so I must be doing >> > something right. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >have had a self-regulating cat, but that Hodge, like "many cats," was >"prone to overeating and obesity." (His exact words.) Well then..exercise the Cat for Christ sake and he will not be obese. "self-regulating Cat"..ie: cat that doesn't overeat. I though that is what I have been saying all along? And it seem up to 70% are cats that don't overeat. The other 30% are obese for the same reason Humans are..lazy. If 70% of cats are self regulating..seems that "luck" had nothing to do with it....majority of cats are self regulating (something certain morons (not you) seem incapable of understanding. Ray I don't "Suffer" from Insanity..I rather enjoy it! CATTS http://members.tripod.com/~thewebster/catts.html Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/9826/meshead.html > If 70% of cats are self regulating..seems that "luck" had nothing to > do with it....majority of cats are self regulating (something certain > morons (not you) seem incapable of understanding. Hey moron- You wouldn't need luck *only* if *100%* of cats were self-regulators. Anything less than 100% requires luck. You aren't very bright, are you? >I have never had an overweight Cat..so I must be doing >> something right. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >their intake. So, don't try to steal your cats' glory and take credit for >something you had absolutely nothing to do with. Amazing..seems most people are just "lucky" to have "keepers". <lol> "Steel my Cats glory"...haw the hell cou;ld I if I were not correct? How can I take credit for something that doesn't happen...slick? I don't "Suffer" from Insanity..I rather enjoy it! CATTS http://members.tripod.com/~thewebster/catts.html Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/9826/meshead.html > >I have never had an overweight Cat..so I must be doing > >> something right. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > "Steel my Cats glory"...haw the hell cou;ld I if I were not correct? You had nothing to do with your cat's ability to self-regulate- yet you boast that you must be doing something right. > How can I take credit for something that doesn't happen...slick? You said you never had a cat with an eating problem- so " I [you] must be doing something right'. You're obviously trying to take credit for something you had nothing to do with. Now, you seem to be changing your story because you realize your previous statements were utterly stupid and erroneous. But don't worry- I don't think anyone will notice your flip-flop. LOL! > I'm sorry,but is is true. Perhaps you are having difficulty with your > Cats,but I have never had an overweight Cat..so I must be doing > something right. Well, your never having an overweight cat means . . . that you've never had an overweight cat. Anecdotal evidence (joined to the bizarre conclusion that you must be doing something right) is meaningless, as you probably well know. BTW, my veterinarian says many cats are prone to overeating and obesity. My current cat is one. He said I was "lucky" with my first one, that she did not overeat. And she was far less active than the current one, a rambunctious, half-wild, young male. Who bloats in days if you let him free-feed. So I don't let him any more. Which means I'm doing something right -- I listened to someone who know what they were talking about. ;) SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > > I'm sorry,but is is true. Perhaps you are having difficulty with your > > Cats,but I have never had an overweight Cat..so I must be doing [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > conclusion that you must be doing something right) is meaningless, as > you probably well know. I really get a kick out of characters like "WebElder" who think they're born experts or have that 'special knack'- or that instinctive 'something' that miraculously tells them just what to do and what not to do to have a cat with no feeding or behavioral problems. The thought that they're just one of the lucky ones who just happened *by chance* to have a cat- like the majority of cats- that don't have feeding or behavior problems never entered their minds! LOL! They take all the credit for their cat's *naturally* good behavior- which they had absolutely *nothing* to do with. Even though they never had to deal with or correct a feeding and/or behavior problem- and never studied feline behavior or nutrition- they're thoroughly convinced they're eminently qualified to give (erroneous and astonishingly bad) advice- because they 'must be doing something right' to have cats with no problems. Can't get any more clueless than that. LOL! Phil >> > I'm sorry,but is is true. Perhaps you are having difficulty with your >> > Cats,but I have never had an overweight Cat..so I must be doing [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >miraculously tells them just what to do and what not to do to have a cat >with no feeding or behavioral problems. The thought that someone might have a better ability with cats hurts you doesn't it? Oh well...get over it and learn something you cannot read in books and websites. The thought that they're just one >of the lucky ones who just happened *by chance* to have a cat- like the >majority of cats- that don't have feeding or behavior problems never entered >their minds! LOL! I had a 70% chance it appears. "like the majority of Cats" (duh,moron..you finally admit it<lol>) If you have a feeding problem..get educated and learn how to care for cats. By the way..many people do have a "special knack"..don't you? I don't believe cats are born with feeding or behavioral problems..its idiots like you that think you way that give them the problems that you then fork over big bucks to the "experts" to solve. >They take all the credit for their cat's *naturally* good behavior- which >they had absolutely *nothing* to do with. Even though they never had