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The moon isn't full but you're all crazy

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Bobbi - 28 Aug 2005 06:03 GMT
I just wanted to talk about my cat, SexySoxy, but you're all warbling
about OT crap as usual.

Bobbi
Charlie Wilkes - 28 Aug 2005 09:34 GMT
>I just wanted to talk about my cat, SexySoxy, but you're all warbling
>about OT crap as usual.
>
>Bobbi

Now, Bobbi.  The way to improve the tone of the group is to ignore the
stuff you don't like and post about your cat.  So what is the story
with SexySoxy?  How did he or she acquire that name?

My cat's name is Tweaker, so called because he twitches his tail
constantly.  He is a real loveable cat, a first-class companion for me
and my dog.

Charlie
Candace - 28 Aug 2005 11:57 GMT
> Now, Bobbi.  The way to improve the tone of the group is to ignore the
> stuff you don't like and post about your cat.  So what is the story
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Charlie

Hello, Charlie.  SexySoxy is all female, a Siamese mix with 4 white
socks,  the rest of her looks Siamese, almond-shaped blue eyes.  She is
a curvaceous little cat and looks like a vixen.  She makes the boy cats
cry.  She is 3 years old and quite a talker like many Siamese are.  She
is a very good cat and never has any bad behaviours.  She is also very
healthy so I guess I don't really need to be posting here but I have
been lurking awhile and, when the flaming isn't going on, I see a few
posts that have to do with cats.

I'm glad Tweaker is such a good companion to you.

Bobbi
Magic Mood Jeep© - 28 Aug 2005 13:38 GMT
>> Now, Bobbi.  The way to improve the tone of the group is to ignore
>> the stuff you don't like and post about your cat.  So what is the
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Bobbi

Whoopsie - now we know that Candace = Bobbi:

"Bobbi"'s IP Address = Candace's IP address... compare headers (below)
Bobbi's:
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From: "Bobbi" <bobbisox4me@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
Subject: The moon isn't full but you're all crazy
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From: "Candace" <maccandace@aol.com>
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Subject: Re: The moon isn't full but you're all crazy
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Justin L - 28 Aug 2005 15:46 GMT
<for the full version, see previous posts in this thread>

congratulations Candace, you have been outed!

how do you feel?
Candace - 28 Aug 2005 21:16 GMT
> <for the full version, see previous posts in this thread>
>
> congratulations Candace, you have been outed!
>
> how do you feel?

Somehow it's just not as satisfying as I had hoped.  Sadly, MMJ's
headers weren't even necessary cuz Bobbi outed herself first.  Bobbi's
a loser.

Candace
Alison - 30 Aug 2005 22:21 GMT
Justin L wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:38:28 GMT, "Magic Mood Jeep©"
> <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> how do you feel?

Somehow it's just not as satisfying as I had hoped.  Sadly, MMJ's
headers weren't even necessary cuz Bobbi outed herself first.  Bobbi's
a loser.

Candace>>

Hi Candace,
It's a shame you were in the position where you felt you needed to
use a sock.
I think if you're not crazy before you start posting here , you soon
will be<G>
Bobbi , that's a nice name . Any reason for choosing that?
Alison
sriddles@aol.com - 30 Aug 2005 22:40 GMT
> Justin L wrote:
> > On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:38:28 GMT, "Magic Mood Jeep©"
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Candace>>

Bobby socks? (or am I dating myself here) :-)

Sherry

>  Hi Candace,
>  It's a shame you were in the position where you felt you needed to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>  Bobbi , that's a nice name . Any reason for choosing that?
>  Alison
Alison - 30 Aug 2005 22:59 GMT
Bobby socks? (or am I dating myself here) :-)

Sherry>>

That's clever:)
Alison
SexySoxy - 31 Aug 2005 04:06 GMT
>  Hi Candace,
>  It's a shame you were in the position where you felt you needed to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>  Bobbi , that's a nice name . Any reason for choosing that?
>  Alison

Bobby Socks is correct as Sherry said.  I didn't feel the need to use a
sock; I felt the *desire* to use a sock.  I'd probably still be using
it, for fun, if I hadn't screwed it up.

