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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / October 2003Long-time chronic diarrhea problem...
Been really struggling with this one. I know this is a long post, but I thought it would be good to be thorough and provide all the details. It started over 4 months ago when my 3 year old male (nuetered) had a urinary problem, and a prescription diet (Science Diet WD) was started to treat it. I introduced the diet gradually over about a week, but he got diarrhea from the new food. I let him go on this diet (probably for too long), maybe 3 weeks or so (he was using the crawl space under house instead of his box so I didn't monitor him). I then gradually switched him back to his regular food which had previously never gave him the runs. This did nothing to help (I had him on the regular food about 3 weeks). So I took him to the vet: Vet visit 1 ========= fecal worm check (negative) fecal cytology (negative) fecal direct-protozoa exam (negative) and put on Metronidazole No improvement in condition Vet phone consultation ================ Put him on Science Diet ID to help with diarrhea problem and to continue to address urinary problem. Another round of Metronidazole Sulfasalazine pills were now introduced No improvement in condition Vet visit 2 ======== fecal direct-protozoa exam (negative) fecal cytology (negative) Yet nother round of Metronidazole and another round of Sulfasalazine Switched to special diet IVD duck and green peas (yes, duck and peas predominantly. The thought is to put him on a very different diet, assuming the problem is a food alergy). No gradual introduction here because he has diarrhea anyway. No improvement in condition Vet phone consultation ================ Cat hated the duck so switched him to IVD rabbit and peas and he eats this. After a few weeks on rabbit and peas dry food, there was a period of a week or 2 where there was some occasional signs of hardening of feces. This period of improvement proved temporary. Now it's back to pretty much cow pie or slightly thicker (nothing well formed). I also tried giving him some yoghurt, but I have to give him a very small quantity (like 1/2 teaspoon or less) or he'll puke (he's very sensitive to most anything other than his regular diet). Yoghurt didn't seem to help, but I only did this for about a week and a half. I never feed him treats or anything other than his regular food. I was starting to get encouraged when he was showing signs of improvement, but the improvement kind of stopped. I hate giving him all those pills (he's been off them for a good while now), they did nothing, and now the vet wants to explore more serious things like a disease of the intestines, or cancer, but I really doubt these things as his attitude is normal (plays, is happy, and has normal energy, drinks plenty of watr, though he's not happy about his sore butt from the diarrhea). These tests the vet wants to do are also very expensive and surgery is necessary for one of them (big bucks there). This whole thing started with the diet change. Diarrhea was never a problem before the diet change. Maybe it's a food alergy, I don't know. In other threads, someone had mentioned a cooked rice diet, another mentioned acidophilus in powder form. I really need to do something, and I'd like to try something before going back to the vet. My gut feeling is that there is nothing seriously wrong like a disease or cancer. Anyone have any ideas? (if you read this whole thing, thank you very much!) -- Hank >snip< > It started over 4 months ago when my 3 year old male (nuetered) [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > (if you read this whole thing, thank you very much!) > -- Hank GET A NEW VETERINARIAN! In the meantime, did anyone try dry food? What about fur ball accumulations in intestines? How about tap water with too much chlorine in it? -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" >> (if you read this whole thing, thank you very much!) >> -- Hank > > GET A NEW VETERINARIAN! In the meantime, did anyone try dry food? > What about fur ball accumulations in intestines? How about tap water > with too much chlorine in it? Philip, I'm afraid another vet isn't always the answer. In cases of tough diarrhea problems (and I speak from experience) the only way to rule out or diagnose properly is with the costly tests and biopsies. I do agree food is an issue but dry food definitely isn't the solution. I think back to my cats problems and wonder now if the addition of fiber was the primary cause? My RB cat Marley had megacolon and he was switched to a high fiber diet and I added canned pumpkin to regular canned food when he wouldn't eat the WD. Shadow also ate these foods because other than separating them, it is impossible to keep one out of the others food and at the time it seemed harmless to let Shadow eat all that fiber, too. Looking back I wouldn't be surprised if that was the start of his IBD. Good thought about the water. > > > (if you read this whole thing, thank you very much!) > > > -- Hank [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Philip, I'm afraid another vet isn't always the answer. I see you're looking for a "perfect" answer. There ain't one. Please be more careful about using the word "always." > In cases > of tough diarrhea problems (and I speak from experience) the only [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Good thought about the water. It's been years since I had a feline with persistent diarrhea. I delt with the issue with both Siamese. The solution turned out to be too much canned, fatty, slimy, rich food. In both cases, after a month of pressurized Hershey squirts that often jetted over the edge of the litter box, I stopped feeding both cats entirely until their bowels calmed down. (the incidences were about 3 yrs apart with both Siamese). About the 5th-6th day living on water only, I introduced Purina cat chow. Guess what? No more squirts. Those Siamese could eat very little real food without bringing on a case of the power squirts. Making an estimate, I'd say their diets became about 90% dry chow. Both cats lived healthily to a ripe old age of 19. -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" I give him filtered water using a high quality system that filters out 99% of chlorine. I've been giving him this since before his diarrhea. Also, he has been on dry food the whole time. Hank > >snip< > > It started over 4 months ago when my 3 year old male (nuetered) [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > "Never let school interfere > with your education - Mark Twain" > I give him filtered water using a high quality system that filters out 99% > of chlorine. I've been giving him this since before his diarrhea. Also, he > has been on dry food the whole time. > Hank Maybe he needs to be on wet food. Will he eat chicken? Maybe a bland diet of boiled pureed chicken and rice will help clear it up, then you can find a good canned catfood. Ground up chicken and rice is often advised