to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >'must be doing something right' to have cats with no problems. Can't get any >more clueless than that. LOL! You have been looking into the mirror again..this description fits you to a 't"... If you have "studied" <lol> feline behavior and nutrition..why the need to quote websites exclusively? Did you flunk your studies? I have cats with no problems..thanks. Cannot you do the same with all your education and experience with cats? One would think with your self professed expertise that you too would have cats that are in the 70% percentile like the "vast majority" (70%) us do...perhaps you should "get a clue"?? >Phil I don't "Suffer" from Insanity..I rather enjoy it! CATTS http://members.tripod.com/~thewebster/catts.html Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/9826/meshead.html > >> > I'm sorry,but is is true. Perhaps you are having difficulty with your > >> > Cats,but I have never had an overweight Cat..so I must be doing [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > you doesn't it? Oh well...get over it and learn something you cannot > read in books and websites. You just proved my point, Bozo! You had *absolutely nothing* to do with your cats' capacity to self-regulate their intake. Yet in your simple mind you're thoroughly convinced that you're endowed with some kind of special knack or divine wisdom that gives you some kind of miraculous ability. Clueless, egomaniacal fools like you really make me laugh! ROTFL! > The thought that they're just one > >of the lucky ones who just happened *by chance* to have a cat- like the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I had a 70% chance it appears. "like the majority of Cats" > (duh,moron..you finally admit it<lol>) That's right, Bozo. You were just *lucky*- that's *all*-- It isn't that you 'must be doing something right". You had absolutely nothing to do with it. > If you have a feeding problem..get educated That's funny- actually hypocritical- coming from an idiot who doesn't believe in research. LOL! and learn how to care for > cats. By the way..many people do have a "special knack"..don't you? You *still* don't get it! Man, are you obtuse! That's why you're so ignorant. LOL! You *don't* have a special knack, Bozo- you were just *lucky* and just happened- *by chance* to have cats that self-regulate their intake. I know you desperately want to take the credit- but you can't have it. LOL! > I don't believe cats are born with feeding or behavioral problems That's because you're an idiot and don't know any better. ..its > idiots > like you that think you way Another utterly stupid statement! Explain my way of thinking. that give them the problems that > you then fork over big bucks to the "experts" to solve. Wow! You really are a clueless fool! You don't have a clue about what you're talking about. You just babble to have something to say. I'm the one who gets stuck with the problems that people like you with those special knacks, create. > >They take all the credit for their cat's *naturally* good behavior- which > >they had absolutely *nothing* to do with. Even though they never had to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You have been looking into the mirror again..this description fits you > to a 't"... Typical grade school response from a clueless idiot who has nothing intelligent to say. > If you have "studied" <lol> feline behavior and nutrition..why the > need to quote websites exclusively? You still don't understand the concept of providing references to support your statements, do you, Bozo? That's one of the reasons why you're so ignorant. The other reason is because you're an utter fool who doesn't think you have to do research because you actually believe you're a born expert. LOL! You don't have any credibility because you can't support your utterly stupid theories with any references. > I have cats with no problems..thanks. As I said, you are simply *lucky*- that's *all*. Cannot you do the same with all > your education and experience with cats? One would think with your > self professed expertise that you too would have cats that are in the > 70% percentile like the "vast majority" (70%) us do... You still don't get it, do you, Bozo? You sure are one obtuse fool. You're trying to take credit for something you had nothing to do with. > >> >> >Our cat is only 4.5 lb, not 6 lb everybody guessed when our bathroom > >> >> >scale was broken. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > The statement "cats only eat what they need" refers to a Cat being > full. That's a ridiculous convolution of your previous ridiculous statement. You meant exactly what you said the first time. You're trying to convolute the meaning of your statement because it's been proven to be wrong. Many cats certainly *do* eat more than they need. Dogs will eat until they are sick..but Cats will stop when they > have had enough to eat. That's another ridiculous statement. An overweight or obese cat also stops eating when she's had 'enough to eat'. "Enough" for an overweight cat is obviously too much- otherwise she wouldn't be overweight, now would she? > To quote your own sources...30 to 40% of Cats are overweight..which > means 70 to 60% are not and I assume they eat well. The 30 to 40% of overweight and obese cats proves your theory is wrong. Many cats certainly *do* eat more than they need. > I still say that any average Cat,with an average activity level and > average feedings,will stop eating when full But that's not what this discussion is about, slick. Easy keepers aren't the problem- the 30-40% that aren't easy keepers are. >> >> >> >Our cat is only 4.5 lb, not 6 lb everybody guessed when our >bathroom [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >meaning of your statement because it's been proven to be wrong. Many cats >certainly *do* eat more than they need. Proven by who? Your "experts"?? Do you always follow what you