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crystal h - 16 Aug 2005 03:14 GMT
Our cat Mr. Moonshine, is a 10 month old male. He is well behaved for the
most part. He is an indoor cat with the exception that he is allowed to hang
out on the patio supervised, and is leash trained and goes for occasional
walks.

Recently there has been a tiny cat about that same age that is wandering over
and hangs out in front of the door and comes down into the patio in the back.
When Moonshine sees him he freaks out and starts screaming these blood
curdling un-catlike meows and he hisses. He has attacked me during these fits
several times without even touching him, he will jump up and grab my leg and
tear the crap out of it. Now he is paranoid and throws these fits regularly
at night near the window or door even if the cat is not there because he
thinks he is. He does this constantly and wakes us up every night. I tried
closing the blinds but he goes underneath them to look outside so he can be
paranoid. I have tried everything I can think of, even tried letting him run
after the cat so he can get over this fear. But 1) he won't run after him and
2) the other cat runs away before I can even let him go. Don't know what to
do and my leg is pretty tore up.

On a second thought-

Generally it seems that everyone on this board is against using the "spray
bottle" and it seems to be understood that cats only claw on things because
it is a natural thing so their nails can shed off (whatever you call it). My
cat claws the carpet when a door is shut in the house and he wants in the
room. He gets super pissed off and claws the hell out of the carpet like he
is trying to dig a hole underneath the door. To this I find using the "spray
bottle" is the best humane way to keep him from destroying everything as I am
against de-clawing. But if the spray bottle is as abusive as listed on these
boards, what other options are there?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Jen M. - 16 Aug 2005 17:12 GMT
Hi there.

From what I have seen--a majority is for using the spray bottle--use it if
you need to of course.  At night--if it is a pretty set time I wonder if you
could put him in a room away from the window?

I would certainly not let him attack your leg--even if you have to raise your
voice and such to get hi attention.

I wonder if you could get him at the window when it is dark--maybe with a
laser pointer and make a game out of it and maybe try to introduce a stuff
animal that he can wrestle?

I wish you the best with this!

Sincerely,
Jen

>Our cat Mr. Moonshine, is a 10 month old male. He is well behaved for the
>most part. He is an indoor cat with the exception that he is allowed to hang
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>
>Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Jennifer - 16 Aug 2005 18:01 GMT
> Generally it seems that everyone on this board is against using the "spray
> bottle"... But if the spray bottle is as abusive as listed on these
> boards, what other options are there?

Eh?  I've seen the opposite. Lots of people on
rec.pets.cats.health+behav recommend the use of a spray bottle, though
I personally use a can of compressed air because my cats hate the noise
and it doesn't get water everywhere.

Why would anyone think a spritz of water is abusive?

--
Jennifer
Hailey - 17 Aug 2005 06:55 GMT
>>Generally it seems that everyone on this board is against using the "spray
>>bottle"... But if the spray bottle is as abusive as listed on these
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> --
> Jennifer

GREAT idea!
ThePuppyProphet@AniMail.Net - 18 Aug 2005 08:10 GMT
HOWEDY jennifer,

> > Generally it seems that everyone on this board is
> > against using the "spray bottle"...

Of curse!

> > But if the spray bottle is as abusive as listed
> > on these boards, what other options are there?

Don't pay no never mind to them FREAKS who ARE AFRAID
of just tellin their critters "NO!" on accHOWENT of
they THINK it'll SCARE and MAKE THEIR PETS NEUROTIC.

> Eh?  I've seen the opposite.

Naaaah?

>  Lots of people on rec.pets.cats.health+behav
> recommend the use of a spray bottle,

That so? Mostly it's SHOCK DEVICES and vinegar
and lemon juice in the water. And settin MHOWES
traps (under newspaper so it won't HURT them)
and shock pads for their kats to step on when
they climb on their furniture to PISS and sh.t
on it, like HOWE janet boss does for her DECLAWED
FEAR AGGRESSIVE DEATHLY ILL KATS.

> though I personally use a can of compressed
> air because my cats hate the noise

SHAAAZZZAAAMMM?

> and it doesn't get water everywhere.

That's kindly of you, know HOWE kats HATE
being squirted and intimidated with WATER.

> Why would anyone think a spritz of water is abusive?

Of curse!

> --
> Jennifer

Well, COMPARED TO THIS, water is a TREAT. Here's
The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME AT IT's BEAST:

> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing.  He didn't even blink an eye.

> Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message

news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...

> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had apointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.

Jerking choking and shockin and lockin dogs
in boxes and ignoring their cries makes their
dogs go "EWWWW" but they don't NOTICE
EXXXCEPT to spray BINACA in their eyes
and jerk and choke them on pronged spiked
pinch choke collars and shock and spray MOORE
aversives in their faces.

Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL cause
the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's been sprayed
in the face and the dog won't know HOWE COME
IT was MACED?

> >  My dogs are not human children wearing
> > fur- they are DOGS.

They're DUMB ANIMALS they HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.

> Leah wrote:

> >Ian
> >Dunbar has me convinced that (1) a dog
> > who lunges and bites and doesn't even
> >HURT is not a dangerous dog,

> Interesting.  I just read someone else's take
> on the same seminar, and let's say they had
> a very different opinion than yours.

> I also disagree with his opinion.  dangerous
> comes in many forms.

> PLEASE Leah - read, listen and don't jump
> on any "I am goD" bandwagons.  Take
> all information for what it is - opinion.

> Janet Boss
> http://bestfriendsdogobedience .com/
> http://photos.yahoo.com/bestfr iendsobedience

From: "Jennifer" <msjh...@gmail.com>
Date: 13 May 2005 07:25:15 -0700
Subject: Re: diagnosis frustration

Janet B wrote:

> Even when the answers are bad, I like ANSWERS.  Where
> my little Carey-kitty is involved, we never seem to have
> any.  She's been "sick" for the last 3 years and we've
> never been able to figure out just what's going on with her.

>  I'm trying to not add up the costs, as they just keep mounting.

I completely agree.  Undiagnosable, untreatable problems are
incredibly frustrating. Thanks for hanging in there.

Your comrade in not-knowing-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-her-cat,
Jennifer

BWEEEEAAAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

janet's kats are DYING from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME:

From: Janet B <j...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com>
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:30:03 -0400
Subject: diagnosis frustration

Even when the answers are bad, I like ANSWERS.  Where my little
Carey-kitty is involved, we never seem to have any.  She's been
"sick" for the last 3 years and we've never been able to figure
out just what's going on with her.  I'm trying to not add up the
costs, as they just keep mounting.

Carey is an almost 12 year old tortie with numerous problems over
the 3 years, related to behavior, urinary issues, weight loss, and
early on, paralysis as well.  We've had tests out the wazoo, have
seen standard general practice vets as well as a neurologist, tried
various medications, and we still have no real answers.

I'm hoping those come soon, but the preliminary aren't great choices.

After raising her Elavil level to combat inappropriate urination, she
tore her ACL.  That appears to be healing slowly.  She's been at the
vet numerous times in the last few weeks and we started seeing a
different vet, closer to home this week.

That was after she projectile vomited 2 meals, and was passing bloody
urine, on Monday.  After a few small puddles of that, her urine was
not bloody and she was back to eating without problem.  All day
Tuesday was fine.  Saw vet on Wednesday, and x-rayed her bladder, and
embarked on more tests (last full bloodwork was last August).  She has
a HUGE palpable thyroid gland, yet her thyroid tests (free T-4 still
waiting) have all been normal.  She weighs 7# and is skin and bones,
and has been for quite a long time.  She eats well (1 full can of
Trader Joe's cat food and 1/2 can Fancy Feast daily) and plays with
the other cat, loves on the dogs, etc.

5 minutes after coming home from the vet on Wednesday, she squatted on
the floor and let loose a large puddle of bloody urine.  No blood in
urine since.  Her urinalysis shows no issues.

Her kidneys look fine on x-rays, but her test results show renal
insufficiency, but not failure.

We're still waiting for more test results, but so far, we have no
answers.  Does anyone have any thoughts?

--

From: Janet B <j...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com>
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:16:20 -0400
Subject: Re: diagnosis frustration

On Fri, 13 May 2005 08:57:31 -0500, kaeli

<tiny_...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote:

> I'm sorry to hear Carey has been so sick.
> My first thought was not a good one -- cancer.

Thanks.  Unfortunately, that's what my vet has said as well.
Having dealt with it with a few pets now, it didn't hit me
quite like the ton of bricks as the first time I heard that
diagnosis, but it still is hard to hear that it's a potential.

The last 2 days, she's been galloping and eating and acting
like "hey - I'm ok - no problem - don't worry about me!".

She's a tough little cat, but obviously not a well one.

She's adored by all beings in this household, so we'll do
whatever we need to for her as we find out (or not) more.
Right now she's curled up with her kitty-"brother" and
seems happy as she can be.

--
Janet B

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
From: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
Date: 24 Feb 2004 16:08:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Russian Blue running away - help!

> From: "Gail" g...@earthlink.net
> I wonder if a scat mat will help. It is a mat that is
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> one of my cats started urinating there. They were great.
> Gail

A scat mat directly in front of the door, can be stepped
OVER by the humans, but teach the cat to avoid the door area.

I think it's a great solution.

BTW they can run on a 9V battery, so no wires are needed.

They are fixtures on my leather furniture to stop kitties
from peeing there!

Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
From: Janet B <j...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com>
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 14:18:15 -0400

Subject: Re: Electric shock pad

On 8 Aug 2005 11:03:01 -0700, "mystro"
<highpur...@gmail.com>, clicked
their heels and said:

>I'm trying to find a link or resource for purchasing training shock
>pad,a pad that gives a slight shock using flashlight batteries and
>perfectly harmless and from what little I've read..quite effective.
>Help  :)

it's called a Scat Mat.  Google that and you'll find several sources.

--
Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.co m
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ bestfriendsobedience/album

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
From: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
Date: 03 Nov 2003 19:25:20 GMT

Subject: Re: Keeping cat out of room.