for a few days to help clear up diarrhea. Karen >> I give him filtered water using a high quality system that filters >> out 99% of chlorine. I've been giving him this since before his [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Karen Also, if it's a new thing, fasting for 24 hours is often recommended to clear the system of anything it can't handle before going to a bland diet short term. > > > I give him filtered water using a high quality system that > > > filters out 99% of chlorine. I've been giving him this since [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > recommended to clear the system of anything it can't handle before > going to a bland diet short term. I agree. I've used short term fasting to let their irritated little bowels settle down. The great thing about run of the mill mut cats is they have a lot less of these intestinal tantrums. LOL -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" Might the dry food you purchase be close to it's expiration date, often? Also, once you cut open the bag, the contents will start to spoil by the time you get to the bottom of the bag say .... 10 days later. -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" >In news:AN-dne9S8dERiuqiRVn-sg@speakeasy.net, >Hank <sorry@nogood.com> being of bellicose mind posted: [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > "Never let school interfere > > with your education - Mark Twain" On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 04:42:54 GMT, "Philip ®" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net.invalid> wrote: >Might the dry food you purchase be close to it's expiration date, >often? Also, once you cut open the bag, the contents will start to >spoil by the time you get to the bottom of the bag say .... 10 days >later. I always keep my dry kibble (Iams) on the bottom shelf of the refrigerator. People seem surprised at this. I think it helps preserve it. Even my Vet said she would never have thought of it, but then said "why not? it's food". MLB > I give him filtered water using a high quality system that filters out 99% > of chlorine. I've been giving him this since before his diarrhea. Also, he > has been on dry food the whole time. > Hank WD is weight diet for overweight cats - not for urinary tract problems. Science Diet foods are crap - get your cat to a different vet and change to a normal food - one that won't exascerbate his urinary tract or intestines/colon. If the vets push Science Diet just tell them you won't feed it. Vets push it because they get huge bennies from Hill's. I would start off with a bland canned food that is easy on the digestive tract - the one my feline specialist recommended was Purina diabetic diet - it is high in protein and easy to digest. Alternatively, you can feed him cooked chicken or turkey with rice. If his intestines are irritated, a wet food is easier on him. best of luck, -L. >From: k3_e81@yahoo.com (-L.) >> I give him filtered water using a high quality system that filters out 99% >> of chlorine. I've been giving him this since before his diarrhea. Also, he [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >tell them you won't feed it. Vets push it because they get huge >bennies from Hill's. It seems to me, from reading posts the past couple of years, that cats that are given Science Diet/Hill's prescription foods for one problem often develop anorther problem. Also, what happens when the vet misdiagnoses a condition and recommends one of these "prescription" foods. What does it in turn do to the cat's health? Nothing good, I'm sure. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >It seems to me, from reading posts the past couple of years, that cats that >are [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Lauren Lauren, a friend of mine is a vet and he has tremendous success w/ the Hill's diets. I know you like to bash Hill's whenever the opportunity presents itself, so I just thought I would counteract you here. Also, what happens if a metorite hits the earth? Nothing good, I'm sure. > >It seems to me, from reading posts the past couple of years, that cats that > >are [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Lauren, a friend of mine is a vet and he has tremendous success w/ the Hill's > diets. Yeah, and if he's like the vets I worked for, he receives gas grills, leather jackets, and a myriad of other "stuff" commensurate with the amount of Hill's food he pushes. It's a scam, pure and simple. -L. _L. wrote: >Yeah, and if he's like the vets I worked for, he >receives gas grills, leather jackets, and a >myriad of other "stuff" commensurate with the >amount of Hill's food he pushes. It's a scam, >pure and simple. Well I guess I'm going to have to talk to my Hills sales rep. about this!! Somehow we must have slipped though the cracks because we get none of the above from Hills or anything else for that matter. But we have gotten all of the above plus lots of other goodies from Bayer for our Advantage purchases. Nadine >From: k3_e81@yahoo.com (-L.) >> >It seems to me, from reading posts the past couple of years, that cats >that [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >-L. I'm not surprised, L. It's too bad that people's pets have to pay the consequences with their health :( Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >>Yeah, and if he's like the vets I worked for, he receives gas grills, >>leather jackets, and a myriad of other "stuff" commensurate with the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I'm not surprised, L. It's too bad that people's pets have to pay the >consequences with their health :( Lauren, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, but once again, you don't pass up an opportunity to bash Hill's--whether it's true or not! Hill's has helped more pets than any other company out there, yet you resist that idea? Why? >> Lauren, a friend of mine is a vet and he has tremendous success w/ the >Hill's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >leather jackets, and a myriad of other "stuff" commensurate with the >amount of Hill's food he pushes. It's a scam, pure and simple. "L" Hill's doesn't do those sorts of things--at least that I've ever heard of. Are you sure you're not confusing them w/ some drug companies that do those sorts of things?? you sound awfully bitter. Why? > It seems to me, from reading posts the past couple of years, that cats that are > given Science Diet/Hill's prescription foods for one problem often develop > anorther problem. Oh what utter nonsense. Also, what happens when the vet misdiagnoses a condition and > recommends one of these "prescription" foods. What does it in turn do to the > cat's health? Nothing good, I'm sure. And that would be the fault of the food manufacturer? I suppoe the manufacturer of the antibiotics is also at fault when those are prescribed improperly too? Give me a break. Certainly that wouldn't be nearly as disastrous as your suggestions to feed cats in renal failure some mega phosphorus canned food would it? >From: rosebrook@sbcglobal.net (Steve Crane) >> It seems to me, from reading posts the past couple of years, that cats that >are [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >nearly as disastrous as your suggestions to feed cats in renal failure >some mega phosphorus canned food would it? What the hell are you talking about? I never recommended a mega phosphorous canned food for cats in renal failure. I think you're out of your mind. Geesh, you Hill's reps are so defensive that you make things up! ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >>And that would be the fault of the food manufacturer? I suppoe the >>manufacturer of the antibiotics is also at fault when those are [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >canned food for cats in renal failure. I think you're out of your mind. >Geesh, you Hill's reps are so defensive that you make things up! The foods you recommend and feed are very high in phosphorus, Lauren. >From: gaubster2@aol.com (GAUBSTER2) >>What the hell are you talking about? I never recommended a mega phosphorous >>canned food for cats in renal failure. I think you're out of your mind. >>Geesh, you Hill's reps are so defensive that you make things up! > >The foods you recommend and feed are very high in phosphorus, Lauren. Well, I feed a properly balanced raw diet so I think you don't know what the hell you're talking about, as usual. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm Lauren, why don't you save him some time and trouble and just answer your own question yourself? You knoooowwww what he's going to say. Give the guy a break, huh?? >>From: gaubster2@aol.com (GAUBSTER2) > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html > Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >From: "Karen M." mskitty@easystreetNOSPAM.com >Lauren, why don't you save him some time and trouble and just answer >your own question yourself? You knoooowwww what he's going to say. Give >the guy a break, huh?? ROFL! You're right, Karen :) Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > > I give him filtered water using a high quality system that > > filters out 99% of chlorine. I've been giving him this since [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > best of luck, > -L. Lydia, I agree with your regarding Science Diet. All but one of their dry food products is typically waxy, greasy, and oily resulting in elimination problems or in outright rejection by the cat. Purina products do the job and cost less. -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" "Philip ®" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net.invalid> wrote in message news:<VEYdb.7812$RW4.3442@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>... > > > I give him filtered water using a high quality system that > > > filters out 99% of chlorine. I've been giving him this since [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Lydia, I'm not Lydia, but that's ok. ;) >I agree with your regarding Science Diet. All but one of > their dry food products is typically waxy, greasy, and oily resulting > in elimination problems or in outright rejection by the cat. I have seen many a cat say "ick!" to Hill's maintenence diet. Personally, I think all their food is crap. > Purina > products do the job and cost less. Normally, I don't think Purina is that great of a food, but their DM is a good product. -L. > I would start off with a bland canned food that is easy on the > digestive tract - the one my feline specialist recommended was > Purina > diabetic diet - it is high in protein and easy to digest. Is that DM? Prescription, correct? I may have to ask about that one. Of course finiky Shadow probably wouldn't eat it. > > I would start off with a bland canned food that is easy on the > > digestive tract - the one my feline specialist recommended was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Is that DM? Prescription, correct? I may have to ask about that one. > Of course finiky Shadow probably wouldn't eat it. Yes, DM - available only through vets, but if you tell them that someone recommended it for poor eaters/intestinal problems, they will likely sell it to you. My cats are finicky too, but both gobble it up. Just get a can and try it - it's like $0.80 and worth it, if he will eat it. I have found that it is more dense than regular cat food, so a can lasts twice as long as a regular can - and my cats will even eat it if it has been refirdgerated and heated up. It's the first good they would accept reheated. -L. > Yes, DM - available only through vets, but if you tell them that > someone recommended it for poor eaters/intestinal problems, they [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > -L. I will Lyn, thanks! Worth a shot. His vet will give me any food I ask for if it is within reason and won't kill him. I think she knows how much I read. lol >WD is weight diet for overweight cats - not for urinary tract >problems. w/d has the same urinary output as c/d-s. >Science Diet foods are crap - get your cat to a different >vet and change to a normal food - one that won't exascerbate his >urinary tract or intestines/colon. Another Hill's basher. Too bad millions of pets have gotten better or had their lives saved on Hill's diets. >If the vets push Science Diet just >tell them you won't feed it. Vets push it because they get huge >bennies from Hill's. ...and what would those be?? >I would start off with a bland canned food that is easy on the >digestive tract - the one my feline specialist recommended was Purina >diabetic diet - it is high in protein and easy to digest. You like Purina?? LOL! The same company that makes Mainstay and Dog Chow? The same company that is notorious for putting out high sugar diets?? It's interesting that you mention the diabetic diet...Hill's has a better one that is lower in sodium and phosphorus. But that won't matter to you since you hate Hill's. Why do you hate Hill's? > Another Hill's basher. Too bad millions of pets have gotten better > or had their lives saved on Hill's diets. Hello Gaubster. What the hell do you do, search google groups for the word "Hills" everyday? Another thread with Hills in it and here you are. lol >From: "Cheryl" jlh@NOSPAMpetitmorte.net >Date: 9/29/03 6:10 PM Eastern >GAUBSTER2 <gaubster2@aol.com> composed with style: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >word "Hills" everyday? Another thread with Hills in it and here you >are. lol LOL, it is pretty strange, isn't it? Makes one wonder if we have another Hill's rep here. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >LOL, it is pretty strange, isn't it? Makes one wonder if we have another >Hill's rep here. Lauren, you keep making that allegation and you continue to be wrong. Why are you posting on this topic and bashing Hill's? > >From: "Cheryl" jlh@NOSPAMpetitmorte.net > >Date: 9/29/03 6:10 PM Eastern [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > LOL, it is pretty strange, isn't it? Makes one wonder if we have another > Hill's rep here. No, he's just married to one. -L. >From: k3_e81@yahoo.com (-L.) >> >From: "Cheryl" jlh@NOSPAMpetitmorte.net >> >Date: 9/29/03 6:10 PM Eastern [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >-L. Really? Well, now it makes perfect sense his dog-with-a-bone defense of Hill's, LOL ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >>> LOL, it is pretty strange, isn't it? Makes one wonder if we have another >>> Hill's rep here. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Really? Well, now it makes perfect sense his dog-with-a-bone defense of >Hill's, LOL Lauren, AGAIN you are wrong! LOL! This is becoming almost a daily thing w/ you, isn't it? I have no idea who "L" is, but I am not married to a Hill's rep. LOL! >> >Hello Gaubster. What the hell do you do, search google groups for the >> >word "Hills" everyday? Another thread with Hills in it and here you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >No, he's just married to one. Nope! You're wrong again! Oh Cheryl, it makes him happy.... >>Another Hill's basher. Too bad millions of pets have gotten better >>or had their lives saved on Hill's diets. > > Hello Gaubster. What the hell do you do, search google groups for the > word "Hills" everyday? Another thread with Hills in it and here you > are. lol >> Another Hill's basher. Too bad millions of pets have gotten better >> or had their lives saved on Hill's diets. > >Hello Gaubster. What the hell do you do, search google groups for the >word "Hills" everyday? Another thread with Hills in it and here you >are. lol Nope, I peruse the cat ng looking for topics that may be of interest to me. It's really that simple. How about you? What brought you to this topic and your reply? >>> Another Hill's basher. Too bad millions of pets have gotten >>> better [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > interest to me. It's really that simple. How about you? What > brought you to this topic and your reply? Experience. >From: gaubster2@aol.com (GAUBSTER2) >>Science Diet foods are crap - get your cat to a different >>vet and change to a normal food - one that won't exascerbate his >>urinary tract or intestines/colon. > >Another Hill's basher. Too bad millions of pets have gotten better or had >their lives saved on Hill's diets. You got any proof of that? ROFL! ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > >WD is weight diet for overweight cats - not for urinary tract > >problems. > > w/d has the same urinary output as c/d-s. I have never seen a cat prescribed W/D for urinary tract disease. > >Science Diet foods are crap - get your cat to a different > >vet and change to a normal food - one that won't exascerbate his > >urinary tract or intestines/colon. > > Another Hill's basher. Only because of experience, dear. I worked for Hill's pushers. >Too bad millions of pets have gotten better or had > their lives saved on Hill's diets. Too bad many have had nothing but a myriad of problems with them, too. I have seen many a case of megacolon resulting from their "intestinal" foods. I have seen numerous cats do much better on other foods. The "prescription diet" marketing relationship they have with vets is a scam. > >If the vets push Science Diet just > >tell them you won't feed it. Vets push it because they get huge > >bennies from Hill's. > > ...and what would those be?? See post, above. > >I would start off with a bland canned food that is easy on the > >digestive tract - the one my feline specialist recommended was Purina > >diabetic diet - it is high in protein and easy to digest. > > You like Purina?? LOL! No. I merely said Purina DM is a good food for intestinal distress. Learn to read. The same company that makes Mainstay and Dog Chow? > The same company that is notorious for putting out high sugar diets?? It's > interesting that you mention the diabetic diet...Hill's has a better one that > is lower in sodium and phosphorus. But that won't matter to you since you >hate > Hill's. Why do you hate Hill's? What's not to hate? -L. >From: k3_e81@yahoo.com (-L.) >gaubster2@aol.com (GAUBSTER2) wrote in message >> Another Hill's basher. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >foods. The "prescription diet" marketing relationship they have with >vets is a scam. I've never had a cat do well on Hill's Science Diet, any of their formulas. Their coats would be dry, flakey skin, large volumes of odiforous feces, diarrhea and vomiting. Once I took any of the cats off Hill's Science Die, their conditions would improve. I think their foods are much too high in grains and fillers for a carnivore. Check out their new formula *Advanced Protection": Ingredients: Brewers rice, chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal, corn meal, animal fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), dried egg product, chicken liver flavor, fish oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols and ascorbic acid), DL-methionine, L-lysine, natural flavor, taurine, L-cysteine, L-carnitine, preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid, minerals (potassium chloride, calcium sulfate, calcium carbonate, salt, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), rosemary extract, beta-carotene, vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin E supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (a source of Vitamin C), niacin, thiamine mononitrate, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement). I don't know, maybe it's just me, but this doesn't seem like a diet fit for a carnivore. Where's the meat??? Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >What's not to hate? > >-L. It's obvious you have an ax to grind and that you are a very unhappy person. Perhaps you should seek counseling? > > I give him filtered water using a high quality system that filters out 99% > > of chlorine. I've been giving him this since before his diarrhea. Also, he [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > WD is weight diet for overweight cats - not for urinary tract > problems. That is incorrect. Feline Prescription Diet Feline w/d is also a urinary tract diet for the control of struvites, as are Feline r/d, t/d, and c/d. Science Diet foods are crap - get your cat to a different > vet and change to a normal food - one that won't exascerbate his > urinary tract or intestines/colon. And you base this on what peer reviewed published data? I guess you know soemthing that all ACVIM Diplomates that are board certified in nutrition and 90% of veterinarians in practice everyday don't know. If the vets push Science Diet just > tell them you won't feed it. Vets push it because they get huge > bennies from Hill's. BS - Vets makes less profit on pet food sales than any other item in the clinic. The only "bennies" they get each month is a bill. Of course there is some benefit to having satisfied clients I suppose. >From: rosebrook@sbcglobal.net (Steve Crane) >> "Hank" <sorry@nogood.com> wrote in message >news:<AN-dne9S8dERiuqiRVn-sg@speakeasy.net>... [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >the clinic. The only "bennies" they get each month is a bill. Of >course there is some benefit to having satisfied clients I suppose. Spoken like a true Hill's rep, LOL ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >>BS - Vets makes less profit on pet food sales than any other item in >>the clinic. The only "bennies" they get each month is a bill. Of >>course there is some benefit to having satisfied clients I suppose. > >Spoken like a true Hill's rep, LOL If the truth fits, wear it proudly!! -L wrote: >Science Diet foods are crap - get your cat to a >different vet and change to a normal food - one >that won't exascerbate his urinary tract or >intestines/colon. If the vets push Science Diet >just tell them you won't feed it. Vets push it >because they get huge bennies from Hill's. I haven't been following this thread but had to comment on this. Science Diet foods are very far from being "crap"!! I have seen their prescription diets work wonders for urinary problems, heart problems, diabetics, weight reduction ect.... It may not work for all but it DOES work for many. I'm not sure what a "bennie" is but, if you mean $ no, vets don't make all that much money off of selling it nor do they get any kick backs/freebies from Hill's.. Nadine >Been really struggling with this one. I know this is a long post, but I >thought it would be good to be thorough and provide all the details. [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] >(if you read this whole thing, thank you very much!) >-- Hank Quite a puzzle> I assume you do not give him milk which some cats cannot tolerate. Do you give him filtered water?. Some people are bothered by the chemicals used to purify water so he may be too. Can he tolerate people tuna (canned) or sardines? Medications can cause the "dire" (do you use vaseline on sore butt?) It could be one of the preservatives in the cat food. Guess it is a case of trial and error. I expect it might take three days on any change to be effective. Best of luck. >Can he tolerate people tuna (canned) or sardines? Feeding a cat tuna is NOT a good idea. > It could be one >of the preservatives in the cat food. Why would you think this? Preservatives are not a problem in cat food contrary to mob opinion. > > Can he tolerate people tuna (canned) or sardines? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Why would you think this? Preservatives are not a problem in cat > food contrary to mob opinion. I've fed several cats Starkist tuna (packed water) over the past 30+ years. NOT a steady diet, rather no more than one can per cat per week. Each of those cats lived to 17-19 yrs of age and quit healthy until death. The rest of their diets comprised mostly of dry food. When a cat shows a preference for an occasional dollop of raw fish of one sort or another, go with it. -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" > >Can he tolerate people tuna (canned) or sardines? > > Feeding a cat tuna is NOT a good idea. Every vet I have ever talked to on-line or IRL has said that fish, such as tuna packed in water, is ok as an occassional treat or in instances where the cat refuses other food and is in danger of hipatic lipidosis, etc. Tuna is only a problem if it is a steady component of the diet. In fact, many vets recommend mixing tuna with meds to get the cats to eat them. -L. > > > Can he tolerate people tuna (canned) or sardines? > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > -L. Agreed. I've limited people grade Starkist tuna (in water) to about 10-20% of the weekly diet. None have every had constipation, diarrhea, or any yakking up after consumption. Everything in moderation. -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" >From: "Hank" sorry@nogood.com >This whole thing started with the diet change. Diarrhea was never a problem >before the diet change. Maybe it's a food alergy, I don't know. So your cat didn't have a problem until you started feeding him the urinary formula of Science Diet? Interesting. Maybe he is allergic to something in the Hill's foods, I don't know. If it were my cat, I would take him to a holistic vet, since you've already tried 2 allopathic vets with no success. If you live in the US, they have a state by state listing at www.altvetmed.com. There is also a very helpful group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineIBD/ Good luck and I hope your kitty gets well soon. Four months of diarrhea can't be fun (for you or him). Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >> From: "Hank" sorry@nogood.com > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > So your cat didn't have a problem until you started feeding him the > urinary formula of Science Diet That's the weird thing here, Lauren. Hill Prescription WD isn't for urinary problems, it is high fiber. >From: "Cheryl" jlh@NOSPAMpetitmorte.net >PawsForThought <darnit7@aol.comnolitter> composed with style: >>> From: "Hank" sorry@nogood.com [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >That's the weird thing here, Lauren. Hill Prescription WD isn't for >urinary problems, it is high fiber. Maybe all the fiber iritated the cat's colon? ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm OP here... Thanks all for the support. I had questioned the vet about the WD decision noting it's stated purpose. He said the fiber might help with the runs, and should still have enough urinary ingredients. I've heard from this thread and others suggesting to stop food (keep water) for 24 hours, then start a diet of boiled chicken and rice. I think I may do this and see how it goes. Should it be chicken breast, or the more fatty thighs, keep the skin (lot's of fat there)? Also, I think I'll try a different vet, and will also check the resouces listed by an above poster on alternative veterinarians. Thanks! Hank > >From: "Cheryl" jlh@NOSPAMpetitmorte.net > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html > Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >From: "Hank" sorry@nogood.com >OP here... Thanks all for the support. I had questioned the vet about the WD >decision noting it's stated purpose. He said the fiber might help with the >runs, and should still have enough urinary ingredients. Hi Hank, AFAIK, fiber on an already irritated colon will only make things worse, so I don't understand how your vet thought more fiber was going to help a cat with serious diarrhea. >I've heard from this thread and others suggesting to stop food (keep water) >for 24 hours, then start a diet of boiled chicken and rice. I think I may do >this and see how it goes. Should it be chicken breast, or the more fatty >thighs, keep the skin (lot's of fat there)? I would just make sure not to go more than 24 hours without your cat eating. As to the chicken, because your cat's system is already stressed, I would eliminate the skin for now and just go with some white meat. I think if you post on that IBD Yahoo group, they may have some guidelines when feeding homemade meals. >Also, I think I'll try a different vet, and will also check the resouces >listed by an above poster on alternative veterinarians. Good idea. Good luck and let us know how things go. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > OP here... Thanks all for the support. I had questioned the vet about the WD > decision noting it's stated purpose. He said the fiber might help with the > runs, and should still have enough urinary ingredients. What?!? Fiber will increade intestinal irritation. I'd get a second opinion form a feline specialist. > I've heard from this thread and others suggesting to stop food (keep water) > for 24 hours, then start a diet of boiled chicken and rice. I think I may do > this and see how it goes. Should it be chicken breast, or the more fatty > thighs, keep the skin (lot's of fat there)? No skin - just meat. Minimal fat. Dark meat is ok. > Also, I think I'll try a different vet, and will also check the resouces > listed by an above poster on alternative veterinarians. Best of luck! -L. > > OP here... Thanks all for the support. I had questioned the vet > > about the WD decision noting it's stated purpose. He said the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > second > opinion from a feline specialist. Consider there are numerous grades of dietary fiber ranging from husks to herbs that increase water retention in the colon and thereby increase mobility. So your blanket condemnation is faulty. > > I've heard from this thread and others suggesting to stop food > > (keep water) for 24 hours, then start a diet of boiled chicken [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -L. -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" "Philip ®" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net.invalid> wrote in message news:<jSueb.11023$NX3.10925@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>... > > > OP here... Thanks all for the support. I had questioned the vet > > > about the WD decision noting it's stated purpose. He said the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > husks to herbs that increase water retention in the colon and thereby > increase mobility. So your blanket condemnation is faulty. I don't know ANY vet that would prescribe a high-fiber diet to a cat with chronic diarrhea. That's just assinine. -L. > That's the weird thing here, Lauren. Hill Prescription WD isn't for > urinary problems, it is high fiber. That is incorrect. Prescription Diet feline w/d, r/d, t/d and c/d are all approved for use in cats at risk of developing struvite uroliths. All develop APR's less than 0 for struvite stones. >>This whole thing started with the diet change. Diarrhea was never a problem >>before the diet change. Maybe it's a food alergy, I don't know. > >So your cat didn't have a problem until you started feeding him the urinary >formula of Science Diet? Interesting. Maybe he is allergic to something in >the Hill's foods, I don't know. Lauren, you're first suggestion is always a problem w/ Hill's, isn't it? Lay off it for awhile if you can help yourself. If it is a food allergy, z/d would diagnose it fairly quickly and also be the long-term solution. Oops, never mind--it's a Hill's diet that works. >>>This whole thing started with the diet change. Diarrhea was never a problem >>>before the diet change. Maybe it's a food alergy, I don't know. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > diagnose it fairly quickly and also be the long-term solution. Oops, never > mind--it's a Hill's diet that works. Not for a lot of dogs and cats I know, it hasn't - mine included. People tend to recommend the kind of food their pets do well on. You recommend Hill's, other people recommend other kinds. When I know of people whose pets are experiencing food allergies, I tell them what I feed my dog + plus what a few other people I know feed. It's human nature. You're becoming quite obsessed with what Lauren has to say. Do you have a crush on her??? >From: "Karen M." mskitty@easystreetNOSPAM.com >>>>This whole thing started with the diet change. Diarrhea was never a >problem [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >pets are experiencing food allergies, I tell them what I feed my dog + >plus what a few other people I know feed. Exactly, Karen! If any of my cats had ever done well on Hill's Science Die I would definitely be recommending it. But unfortunately any cat I've ever fed Hill's foods never did good on it. So why would I recommend it when there are so many other better foods out there? Maybe I should be like Gaubster and just blindly listen to anything Hill's has to say, nevermind how the animal actually does on the stuff. >You're >becoming quite obsessed with what Lauren has to say. Do you have a crush >on her??? EEEEEEEEEEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::::::running for the hills::::::::::: Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >Exactly, Karen! If any of my cats had ever done well on Hill's Science Die I >would definitely be recommending it. But unfortunately any cat I've ever fed >Hill's foods never did good on it. So why would I recommend it when there >are >so many other better foods out there? The foods you recommend aren't "better" nutritionally. That's the problem. Hill's isn't a panacea for EVERY animal, but neither is it the Great Satan that you and others make it out to be. > > > This whole thing started with the diet change. Diarrhea was > > > never a problem before the diet change. Maybe it's a food [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > be the long-term solution. Oops, never mind--it's a Hill's diet > that works. The problem with Hill's Science Diet is that people can taste it when you mix in a can with the Thursday night tuna casserole. -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" >From: "Philip ®" 1chip-state1@earthlink.net.invalid >GAUBSTER2 <gaubster2@aol.com> being of bellicose mind posted: >> > > This whole thing started with the diet change. Diarrhea was [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >The problem with Hill's Science Diet is that people can taste it when >you mix in a can with the Thursday night tuna casserole. LOL, so that's why I was throwing up after dinner on Thursdays! <g> ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >The problem with Hill's Science Diet is that people can taste it when >you mix in a can with the Thursday night tuna casserole. >-- Yeah, right--why would you be stupid enough to do that? > > The problem with Hill's Science Diet is that people can taste it > > when you mix in a can with the Thursday night tuna casserole. > > -- > > Yeah, right--why would you be stupid enough to do that? Well... the post was made tonge in cheek. But poor people have been known to chow down on pet foods for whatever reason. Considering the determination of some people to feed raw and select people grade foods to their cats, shouldn't Hills Science Diet be at least that good? Have you ever tried Alpo? Smells a lot better than some of the competition! ;-) -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" OP here... I just