Candace
-L. - 31 Aug 2005 06:52 GMT
>I felt the *desire* to use a sock.  I'd probably still be using
> it, for fun, if I hadn't screwed it up.
>
> Candace

You still can, Soxy. :)  No one has to know if you don't tell us!

-L.
Trish - 28 Aug 2005 18:07 GMT
> >> Now, Bobbi.  The way to improve the tone of the group is to ignore
> >> the stuff you don't like and post about your cat.  So what is the
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> >
> > Bobbi

lol no worries Candice, you're not the only person to have ever outed
yourself.  (the difference is, I think you have a great humour about
it).

Have a look and see who else here has ever outed themselves

http://tinyurl.com/9rt7z

:)

waiting for Lyn to blow a gasket and come up with some lie to defend her
buddy Cheryl, who has suddenly disappeared again, out ministering at the
local church again, heretics and liars tend to be inseparable
Outer Banks - 28 Aug 2005 23:29 GMT
> lol no worries Candice, you're not the only person to have ever outed
> yourself.  (the difference is, I think you have a great humour about
> it).

I will be retiring from sock creation until I can study more and learn
from the pros.  It's such a shame because SexySoxy had a whole little
Siamese usenet life to live and now she's gone, snuffed out by her
owner's carelessness.  

Purrs for SexySoxy.

ob
Charlie Wilkes - 29 Aug 2005 01:54 GMT
>> lol no worries Candice, you're not the only person to have ever outed
>> yourself.  (the difference is, I think you have a great humour about
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>ob

Well Candace, you had me going, sort of, until your second post when
you forgot to change your headers.

I'm the same way, which is why I normally don't do socks.  It entails
more administrative detail that I want to bother with.

I did use a sock in this group once, however, for two posts on July
23.  I don't think anyone even noticed.

Charlie
Candace - 29 Aug 2005 02:00 GMT
> Well Candace, you had me going, sort of, until your second post when
> you forgot to change your headers.

Well, I don't even know how so that limits me, I guess.  I don't think
it mattered anyway since I signed it "Candace."  That's what I get for
doing it at 4am.

> I did use a sock in this group once, however, for two posts on July
> 23.  I don't think anyone even noticed.

Yeah, it's a drag not being outed.

Does everyone in here read every freaking header?  It must take forever
to get through the posts.

Candace
Charlie Wilkes - 29 Aug 2005 02:23 GMT
>> Well Candace, you had me going, sort of, until your second post when
>> you forgot to change your headers.
>
>Well, I don't even know how so that limits me, I guess.  I don't think
>it mattered anyway since I signed it "Candace."  That's what I get for
>doing it at 4am.

No, you posted with Candace in the header and signed the post Bobbi.
You must know how to change headers because the first post had a Bobbi
header.

>> I did use a sock in this group once, however, for two posts on July
>> 23.  I don't think anyone even noticed.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Does everyone in here read every freaking header?  It must take forever
>to get through the posts.

This is the first group I have ever encountered where I find myself
doing that.  Our occasional friend "Nomen" got spoofed, right down to
a fake pgp signature.  Of course I fell for it because I don't check
pgp signatures, but maybe I should start.  I still have a copy of pgp
2.6.2 that I actually know how to use, but have no need to do so..

Charlie
Candace - 29 Aug 2005 02:38 GMT
> No, you posted with Candace in the header and signed the post Bobbi.
> You must know how to change headers because the first post had a >Bobbi
> header.

Yes, you're right, I'm getting totally confused now.  I used a
different email address.  But I guess the IP address was the same re:
Magic Mood Jeep's post.  I knew the IP would be AOL's on both of them
but there is more info there than I was cognizant of originally.  I
didn't think it would matter if they both showed AOL since there are
zillions of people on AOL but the rest of it still pointed to me which
I was not aware of.

