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worried about 18y/o cat with new dog

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AA - 06 Aug 2005 14:56 GMT
A little background.  Buggy spent most of her life outdoors at my
mother's, including winters, though in her later years she just wanted
to stay indoors.  My mother and step-father's home became the "dumping
ground" for my sisters' cats when it wasn't convenient for them to care
for them any longer.  She was best friends with one of the other cats
until that one died.  Since then she dislikes all the other cats.  If
they come close she starts growling and eventually swipes at them.

I had been living overseas but when I came back we took Buggy and she is
living with us now.  She is very very happy now, completely relaxed, and
loves all the attention and her new life here.

Now the problem: My little sister just had a baby.  She also has 2 dogs
and a cat (and a husband) in a very small house on a marine base.  She
can no longer put up with it and has decided she must give away one of
the dogs.  He is a jack russel terrier and we are thinking about taking
him on because he is a nice dog.  Really the only concern I have is for
Buggy.  I'm afraid this will put a great strain on her and I don't know
if she will be able to grow accustomed to him.  Right now she is
stretched out in the middle of the living room floor looking very
comfortable and I'd hate to have her spend the rest of her life hiding
from him.

Does anyone have any experience in this area or any advice to offer?

We are going back overseas in a few weeks.  Any pets we have will go
with us.  We thought about taking him on a trial basis for about a week.
 Any thoughts?

Thanks.
Karen - 06 Aug 2005 16:26 GMT
That is a VERY high energy dog. But jack russells are also very popular. If
I were you, I would look for a home for him with someone that is either
experienced with Jack Russels or home a LOT because I tell you what, JR's
will become instant destructo dogs if not highly engaged. A calm dog would
possibly be ok with your cat, but a JR is, IMO, too energetic. They can be
friends with cats but it needs to be young and energetic too.
Rhonda - 06 Aug 2005 17:48 GMT
I would ditto that. I've heard a lot about jack russells, and I wouldn't
want to put one of those with my cats. With your cat's history -- I
don't think it's a good match.

I've heard about jack russellls jumping fences you never thought they
would, and always looking for a "job" to do.

I would think she could pretty easily find someone else who wanted a
jack russell.

Good luck,

Rhonda

> That is a VERY high energy dog. But jack russells are also very popular. If
> I were you, I would look for a home for him with someone that is either
> experienced with Jack Russels or home a LOT because I tell you what, JR's
> will become instant destructo dogs if not highly engaged. A calm dog would
> possibly be ok with your cat, but a JR is, IMO, too energetic. They can be
> friends with cats but it needs to be young and energetic too.
Snittens - 06 Aug 2005 18:27 GMT
>I would ditto that. I've heard a lot about jack russells, and I wouldn't
>want to put one of those with my cats. With your cat's history -- I don't
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> I would think she could pretty easily find someone else who wanted a jack
> russell.

Maybe look for a JR rescue?  From what I've heard as well, if you aren't up
for an energetic little dog like that, they will drive you insane.  I don't
think it would be a good match for an 18 year old cat.  If you did want to
get a dog, I would suggest an older, calm dog.

-Kelly
Helen Miles - 09 Aug 2005 19:18 GMT
> I would ditto that. I've heard a lot about jack russells, and I wouldn't
> want to put one of those with my cats. With your cat's history -- I
> don't think it's a good match.
>
> I've heard about jack russellls jumping fences you never thought they
> would, and always looking for a "job" to do.///

I've had JRT's all my life, and I've also had cats. They two can learn
to get along happily, as long as the cat is allowed to be boss. The
secret is to make sure that the dog knows that it's right at the bottom
of the pecking order, and to be very firm and disciplined with it. Also,
don't let it get away with *anything* (the JRT that is). They can be
obnoxious little sh*ts if they aren't well established at the bottom of
the hierachy. They also need a lot of exercise - they *are* very high
energy. Having said that, they are cracking little dogs and I miss mine.
She died last year, aged 17 from CRF.

Helen m
AA - 14 Aug 2005 11:38 GMT
> I've had JRT's all my life, and I've also had cats. They two can learn
> to get along happily, as long as the cat is allowed to be boss. The
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>
> Helen m

The dog Goober arrived yesterday evening.  He does seem to be relatively
undisciplined.  He was full of energy from the long drive.

When he got close to the cat she arched her back and started hissing.  I
guess these dogs are pretty smart because he hasn't gotten close enough
for her to scratch him yet.  So far she is definitely the boss and as
the dog is making his energetic circles through the apartment he gives
her a wide berth.

