I don't know, Seth, but what a tough, sweet little guy.  I sure hope he
makes it and lives a long, happy life.  I'm glad Jonas has you to love
him and watch out for him.  That woman was very nice for caring enough
to get him to your clinic.

Candace

I have seen it but rarely.  IIRC it is better to remove the eye if you
can because of the potential for abscess and chronic infection.

Yes.  He may also have some balance issues if he had a severe URI.

He's very

I would confine him at first to one room with the litter box.  Once he
hits it regularly all the time, then increase his space little by
little (one room at a time).

Oh, man those are the ones who just break your hearts.  I hated when I
had an order to euth a kitten like that.  It killed me.

I would be inclined to remove the eye later when he is out of the
woods, medically speaking.  The surgery can always be done later.  I
suspect him coding during surgery was merely because of his weakened
state.

And I suspect you have a new kitten, Sethran. ;)  Great name, BTW
(Jonas).  It was almost my son's name.

-L.

Yes and yes and some kittens regained partial sight and others regained
complete sight- but I don't know if your cat's case is the same. I might be
able to tell you a little more if you can show me which one of these
pictures it looks like:

http://www.maxshouse.com/Ophthal_Pics/Stromal-keratitis-secondary-to-herpesvirus
-infection.jpg
http://www.maxshouse.com/Ophthal_Pics/Herpetic_ulcer_sequestrum.jpg
http://www.maxshouse.com/Ophthal_Pics/stromal_herpetic_keratitis.gif
http://www.maxshouse.com/Ophthal_Pics/Symblepharon-Herpatic.jpg
http://www.maxshouse.com/Ophthal_Pics/Symblepharon-conjunctivitis.jpg
http://www.maxshouse.com/Ophthal_Pics/Corneal_sequestrum.gif
http://www.maxshouse.com/Ophthal_Pics/Corneal_Ulcer.jpg
http://www.maxshouse.com/Ophthal_Pics/corneal_ulcer_FHV.jpg
http://www.maxshouse.com/Ophthal_Pics/Herpesvirus_conjunctivitis_kitten.jpg
http://www.maxshouse.com/Ophthal_Pics/feline_herpes_virusbigeye.jpg

Phil

I fostered a kitten last fall who had a ruptured globe when we first picked
him up off the street. The vet said the iris had come forward through the
rupture and was budging out the front. The vet told us that he could keep
the eye if the iris receded and he was able to open and close the eyelid. If
the eyelid couldn't close completely then they eye would have to go because
an open lid is an invitation to infection. We treated the kitten with
antibiotics and Terrimycin (sp?) ointment and the iris did recede and he was
able to keep the eye. I was also giving him Lysine. Although he did have a
fairly large cloudy scar in his line of sight, I believe he did retain some
vision in that eye and was able to detect light and dark and movement.

I'll post his 'after' picture over on alt.binaries.pictures.animals. It was
HIS right eye that was effected and you can see the pupil being obscured by
the scar. His name was Pepper.

W

Do you suppose  you could see how long you can keep him relatively healthy
with it and see about removing it later? What does your clinic vet say? He
may just need to get stronger. I would suppose it *needs* to be removed at
some point to avoid complications. Poor little mite. I hope he continues to
prosper. SOunds like you are well and truly caught. I met a little paralzyed
kitten yesterday who well, if I could, I would take him in, but he needs
someone who is around a lot more. Let me tell you, he sure didn't know he
wasn't normal. Soft, soft, soft and a purr like a motor boat.

HOWEDY Dom,

Get him some blind mice to even the score.

That was kindly of them, Dom.

That's an obsessive compulsive disorder, Dom.
You can EXXXTINGUISH IT in a couple minutes
if you study and follow the INSTRUCTIONS in
your FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
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But calling him WON'T address the PROBLEM which can
be EXXXTINGUISHED in just a few minutes, maybe LESS.

No, he's having PAINICK ATTACKS.

That's not likely to be ACCIDENTAL.

Same same as above, Dom.

You can TRAIN him to find it if you STUDY: http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u

Whatever makes you think you'll be gettin ANY "advice" from
the posters here, Dom? THEY MURDER kittys like this WON and
call it RESCUE.

He owes it all to you and the clinic, Dom. You done GOOD.

Just study your manual and do ALL the EXXXORCISES
and EXXXTRAPOLATE on the METHODS to suit the critter.

Good for him. Think allelomimetic behavior.

Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last
Student Demonstrated At UofOH Oxford, That Rehabilitation
Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management
Of Doggys.  <{) ; ~ ) >

Yours,

The Amazing Pussy Wizard <{); ~ ) >

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:41:01 -0500
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."
<drv...@mindspring.com>
Subject: "time-out"

Dan, my own firm hatred of punishment has
recently been intensified by meeting The
Puppy Wizard, Jerry Howe, whose work with
dogs is marvelous.

There is a literature on harms caused by time
out, and perhaps you'd like to look at
http://www.dogydoright.com
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.

"As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care."

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice

Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.

I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.

I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:

whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.

The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).

You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.

As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry,  I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University.  I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques.  Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology

I had a cat who had a severely infected eyes and ears when I found him as a
kitten.  He recovered with 24/7 care for about the first 8 weeks I had him.
The one eye was ok but eventually he lost the left one.  We left the other
eye alone and I applied ointment to keep it from drying out since the vet
didn't want to operate since he was so tiny at the time.  At one point when
he was about 8 months old the eye simply ruptured and what was left fell
out.  My vet at that time stitched the eye shut.  I would take that approach
with it if I were you.  Hopefully just keeping the eye moist will keep it
from getting infections and no further surgery will be needed until it is
absolutely necessary.

As for the litter box are you completely sure he can hear you and that his
sense of smell is ok.  I ran into this with Meowzer.  The infection he had
also messed up his hearing and for quite a while we would have to stomp on
the floor when I'd catch him going where he shouldn't.  It was my form of a
verbal no to him.  He felt the vibrations and then I would scoop him up and
deposit him and any mess he'd made into the litter box.  Eventually he
finally put it together and would use the box.  The next thing was trying to
teach him how to meow.  I didn't have any other cats and I remarked that
when he moved his mouth nothing came out.  My vet told me meow to him he
needs to hear it to know how to make the sound.  So we meowed for what it
seemed like forever and then one morning I woke up to hear the faintest
little meow coming from the other room.............:)

Good luck with the little guy.  It's those little ones that make the biggest
impression and make you feel no matter what it's worth it.

Celeste