>From: "Iso" nos...@hotmail.com
>The mats, regardless of what you think WORK and are HARMLESS.

Just another opinion that Scat Mats are pretty useful tools.

Rather than have my youngest cat continue to ruin my
leather furniture, we have Scat Mats on the sofa and
chair.

When they are off, and we're sitting on that furniture,
Skip is allowed on and in our laps, etc.  When the mats
are on, I can be happy with the fact that he's not
urinating on the leather!

The static charge isn't much at all - it's a deterrent,
and a good one.

Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
From: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
Date: 04 Nov 2003 21:35:43 GMT

Subject: Re: Declawing: glad I took the time

Kaeli wrote:

> Some of us feel that declawing a cat is tantamount
> to torture. You don't torture something you profess
> to love. Period. You don't even take the chance that
> it might be tortured. Period.

I fully understand that (and the analogy of other groups
who feel strongly about issue "x").  I think there is a
very, very large group of people who choose or think about
declawing, do so not because they want to take a chance
that the animal they love may be tortured, but because
of a variety of experiences/advice that says it's an ok
thing to do (not torture in general - declawing!).

Take the neighbor's attitude ("just" a cat?  NO cat is
"just" anything! ;-D). One shared by many, to some degree.
Lot's of priorities.  Interesting thread on RPDB recently
about people willing to die/put themselves in the line of
fire for their dogs.

It was interesting to read the range of thoughts on such
a thing.  Obviously, people give different weight to
different beings and things.

While I am their caregiver and friend, I don't put
pets in the same category as humans.

I declawed my first cat, because my experiences said that
is what you did with an indoor cat (had lived with many
cats owned by others).  She used her claws inappropriately
as a kitten, and my meager attempts at clawing devices
didn't work, so I thought nothing of it.

Since she exhibited no obvious ill effects, my experience
(and hers as far as anyone could tell) was a positive one.

Knowing more of what it entailed, I chose not to declaw my
next cat (owned in tandem with cat #1 and then cat #3).
He was an adult acquisition and I knew such a thing would
be more difficult for him, but also, he was very trainable
and I didn't even consider it.

Cat #3 was a claw maniac, and due to my experiences with
Cat #1, I went ahead with a declaw.  Once again, I have
never seen any backlashes due to the operation, and I
would put up with anything if I'm lucky enough to have
her for many more years, which isn't all that likely.

She's doing well on meds currently, and maintaining,
if not gaining any weight.

Once I was ready for cat #4, I knew that I wouldn't choose
this route again. Not because of gory pictures, not because
of scare tactics about what my declawed cat would become,
but because I realized that more tools could make the
difference and it wasn't something that I really wanted
to do.

I didn't want to cause a kitten pain (even though others
didn't seem to experience any!), nor any physical or
emotional problems.  So, I have a fully clawed cat who
pees on things - oh well! ;-D  He's a wonderful cat in
every other way!

> If you love your furniture more than your cat's right
> to not be mutilated, you are going to draw some venom
> in a cat newsgroup.

Again, why is it either/or?

Can't someone value their belongings and their cat too?

I choose to protect my furniture with Sticky Paws (I forgot
they were there - probably time to take them off - it's been
almost 2 years with no interest!) and with Scat Mats (not
from claws but from urine).

Some folks posting here think that's a horrible thing to do.

People who have obviously never felt a Scat Mat!  But balloons,
snappy trainers, etc are recommended.  A lot of contradictory
thoughts here, so I can't say that it's all rational.

Passion rarely is though - and I actually appreciate
that for the most part!

It's obvious that each one of us has our own limits.

Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine

gn.net/kae lisSpace

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
From: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
Date: 23 Jan 2004 21:21:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Protecting leather furniture

> But would a scat mat keep a cat from clawing
> the side of the couch?
>--
>~kaeli~

no - it's only good for the pee problem!

Never showed any interest in clawing, and
"launch" marks disappeared easily, as good
leather "heals" itself.

Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
From: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
Date: 04 Jun 2003 12:10:19 GMT

Subject: a few frustrations - a little long.
Mostly venting, but any thoughts are welcome!

#1 - Skipjack.  1.5 y.o. neutered male blue tabby.

Incredibly sweet and affectionate, sleeps against me
all night, on my lap every moment he can be. Eats well
(Solid Gold dry, various brands of canned - small amounts -
not much interest), uses his litter box, only scratches
his tree and a few mats that have been approved, and is
a very nice cat.  Let's anyone carry him around forever
and is very social.  Gets along well with 2 dogs and
another cat. But................

He also urinates on other things.  Sofas (where we sit) -
frequency of maybe every few months.  Wires.  Phone or
speaker wires (thin), that are at floor level.  Scrapes
around at them and urinates on them on hard surface flooring.

Maybe once every few weeks.  Dog beds and dog's sofa
(I have baby mattress pads on these, under the covers
in order to just have to do wash!) - once every few
weeks. Guest bed - used or freshly washed sheets.
Full laundry basket - random, if available, not often.

Anything that can go in the wash has gotten soaked and
washed in hot water, Oxyclean added.  Anything not machine
washable gets a thorough cleaning with Simple Solution Cat
Urine Cleaner (which I found seems to work better than Nature's
Miracle for this).

Feliway has been used to varying success.

Most recently, he urinated on a sofa cushion within a
few hours of spraying it with Feliway.

I have 2 cats, 2 litterboxes.  One crystals, which he prefers,
one scoopable, which my other cat prefers.  Both are kept
incredibly clean.  No problem using the box, even when workmen
were in the room - I see him use it regularly and tell him what
a good kitty he is for doing so.

A little history - when he came home at 5 months old last
February (2002), he had a bad case of the squirts and managed
to fly around with liquid poop being released all over my sofas.

We cleared that up, washed everything thoroughly (sofas have
2 sets of machine washable slipcovers, and the leather sofa
he christened has a scat mat on it now), and thought we had
conquered any problems.

He is quite the perfect cat except for this issue and it's
very random as to where and when he decides to urinate.

I'm not happy with the situation of course, and can't quite
figure out what's going on.  He doesn't have a UTI and has
normal elimination patterns as far as frequency.

He does not do this in my bedroom, the other guest bedroom,
the kitchen or dining room.

If you've read this far, I have another cat and problem! ;-D

#2 Carey. Almost 10 y.o. spayed tortie.  Neurological problems
(probabl brain tumor, other things ruled out).  Has been on Pred
and Valium for a bit over a year,  and has dropped from a bit over
9# to less than 7# (all thyroid tests came back normal).

She's a happy and sweet cat who bugs me for her pills every
morning.  She has a problem with raised (even happy) voices
where she attacks the dogs.  I've talked about that here before.

The dogs are saints and have never reacted adversely to her
doing this.  I can pick her up during these episodes and she
doesn't attack me, but is hell bent on trying to attack the
dogs.  There have been times where the dogs noises have
triggered this.  She gets along well with the younger cat.

She adores the dogs otherwise, and that's really the problem
more than the attacking (we've all kind of learned to live
with that!).

She obsesses over them.

When she was a kitten, she nursed on my Golden Retriever
so much that she needed surgery for hair blockage.  She
ceased the behavior until she was 5.5 and when another
dog died, then she resumed.

She transferred that to another dog after the Golden died
1.5 years later, and now it's just increased to a difficult
level.

She does this to both of my dogs, mostly at nighttime or
whenever they are napping in my bedroom.  She will do it
to the one dog in other locations as well.  During the day,
it's not so bad.

The dogs look confused but tolerate it, even though she's
latched onto them with her mouth and rear claws.  She
attaches herself to various parts of their bodies.

Nighttime is the problem - we're not getting any sleep!

Skipjack sleeps on the bed, the dogs sleep on their dog
beds or her favorite dog sleeps under the bed.

She will not leave her alone!

Poor Lucy gets up and leaves the room, only for Carey
to follow her, and she winds up pacing around, which
keeps us awake.  She just isn't deterred.  She can be
lifted off, tossed off, grumbled at, but she will not
leave the dogs alone until she's good and ready.

The only rooms that can be closed off are either across
the hall or under our room.  She's a very vocal cat and
will meow like crazy if confined away from everyone else,
so that won't help sleep.

Any thoughts of novel things to try with either of these
kitties?  I adore them but their habits are driving me
up the wall at times!

Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
Hailey - 17 Aug 2005 06:54 GMT
> Our cat Mr. Moonshine, is a 10 month old male. He is well behaved for the
> most part. He is an indoor cat with the exception that he is allowed to hang
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.

The spray bottle is abusive? Oh good Lord! It's only water! How is it
abusive?
I haven't been reading the board long so I missed that one. We use the
spray bottle (water only) and it helps Tucker when he's going nuts.
Helps him as much as us. And he's another that does exactly as you
described, with the digging at the carpet!

beats the alternatives.

hailey
treeline12345@yahoo.com - 17 Aug 2005 12:28 GMT
He's young. Is he stressed out by anything else? His health okay, no
parasite? He is not a feral? I noticed my cat is always watching for
the others, even if not there, but she does not attack me unless I am
grabbing her at the same time. In which case, I make sure to grab her
from behind. About the spray bottle being abusive, I have not run
across that any place. Of course the cat thinks it's abusive :)
ThePuppyProphet@AniMail.Net - 18 Aug 2005 20:36 GMT
HOWEDY hailey,

> > Our cat Mr. Moonshine, is a 10 month old male.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> > screaming these blood curdling un-catlike meows
> > and he hisses.

He's AFRAID.

> >  He has attacked me during these fits

That AIN'T NO COINCIDENCE. It's called MISDIRECTED
AGGRESSION and it's CAUSED BY ABUSE.

> > several times without even touching him, he will
> > jump up and grab my leg and tear the crap out of
> > it. Now he is paranoid and throws these fits
> > regularly at night near the window or door even
> > if the cat is not there because he thinks he is.

That kat is havin an OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE DISORDER.

> > He does this constantly and wakes us up every night
> > I tried closing the blinds but he goes underneath
> > them to look outside so he can be paranoid.