> This is the first group I have ever encountered where I find myself
> doing that.  Our occasional friend "Nomen" got spoofed, right down to
> a fake pgp signature.  Of course I fell for it because I don't check
> pgp signatures, but maybe I should start.  I still have a copy of pgp
> 2.6.2 that I actually know how to use, but have no need to do so..

Okay, I don't even know what that means.  Guess I have a lot to learn
to keep up here.  And it used to be such an innocent, forthright
group...well, sometimes it was...only about cats...well, sometimes it
was...

Candace
Diane - 29 Aug 2005 02:45 GMT
> Does everyone in here read every freaking header?

Not me. I don't care. :)
Signature

Web site: http://www.slywy.com/
Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/
Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/

MaryL - 30 Aug 2005 02:43 GMT
>> Well Candace, you had me going, sort of, until your second post when
>> you forgot to change your headers.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Candace

Candace,

I would like to suggest that you (and others) completely eliminate any use
of socks.  Pick one username and stick to it.  It may seem humorous to post
under an anonymous name, but in may opinion, the real result is that it
destroys the writer's credibility.  That is unfortunate, too, because you
have a lot to contribute to this newsgroup.

MaryL
Candace - 30 Aug 2005 02:51 GMT
> I would like to suggest that you (and others) completely eliminate any use
> of socks.  Pick one username and stick to it.  It may seem humorous to post
> under an anonymous name, but in may opinion, the real result is that it
> destroys the writer's credibility.  That is unfortunate, too, because you
> have a lot to contribute to this newsgroup.

Okay, it's not really working for me anyway.  Thank you for the
compliment.  I do have to say, however, that I find the whole header
thing very interesting and have learned a little about it from this
group...not nearly as much as others but a little.

Candace
Charlie Wilkes - 30 Aug 2005 03:48 GMT
>> I would like to suggest that you (and others) completely eliminate any use
>> of socks.  Pick one username and stick to it.  It may seem humorous to post
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Candace

The main things to look at are the last server(s) in the path
statement and the IP if available.  Sometimes you need to convert the
IP from hex to decimal.  Those are the elements that most people can't
change, although it can be done by techies who understand the type and
configuration of their host.  But it causes errors in batch processing
and will really piss off the admins if they find out.

You really can't get anything from an anonymized header, even though
once in awhile someone claims otherwise.  All you can tell is it came
from a remailer used by untold numbers of people scattered throughout
the world...

But you can always pour down a stiff drink and make a wild-assed
guess.

Charlie
mlbriggs - 30 Aug 2005 03:10 GMT
>>> Well Candace, you had me going, sort of, until your second post when
>>> you forgot to change your headers.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> MaryL

If they are not to embarrassed to do it, why not use their own names?  
or a contraction of same?    MLB
Trish - 30 Aug 2005 03:22 GMT
> >>> Well Candace, you had me going, sort of, until your second post when
> >>> you forgot to change your headers.
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> If they are not to embarrassed to do it, why not use their own names?
> or a contraction of same?    MLB

It may not have anything to do with embarrassment, some people here feel
its ok to threaten posters by phone calls and nasty e-mails.  These same
people feel its ok to contact family members, their kids and employers,
hey some even go so low as to contact employers of family members, go
figure.  (I was in a usenet group where this actually happened over a
debate of birth control/non birth control, the husband was contemplating
a vasectomy and worked as a teacher in a private catholic school, note I
said worked, he no longer does (:   ) So to avoid this people use socks
when making a point that they know will not be accepted be a certain few
here.  This also explains why many people do not use their own names.

In light of this perhaps socks are used to avoid this kind of trouble
following them.  And some use socks to get through killfiles.  Others
use them just because they can.

But hey Candace, it was fun when you were "socking it".  not all socks
are harmful.  You just have to choose the sock wisely!
idontmind@gmail.com - 30 Aug 2005 07:48 GMT
> It may not have anything to do with embarrassment, some people here feel
> its ok to threaten posters by phone calls and nasty e-mails.  These same
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> when making a point that they know will not be accepted be a certain few
> here.  This also explains why many people do not use their own names.