read,or can you think for yourself? I know by the last time I tried to educate you that you seem to be incapable of formulating a theory of your own. Virtually every sentence of your post was quoted from other websites of "experts". Well,I don't take for granted what "experts" have to say about anything. I make my statements from my own evaluations. And please..try to curb your nasty attitude when you get frustrated when attempting to disprove what I say. Trolls do this..I would have thought you would be above it. >Dogs will eat until they are sick..but Cats will stop when they >> have had enough to eat. > >That's another ridiculous statement. An overweight or obese cat also stops >eating when she's had 'enough to eat'. "Enough" for an overweight cat is >obviously too much- otherwise she wouldn't be overweight, now would she? The overweight Cat may well be overweight due to its lifestyle..not to overeating. Why do you have so much trouble comprehending this?? I have a Cat that would be considered "overweight"..but she eats very little,and stays inactive most of the time. I have other Cats that eats until she is full,but retains a low weight because she is very active and seldom slows down. >> To quote your own sources...30 to 40% of Cats are overweight..which >> means 70 to 60% are not and I assume they eat well. > >The 30 to 40% of overweight and obese cats proves your theory is >wrong. Many cats certainly *do* eat more than they need. The 30 to 40% overweight Cats are,again,obese because of their lifestyle. Not necessarily from overeating. >> I still say that any average Cat,with an average activity level and >> average feedings,will stop eating when full > >But that's not what this discussion is about, slick. Easy keepers aren't the >problem- the 30-40% that aren't easy keepers are. Yes it is what the discussion is about. Those 30 to 40% of obese Cats would not be obese,regardless of what amount of food they consume,if their lifestyles were sufficient to offset the food consumption.Bigger eaters..more play and exercise.Are you the kind that would starve your Kid because he/she might be a little overweight? If your Cats "pig's out" then more activity is warranted.Not cutting back on food intake to solve the problem.Take more time out of your busy day to excerise your pets. A good number of Humans that are overweight do not overeat...if you can understand this concept,then you will understand how this applies to animals too. Also,people that "watch their calories" can still gain weight so this is not from overeating. This concern with weight (within reason) is stupid and stems from the same stupid theory that Humans should all be slim to be healthy. A little weight gain will not hurt anyone or any pet.In fact I would rather have a plump Cat that a "skin & bones" animal that would be prone to illness. Keep reading your "expert" material and be a follower that cannot think for themselves. Remember,DDT was good for you... Ray WebElder I don't "Suffer" from Insanity..I rather enjoy it! CATTS http://members.tripod.com/~thewebster/catts.html Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/9826/meshead.html > >> >> >> >Our cat is only 4.5 lb, not 6 lb everybody guessed when our > >bathroom [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Proven by who? Your "experts"?? Proven by the 30-40% of cats that are overweight or obese. That's who. Do you always follow what you read,or > can you think for yourself? Here's how the learning process works- since you don't know: I study the literature of many people highly trained and educated in veterinary nutrition for many years and then form my own conclusions and theories based on that research and my experience. So where does your fountain of knowledge come from? since you obviously haven't researched feline behavior and nutrition. > I know by the last time I tried to educate you You educate me? ROTFL! When it comes to feline nutrition, you're still in kindergarten while I'm in college. that you seem to be > incapable of formulating a theory of your own. Virtually every > sentence of your post was quoted from other websites of "experts". That's called backing up my statements with references from people highly trained in feline nutrition and behavior. > Well,I don't take for granted what "experts" have to say about > anything. I make my statements from my own evaluations. You're evaluation process is flawed because you don't have an adequate education and understanding of feline nutrition and behavior. Your silly statements prove that fact. You're just too obtuse and egomaniacal to accept it. > And please..try to curb your nasty attitude when you get frustrated > when attempting to disprove what I say. Trolls do this..I would have > thought you would be above it. I just have little patience and regard for obtuse people like you who think they know what they're talking about when they don't and refuse to listen to someone who is obviously much more informed and experienced. > >Dogs will eat until they are sick..but Cats will stop when they > >> have had enough to eat. > > > >That's another ridiculous statement. An overweight or obese cat also stops > >eating when she's had 'enough to eat'. "Enough" for an overweight cat is > >obviously too much- otherwise she wouldn't be overweight, now would she? > The overweight Cat may well be overweight due to its lifestyle..not to > overeating. Why do you have so much trouble comprehending this?? Why do you have so much trouble comprehending the fact that an overweight cat is obviously overeating for her lifestyle? Basic Feline nutrition 101: Obesity results when energy intake exceeds energy requirements. When you fully understand that principle, I'll give you your next lesson. Your 5 minutes for this lesson are up. <nonsense snipped> "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message > You educate me? ROTFL! When it comes to feline nutrition, you're still in > kindergarten while