SEE?

> > I have tried everything I can think of, even tried
> > letting him run after the cat so he can get over
> > this fear. But 1) he won't run after him and 2)
> > the other cat runs away before I can even let him
> > go.

THINK ALLELOMIMETIC BEHAVIOR...

> > Don't know what to do and my leg is pretty tore up.

As it SHOULD BE.

> > On a second thought-
> >
> > Generally it seems that everyone on this board is
> > against using the "spray bottle"

Oh, INDEED.

> > and it seems to be understood that cats only claw
> > on things because it is a natural thing so their
> > nails can shed off (whatever you call it). My cat
> > claws the carpet when a door is shut in the house
> > and he wants in the room.

THAT'S BARRIER FRUSTRATION SYNDROME.

> > He gets super pissed off and claws the hell out of
> > the carpet like he is trying to dig a hole underneath
> > the door.

SURPRIZE SURPRIZE SURPRIZE???

Naaah, what the heel do you EXXXPECT when you
create a barrier and the kat NATURALLY WANTS
to DIG UNDER IT.

> > To this I find using the "spray bottle" is the
> > best humane way to keep him from destroying
> > everything

Well THAT'S HOWE COME HE GOT A OCD.

> > as I am against de-clawing.

RIGHT... so long as you can CON-TROLL his
destructive PAINICK and ATTACK SCRATCHING
on accHOWENT of HE'S BEEN ABUSED.

> >  But if the spray bottle is as abusive as
> > listed on these boards,

crystal h MEANS, ACCORDING TO HER OWN POSTED
CASE HISTORY... kitty kat lovers <{); ~ ) >

> > what other options are there?

You could PRAISE him and he'd FEEL SAFE and S-HOWEND.

> > Any suggestions would be appreciated.

But the KITTY KAT LOVERS DON'T WANNA DO THAT.

> The spray bottle is abusive?

READ HER OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY AGIAN, halfwit.

>  Oh good Lord!

HOWE the HEEL do you THINK he GOT FEARFUL and AGGRESSIVE?

ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR.

ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY ABUSE.

ALL AGGRESSION IS LEARNED.

> It's only water!

So? It SCARES kitty kats and MAKE THEM FEAR
and MISTRUST YOU, his PROTECTOR. THAT'S HOWE
COME the kitty is is having PAINICK ATTACKS
you freakin simpletons.

> How is it abusive?

LOOK AT HER RESULTS, jackass.

> I haven't been reading the board long so I missed that one.

You PROBABLY SEE IT ALL THE TIME AND NEVER THINK OF IT
AS ABUSE on accHOWENT of THAT would MAKE YOU AN ABUSER
and you'll DO and SAY ANY THING to DEFEND your parents
for TEACHIN YOU HOWE to be AN ABUSER. IT WAS P-HOWENDED
INTO YOUR PSYCHE by your resentful neglectful yet doting
parents.

THAT'S HOWE COME THIS IS The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORIES <{): ~ ) >

The Amazing Puppy Wizard NEEDS YOUR POSTED CASE HISTORIES.

> We use the spray bottle (water only) and it helps
> Tucker when he's going nuts.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!!

THAT'S HOWE COME HE GOES NUT.

> Helps him as much as us.

AND HE ATTACKS YOU LIKEWIZE...

>  And he's another that does exactly as you
> described, with the digging at the carpet!

Duh-Oh???

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

> beats the alternatives.

You mean SURGICALLY MUTILATING or MURDERIN IT.

> hailey

Looks like The Amazing Pussy Wizard got HISSELF
a DHOWEBLE HEADER! Thank you, HE COULDN'T DO THIS
WITHOWET YOUR FREE HEELP!

Date: 16 Aug 2005 06:45:46 -0700
Subject: Re: Help!!!! How do i train my Dachshund pup

HOWEDY matty,

Rocky wrote:
> "hangar18" <soni.somara...@wipro.com> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> > 1. My wife and me head out to work by 10 and we get back by
> > about   7. Hes ALONE at home the whole day. By the time we
> > come back ,the poor baby has no place to relieve himself
> > but the house and hence the whole house becomes his
> > playground!! What do we do??

He could paper train his dog in WON DAY, matty.

> Restrict his access within the house.

That's HOWE COME DOGS HAVE HOWEsbreakin PROBLEMS, matty.

>  He's in a brand new area without the support
>  of his mother and siblings and is probably
>  overwhelmed.

THAT'S INSANE, matty. He's THREE MONTHS OLD. Scott
& Fuller and The Amazing Puppy Wizard sez SIX WEEKS
is the right age for a puppy to leave the litterbox.

> While you're gone, either use a crate or fence off
> an area in an easily cleaned area of your house,

He could TRAIN his dog in WON DAY to RESPECT HIS HOWES
and use the newspapers, matty. You oughta KNOW THAT on
accHOWENT of you're IN THE BUSINESS of SELLING DOGGY
DAY CARE to unwitting stooges, REMEMBER matty?

> like the kitchen.

HOWE COME would he lock the dog in the kitchen
if he could TRAIN his dog in WON DAY not to
destroy his HOWES and to use newspapers when
necessary, matty?

>  Crating vs. a restricted area have advantages and
>  disadvantages,

That so? You're full of crap, matty. Locking dogs
in boxes CAUSES ANXXXIHOWESNESS and CONfHOWENDS
HOWEsbreaking, matty.

THAT'S HOWE COME YOU SELL DOGGY DAY CARE in
your ILLEGAL UNLICENSED UNINSURED SHOCK FENCE
CONTAINED doggy BnB, matty. REMEMBER? You're
giving BAD ADVICE so you can SELL your ILLEGAL
DOGGY DAY CARE BUSINESS.

> so go with whichever method works best for you

Locking dogs in boxes and restricting their food and
water and SCHEDULING them MAKES DOGS INSANE, matty.

>  and with which you can be the most consistent.

BWEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

HE CAN'T LOCK HIS DOG IN A BOX FOR NINE HOWERS A DAY, matty.

Ooops! THAT MEANS HE NEEDS YOUR ILLEGAL UNLICENSED
UNINSURED SHOCK FENCE CON-TROLLED DOGGY DAY CARE!

HURRRAAAY!

> While you're home, he needs constant supervision

THAT'LL teach the dog all he needs to do is
lift his leg or take sumpthing and he'll GET
100% of his UNDIVIDED ATTENTION, matty. THAT'S
HOWE COME all your MENTALLY ILL PALS GOT THE
SAME PROBLEMS, matty. REMEMBER?

> as well as being put on a strict schedule for going outside.

THAT MAKES DOGS INSANE, matty.

> When he does pee or poo outside, he needs
> to know that he did the right thing,

HOWEsbreaking is INSTINCTIVE at four weeks, matty.
He DON'T WANT to teach his dog to NEED to be walked
on accHOWENT of he's ALONE 9 HOWERS A DAY, REMEMBER
MATTY?

Ooops! THAT MEANS HE NEEDS YOUR ILLEGAL UNLICENSED
UNINSURED SHOCK FENCE CON-TROLLED DOGGY DAY CARE!

HURRRAAAAY!

> so praise him (or whatever works well with him).

You mean, AFTER HE'S DONE GOIN so you don't DISTRACT him, matty?

> > 2. Will this fact that we're not at home afect him in any
> > way? I take him out for a good hour in the morning provided
> > it doesnt rain

> Rain doesn't matter.

It does matter, matty. Even a DOG knows enough
to come in HOWETA the ran, and even Mr. Squirrel
KNOWS DOGS DON'T GO HOWET IN THE RAIN and THAT'S
when he PLANNED HIS ATTACK on The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's fig tree... but THAT was THWARTED by
a VERY SENSITIVE indoors dog who KNEW Mr. Squirrel
was up to his TRICKS, JUST LIKE HOWE The Amazing
Puppy Wizard knows when you are UP TO YOUR TRICKS,
matty.

>  He gets wet and so do you.  At this stage,
> it's important that you accompany him - both
> so you're absolutely sure he's gone and so
> that you can praise him when he has.

You mean, instead of tellin him to use the newspapers, matty?

HOWE COME you don't know HOWE to train a dog
to use papers and NOT DEPEND on them when they
can ASK TO GO HOWET, matty? MIGHT THAT BE on
accHOWENT of YOU DON'T KNOW HOWE to TRAIN a
dog to ASK to go HOWET on accHOWENT of you
tell folks to WALK IT EVERY HOWER or two, matty?

> > and at times depending on our timings take
> > him out in the night too ..If we dont go out, I see to it
> > that I play with him through the evening at home. Is this
> > enough? Or do we need to hire someone to stay with him the
> > whole day ( please let this be the last option).

> He's going to have to at least pee while you're gone,

And he's gonna need a couple meals, to boot, matty.

> so if you want him to be properly housetrained,

HOWE abHOWET FOOD, matty? The pup is only 12 weeks old.
HE NEEDS THREE or FOUR FEEDINGS a day, matty <{); ~ ) >

>  he must be let out during the day.

No, all he NEEDS is a few sheets of newspaper
on a tray in the corner near a door or in the
kitchen and he'll be FINE so long as noWON
BOTHERS HIM like HOWE you do your dogs, matty.

>   A neighbour?

You think he's got a neighbor like yourself who
SELLS DOGGY DAY CARE and TRAINING, matty?

> Dogwalking service?

You mean, like your pals here abHOWETS SELL, matty?

> > 3. This is my problem but since this is my first pet , I
> > tend to lose my temper at times when he relieves himself at
> > home though the door is open and he can go out.

NO PROBLEMO, matty. The Amazing Puppy Wizard
already FIXED THAT problem by giving him the
INSTRUCTIONS to pupperly handle and train his
dog using EFFECTIVE NON PHYSICAL CONDITIONING.

You know, the kind YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR abHOWET
on accHOWENT of IT COSTS YOU BUSINESS, eh matty.

> You must put this puppy on a schedule -

That's INSANE, matty. The Amazing Puppy Wizard
doesn't keep HIS dogs on a schedule on accHOWENT
of it MAKES DOGS GO INSANE, matty.