That's utter bullshit and you know it.  People use socks to stir up
sh.t because they are cowardly a.sholes and grow a spine under an
assumed name.  Your friend Mary is the A #1 culprit, despite all of her
bellowing about "free speech" and asserting that (and I quote)
"whatever happens in Usenet is okay by me. All of it, any of it, I just
love a free-for-all. "  She's a f.cking hypocrite and she knows it.
The first mention of her name, she ran away with her tail between her
legs because she was embarassed.

-L.
Bet You Missed Me! - 30 Aug 2005 08:10 GMT
> > It may not have anything to do with embarrassment, some people here feel
> > its ok to threaten posters by phone calls and nasty e-mails.  These same
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> The first mention of her name, she ran away with her tail between her
> legs because she was embarassed.

If that's true, then why do you seem to be seeing her everywhere?
idontmind@gmail.com - 30 Aug 2005 08:24 GMT
> If that's true, then why do you seem to be seeing her everywhere?

You're only seen under a sock, jackass, because you don't have the
balls to post under your real name eventhough we all know it.  You're
afraid you will embarass yourself.

-L.
Bet You Missed Me! - 30 Aug 2005 08:41 GMT
> > If that's true, then why do you seem to be seeing her everywhere?
>
> You're only seen under a sock, jackass, because you don't have the
> balls to post under your real name eventhough we all know it.  You're
> afraid you will embarass yourself.

Funny, I don't see your name here, though everyone knows it. :)

As for embarrassment, well, you know Lyn, Jonathan and Will
are going to experience all of that for you, since you don't have
the sense to. Jonathan is going to love reading all your posts one
day, I'm sure. Particularly the ones about bl.wj.bs and how much
you like to swallow, and how much his daddy's breath stinks.

Hang in there, Lynette. After all, what's the alternative?
Bet You Missed Me! - 30 Aug 2005 08:51 GMT
> > If that's true, then why do you seem to be seeing her everywhere?
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> -L.

I have noticed that ladies over at alt.infertility.parenting do not seem to
miss you,
Lynette. I cannot imagine why not.
-L. - 30 Aug 2005 10:19 GMT
> I have noticed that ladies over at alt.infertility.parenting do not seem to
> miss you,
> Lynette. I cannot imagine why not.

Blah blah bla.  You're such a boor, regardless of which sock you use.
Don't you have some damage control you should be attending to?

-L.
Charlie Wilkes - 30 Aug 2005 09:17 GMT
>> It may not have anything to do with embarrassment, some people here feel
>> its ok to threaten posters by phone calls and nasty e-mails.  These same
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>The first mention of her name, she ran away with her tail between her
>legs because she was embarassed.

If Mary traded on her anonymity, her attackers have done likewise and
have used it to play dirtier tricks than anything Mary ever did.  

We have seen the web site with Cheryl's name and those of some of her
fellow parishioners.  No big deal, right?  But what if some idiot got
the bright idea to collect email addresses or mailing addresses for as
many of those people as possible, and send lurid, defamatory
information about Cheryl?  "Did you know that one of your fellow
parishioners, Cheryl S, is a Nazi sympathizer who belongs to an
underground Internet society that attacks computer systems, causing
billions of dollars of economic damage every year?"

It wouldn't ruin Cheryl's life, but it wouldn't be fair play, either.
That is the vicious cycle this group seems to be moving toward, with
your full support and encouragement.  

Charlie
-L. - 30 Aug 2005 10:14 GMT
> If Mary traded on her anonymity, her attackers have done likewise and
> have used it to play dirtier tricks than anything Mary ever did.

Who did Charlie?  Who did anything any "dirtier" than Mary?  Besides
Karma, that is.  I will admit that Karma printing Mary's boss' name and
address wasn't cool.  *He* didn't deserve that.    But other than that,
Mary got from Karma *exactly* what she did to me for months.  Posting
my name, my kid's name, various things I have talked about in other
ngs, running off to AIparenting to "tattle tale" on me - which is
exactly what Karma did to her - dug up her dirty laundry and aired it
here.  Big f.cking Deal.  If Nancy wasn't such a pussy she would have
shrugged it off, called Karma an a.shole and continued to post.  The
truth is, she was embarassed by it so couldn't post any more.  We knew
her real name, and she was embarassed to pull the crap she pulled for
over a year, under her real name.  THEM'S the facts, Charlie.  She
simply is a spineless jellyfish hiding behind a pseudonym.