I'm in college. Actually, you're both in the a.shole class. > "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message > > > > You educate me? ROTFL! When it comes to feline nutrition, you're still in > > kindergarten while I'm in college. > > Actually, you're both in the a.shole class. Its always a pleasure to receive constructive criticism from the moron class. >> "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Its always a pleasure to receive constructive criticism from the moron >class. Did you read that at an "expert" "highly trained" website too? I don't "Suffer" from Insanity..I rather enjoy it! CATTS http://members.tripod.com/~thewebster/catts.html Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/9826/meshead.html > >> "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message > >> > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > Did you read that at an "expert" "highly trained" website too? Ignorant fools like you usually are sour grapes- Criticism of knowledge you don't have is classic sour grapes. > Do you always follow what you read,or >> can you think for yourself? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >knowledge come from? since you obviously haven't researched feline behavior >and nutrition. "Highly trained"? or "self appointed"? >> I know by the last time I tried to educate you > >You educate me? ROTFL! When it comes to feline nutrition, you're still in >kindergarten while I'm in college. Your ego is showing through...as it does with most who actually have the least to offer. I wonder what you would do if you couldn't copy from others? >that you seem to be >> incapable of formulating a theory of your own. Virtually every >> sentence of your post was quoted from other websites of "experts". > >That's called backing up my statements with references from people highly >trained in feline nutrition and behavior. Anybody can start a website and claim to be highly trained...such as you do. >> Well,I don't take for granted what "experts" have to say about >> anything. I make my statements from my own evaluations. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >accept >it. Its called experience..something you seem to lack. >> And please..try to curb your nasty attitude when you get frustrated >> when attempting to disprove what I say. Trolls do this..I would have [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >they know what they're talking about when they don't and refuse to >listen to someone who is obviously much more informed and experienced. Then why not mind your own business? What an ego from someone who cannot speak for themselves... >> >Dogs will eat until they are sick..but Cats will stop when they >> >> have had enough to eat. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Basic Feline nutrition 101: Obesity results when energy intake exceeds >energy requirements. Thats what I said...only you cannot understand it unless you were to read it on a website. >When you fully understand that principle, I'll give you your next lesson. >Your 5 minutes for this lesson are up. > ><nonsense snipped> Moron snipped.. I don't "Suffer" from Insanity..I rather enjoy it! CATTS http://members.tripod.com/~thewebster/catts.html Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/9826/meshead.html > > Do you always follow what you read,or > >> can you think for yourself? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > "Highly trained"? or "self appointed"? Diplomates of the American College of Veterinary Nutritionists and Diplomates of the American College of Veterinary Behaviorists are indeed highly trained experts, Bozo. But you have no need to study feline nutrition and behavior- you think you're a born expert with a special knack for training cats how to self-regulate themselves. LOL! > >> I know by the last time I tried to educate you > > > >You educate me? ROTFL! When it comes to feline nutrition, you're still in > >kindergarten while I'm in college. > > Your ego is showing through... Actually, its obvious that its you're ego that's bruised because you made a fool of yourself. LOL! as it does with most who actually have > the least to offer. I wonder what you would do if you couldn't copy > from others? Awww, shucks, you're just saying that because you're jealous and can't provide references to back up your utterly stupid, idiotic statements. Idiots like you always attack the messenger when they can't defeat the message. > >that you seem to be > >> incapable of formulating a theory of your own. Virtually every > >> sentence of your post was quoted from other websites of "experts". > > > >That's called backing up my statements with references from people highly > >trained in feline nutrition and behavior. > > Anybody can start a website and claim to be highly trained...such as > you do. You have a reading comprehension disorder-maybe that's why you're so uninformed and ignorant. The references I quoted in our first encounter were cited from veterinary behavior texts written by ACVB Diplomates, fool. You on the other hand, couldn't back up a *single* statement you made-- and you *still* can't! LOL! > >> Well,I don't take for granted what "experts" have to say about > >> anything. I make my statements from my own evaluations. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Its called experience..something you seem to lack. You have no idea of how much of a fool you're making of yourself. LOL! Either you're new to cat newsgroups or you're just a monumental moron. I'll just sit back and enjoy watching you make a fool of yourself and blabber on about things you know absolutely nothing about. Tell me more about my lack of experience, Bozo. LOL! > >> And please..try to curb your nasty attitude when you get frustrated > >> when attempting to disprove what I say. Trolls do this..I would have [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > Then why not mind your own business? This is a public forum, Bozo- Haven't you noticed or aren't you normally that observant? What an ego from someone who > cannot speak for themselves... I not only speak for myself- I back up what I speak-- You can't because you're a fool and think you're some kind of born expert- born with some magical abilities to train cats to self-regulate. > >> >Dogs will eat until they are sick..but Cats will stop when they > >> >> have had enough to eat. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Thats what I said... No it isn't. Do you have an attention disorder or are you just a sleazy, backpedaling liar? You said "Cats will stop when they have had enough to eat" and obesity results from lifestyle not overeating. -Two utterly asinine statements. "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message > No it isn't. Do you have an attention disorder or are you just a sleazy, > backpedaling liar? You said "Cats will stop when they have had enough to > eat" and obesity results from lifestyle not overeating. -Two utterly asinine > statements. If either of you two idiots took the time to examine this subject, you'd realize that you're both talking about two different things. One of you is saying that cats don't overeat until they make themselves sick and the other one is saying that cats may eat more than they need which puts on excessive weight, they just don't make themselves physically sick doing it. The problem is that both of you are right about what you're saying - within the confines of your arguments, just that you're both too damned pig headed to give any consideration to the other's point of view. > "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > the confines of your arguments, just that you're both too damned pig headed > to give any consideration to the other's point of view. This is the first thing you have said that is not idiotic. This is encouraging. Otherwise you will give all us idiots a bad name. And admit it. Of everybody you defame, you are probably the most pig-headed! Come on. You're really proud of your nastiness! It's probably what keeps you alive. By the way, Phil P. actually has technical knowledge, so be nice to him. We need at least one person posting who knows something. And he also takes care of sick cats. And we need one person who actually helps sick cats posting! So behave. > > "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message > > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > This is the first thing you have said that is not idiotic. Actually, it was idiotic because his understanding of the discussion is all wrong. Although is it rather difficult to follow the blathering of WebElder because he constantly flip-flops. > "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > one is saying that cats may eat more than they need which puts on excessive > weight, they just don't make themselves physically sick doing it. I realize its difficult for you to follow what WebElder is saying because he keeps changing his position after I point out where he was wrong, but you're not exactly the brightest bulb in the lamp, either, because you obviously don't understand what he said. This has nothing to do about cats overeating until they get sick. First he said 'cats stop eating when they had enough'. The context in which that statement was used implies cats self-regulate their caloric intake- which is true, but only for 60-70% of the cats. Secondly, he said overweight are so because of their lifestyle, not because they eat too much- which is ridiculous and contradicts his first statement that 'cats stop eating when they enough". Cats that are overweight, are so because their caloric intake exceeds their energy expenditure. Sedentary cats have a lower daily energy requirement than an active cat. That should be easy enough even for you to understand. Finally, he said he never had an overweight cat so he "must be doing something right"- implying he has some special knack that others lack for getting their cats to self-regulate their caloric intake. The fact of the matter is he was simply lucky because he just happened- *by chance* to have cats that are in the 60-70% percentile of cats that do self-regulate their intake. All the rest of his blathering is merely a red herring and convolution to confuse the issue and draw attention away from the fact that he was wrong about nearly everything he said and that he doesn't have a clue about feline nutrition or behavior. He's thinks he's one of those born experts who doesn't need to study feline nutrition and behavior because he was born with that special knack that instinctively tells him exactly what to do and what not do. He obviously mistakes luck for skill and knowledge. Does that clear things up for you- or you need diagrams? > I realize its difficult for you to follow what WebElder is saying because he > keeps changing his position I noticed that, too. When his argument changed a half dozen times, I quit. I think he's just trolling at this point. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > > I realize its difficult for you to follow what WebElder is saying because he > > keeps changing his position > > I noticed that, too. When his argument changed a half dozen times, I > quit. I think he's just trolling at this point. I think he's just in denial. He's having a rough time accepting the painful reality that he doesn't have that special knack or instinct or unique ability to raise problem-free cats that he thought he did. I think his ego is shattered because he's starting to realize that his cats don't have eating problems because that's just how they are and not because he had anything to do with it. I think he's starting to realize he's not the born expert he thought he was so he's is trying to convolute the discussion so no one else will notice that he really doesn't know what he's talking about. That's why he keeps changing his position in every other post. Its the old 'If you can't impress them with intelligence, baffle them with bullshit" ploy! LOL! "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message > I realize its difficult for you to follow what WebElder is saying because he > keeps changing his position after I point out where he was wrong, but you're > not exactly the brightest bulb in the lamp, either, because you obviously > don't understand what he said. Either way, thank you for confirming your status as just another self important a.shole. Say what you want, I won't see it, you're filtered. > "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Either way, thank you for confirming your status as just another self > important a.shole. Say what you want, I won't see it, you're filtered. Sadly Upscale, by blocking Phil P. you will miss out on a very valuable source of information. I am sorry, but I dont agree. I,too,have blocked Phil P.