> he hasn't yet figured out how to tell you that he
> needs to go out, nor does he understand your open
> door policy.

He DON'T NEED TO UNDERSTAND NUTHING, matty. Dogs
HOWEsbreak INSTINCTIVELY at four weeks if you
don't PUNISH THEM, matty, and THAT'S HOWE COME
the dog is SHITTIN INSIDE HIS HOWES despite the
open door, matty. Probably WATCHING him has likeWIZE
contributed to this "HOWESBREAKING PROBLEM".

> You need to take him outside when you think he needs to go.

THAT'LL DISAVAIL the pup of LEARNING HOWE TO ASK TO GO HOWET, matty.

>  With a puppy with such a tiny bladder,

Don't DO that, matty. A little dog can CONTRAIN HISSELF
as long as a larger dog, they only PEE LESS, matty, you
simpleton.

> you'll be right 100% of the time.

NOT if it's RANININ or COLD and he DON'T NEED TO GO HOWET, matty.

> > I am trying to maintain my composure but at times when
> > the whole house is clean and he does it, i tend to lose
> > it. (This was for my benefit, I had to tell someone:))

> You obviously know that losing your temper doesn't help.

THAT'S THE PREDICTABLE RESULTS of FOLLOWIN YOUR INSTRUCTIONS, matty.

>  All you're really teaching him is to be afraid of
>  you and, depending on your timing, to pee and poo
> where and when you can't see him.

SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!

> This works against you in all sorts of training issues.

That so, matty?

> > 4. When do i buy him a leash and what kind should I buy?
> > Should it be a body leash or the normal one?

> Someone who knows Dachshunds and their neck/back
> issues will answer.

You mean, someWON who knows LESS abHOWET HOWEsbreaking
than you do, matty? You mean, someWON who'll BLAME THE
BREED for not bein trainable, like your mental case pal
tara o. aka tee, matty?

> --
> --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

HOWEDY bizby40,

bizby40 wrote:
> > Thanks Rocky.  I think this little guy is pretty hard headed -
> > yes, I meant shreiking in a loud way.  The shreiking seems to
> > egg him on even more - it doesn't make him want to avoid us!

> > I neglected to mention that I have also tried ignoring him &
> > redirecting him.  If I ignore him, by turning my back or walking
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> > trying everything:)) A friend stopped by today & said her son uses
> > a squirt bottle when his puppy bites & it seems to be working.

> > Any thoughts on that?  He loves water & I hate to turn him off
> > water by using squirt bottle on him.

> > Pauline

> My little guy is pretty nippy too.

You mean you got the same problem for the same reason,
don't you, bizby40. CuriHOWES AIN'T IT, HOWE you and
a few of them other DOG LOVERS with PUPPY BITING and
HOWEsbreaking problems done your DUE DILLIGENCE pryor
to gettin your puppys and DONE EVERY THING EXXXACTLY
PRECISELY as the MENTAL CASES whose posts you'd been
READIN and posting to here for a long time even pryor
to gettin your new PROBLEM puppys, told you to, AIN'T IT.

CuriHOWES AIN'T IT, HOWE ALL of you DOG LOVERS
GOT THE SAME SAME SAME SAME PROBLEMS which The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Students NEVER HAVE, bizby40.

> I don't know if I'd call it biting exactly,

Well, you can just CHANGE THE WORDS bizby40.

> as much as puppy mouthing/chewing.

AND IT HURTS. THAT'S BITING, ain't it, bizby40.

>  It seems like healways wants to be chewing on something.

Your dog is HYPERACTIVE and you've had him only month or so.

>   Nonetheless, it hurts,

But you AIN'T SHORE if THAT'S biting or not, bizby40?

>  and isn't something we want to encourage.

YOU TAUGHT YOUR DOG TO DO THAT by followin the
ADVICE of these PROFITEERS who BILK dummies like
you HOWETA your HARD EARNED DOUGH to SELL you
their miserable books and TRAINING LESSONS and
DAY CARE for your HOWETA CON-TROLL puppys, bizby40.

> Mine only does it when we're actively playing,

Ahhh, so you KNOW WHEN he's gonna do it yet STILL
DON'T KNOW HOWE to EXXXTINGUISH ANY repeatable
predictable consistent behavior, like SHITTIN ALL
OVER YOUR HOWESES on accHOWENT of you lock them in
boxes and ignore their cries and spray aversives in
their faces and intimidate and choke them as your
own POSTED CASE HISTORY will reflect, bizby40.

> so I'm not sure the situations are equivalent.

ALL BEHAVIORS ARE THE SAME SAME, bizby40.

>  What I've done is to make sure I always have a soft
> toy or his blanket there when I'm playing with him.

You mean as a REWARD for biting.

> As we play and he grasps around for something to
> chew on, I just make sure the toy is right there.

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

>  I don't let go of it though, because within seconds,
>  he's dropped it and is looking for something else -

Like your hands or clothing...

> - I just give it right back to him.

You mean you REINFORCE the BAD behavior, bizby40.

> If he gets *too* wild, playtime is over.

You mean you LOCK IT IN A BOX and IGNORE his cries someMOORE.

> I just put him down.

Then he bites you.

> As he's too little to jump on the sofa, all I have
> to do is pull my legs up and I'm "safe."  :-)

THAT'S HOWE we TRAIN ATTACK DOGS, bizby40.

> He does sometimes get my fingers

That VARIABLY REINFORCES his BAD BEHAVIOR.

> despite my best efforts,

You mean, doin what the EXXXPERTS TAUGHT YOU, bizby40?

>  and I'll give a yelp when he does.

To HYPEREXXXCITE the pup, JUST LIKE HOWE we do
when ATTACK TRAINING a dog, eh bizby40? You got
the RIGHT INSTRUCTIONS but for the WRONG PROBLEM,
bizby40. You're TRAINING your dogs to ATTACK YOU.

> I don't know if I'm doing the right things or not,

You're DOIN FINE, bizby40. The Amazing Puppy Wizard
NEEDS YOUR POSTED CASE HISTORY to PROVE The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME, bizby40 <{): ~ ) >

>  but he has calmed down a lot in the few weeks I've had him.

No bizby40, he was PERFECT when you got him just
a few weeks ago, and YOU RUINED HIM ALREADY JUST
LIKE HOWE you done your children, bizby40.

>   It helps that he's a really smart puppy

INDEED?

> and already has a good idea of what he can, and cannot chew.

TILL YOU TURN YOUR BACK.

> Bizby

Got some BAD NEWS for you, bizby... you got MunchHOWESN
SYNDROME by Proxy, bizby40, JUST LIKE the rest of these
DOG and CHILD ABUSING MENTAL CASES GOT:

HOWEDY pauline,

Pauline O'Connell wrote:
> Thank you so much Matt.  I've printed out your advise

You mean the ADVICE which The Amazing Puppy Wizard gives
when TRAINING DOGS TO ATTACK, pauline? THINK abHOWET the
"ADVICE" matty gave you. He told you to NOT REACT to your
puppy's BONDING BEHAVIOR by TURNING arHOWEND and IGNORING
IT for 3 seconds, to INCREASE ANXXXIHOWESNESS and TRIGGER
the VISUAL ORAL REFLEX, then QUICKLY GIVE the dog SUMPTHIN
to BITE ON as a REWARD for his BONDING BITING, pauline.

THAT'S PRECISELY HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard TURNS ON
new attack training students, pauline...

> & will work on the consistency.

INDEEDY! You'll NOTICE please, the CONSISTENCY with
which EVERY POSTER HERE GOT THE SAME PROBLEM, pauline.

Know WHAT THAt PROBLEM IS, pauline? You've all got
MunchHOWESEN SYNDROME by PROXY <{) :* ~ (  >

>  I know he's just a puppy,

                    A DOG Is A Dog;
                   As A KAT Is A KAT;
                 As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
                As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
              As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

> he's learning so many other things so quickly,

     ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

             ALL Critters Only Respond In
          PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
             INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
    To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
              Which We Create For Them.

     Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
          We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
            And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

> I thought we just hadn't hit on the magic
> formula for the biting.

You mean, locking your dog in a box and jerking
and choking and ignoring her cries and denying
and withholding attention affection rewards and
unconditional love trust and respect and shreiking
and hurting and intimidating your dogs JUST LIKE
HOWE you do to your kids JUST LIKE HOWE your parents
and child psychologists taught you, pauline.

      You Get The Critter You Trained

              A Dog Is A Dog
            As A Kat Is A Kat
          As A Birdie Is A Birdie
           As A Child Is A Child
        As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

       ALL Critters Only Respond In
  PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE
              REFLEXIVE Ways
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
         Which We Create For Them.

        Damn The Descartean War of
          "Nature Vs Nurture."
    We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
       And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

  In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
          FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
              SAME SAME,
 For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

> My husband says I pick him up too much & today,
> it dawned on me that he's probably right.

Yeah, TOO MUCH TLC, eh dog lovers?

> (He's so cute though.)

INDEED?

> When I sit at my computer or my sewing machine, he
> gets really yappy & snappy.  I think it's because
> he can't get up on the chair with me & when I sit
> watching TV, he can fit on the chair with me - for
> a few more months anyway.

LIKE THIS:

CNYstitcher wrote:

 5-Trying to baste a quilt while your 4yo is watching
 is next to impossible because said child wants to "help"

From: "Pauline O'Connell" <poco...@pacbell.net>
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 15:02:46 GMT

Subject: Re: what next?

I'm sure you were sent very special children for a reason -
cause you're a very special mom, who will love & care for
your two like no other.

BWEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!!

> He's a Brittany, so he'll be too big for sharing the chair
> with me.  Tonight, I had a meeting to go to & when I left
> the house, I thought I heard him crying - my husband said
> he cried for a long time after I left, so I do think I've
> been babying him too much.

Right. Wouldn't wanna BABY IT too much...

> Thanks again for your advise - I'll keep you posted
> if we achieve success.

BWEEEEEEAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

      "The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
                        Never Change,
        Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not Obtain
            Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
                      For All Handler's
                        And All Dogs,
                      NEARLY INSTANTLY,
      As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
           WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
                The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ )  >

> Pauline
> > "Pauline O'Connell" <poco...@pacbell.net> said in
> > rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> >> If I ignore him, by turning my back
> >> or walking away, he starts nipping at my legs.

> > Don't walk away, just turn your back - go neutral on him and
> > don't give him *any* feedback for a count of 3.  As soon as you
> > return your attention to him, you're all sweetness and light and
> > just happen to have a very interesting squeaky toy in your
> > possession.

> >> If we
> >> redirect him, by giving him a chew toy he enjoys it, only
> >> stops the biting for a few seconds, before he gets back to
> >> biting the flesh.

> > Then do it again.  And again.  You're dealing with a puppy brain
> > here.  And don't just hand him the toy and expect *him* to make
> > it interesting - right now, that's your job.  So, squeak it,
> > move it around, and yes, tug it with him.

> > If it doesn't work with one toy, try another.

> >> (Told you, we've been trying everything:))

> > To tell you the truth, that could be a big part of the problem.
> > *Consistency* is the secret to most things dog.

> >> A friend stopped by today & said her son uses
> >> a squirt bottle when his puppy bites & it seems to be
> >> working.  Any thoughts on that?  He loves water & I hate to
> >> turn him off water by using a squirt bottle on him.

> > Playing and interacting with a brand new puppy is a wonderful
> > bonding time.  Puppy nipping is not a big deal and with
> > consistent attention mixed with a little bit of growing up,
> > your's will stop.  Right now, he's playing in the only way he
> > knows, so you have to teach him more people-friendly ways to
> > play.

> > A correction (like the squirt bottle) won't do much good in the
> > long run because he doesn't yet understand what you want him to
> > do.

> > --
> > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.98.

Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
From: "Pauline O'Connell" <poco...@pacbell.net>
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 22:40:42 GMT

Subject: Re: A proposal re: HUGs

My feelings (as sensitive as they are) weren't hurt; I'm
just one of those people who wants to do the "right" thing
& not offend anyone either!  But thank you for the totally
unnecessary apology.  You did explain things perfectly &
this is all part of a learning experience - yes?

Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
From: "Pauline O'Connell" <poco...@pacbell.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 05:39:23 GMT

Subject: Re: did you all get what you wanted??

I got almost everything that was on my wish list - except for
a puppy:)  I knew that wouldn't happen, cause I want to pick
it out together with DH, but a promise of a puppy would have
been nice!  Not to worry - I'm signing up to raise a Guide
Dog for a year - I know it will kill me to give it up, but
I'm trying to focus on the greater good!

Pauline

THAT'S HOWE COME 65% of those dogs FAIL TRAINING.

> CNYstitcher wrote:
> > 5-Trying to baste a quilt while your 4yo is watching
> > is next to impossible because said child wants to "help"

From: "Pauline O'Connell" <poco...@pacbell.net>
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 15:02:46 GMT

Subject: Re: what next?

I'm sure you were sent very special children for a reason -
cause you're a very special mom, who will love & care for
your two like no other.

Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
From: CNYstitcher <s...@therctqdirectory.com>
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 11:35:17 GMT
Subject: OT: what next?

So, by now, most of you know about the past year os chaos -
CPS being called on us by one of Thomas' teachers (case
closed as no evidence could be found), Thomas being diagnosed
with a disability, Rebekah being born almost a month early.

Well, yesterday, I got another roundhouse
punch out of the blue.

Rebeklah went in for her 1 year checkup, got 1 vaccine, and
I thought everything was okey dokey.  However, the docotr is
concerned about her growth.  Apparently, she has only gained
8oz in 3 months, which isn't good at all.  At 1 year, she only
says mama, and only recently started crawling.  DOctor asked
about her eating habits, so I told him (she stopped eating
baby food and would only tkae bottles, and sometimes she
would refuse them, however, she *would* eat small bits of the
food the rest of the family ate).  Turns out, she isn't getting
enough calories to support brain development and growth.

WWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA­AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH­HHHHHHHHHHH!!

Doctor is referring us to Early Intervention so that they can
do an evaluation on Rebekah to see where she needs help, and I
am going to try to feed her as much as possible, trying to reach
700 calories a day, which means detailed diaries of what she
actually eats.  We almost reached 700 by bedtime last night, but
she ended up staying up until the wee hours, and was awake at 5am
(which meant I was up that early, and then Thomas woke up at 6am
with a nightmare...yes, I'm exhausted).

I had my bout of feeling like a total failur with both of my
children - one has a disability and on is failing to thrive....
it *must* be my fault.  But I'm pretty much over that now.

Still, I feel as if I have let them down in some way,
so I am trying to "fix" what I can.

I just feel really low and kind of locked up creatively and
everything else.  Since I was up so early, I managed to start
working on DHs renaissance costume shirt, but I don't know if
I can progress any further today...so much to do, and only so
much energy to do it with.

If I don't post as much, you now know the reason why....I'm
completely overwhelmed and frustrated and confused and at the
end of my rope.

Larisa

Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
From: CNYstitcher <s...@therctqdirectory.com>
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 12:30:51 GMT
Subject: OT: musings of my mind

I have been having a hard week.  It started when I looked at the
calendar and saw that October was coming faster than I thought.

Do you realize that today, at 2:11pm, my darling girl will be 1
year old?  It doesn't seem like it is possible.  The doctor said
she would be behind most of her "peers" until she was about 5 years
old due to her bing slightly premature.  As of today, she is crawling
on all 4s (as opposed to doing a military low-crawl), she can pull
herself up to standing with just about anything, and she has decided
to try furniture surfing.  SHe isn't talking much, other than MaMa
(and it is hysterical when she gets upset -

MAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMAMA!!­).

so he is constantly tripping over his feet, or sometimes nothing
at all.  Every time he falls, rebekah stops what she is doing until
Thomas says that he is okay and gets back up, then she will smile at
him, say "AY!" and go back to playing.  If Rebekah is upset or tired,
Thomas is her savior, he can make her laugh and forget that she threw
her pacifier across the room <grin>.

What was life like this time last year?  Crazy, chaotic,
worrisome...who'd a thunk that things would be even more
topsyturvy?

But you know, things have also settled down.  Having a premature child
and a child with a disability have made me take a look at my life and
what is important to me.  I have become even more convicted that
staying
at home with my children was the best decision I could have made.  If I

was working outside the house, who would be the advocate for my
children?  Who would take them to all the doctors' appointments,

       THAT'S MunchHOWESEN by Proxy, dog lovers.

     THAT'S The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME <{): ~ ) >

         The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{): ~ ) >
mlbriggs - 18 Aug 2005 06:09 GMT
> Our cat Mr. Moonshine, is a 10 month old male. He is well behaved for the
> most part. He is an indoor cat with the exception that he is allowed to
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>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Suggestion:  use the spray bottle!
ThePuppyProphet@AniMail.Net - 18 Aug 2005 07:09 GMT
HOWEDY crystal h,

> Our cat Mr. Moonshine, is a 10 month old male.
> He is well behaved for the most part.

You mean he's DISTURBED, crystal h.

> He is an indoor cat

Good.

> with the exception that he is allowed to
> hang out on the patio supervised,

You can TRAIN him not to want to ESCAPE
when not supervised, if you KNOW HOWE.

> and is leash trained and goes for occasional walks.

PERFECT.

> Recently there has been a tiny cat about that same
> age that is wandering over and hangs out in front
> of the door and comes down into the patio in the back.

Kats are sociable critters despite what folks say abHOWET them.

> When Moonshine sees him he freaks out

He's SCARED.

> and starts screaming these blood curdling
> un-catlike meows and he hisses.

Right. THAT'S PREDICTABLE. You can CURE THAT
by PRAISING him when he gets SCARED <{); ~ ) >

> He has attacked me during these fits several times

S-HOWENDS like he's EITHER AFRAID of you or he's
having "displaced aggression", a PREDICTABLE NORMAL
NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE FEAR BEHAVIOR.

ANY behavior that's PREDICTABLE REPEATABLE or
CONSISTENT is EZ to EXXXTINGUISH or MODIFY to
YOUR PREFERENCE, if you KNOW HOWE <{): ~ ) >

> without even touching him,

Just HOWETA curiHOWESITY, HOWE far from you is
he when he FREAKS HOWET and ATTACKS YOU? CuriHOWES
AIN'T IT, that janet boss GOT THE SAME SAME SAME
SAME PROBLEM with her declawed kat, when she PUNISHES
HER DOGS, crystal h <{); ~ ) >

So, don't take it PERSONALLY, she's a PROFESSIONAL
animal trainer with many years EXXXPERIENCE. Her
kat's NEUROLOGIST has been treating IT with VALIUM
and other ANTI PSYCHOTIC meds, unsuccessfully.

PERHAPS THAT'S on accHOWENT of ANTI PSYCHOTIC
medication CAN'T WORK if the PSYCHOPATH is STILL
ABUSING the FEAR AGGRESSIVE critter...

> he will jump up and grab my leg and tear the crap out of it.

Yup. That's what kats do. janet's kat prefers to
attack her arms, IF The Amazing Puppy Wizard recalls
EXXXACTLY.

> Now he is paranoid and throws these fits regularly
> at night near the window or door even if the cat is
> not there because he thinks he is.

ANY behavior problem that's IGNORED or REPRESSED
will INTENSIFY or CHANGE to other, often worse,
seemingly non related TRAINsfer behaviors or
anXXXIHOWESNESS RELIEF MECHANISMS <{); ~ ) >

> He does this constantly and wakes us up every night.

RIGHT. It'll GET WORSE, to boot. He'll soon be
suffering from INFECTIONS, SELF MUTILATIONS and
HOWEsbreakin problems.

>  I tried closing the blinds

Barriers ONLY INTENSIFY the ANXXXIHOWESNESS FEAR behavior.