> We have seen the web site with Cheryl's name and those of some of her
> fellow parishioners.  No big deal, right?

No, especially since that's not her church.

>  But what if some idiot got
> the bright idea to collect email addresses or mailing addresses for as
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> underground Internet society that attacks computer systems, causing
> billions of dollars of economic damage every year?"

If somebody did that to Cheryl, she'd probably laugh it off as some
freakazoid stalker, as would I, or anyone else with half a brain, and
any bit of self-worth.  Cheryl is no more a Nazi sympathizer than I am,
and everyone who knows her knows it.

Cheryl has never made any attempt to hide her last name, nor have I.
Neither of us has anything to be embarassed about.  Unfortunately Mary
apparently does, and she wasn't smart enough to cover her tracks.

> It wouldn't ruin Cheryl's life, but it wouldn't be fair play, either.

Honestly I doubt she'd give a sh.t if they did especially since that
Cheryl Sellner isn't her.

> That is the vicious cycle this group seems to be moving toward, with
> your full support and encouragement.

Oh really?  Did I tell anyone to hunt down the c.nt and pull an Uzi on
her?  Absolutely not.  Did I even comment on the "Aerial Mary" post  -
um, no, because anyone who has half a clue about the 'net knows those
sites exist.  They have been discussed on the ngs for months, maybe
even years.  So what?  And what did I get in return in that thread?
Mary posting what she thought was my name, my husband's name, my kid's
name and addresses multiple times, in her reliable *sweet* fashion.

WTF did I ever do to her?  Except disagree with her a couple of times
and tell her she didn't need to be such an a.shole?  And for that I
deserve to have my kid's name used over and over and over again?  I
don't give a sh.t if she f.cking hates me, but why f.ck with my kid?
Hum?  WTF did *he* do to her?  Then she has the gall to comment on how
cute he is.  And ya know, her printing his name really doesn't even
bother me.  It's just the principle of the thing - f.cking with a
toddler - invading his privacy.  That's just f.cked up, no matter how
you look at it.

Mary's an a.shole in real life just as she was/is here, you can bet
your bank account.  And if Karma is just, which it is, someday she'll
cross the wrong person in real life and reap what she has sown.  THAT
you can bet your money on.  She doesn't need to fear anonymous people
on the internet.  She needs to fear her own stupidity and arrogance,
because ultimatley, THAT is what will get her in trouble.

If you think anyone on this newsgroup gives a sh.t enough about Mary to
do anything to her IRL, you're dellusional.  She's nothing but a
tapeworm up the a.s of a newsgroup; a petty annoyance.  They come and
they go.  She isn't the first and she won't be the last.  You really
can't take this sh.t seriously, Charlie.  I thought *you* knew that.

Anyway, carry on with your banter.  I'm going back to cats.

-L.
Charlie Wilkes - 30 Aug 2005 21:31 GMT
>> If Mary traded on her anonymity, her attackers have done likewise and
>> have used it to play dirtier tricks than anything Mary ever did.
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
>If somebody did that to Cheryl, she'd probably laugh it off as some

No, she wouldn't laugh it off.  It wouldn't be funny to her, and it
wouldn't be funny to the people who got the emails.  It would be weird
and alarming.

What is funny in the group -- where it's all out in the open and
everyone knows what is being said, whether it's coming from sock
puppets or whatever -- is no longer funny when someone gets singled
out as a target for harrassment by anonymous weirdos.

>freakazoid stalker, as would I, or anyone else with half a brain, and
>any bit of self-worth.  Cheryl is no more a Nazi sympathizer than I am,
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>Oh really?  Did I tell anyone to hunt down the c.nt and pull an Uzi on

You are scary.