(sadly. you still get to see some of his remarks though) I didnt care for his attitude toward others when they disagreed with his opinion. He's not a vet, from what I hear, so I take what he said with a grain of salt. >> "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message >> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Sadly Upscale, by blocking Phil P. you will miss out on a very valuable > source of information. > I am sorry, but I dont agree. I,too,have blocked Phil P.(sadly. you still > get to see some of his remarks though) > I didnt care for his attitude toward others when they disagreed with his > opinion. He's not a vet, from what I hear, so I take what he said with a > grain of salt. To each their own, I've been through many of the circumstances he comments on, and he's been dead on in my book. As for attitude, well hey look around... seriously though I've only ever seen him attack a.sholes or those who feel they can freely provide idiotic advice to people who seek experienced advice, and to that I say good on him! As you say, to each his own... >> I am sorry, but I dont agree. I,too,have blocked Phil P.(sadly. you > still [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > a.sholes or those who feel they can freely provide idiotic advice to > people who seek experienced advice, and to that I say good on him! > I am sorry, but I dont agree. I,too,have blocked Phil P.(sadly. you still > get to see some of his remarks though) With your level of stupidity- you need all the help you can get. > I didnt care for his attitude toward others when they disagreed with his > opinion. Of course you didn't! You knew that all the sh.t I gave the bozo who declawed her cat also applied to you because you also declawed all your cats. You're not smart enough to train your cats where to scratch so you disjointed them. He's not a vet, from what I hear, so I take what he said with a > grain of salt. Better to listen to a vet who talked you into declawing all your cats rather than teaching you how to train them. "Trish" <trish738@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:OcJSe.700 > Sadly Upscale, by blocking Phil P. you will miss out on a very valuable > source of information. Maybe so, but it's obvious to me that his arrogance and poor social skills are quite sufficient to cause a good number of people to discard anything valuable he might have to say. The method of delivery is just as important, if not more so than the content. As a soon to be owner of a new kitten I joined this newsgroup seeking some simple information and friendly advice. I've had a cat before, it's just been a number of years so I thought I'd update some of my knowledge. Aside from very few congenial individuals here like Dr Carla, I've found most inhabitants of this newsgroup to be bickering, crude, obnoxious people with all the tact of slugs. I'm most certainly not new to newsgroups, but from what I've seen here, I know this atmosphere is not a place I want to be. It brings out the worst in me. So say good riddance or whatever, I'm gone. > Maybe so, but it's obvious to me that his arrogance and poor > social skills are quite sufficient to cause a good number of > people to discard anything valuable he might have to say. The > method of delivery is just as important, if not more so than the > content. Phil was a huge help to me years ago when I had a cat who got sick, but he also gets hugely emotional if what happens doesn't meet his standards. I had a bad vet and very bad things happened to my cat as a result of it, and he blamed me. He's called me names ever since. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > > Maybe so, but it's obvious to me that his arrogance and poor > > social skills are quite sufficient to cause a good number of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > standards. I had a bad vet and very bad things happened to my cat as > a result of it, and he blamed me. He's called me names ever since. whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa he called me a bad name whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa > Phil was a huge help to me years ago when I had a cat who got sick, > but he also gets hugely emotional if what happens doesn't meet his > standards. You're goddam right! After your vet's first monumental blunder- I was very worried about your cat's care. After the second blunder, I was extremely worried. After the third- I was seriously worried and began to have doubts about your mental capacity. Look like I was right. You are indeed one f.cked up bitch. What reasonably intelligent person would bring their cat back to a vet that made *three* life-threatening blunders *in a row*. > I had a bad vet and very bad things happened to my cat Which wouldn't have happened if you weren't a fool. as > a result of it, and he blamed me. And *rightly* so. *You* are responsible for Shadow's death. You kept bringing Shadow back to that incompetent vet blunder after blunder until she finally killed him by transfusing him with blood from a cat that was infected with feline leukemia. You