>  but he goes underneath them to look outside
>  so he can be paranoid.

He's COMFORTABLE being AFRAID, on accHOWENT of "The
devil we know..."

> I have tried everything I can think of,

INDEED?

> even tried letting him run after the cat

Hmmm. CuriHOWES that. HOWE COME would you
WANT him to ATTACK a innocent dumb critter?
You know, they got LAWS against THAT.

> so he can get over this fear.

What kinda LOGIC is THAT???

>  But 1) he won't run after him

Of curse not, he's AFRAID.

> and 2) the other cat runs away

Of curse, he AIN'T STUPID.

> before I can even let him go.

THAT could HURT BOTH INNOCENT DUMB CRITTERS.

>  Don't know what to do

Hey? Here's a IDEA! Have you ever tried
PRAISING HIM when he's AFRAID? THAT'LL
make him FEEL SAFE and S-HOWEND and will
EXXXTINGUISH HIS FEAR BEHAVIORS NEARLY
INSTANTLY if you KNOW HOWE.

>  and my leg is pretty tore up.

CuriHOWE THAT, AIN'T IT?

> On a second thought-

Oh? Was there a FIRST thought?

> Generally it seems that everyone on this
> board is against using the "spray bottle"

INDEED? CuriHOWES you MISSED all HOWER abuser's posts.

> and it seems to be understood that cats only claw
> on things because it is a natural thing so their
> nails can shed off (whatever you call it).

Technically it's called scratching.

> My cat claws the carpet when a door is shut in the house

Yeah. THAT'S called BARRIER FRUSTRATION SYNDROME, crystal h.

>  and he wants in the room.

UNLESS the door was OPEN then he'd BE WILLING to
STAY in that room, IF you KNOW HOWE to TRAIN him
to WANT TO DO ANY THING YOU ASK.

>  He gets super pissed off

INDEED?

> and claws the hell out of the carpet like he
> is trying to dig a hole underneath the door.

Oh? Perhaps THAT'S on accHOWENT of he's TRYING
to DIG A HOWEL UNDERNEATH THE DOOR.

SHAAAZZZAAAMMM???

>  To this I find using the "spray bottle"

You mean to SCARE and INTIMDIATE him someMOORE.

>  is the best humane way

Sez who? The ANIMAL ABUSERS you're askin for HEELP.

>  to keep him from destroying everything

You mean on accHOWENT of you don't know HOWE
to TRAIN him not to be ANXXXIHOWES

>  as I am against de-clawing.

That's kindly of you. janet knew surgically
mutilating her kat COULD make it FEAR AGGRESSIVE.

> But if the spray bottle is as abusive as listed
> on these boards,

MOST of your newfHOWEND pals are animal abusing
cowards who'll DO AND SAY ANY THING to DEFEND
their alleged RIGHT to HURT INTIMDIATE MUTILATE
BRIBE CRATE CHOKE SPRAY and MURDER innocent dumb
critters.

> what other options are there?

You'll have to FORGET EVERY THING you thought
you knew abHOWET behaviorISM and LEARN HOWE to
use EFFECTIVE NON PHYSICAL NON BRIBE NON INTIMIATON
SCIENTIFIC and PSYCHOLOGICAL behavior modification
TECHNIQUES <{); ~ ) >

> Any suggestions would be appreciated.

READ IT:

HOWEDY loubre,

loubre@statesman.com wrote:

> Hey guys... I've got a situation on my hands that
> may well cost me a roomate.

So you think you're gonna GET ADVICE from these
punk thug coward mental cases who punish and
intimidate their critters, loubre?

> About 6 weeks ago I moved into a house with a friend.
> I've 2 cats, she has one. Mine are Chiana and Dargo,
> hers is Snowball. Chiana is just over 2yrs old and
> Snowball is about 7yrs old.

It DON'T MATTER. A kat is a kat as a dog is a dog as
a birdie is a birdie as a child is a child as a SP-HOWES
is a SP-HOWES as a Roomate is a Roomate.

> The first three weeks the cats where in a get-to-know-ya stage,

You mean they fought.

>  lots of apprehension and sniffing but no violence.

Oh. O.K.

THEN they fought.

>  But lately the problem is Chiana has established herself
>  as queen of the house and doesn't mind physically enforcing
> that position.

Well, she LEARNED THAT behavior from someWON WHO TAUGHT
HER to FEAR FORCE and INTIMDIATE other defenseless / less
capable critters. IT'S ALL THE SAME SAME, people...

>  She's guarding most of the house and kitchen where the
> food is and will chase Snowball back into my roomates room.

CuriHOWES THAT, AIN'T IT???

>  He's afraid to try and pass her.

INDEED?

>  He's going periods without food and access to the pet door.

HE'S AFRAID. ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR. ALL FEAR IS
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING by TEACHERS and PARENTS.

>  His litter box is the great out doors and last night,
>  rather then try to deal with Chiana he opted to poop
>  in my roomates bath tub.

Well, that's what you'd EXXXPECT if he's AFRAID to go HOWET.

> Ummm.. my roomate is pissed.

NO PROBLEMO! You can CURE ALL THESE PROBLEMS NEARLY
INSTANTLY if you STUDY and FOLLOW PRECISELY the
INSTRUCTIONS in your own FREE COPY of The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
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the METHODS WORK for ALL SENTINENT CRITTERS. Just
EXXXTRAPOLATE on the METHODS to SUITE the individual
SPECIES of critter you're dealin with or ASK The
Amazing Puppy Wizard HOWE to do it if you lack the
creativity or EXXXPERTEASE to FIGGER IT HOWET.

>  Mostly at me because she doesn't believe I'm doing
> anything to 'discipline' my cat and stop her from
> being a bully.

AGGRESSION IS LEARNED sez the most recent research
at Harvard and UCLA <{); ~ ) >

WHO DO YOU SUPPOSE has been TEACHING your kat to be a BULLY?

> When I see Chiana making an aggressive move towards
> Snowball I intervene with a yell, or loud clap.

Oh? JUST LIKE HOWE THE KAT DOES TO THE OTHER KAT,
and CAUSES the FEAR FORCE and INTIMIDATION. Well
NHOWE we're MAKIN PROGRESS on YOUR KAT'S BULLYING
PROBLEMS, AIN'T WE, loubre <{); ~ ) >

> But obviously I won't be able to stop her every time.

INDEEDY! THAT'S JUST WON REASON AVERSION TRAINING
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY FAILS, amongst OTHER
REASONS, like IT TEACHES BULLYING and FEAR BEHAVIORS
aka PHOBIAS and OCD'S (Obsessive Compulsive Disorders).

>  I need advice as to how to go about getting Chiana
> to coexist with Snowball.

You'll have to SET THE EXXXAMPLE through DEMON-strated
SELF DISCIPLINE and APUPRIATE NON PHYSICAL NON FORCE
NON BRIBE NON INTIMIDATING SCIENTIFIC and PSYCHOLOGICAL
CONDITIONING TECHNIQUES AS TAUGHT in your own FREE COPY
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual.

> Any suggestions would be apreciated!

The Amazing Puppy Wizard SUGGESTS you IGNORE the
miserable lying kat abusing mental cases who taught
you to TEACH YOUR KAT FEAR FORCE and INTIMIDATION,
lubre... OtherWIZE, you'll be a CERTIFIED ANIMAL
ABUSER, JUST LIKE your newfHOWEND pals here abHOWETS.

LikeWIZE The Amazing Puppy Wizard SUGGESTS you use
a text to speech reader to STUDY the INFORMATION
YOU GOTTA LEARN to LIVE as a DECENT HUMAN BEING.

READ EVERY WORD and THEN go to The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.:

            ALL Temperament and Behavior Problems
                     And 90% Of DIS-EASE
                 Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
                       THAT'S GOOD!
                THAT MEANS We can CURE ALL
              Temperament And Behavior Problems
                     And 90% Of DIS-EASE
                      NEARLY INSTANTLY
        Simply By DOING EXXXACTLY, PRECISELY, OPPOSITE
                  Of HOWE We've Been TAUGHT
             By UNIVERSITY TRAINED Behaviorists

HOWEDY People!

ALL Temperament and Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition."  Ivan P. Pavlov

THAT'S GOOD!

"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).

A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."

"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVERY LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge,
demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon
that an expected reward not received is experienced
as a punishment and can produce extensive and
persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966)."

THAT MEANS we can CURE ALL Temperament And Behavior
Problems NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOING EXXXACTLY,
PRECISELY, OPPOSITE of HOWE we've been TAUGHT TO
MISHANDLE and ABUSE HOWER dogs by the UNIVERSITY
TRAINED behaviorists and PROFESSIONAL PET CARE
SPECIALISTS who MAKE THEIR LIVING off of PERPETUATING
their SHEER IDIOCY and IGNOING the works of Drs. Sam
Corson, Dra. Mary Cover Jones, Breland & Breland, and
other notable psychologists IGNORED and OVERLOOKED by
the ABUSERS who TEACH US to lock HOWER dogs in boxes,
bribe, choke, intimidate, and IGNORE HOWER dog's,
children's and SP-HOWESES cries of FEAR and NEED and
WITHHOLD attention, affection, so called "rewards"
and UNCONDITIONAL LOVE TRUST and RESPECT.

Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last
Student Demonstrated At UofOH Oxford, That Rehabilitation
Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management
Of Doggys.  <{) ; ~ ) >

WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO BLAME THE DOG OR ITS BREED:

                ALL Critters Only Respond In
              PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
                 INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
      To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
                  Which We Create For Them.

               You GET The Critter You TRAINED

                       A DOG Is A Dog;
                      As A KAT Is A KAT;
                    As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
                    As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
                  As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard has MUCH CASE HISTORY and PEER
REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC DATA to PROVE these "FAR FETCHED"
claims. HOWEver, for today's puporses, this will be all
that's necessary:

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study it well and do and follow ALL the
EXXXERCISES AS INSTRUCTED... it's a
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CONSISTENT NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS for all
handlers and all dogs in all fields or
utilities and behaviors all over the Whole
Wild World <{) ; ~ )  >

                ALL Critters Only Respond In
              PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
                 INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
      To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
                  Which We Create For Them.