>her?  Absolutely not.  Did I even comment on the "Aerial Mary" post  -
>um, no, because anyone who has half a clue about the 'net knows those
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>bother me.  It's just the principle of the thing - f.cking with a
>toddler - invading his privacy.  That's just f.cked up, no matter how

Nobody is bothering your child.  That is a figment of your
imagination.  Your child doesn't know about any of this and will not
be affected by it, unless it affects your behavior toward him.

You're a little bit out there, Lyn.  You maybe ought to see
someone.... seriously.

Charlie
-L. - 31 Aug 2005 03:11 GMT
> >If somebody did that to Cheryl, she'd probably laugh it off as some
>
> No, she wouldn't laugh it off.  It wouldn't be funny to her, and it
> wouldn't be funny to the people who got the emails.  It would be weird
> and alarming.

You underestimate Cheryl.

> What is funny in the group -- where it's all out in the open and
> everyone knows what is being said, whether it's coming from sock
> puppets or whatever -- is no longer funny when someone gets singled
> out as a target for harrassment by anonymous weirdos.

Riiiight.  Like I have been targeted since day one.  Seems to me the
one doing the harassing from the start was "Mary S." - an anonymous
weirdo.  She harassed me, Cheryl, Megan (probably her first target),
Dan, Monica, and just about everyone who ever dared to disagree with
her.  She's still doing it under socks.  Yet, you still defend her.
Amazing.

<snip>

> You are scary.

I'm not the one who starves dogs and hangs cats, Charlie.

> Nobody is bothering your child.  That is a figment of your
> imagination.  Your child doesn't know about any of this and will not
> be affected by it, unless it affects your behavior toward him.

His name is archived.  Thanks to that c.nt.  That's f.cking with him
whether or not you want to admit it.  And it's low - f.cking with a
toddler.  About as low as one could get. I don't expect you to
understand - you don't have kids.  And neither does she which is why
she thinks it's ok to do so.  The bitch doesn't have a compassionate
bone in her body.

> You're a little bit out there, Lyn.  You maybe ought to see
> someone.... seriously.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Like I said I'm not the one hanging cats for kicks,
Charles.

Has the UN showed up to get your guns yet?

-L.
Trish - 31 Aug 2005 03:39 GMT
> > >If somebody did that to Cheryl, she'd probably laugh it off as some
> >
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> her.  She's still doing it under socks.  Yet, you still defend her.
> Amazing.

Can I come to your party?
Charlie Wilkes - 31 Aug 2005 07:51 GMT
>His name is archived.  Thanks to that c.nt.  That's f.cking with him
>whether or not you want to admit it.  And it's low - f.cking with a
>toddler.  About as low as one could get. I don't expect you to

No, Lyn.  Your child will not be harmed or affected because his name
is archived in a discussion group.  That is an imaginary problem, not
a real problem.  If Mary says things about you and your son that you
don't like, all you have to do is ignore her.

If you think I'm taking an unreasonable view of this, why don't you
print out all the posts in this thread and show them to someone you
respect and trust in real life, and get her/his opinion of the matter?

Charlie
-L. - 31 Aug 2005 08:02 GMT
> If you think I'm taking an unreasonable view of this, why don't you
> print out all the posts in this thread and show them to someone you
> respect and trust in real life, and get her/his opinion of the matter?
>
> Charlie

Numerous people have already stated that they think it was shitty for
Mary to continue to do so when I asked her to stop.  Kelly, Rhonda (I
think it was) and other people.  You and Mary apparently are the only
ones who think babies are fair game.  Well, and maybe your "mee too"
Trish.

-L.
Charlie Wilkes - 31 Aug 2005 08:44 GMT
>> If you think I'm taking an unreasonable view of this, why don't you
>> print out all the posts in this thread and show them to someone you
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>-L.

No one thinks babies are fair game.  Once again, that is your
imagination, not reality.