had more than enough warning signs about that vet- but you just kept bringing Shadow back for more torment until she finally killed him. I hope the guilt haunts you for the rest of your life. >He's called me names ever since. I didn't blame you or mention your monumental stupidity and incredibly poor judgment until you started sh.t with me - so don't play the innocent victim, *a.shole*. > "Trish" <trish738@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:OcJSe.700 > > > > Sadly Upscale, by blocking Phil P. you will miss out on a very valuable > > source of information. > > Maybe so, but it's obvious to me that his arrogance and poor social skills It looks like you're not smart enough to know the difference between arrogance and aplomb or notice that I adjust my 'social skills' to suit whoever I'm talking to. In your case, I set my social skill meter on the 'a.shole' setting. > As a soon to be owner of a new kitten On no! Don't get a kitten- you're not smart enough. Get an adult cat. > Aside from very few congenial individuals here like Dr Carla, I've found > most inhabitants of this newsgroup to be bickering, crude, obnoxious people > with all the tact of slugs. Then you should feel right at home! I gotta laugh at sanctimonious, self-rightous, hypocritical a.sholes like you! You haven't posted one polite or intelligent post since you've been here, a.shole. To wit: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- "Upscale" <upscale@rogers.com> wrote in message news:nPKdnXBVldQAdIXeRVn-og@rogers.com... > "rpl" <plinnane3REMOVE@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message > > AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaboratory@HushMail.Com wrote: > > Congratulations. You're excessive rhetoric and comments to puppy whizzer has > qualified you as a minor troll. You're filtered just like all the other > garbage. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Upscale" <upscale@rogers.com> wrote in message news:-YOdnZ2dnZ3NPNugnZ2dnVsAhN6dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@rogers.com...> "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message > > You educate me? ROTFL! When it comes to feline nutrition, you're still in > > kindergarten while I'm in college. > > Actually, you're both in the a.shole class. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------- Upscale" <upscale@rogers.com> wrote in message news:cv6dnTrukNn2VofenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@rogers.com...> "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message > > No it isn't. Do you have an attention disorder or are you just a sleazy, > > backpedaling liar? You said "Cats will stop when they have had enough to > > eat" and obesity results from lifestyle not overeating. -Two utterly > asinine [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > realize that you're both talking about two different things. One of you is > saying that cats don't overeat until they make themselves sick and the other > one is saying that cats may eat more than they need which puts on excessive > weight, they just don't make themselves physically sick doing it. > > The problem is that both of you are right about what you're saying - within > the confines of your arguments, just that you're both too damned pig headed > to give any consideration to the other's point of view. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ You conclusion was all wrong because you couldn't even follow the conversation- idiot ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- "Upscale" <upscale@rogers.com> wrote in message news:37KdnZpIBtDNz4beRVn-iA@rogers.com... > "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message > > > > I realize its difficult for you to follow what WebElder is saying because > he > > keeps changing his position after I point out where he was wrong, but > you're > > not exactly the brightest bulb in the lamp, either, because you obviously > > don't understand what he said. > > Either way, thank you for confirming your status as just another self > important a.shole. Say what you want, I won't see it, you're filtered. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ Oh, you'll see this, a.shole. > "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Either way, thank you for confirming your status as just another self > important a.shole. Naa, I just know how to read and follow a discussion. When you get a little older, maybe you will, too. >Say what you want, I won't see it, you're filtered. Gotta laugh at jerks like you who snipe and run - bury their head in the sand, and have a desperate need to announce who you kill-filled because you don't want anyone to think the other person got the better of you. LOL! You're were just fart in the wind anyway- loud noise with no substance. > I know by the last time I tried to educate you that you seem to be > incapable of formulating a theory of your own. You haven't provided any "education," just blanket statements that simply aren't true. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ >> I know by the last time I tried to educate you that you seem to be >> incapable of formulating a theory of your own. > >You haven't provided any "education," just blanket statements that >simply aren't true. And exactly what position are you in to make such a statement? Are you an 'expert" also? Or do you also get your information from other sell appointed experts? Ray I don't "Suffer" from Insanity..I rather enjoy it! CATTS http://members.tripod.com/~thewebster/catts.html Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/9826/meshead.html > Our cat is only 4.5 lb, not 6 lb everybody guessed when our bathroom > scale was broken. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Please weigh in ... Hugs, purrs, thanks ... First, you need to get some accurate baby scales. Your cat is so small that you need scales that weigh in small increments so you can monitor her weight closely. I have Tanita, model #1583. It was fairly expensive, but Tanita makes a number of accurate, easy-to-use scales. The model I have is a baby scale, has a tare function to eliminate weight of towel or carrier, and has a large footprint so it is easy to place the cat on the bed of the scale. Once you have a good set of scales, you can experiment a bit to see if variation in food permits her weight remains stable. I use primarily Wellness canned food. Both Holly and Duffy get 1/3 of a 5.5 oz can twice a day (total of 2/3 can per day for each cat), and their weight has remained absolutely stable. They also get a small amount of Wellness dry every few days as a "treat" and an occasional small quantity of tuna for the same reason. Holly weighs a little more than 9 lbs., and Duffy weighs a little more than 8 lbs. A can of Wellness has approximately 190-200 kcal per 6 oz. can. This means that my cats get approximately 65 kcal per meal, and it is maintaining them perfectly. In my opinion (and based on the fact that my cats maintain their weight on fewer than the recommended calories), I think the general recommendation of kcal per pound is too high, especially for an indoor cat that is fairly inactive. I think this is also true of other pet foods. I have found that the "recommendations" given by most cat-food companies is too high in calories and will cause weight gain. At the same time, I would like to point out that I am not an expert on this and am only working from my own experience. MaryL My cats -- Duffy: http://tinyurl.com/cslwf Holly: http://tinyurl.com/9t68o Duffy and Holly together: http://tinyurl.com/8b47e >>Our cat is only 4.5 lb, not 6 lb everybody guessed when our bathroom >>scale was broken. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > closely. I have Tanita, model #1583. It was fairly expensive, but Tanita > makes a number of accurate, easy-to-use scales. Oh please. It easy to determine if a cat is fat without expensive baby scales. And for a cat that small free feeding is ok. Clinically many vets follow the guidelines outlined on the chart copied on this website: http://www.cathelp-online.com/health/bscore.php Its not so much the weight of the cat, but the condition the cat is in (much like people). Calorie requirements will depend on individual cat statistics, like; age, reproductive status (spayed/neutered cats require less energy), health status and activity level. Water should be available free choice and water from your toilet is not poisonous (generally), although some cats have vomited after drinking water that is treated. I agree that some cats can free feed and not become overweight and others cannot. When feeding a nutritionally balanced feline diet, you can adjust the amount you feed depending upon whether your cat is under conditioned or overconditioned. While there are numerous disease processes which can affect how much your cat will eat, a very common cat disease is hyperthyroidism. The first thing an owner may notice is that your cat may be able to eat as much as s/he wants but remains thin. There are other signs too of course, but I just wanted to make sure you thought about this particular disease when adjusting your cat's diet. Hypothyroidism on the other hand is not common in cats. >>>Our cat is only 4.5 lb, not 6 lb everybody guessed when our bathroom >>>scale was broken. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Oh please. It easy to determine if a cat is fat without expensive > baby scales. And for a cat that small free feeding is ok. : Clinically many vets follow the guidelines outlined on the chart copied on : this website: : http://www.cathelp-online.com/health/bscore.php Her profile looks like between 3 and 4 in this chart, so a little overweight. I was feeding twice daily, one 3 oz can or 1/2 of the bigger can each time, not only because that's what manufacturers seemed to recommend but, to be honest, also because it is easy to manage such regime. But I will change it to 2/3 of the smaller can or 1/3 of the bigger one. I don't give her treats. Dry food only when I cannot be there at one of the mealtimes. Only once when she was extremely attracted by the smell of grilled chicken did I shred about 2 teaspoons for her. Otherwise it is two square meals per day. But the square needs to be tad smaller. :) >: Clinically many vets follow the guidelines outlined on the chart copied on >: this website: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >of grilled chicken did I shred about 2 teaspoons for her. Otherwise it >is two square meals per day. But the square needs to be tad smaller. :) Why would you deprive your kitty of "treats"? Your are mean <lol> There is nothing wrong with a treat from time-to-time. Do you never let your family have an ice cream cone? You are going to have one thin,sleek but very unhappy kitty! Come on...Cats love a treat. If it gets too fat,buy a treadmill. Ray WebElder I don't "Suffer" from Insanity..I rather enjoy it! CATTS http://members.tripod.com/~thewebster/catts.html Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/9826/meshead.html WebElder <catts@37.com> wrote: : Why would you deprive your kitty of "treats"? Your are mean <lol> : There is nothing wrong with a treat from time-to-time. Do you never : let your family have an ice cream cone? Actually, we are extremists who have fruit instead of ice cream, and water instead of soda. The kids, never addicted to soda actually don't like the taste even if offered somewhere. : You are going to have one thin,sleek but very unhappy kitty! Why, she wouldn't know such junk exists! Among the nutritious foods she gets, she will like some more than others and those she'll think of as treats! OK, we do eat baklava and Indian sweets a few times a year and I will give her some treats someday as well, just haven't gotten around to starting that. :-) She is quite happy about the foods she does get. |
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