               You GET The Critter You TRAINED

                       A DOG Is A Dog;
                      As A KAT Is A KAT;
                    As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
                    As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
                  As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

            In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
                      FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
                      SAME SAME SAME SAME,
           For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

         Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
              We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
                 And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

        ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

          Jer 21 And unto this people thou shalt say,
          Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I set before
          you The Way Of Life, And The Way Of Death.

          2Ki 19:6 And Isaiah said unto them, Thus
          shall ye say to your master, Thus saith
          the LORD, Be not afraid of the words which
          thou hast heard, with which the servants of
          the king of Assyria have blasphemed me.

                 The Puppy Prophet <{); ~ ) >

Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:41:01 -0500
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."
<drv...@mindspring.com>
Subject: "time-out"

Dan, my own firm hatred of punishment has
recently been intensified by meeting The
Puppy Wizard, Jerry Howe, whose work with
dogs is marvelous.

There is a literature on harms caused by time
out, and perhaps you'd like to look at
http://www.dogydoright.com
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.

"As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care."

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice

Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.

I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.

I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:

whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.

The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).

You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.

As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine

> So why is that a problem?

"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
were moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and
learning immediately deteriorated."

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."
<drv...@mindspring.com>

To: <pdd-aspy...@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:31 AM
Subject: How does diagnosis shape treatment?

How does diagnosis shape treatment?

Nearly every week I have a visit from Jerry Howe, who
publicizes himself as The Puppy Wizard. Jerry is a
master at behavioral modification of dogs.

His fundamental bedrock is the work Pavlov's last student,
the late Sam Corson, Ph.D., did at the U of Ohio (at Oxford,O).

Sam always pointed out if the dog stopped working for
you in the lab, Pavlov and he always took the dog away
from the lab, and put him in a loving home and gave him
TLC for a couple of months, and then started, very carefully,
over again.

Jerry believes that reward and constraint focused training
is immoral. I've watched him in one short session calm
impossible dogs, just about to be murdered (oops "put to
sleep") because of their "incorrigibly" violent behavior.

Sam was one of the first people to apply amphetamine to
hyperactivity (he searched the Middle West for hyperactive
dogs); but he never lost sight of the fundamental reality that
a dog is not a human, but does respond, doggily, to dog love.

You might be surprised to go to B. F. Skinner's "Cumulative
Record" and read the essay by Breland and Breland, "The
Misbehavior of Organisms".

Animals cannot be successfully trained unless the trainer
attends to the evolutionary history, the individual's
developmental history, and the environmental niche of
the animal being trained.

Yep, right there in Skinner's last and summary book.
Even with behavior mod, you must know the animal.

<snip>

       Dogs or little boys, you have to know the individual
       history, and the nature of he disorder.

       Dr. Von

       PS if you are interested in dogs, then take
       a look at Jerry's work.

         Dr. George VonHilsheimer writes in

         "Is there a SCIENCE of BEHAVIOR?":

"Valette 1966 is a complete trivialization of
scientific findings. It overstates the case for
reinforcement theory. No careful researcher
would contend that operant techniques CAN ANY
THING MORE than modify SHORT TERM BEHAVIOR in
a highly controlled and limited environment
with a large number of skillful experimenters.

Certainly the most elaborate studies have shown
that the withdrawal or temprary inefficiency of
the reward system is immediately followed by
CESSATION of the programmed behavior.

In fortunate contrast to this depressing paper
is the research reported by Whelan (1966) who
makes the simple but profHOWEND caveat that
"It is only through CORRECT, EFFICIENT APPLICATION
(of operant principles) that children's behavor can
be changed to the extent that they can subsequently
contribute to the REAL WORLD in which they live." "

  "The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
                   Never Change,
   Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Could Not Obtain
     Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
           For All Handler's And All Dogs,
           ALL OVER THE WHOLE WILD WORLD,
                NEARLY INSTANTLY,
  As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's
   FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
            The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ )  >

Dr. Von continues:

"Whelan illustrates the simple nature or the
learning process by referring to Ferster's
engaging study of two three year old
chimpanzees taught mathematics through
simple procedures. Whelan carries this
EVIDENCE a step futher by pointing HOWET
it's applicability to disturbed children."

      You Get The Critter You Trained

              A Dog Is A Dog
            As A Kat Is A Kat
          As A Birdie Is A Birdie
           As A Child Is A Child
        As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

       ALL Critters Only Respond In
  PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE
              REFLEXIVE Ways
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
         Which We Create For Them.

        Damn The Descartean War of
          "Nature Vs Nurture."
    We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
       And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

  In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
          FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
              SAME SAME,
 For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

Dr. Von continues:

"If chimpanzees CAN LEARN mathematics through step
by step learning AT THEIR OWN PACE, reinforced
primarily by CORRECT ANSWERS rather than with
"fruit loops and rasins", we can assume that even
developmentally RETARDED or CONfHOWENDED children
CAN LEARN as well.

Moreover, Whelan makes the EXXXTREMELY important
point that while most teachers assume that learning
takes place verbally, primarily it is a non verbal
process..

Unfortunately Whelan limits himself to the problem
that "teachers must not only modify or remove specific
deviant behaviors, but must also develop socially
acceptable behavior patterns in the classroom and
classroom conditioned goals, NOT LEARNING.

Other researchers have emphasized the importance
of adult behaviors in conditioning classroom behavior.
An EXXXCELLENT review of this research showd that
tantrum behavior, excessive crawling and dependency,
isolated play, passivity, spelling failure, and other
problem behaviors can be managed by altering habitual
adult responses to children (Harris, Wolf and Baer, 1964) .

Such RESEARCH holds GREATER PROMISE in that alteration
of the conditioning social environment seems to provide
more STABLE and LASTING CHANGES than "M and M's". Moreover,
a great deal of work has been done developing EFFECTIVE
techniques of behavior modificaton through the conditioning
social environment of peers (Hartup, 1964). These directions
would seem more PRODUCTIVE than a simple minded trainslation
of the Skinner cage to the classroom.

Skinner (1963) pointed HOWET that operant techniques
can "be utilized fully ONLY IF we REDEFINE the GOALS
of education and the CONDITIONS in the educational
environment under which those goals may be reached...
(through) a DIFFERENT KIND of educational research
which is much more closely concerned with the immediate
dimensions of the student's behavior than with gross
changes such as IMPROVED PERFORMANCES."

UNFORTUNATELY, neither Skinner nor ANY OTHER
learning theorist has provided us with a working
model of a school or research enterprise based
on systemic and thorough-going APPLICATION of
LEARNING PRINCIPLES.

Skinner (1948, 1953) approaches a definition of the
philosophical issues involved, and provides an utopian
model of a school, but generally psychologists seem
STUCK at a level of MANAGEMENT of an aggressively
disturbing child in the classroom, through peer approval,
or the aplication of accelerating CONsequences in the
classroom, or scientifically S-HOWENDING tactics like
"TIME HOWET" (which we used to know more simply
as "sendin the kid to the cloakroom").

Hobbs (op. cit.) claims that the classroom is a
natural environement for the child. Thelen (1965)
contends that "classroom practices are UNnatural,
UNreasonable, and 'against NATURE.' "This would
seem the central issue for the philosophy of education.
Mere trivial application of research findings to an
institution essentially unchanged from Sumerian academies
(Kramer, 1962) will NOT create useful teaching for
human beings.

It seems relevant to ask EXXXACTLY WHAT do we
know abHOWT the learning situation in which HOWER
children find themselves, and why, in the light of HOWER
knowledge, do we do any of the things that schools do?"

We know that there is little agreement among adults
as to what it is they are SUPPOSED to be DOING,
what something to do could be that MIGHT be
EFFECTVE, and what it IS that other people who
have authority over children ought to be doing (Mc-
Eachern and Taylor, 1967). Wherefor the child's
CONfusiHOWEN?

It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).

A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966).

Probably the most absurd figure in Amaerican mass
media is the TEACHER (Gerbner, 1966). HOWE can
we EXXXPECT children to LEARN responsible P-HOWER
from models of IMPOTENCE? We KNOW that LEARNING
a complex ritualized social role, is facilitated
by observation of an INTELLIGIBLE MODEL much more
effectively than by trial and error with REINFORCEMENT.

Roles which are relatively arbitrary and senseless are
the most difficult to learn (Luchins, 1966). Do we make
ANY EFFORT as teachers to CORRECT the massive impact of
media?

HOWE can the ARBITRARINESS and SENSELESSNESS
of IMPOTENT ADULT MODELS be redeemed by anything
short of RELEVANCE and COMMITMENT?

As an engaging final comment on the PROFESSION
let me mention the little study by Dittman et al (1965)
tha when 15 psychotherapists and 9 professional dancers
evaluated facial and bodily expressons for effect the
dancers were much MOORE accurate. Need we say MOORE
abHOWET the training of therapists?

THE OPERANT FALLACY

Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement
model" proposed by Skinner (1963) ar no more well
established in research than the various dynamic
therapists. Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation
of programmed systems for elarning; 2) reinforcement;
3) cognitive dissonance; and 4) motivation, MOST SURELY
DEMOLISH the claims of operant programers.

The 190 studies annotated by Schramm (1964) when
inspected display NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES
in SUCCESS among approaches and modifications.
Programmed instruction is no worse than conventional
instruction, and takes less time, but time reductions in
conventional instruction has frequently been shown
possible without detrimental effects. If you draw your
controls cagily you can always show the superiority of
your PET technique.

Moore and Smit (1964) compared variations on
programmed materials, machines, texts, written
responses, merely reading, free response, multiple
choice, and iving or not giving the students results.
There were NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES despite
Skinner's insistence on the importance of the
CONTINGENCY of REINFORCEMENT. Carpenter
and Greenhill (1963) could find NO DIFFERENCE
in RESULTS even after eliminating the self-pacing
feature by presenting the materials by TV or Video.