You are attacking CatNipped in anecdotes at a time when her family is
caught up in a major natural disaster.  That is reality, and you are
suggesting that Lori is making it up to get sympathy.

I think you might benefit immensely from a perspective outside Usenet
and this group -- a professional opinion, if you will.

Charlie
Bet You Missed Me! - 31 Aug 2005 09:19 GMT
> > If you think I'm taking an unreasonable view of this, why don't you
> > print out all the posts in this thread and show them to someone you
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Numerous people have already stated that they think it was shitty for
> Mary to continue to do so when I asked her to stop.

To do what, exactly? Mention the name of your son Jonathan, when
it was you yourself who posted his name on the web and in the newsgroups
as well as his PHOTO? You objected because you are ashamed of your
son reading your thuggish words one day. You objected because you are
living a major lie. There is one thin membrane, one very thin membrane
between you and the street. That's the truth. If Will had any inkling of the
incredibly personal things you have splattered all over Usenet and the web,
what do you think he would do?

Think things through, Lyn. Lay off the xanax or the booze
for a while and give it a try. You're in trouble or you will be
soon if you don't wake up. If you did not in spite pity you would
be in for worse than you are now.
Bet You Missed Me! - 31 Aug 2005 09:24 GMT
> If you did not in spite pity

That should be "inspire." Sorry, spelling/grammar/typo police. ;)
idontmind@gmail.com - 31 Aug 2005 10:05 GMT
> To do what, exactly? Mention the name of your son Jonathan,

Wah-wah-wah-wah-wah!  You're just like the teacher in Peanuts.

Bellow away, blow hard.

-L.
Bet You Missed Me! - 31 Aug 2005 16:43 GMT
> > To do what, exactly? Mention the name of your son Jonathan,
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> -L.

It was a straightforward question, Lyn. Since you have not answered, I will
have to
assume that what you implied is true--that you have changed your mind and
are perfectly
comfortable with anyone mentioning here the names of your family members
that you posted
to Usenet and to the web, along with photos. You are entitled to change your
mind,
after all.
idontmind@gmail.com - 31 Aug 2005 17:01 GMT
> It was a straightforward question, Lyn. Since you have not answered, I will
> have to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> mind,
> after all.

http://www.pfizer.com/pfizer/do/diseases/mn_obsessive_compulsive_disorder.jsp

-L.
Bet You Missed Me! - 31 Aug 2005 17:05 GMT
> > It was a straightforward question, Lyn. Since you have not answered, I will
> > have to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> > mind,
> > after all.

http://www.pfizer.com/pfizer/do/diseases/mn_obsessive_compulsive_disorder.jsp

> -L.

I'm sorry for your suffering. Thank you for sharing. Perhaps Charlie's
advice would
help you, Lyn. Meanwhile, thanks for the clarification. I no longer need to
be
concerned about any objections you may have to having Will and Jonathan
mentioned
here.
idontmind@gmail.com - 31 Aug 2005 17:15 GMT
I no longer need to
> be
> concerned about any objections you may have to having Will and Jonathan
> mentioned
> here.

http://www.pfizer.com/pfizer/do/diseases/mn_obsessive_compulsive_disorder.jsp
Trish - 03 Sep 2005 02:52 GMT
> I no longer need to
> > be
> > concerned about any objections you may have to having Will and Jonathan
> > mentioned
> > here.

http://www.pfizer.com/pfizer/do/diseases/mn_obsessive_compulsive_disorder.jsp

It's very telling when a person posts an obsessive disorder website over
and over again
Bet You Missed Me! - 03 Sep 2005 05:35 GMT
> > I no longer need to
> > > be
> > > concerned about any objections you may have to having Will and
> Jonathan
> > > mentioned
> > > here.

http://www.pfizer.com/pfizer/do/diseases/mn_obsessive_compulsive_disorder.jsp

> It's very telling when a person posts an obsessive disorder website over
> and over again

Well done Trish. :)
Trish - 31 Aug 2005 01:34 GMT
> Cheryl has never made any attempt to hide her last name, nor have I.
> Neither of us has anything to be embarassed about.  Unfortunately Mary
> apparently does, and she wasn't smart enough to cover her tracks.