though of something, my cat can be very sensitive to sudden changes in diet - that is in terms of throwing up. A friend once gave him some cooked (and smoked) beef (while I was away) and he threw up all over the place. Also, I tried giving him a small amount of yoghurt for the diarrhea (about a teaspoon, warmed) and he puked on that. All this said, he didn't throw up when we switched from Hill's to IVB green peas and rabbit - I put him straight on the new dry food (he's always had dry) without doing it gradually and no puking. So, I'm kind of concerned about putting him straight on chicken and rice for fear that he'll puke it all up. Should I do a very gradual transition? Hank > OP here... > I just though of something, my cat can be very sensitive to sudden [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Hank Personally, Hank, I would just change him to plain chicken for a couple of days following a short fast. Forget the rice; if he does well on the chicken, think about adding rice but also looking into other supplements necessary for a complete diet for a period of time such as adding calcium or bone meal to balance out the phosphorus. If you feed a homemade diet for any substantial length of time, you'll need to make sure it is balanced with taurine and other vitamins and minerals. I only add this last part because if he does well on a homemade diet, likes it and can live on it well and you decide to keep doing this, you'll need to know it has to be supplemented. You can supplement long term with multi-vitamins made for humans - Whole Foods grocery store has a good one that you can crush portions of, as it comes in a capsule-shaped tablet form and is all natural. If this sort of diet helps him, I'd strongly recommend talking to a nutritionist or a feline-only vet to make sure it's balanced. Many books on the subject, too. Should it be raw chicken or cooked? > Should it be raw chicken or cooked? COOKED!!!! I lightly braise it, or sort of poached. Plenty moist. You can make up a bunch at one time and freeze it in portions that last 2 days or so, no more. I experimented with cooking chicken in the crock pot so that it is shredded like Shadow likes it; it worked out pretty well. I can't get him to eat it all the time but a few times a week now is better than nothing. He eats crappy canned food (Friskies, it's all he'll eat) the majority of the time but I think he'd be better off with his problems if I could get him to eat the homemade diet all of the time. He's also a dry food junkie but he's down to very little now. I hope you post updates because I'm very interested in how your kitty makes out. I swear it is the fiber wreaking havoc on the system that starts this. Yes, I'll definitely keep you posted. Once I solve this, the info I'll have should be helpful to others. Have you seen this article posted by someone recently? It has some very interesting information about a cat's species-appropriate diet. http://www.homevet.com/petcare/feedingyourcat.html > > Should it be raw chicken or cooked? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > interested in how your kitty makes out. I swear it is the fiber > wreaking havoc on the system that starts this. >From: "Hank" sorry@nogood.com >Have you seen this article posted by someone recently? It has some very >interesting information about a cat's species-appropriate diet. >http://www.homevet.com/petcare/feedingyourcat.html I posted the link and it's a great article. I'm glad you liked it. It really makes us think about how we feed our cats. Did you read Dr. Zoran's article that's linked at the bottom of the article? Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > > Should it be raw chicken or cooked? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I swear it is the fiber wreaking havoc on the system that starts > this. Dietary fiber does NOT bring about diarrhea. -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" > > I swear it is the fiber wreaking havoc on the system that starts > > this. > > Dietary fiber does NOT bring about diarrhea. It's a theory based on timing in my cat and some foods I've tried him on. Since you say this, *why* do you say this? > > > I swear it is the fiber wreaking havoc on the system that > > > starts this. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It's a theory based on timing in my cat and some foods I've tried > him on. Since you say this, *why* do you say this? 'Cuz you're statement is counterintuitive. Dietary fiber is what gives stool the volume needed for the intestines to 'grab on' to waste material and move it along. Try it on yourself: Eat a bowl of bran cereal (GrapeNuts, Shredded Wheat, Raisin Bran, or a large helping of rice) every morning and see what happens to YOUR "output." (more dietary fiber does increase the need for liquid intake otherwise, you can bring on constipation.) -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" > > > > I swear it is the fiber wreaking havoc on the system that > > > > starts this. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > (more dietary fiber does increase the need for liquid intake > otherwise, you can bring on constipation.) Seems that way, doesn't it. What about intestines that are stressed? I thought the same thing and tried to add fiber to my cats diet to help along the diarrhea and made it worse. Look it up. Do you have some proof to back up what you're saying, because I'd hate to see someone else's cat made worse by what you *think* should occur. > > > > In news:blamou$n40$1@bob.news.rcn.net, > > > > Cheryl <jlh@NOSPAMpetitmorte.net> being of bellicose mind [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > I'd hate to see someone else's cat made worse by what you *think* > should occur. "We" can find anything on the internet to support our opinions, Cheryl. When you've got an intestinal irritant present (gastrointestinal stressor), quite possibly the addition of dietary fiber might appear to make the situation more voluminous but in fact is beneficial in expediting the irritant materials from the body. Now, if the stressor is psychological, then the solution is in the cessation of that stimulus. What do you *think* of that, dear? :-) -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" > > > > > In news:blamou$n40$1@bob.news.rcn.net, > > > > > Cheryl <jlh@NOSPAMpetitmorte.net> being of bellicose mind [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Now, if the stressor is psychological, then the solution is in the > cessation of that stimulus. What do you *think* of that, dear? :-) You still haven't convinced me. I'm, oh what did you call me in another thread? Hmm? You're a tad on the smartass side so you're losing credibility with me, "dear". > > > > > "Philip ?" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net.invalid> wrote in > > > > > message news:_97eb.9681$NX3.2645@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > > > > > In news:blamou$n40$1@bob.news.rcn.net, > > > > > > Cheryl <jlh@NOSPAMpetitmorte.net> being of bellicose mind [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > thread? Hmm? You're a tad on the smartass side so you're losing > credibility with me, "dear". It is not my intent to persuade you. Your mind is set. Many people who have excess maternal energy get all weirded out over their pets. I've often noted that the pet owner is the problem and projects their problem onto the pet. If I were a pet and had to live/depend on some of these people, I'd go drown myself in the toilet or bolt for the door. -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" Not for Philip, but for the OP about dietary fiber and IBD http://www.infopet.co.uk/pages/5021.html "Fibre may provide some benefits such as maintaining colonic motility, but is not recommended for pets with small intestine problems since it may damage small intestines that are inflamed. Diets with more fibre are also less digestible, and pancreatic enzyme activity is impaired by fibre." There are many older articles that suggest fiber for IBD (and we do not know that is what Hank's cats problem is so why exacerbate it if it involves the small bowel?) but newer articles state that high digestability is suggested for dietary treatment. ie, a digestable protein source. > Not for Philip, but for the OP about dietary fiber and IBD > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > digestability is suggested for dietary treatment. ie, a digestable > protein source. Rusty decided to use the people toilet this afternoon. You'd think a dog had been there. -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" > > > > I swear it is the fiber wreaking havoc on the system that > > > > starts this. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > (more dietary fiber does increase the need for liquid intake > otherwise, you can bring on constipation.) Why are you comparing your physiology to that of your carnivorous kitty? -Alison in OH In news:ask.me-48872E.12433930092003@eeyore.ins.cwru.edu, Alison Perera <ask.me@cwru.edu.invalid> being of bellicose mind posted: > > > > In news:blamou$n40$1@bob.news.rcn.net, > > > > Cheryl <jlh@NOSPAMpetitmorte.net> being of bellicose mind [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > -Alison in OH Dietary fiber is dietary fiber. That my little carnivore's tract is shorter doesn't change how fiber behaves in an intestine. You have info to the contrary? LOL -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" >From: "Philip ®" 1chip-state1@earthlink.net.invalid >Cheryl <jlh@petitmorte.net> being of bellicose mind posted: >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > ~~Philip However, dietary fiber can irritate the colon in some cats (people too). I know people who have diverticulosis are not supposed to eat things like bran. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm In news:20030930124645.16774.00000080@mb-m07.aol.com, PawsForThought <darnit7@aol.comnolitter> being of bellicose mind posted: > > From: "Philip ?" 1chip-state1@earthlink.net.invalid > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > too). I know people who have diverticulosis are not supposed to > eat things like bran. ________ Diverticulums in humans is the result of insufficient dietary fiber, too much sugar, too much fat, and too much protein. I just had an endoscopic exam about a year ago and for an American man of my age, I had remarkably few diverticulums (6 small ones, total). Things with small seeds (bananas, kiwi fruit, cucumbers, strawberries, black/blue/rasp-berries, etc) must avoided if a diverticulum becomes infected with an impacted debris. Diverticulosis in people can come about from aspirin, caffene, insufficient dietary fiber, nervous conditions, etc. Do you think it's any different in cats? Of my two old Siamese, the male in his old age developed a leison in his anus which bled from time to time. But the bleeding occured NOT when he had a BM, rather when he occasionally scooted his anus across the rug at the back door where people wipe their feet. That was a really ROUGH rug. But what are you gonna do, right? Stupid cat. Wonder if anyone out there has slipped their cat some Fleet's Phosopho Soda or had a vet give their cat an enema? LOL -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" > Diverticulums in humans is the result of insufficient dietary fiber, > too much sugar, too much fat, and too much protein. I just had an [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > about from aspirin, caffene, insufficient dietary fiber, nervous > conditions, etc. Do you think it's any different in cats? The cats GI tract is not like a humans. That is *part* of what makes them an obligate carnivore. > Of my two old Siamese, the male in his old age developed a leison in > his anus which bled from time to time. But the bleeding occured NOT > when he had a BM, rather when he occasionally scooted his anus > across the rug at the back door where people wipe their feet. That > was a really ROUGH rug. But what are you gonna do, right? Stupid > cat. Sounds like an anal sac problem to me, possibly. > Wonder if anyone out there has slipped their cat some Fleet's > Phosopho Soda or had a vet give their cat an enema? LOL Not a laughing matter. My RB cat Marley with megacolon had to have enemas (by the vet, I sure couldn't do it) every two weeks up until the end where he would have needed one every few days if he had continued to eat. Very sad to watch a cat go through that and have to decide between final rest or removal of the diseased part of the colon which has its own set of problems. You really need to learn a few things about cats before you start doling out advice on health matters. > > Diverticulums in humans is the result of insufficient dietary > > fiber, too much sugar, too much fat, and too much protein. I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The cats GI tract is not like a humans. That is *part* of what > makes them an obligate carnivore. The length of the their tract is shorter for their size than humans (humans tract longer so that vegetable matter will digest properly). But tell me Cheryl, how is a cat's different in any other significant way. > > Of my two old Siamese, the male in his old age developed a > > leison in his anus which bled from time to time. But the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Sounds like an anal sac problem to me, possibly. Hemorrhoid. > > Wonder if anyone out there has slipped their cat some Fleet's > > Phosopho Soda or had a vet give their cat an enema? LOL [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > You really need to learn a few things about cats before you start > doling out advice on health matters. Cheryl, considering the wealth of serious maladies that your cats have endured, I'd say you have a lot to UNlearn. As far as dispensing advise, a quick screening of your posts reveals this is your turf. I tell you want I've done for many many years. Your mileage may vary. -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" |
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