Krumboltz and Kiesler (1965) reported that a two month
follow up test showed NO DIFFERENCE between students
given a variety of reinforcement schedules. Mayo and
Longo (1966) report that naval and marine trainees
saved 30% of time in learning electronics fundamentals
through a programed course witrh superior scores on one
measure but not on another, and with no follow-up reported.

The same authors reported a reductionj from 26 HOWERS
to 19 HOWERS in instruction time through the use of
program with NO DIFFERENCE in test scores, except
that as longer blocks of materiallearned through
programmed means were tesed the scores DECREASED.

When the control instruction is manipulated an entirely
DIFFERENT picture emerges Jacobs and Kulkarni (1966)
assignedstudents in three different schools to classes
with standard programmed material giving immediate
knowledge of results to classes without results and to
classes with the order of sections of the program inverted.

In two schools the groups without knowledge of results
and the groups with inverted material SCORED HIGHER.
In one school there was NO DIFFERENCE. So much for
THEORY. Reid and Taylor (1965) presented a linear
program on paper-making to 60 paid undergrads with
a 12 week follow up test. The group which merely
read learned the same material in 154 minutes to
243 minutes for the group given responses- a
REVERSAL of the usual BIASED RESULTS based
on POOR CON-TROLLS. There were no differences
on post tests.

Spagnoli (1965) reports on a study exposing the control
and programed group to the same material in a concentrated
effort over a limited period of time. There were NO
SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES.

Sassenrath and Garverick (1965) gave 4 matched
groups of 120 students four procedures: 1) looking
up the wrong answers, 2) having questions discussed
by the instructors, 3) checking answers from correct
ones on the board, and 4) no feedback. The discussion
method proved best.

Finally, in studying means of training men to perform
a 72 action prcedure on Nike-Hercules equipment,
Cox and Boren (1965) demonstrated that the time
required to learn the procedure to critterion was NO
DIFFERENT when the actions were organized into
seven operant spans and taught in reverse order, in
natural order, or without grouping into operant spans
at all.

IT IS CLEAR that as comparisons became more
sophisticated programed instruction and other
operant teaching techniquesreveal tehemselves
as simply another prestigiHOWES FAD--somewhat
better than conventional instruction in saving time,
but certainly not providing a better or better organized
or more independently useful GRASP of KNOWLEDGE.

The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were
moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and learning
immediately deteriorated.

Despite this, and despite the fact that there was no
evidence of cognitive association with the words, the
authors leap to the conclusion that the fact that the
boys improved in the acquisition of Norwegian words
WITHOUT REWARDS while still being given English
words WITH REWARDS suggest hat the children may
be able to acquire new behaviors on their own.

The need for this study escapes one, particularly in
view of the very well established fact that schizophrenics
condition quite readily (Mednick, 1958)

One can see the "SCIENTIFIC" PRECISION by which the
authors drop contingent reinforcements thus PROVING
that the parrot behavior was indeed caused by the
schedule and NOT by some other mystical force.

The use of Norwegian to demonstrate learning that
could not even remotely be related to previous history
is a grotesquery too bizarre to be credited. Who could
possibly doubt that this useless and probably damaging
trained seal routine depended on the psychologist's antics?

What on earth led them to believe that a schizophrenic
needs even more other-focused responsiveness?

Lovaas et al (1965) reported three programs carried
out on five year old autistic twins conditioining them
to "social behavior" and to eliminate pathologial
behaviors such as self-stimulation and tantrums.

Affectionate and other social behaviors toward
adults increaseed after adults had been associated
with shock reduction. The routine for this treatment
brings immediate relief to mind Sawrey and Wesz
(1956) routine for producing ulcers in monkeys.

I suppose it is USELESS to speculate on the source
of SO CALLED THERAPISTS willingness to experiment
on human beings with procedures for which there is
sound experimentally established WARNINGS. If the
"double blind" theory of the origin of schizophrenia
(Bateson, 1956) is at all valid, HOWE DEVASTATING
the experience must ULTIMATELY BE.

Do Lovaas et al REALLY BELIEVE the schizophrenic
has no cognitive processes and DOES NOT KNOW
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SHOCK? Greger
(1965) criticized this study on the basis that
trainsfer CANNOT be generalized.

That issue can be answered by experience, and,
of curse, the "social" behavior of these children
deteriorates as soon as the psychologists LOOSE INTEREST.

The IMPORTANT ISSUE for a SCIENCE OF BEHAVIOR
is why not attempt those things which are KNOWN to
WORK at least in some cases if only for control puporses.

Kanner (1954) reports that 13 classically autistic
children improved enough to go to school without
"anything that is regarded as good psychotherapy or
as psychotherapy at all..."

Autistic children have been known to become
permenantely social by deinstitutionalization,
BY REMOVAL from the parents, BY RADICAL CHANGES
in other environments, and by MASSIVE DOSAGE of
TOUCHING, HOLDING, FONDLING LOVE DESPITE THE
REJECTION OF THE CHILD.

My case, Larry, (vonHilsheimer, 1965b), demonstrates
a recovery by using the mother as an autistic boy's
teacher in an open millieu. It is curiHOWES that the
operant technicians provide as few, and as UNIMAGINITAVE
controls for thier "research" as the Freudians.

REWARD / PUNISHMENT

Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVERY LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge,
demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon
that an expected reward not received is experienced
as a punishment and can produce extensive and
persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966).

MIMICRY, PLAY, EXPLORATION AND
THE NEED FOR DATA

Complex activities are LEARNED MORE QUICKLY
through OBSERVATION (copying, if you will) than
by trial and error with reinforcemet (Luchins,).
Observers of subjects making a first trial of a multiple
choice bolt head maze made fewer errors than the
practiced subjects in the second run, while subjects
who have been shocked for error on a first trial made
more errors than either (Rosenbaum & Hewitt, 1966).
Students will modify their beliefs more when rewarded
for the way in which they carried out arguing for a
disagreeable position (role reward), than when rewarded
for the content of the argument (Wallace, 1966).

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           INTRO TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING MANUAL
           George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D. F.R.S.H.

Several years ago one of my old students telephoned
to me and asked me what I knew about Doggie Do
Right, a device to cause your neighbor's dog to stop
barking.

I had not heard of the device, nor its inventor, Jerry
Howe, but I telephoned, read his website, and told
my graduate that I thought the device was worth a
trial - indeed I shut up the dogs in my neighborhood
by turning on Jerry's supersonic device.

After all we all know that dogs respond to whistles
humans cannot hear, so why not respond to "attaboy"
sounds which humans cannot hear.

My student lived far from my Florida homestead, so
he tried it on the three incredibly savage, hyperactive
and noisy dogs who lived behind a tall fence just 3 feet
back of his bedroom.

Hot rats! The device worked,

Andy got his sleep and I didn't think much of the
matter again.

A few months ago I had new neighbors on each
side of my house, four of them, all with noisy
unshuttupable dogs. Argh!

So I foned Andrew in Virgina, received the intelligence
that his neighbors dogs were still quiet, and then I foned
Jerry Howe, the inventor of Doggie Do Right, who came
to visit me.

Merlin walked into my office.

Jerry is a slender fellow with a belly button lenghth grey
beard tapering down his chest. I liked him immediately,
and I applied his instrument to the neighborhood again
which again became silent.

It occured to me that if this ultrasonic field worked with
dogs that we ought at least to ask the question, what
happens to humans in range of the device???

I asked Jerry to give me a list of customers and began
inquiring among them. One thing became immediately
evident. The Doggie Do Right not only shuts up your
neighbors' dogs, it calms and modifies your husband's behavior.

Holey Moley, Captain Marvel, this device has major potential.

In the meantime Jerry gave me a copy of his Wits End
Dog Training Manual. I was delighted. He also introduced
me to the world of professional dog trainers some of whom
even have Ph.D.s in psychology.

This was not such a delight as it appeared that none
of these luminaries had actually read Skinner, Lazarus
or other fountains of wisdom in psychology. Indeed, it
seemed as though they knew very little about the laws
of behavior at all!

Punishment and confrontation seemed to be their
major stock in trade.

Well, if you go to my website, www.drbiofeedback.com
you can read of the career of Sam Corson, I.P. Pavlov's
last student.

Sam demonstrated that rehabilitation of hyperactive
dogs can easily and readily be done using TLC, tender
loving care is at the root of the scientific management
of doggies.

Pavlov told us so 100 years ago.

So what are these degreed morons doing punishing
dogs, and shouting "NO" into their doggie faces? If
you pick up B.F.Skinner's last book, CUMULATIVE
RECORD, included in it is an essay by Keller Breland
and Maryann Breland entitled THE MISBEHAVIOR OF ORGANISMS.

Skinner deliberately included his students' chapter
to emphasize that you cannot manage the behavior
of animals unless you take into consideration 1. the
animal's evolutionary niche (who is the animal?);
2. the animal's personal history (who is the animal?)
and 3, the instinctive repetoire of the animal (who is
the animal?) and 4. the personality of the animal (who
is the animal?).

The Brelands moved far from the white rat. "Thirty-eight
species, totaling over 6,000 individual animals, have been
conditioned, and we have dared to tackle such unlikely
subjects as reindeer, cockatoos, raccoons, porpoises,
and whales."

Jerry Howe spends most of his times with dogs, but
he has learned Pavlov's lesson well. Dogs are individuals,
they are individual DOGS, and they respond most directly
and immediately to love and tender loving care.

Read with pleasure, and then go love your dog.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
Who's Who Honoree since 1983

            From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)

        The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

      I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
      years. I have a huge library that covers every system
      of training.

      The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
      Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
      the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
      method yet discovered.

      It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
      a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
      and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
      consistent manner.

      Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
      understand the basis of his system and please follow
      his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
      It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
      descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
      how their solution should be approached.

      One should not pick and choose from among his methods
      based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
      not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
      for not only training a dog but for raising a loving
      companion.

      When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
      you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
      produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.

      You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
    &