Then its time both of readjusted your priorities, cause you should be
damn ashamed of your drunken spurts in here.

So, Lyn, is it true Will has a little sex thing going on the side and
that's why you drink your pitiful life away.

How's your son btw, still playing with those bottle caps :)  I wonder
what his first words were... mommy or boozebag
MaryL - 30 Aug 2005 04:25 GMT
>>>> Well Candace, you had me going, sort of, until your second post when
>>>> you forgot to change your headers.
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> If they are not to embarrassed to do it, why not use their own names?
> or a contraction of same?    MLB

That's basically what I do.  I use a contraction of my name, but I do not
include my last name because I think it is better to maintain some privacy
on the Internet (for reasons such as those described by Trish in this thread
plus possible identify theft and monetary scams).

MaryL
idontmind@gmail.com - 30 Aug 2005 07:42 GMT
> Candace,
>
> I would like to suggest that you (and others) completely eliminate any use
> of socks.  Pick one username and stick to it.

Just FWIW, I forget to log out of my gmail account and then I post in
Google and voila - I am here under another address.  Oh well.  Probably
screws up whomever it is that uses this group for sociology research,
LOL...

It may seem humorous to post
> under an anonymous name, but in may opinion, the real result is that it
> destroys the writer's credibility.  That is unfortunate, too, because you
> have a lot to contribute to this newsgroup.
>
> MaryL

Personally, I though Candace's attempt at soxing was cute.  Sexy Soxy,
and all.

-L.
SexySoxy - 30 Aug 2005 09:03 GMT
> Personally, I though Candace's attempt at soxing was cute.  Sexy Soxy,
> and all.

You haven't seen the last of me.

SS
Trish - 31 Aug 2005 01:36 GMT
> > Candace,
> >
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> screws up whomever it is that uses this group for sociology research,
> LOL...

That's what happens when ya get shitfaced and pass out at the computer
idontmind@gmail.com - 31 Aug 2005 01:54 GMT
> That's what happens when ya get shitfaced and pass out at the computer

You are so uncreative you have to steal Charlie's material, eh?  Pity.

-L.
Bet You Missed Me! - 31 Aug 2005 03:08 GMT
> > That's what happens when ya get shitfaced and pass out at the computer
>
> You are so uncreative you have to steal Charlie's material, eh?  Pity.

Do you honestly think that people can't tell that you post loaded?
Jesus.
Trish - 31 Aug 2005 03:36 GMT
> > That's what happens when ya get shitfaced and pass out at the computer
>
> You are so uncreative you have to steal Charlie's material, eh?  Pity.
>
> -L.

errr no dear, I googled you lol, even got your favourite piss-eyed
drinks memorized, just in case ya know :)
-L. - 31 Aug 2005 06:46 GMT
> > > That's what happens when ya get shitfaced and pass out at the
> computer
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> errr no dear, I googled you lol, even got your favourite piss-eyed
> drinks memorized, just in case ya know :)

Oh, lookie.  I have another fan-grrrrl.  Obsessed, aren't you?

-L.
Trish - 31 Aug 2005 11:12 GMT
> > > > That's what happens when ya get shitfaced and pass out at the
> > computer
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> -L.

nah, I'm always interested in watching people lie their faces off no
matter what arena they are in, your story canges according to which
newsgroup you're in.
idontmind@gmail.com - 31 Aug 2005 17:02 GMT
> > > > > That's what happens when ya get shitfaced and pass out at the
> > > computer
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> matter what arena they are in, your story canges according to which
> newsgroup you're in.

http://www.pfizer.com/pfizer/do/diseases/mn_obsessive_compulsive_disorder.jsp
cathyxyz - 28 Aug 2005 19:00 GMT
> My cat's name is Tweaker, so called because he twitches his tail
> constantly.  He is a real loveable cat, a first-class companion for me
> and my dog.
>
> Charlie

Well at least he is not called "Pecker" ;)

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