As evening got later Goober fell asleep on the other side of the room.
The rest of us were focused on something else and didn't notice Buggy
(the cat) had moved from her chair.  I happened to notice her on the
other side of the room sniffing Goober (the dog).  This was quite
interesting to me.  The dog noticed her sniffing and moved a bit, she
jerked back and hissed, he retreated.  Goober, in an attempt to get away
from her, moved to the side of the room where Buggy's chair is.  She
followed and had him backed into a corner.  It was pretty funny to see
him scrambling over stuff to get out of the corner and away from Buggy.
 I think it's pretty clear who the boss is.

After the dog was locked up for the night Buggy came and snuggled with
me for a while.  I'm glad that she can still be herself so soon after
the dog is out of sight.

We really haven't had enough time for the two of them to adjust to each
other yet.  The dog is in serious need of discipline and I would like to
hear from anyone who has any pointers.  I've never raised a dog, though
we had one when I was a kid.  A friend of mine has done quite well with
a wadded up roll of newspaper to take care of the "negative
reinforcement" side.
Annie Wxill - 14 Aug 2005 22:07 GMT
...> We really haven't had enough time for the two of them to adjust to each
> other yet.  The dog is in serious need of discipline and I would like to
> hear from anyone who has any pointers.  I've never raised a dog, though we
> had one when I was a kid.  A friend of mine has done quite well with a
> wadded up roll of newspaper to take care of the "negative reinforcement"
> side.

Hi AA,
It sounds like the dog will be O.K. with the cat and the cat doesn't seem to
be too upset.
As for training the dog, do you have a PetSmart or similar business near
you?  I know that they offer training to solve behavior problems as well as
regular obedience training.  I suggest you see what is offered along those
lines in your area.  It would be good for you and for the dog.
Annie
AA - 15 Aug 2005 12:50 GMT
> ...> We really haven't had enough time for the two of them to adjust to each
>
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> lines in your area.  It would be good for you and for the dog.
> Annie

Annie,

Yes, there is a Petsmart and I left a message for them to call me back.
 The vet also recommended a Pet Behaviorist.  I might try both.
Hopefully the latter might have some suggestions on how to reduce
tensions between the dog and the cat.

Last night was our first night with the dog.  He gets locked in his cage
at night.  He started barking a few times, I think when he heard the
neighbors coming home or walking around upstairs.  I yelled at him and
squirted him with a little water and he got quiet for a while.  This
repeated about 3 times.  Do you have any suggestions on how to keep him
quiet at night?  I'm already a light sleeper.

Thanks.
Annie Wxill - 16 Aug 2005 00:46 GMT
> Annie,
> Yes, there is a Petsmart and I left a message for them to call me back.
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>
> Thanks.

You need to realize that this is all new for the dog.  He doesn't know yet
what you expect, and the only way to find out is to try something. He needs
a lot of affection and lots of praise when he behaves as you want.  Terriers
can be a lot of fun.  Our little terrier mix was always looking for a way to
join in when the kids were doing something.  She had a serious tennis ball
addiction and taught herself to roll a ball down the stairs, go after it,
bring it up and roll it down again. She figured out to alert me when the
phone rang and I was doing something noisy like laundry or vacuuming.  When
she developed congestive heart failure and needed medication twice a day,
she would remind me if I forgot the time.

We had two big old cats when we got her as a pup, and I think they made her
an honorary cat.

Your dog may not be used to being in a cage all alone all night.  If he only
started barking a few times, he's doing a lot better than a lot of dogs.
Personally, I feel more secure with that little alarm looking out for the
household.  A few barks at a strange sound is good as he learns what sounds
are strange for your environment and gets used to the usual sounds. Of
course, you don't want him to keep on barking or to learn that the way to
get attention in the middle of the night is to start barking.  This may be
what you are teaching him by responding.  I suppose the easiest way to keep
him quiet at night is to let him sleep with you, but I would be surprised if
the cat would agree to that!

I think the classes would be good for both you and the dog.  A talk with a
pet behaviorist may help you understand how to meet the dog's needs while
meeting the needs of the cat.  You can change some behaviors, but remember
that the dog is a dog and you can enjoy him for his personality just as your
cat is a cat and you enjoy her for hers.
Annie
PawsForThought - 14 Aug 2005 18:03 GMT
> That is a VERY high energy dog. But jack russells are also very popular. If
> I were you, I would look for a home for him with someone that is either
> experienced with Jack Russels or home a LOT because I tell you what, JR's
> will become instant destructo dogs if not highly engaged. A calm dog would
> possibly be ok with your cat, but a JR is, IMO, too energetic. They can be
> friends with cats but it needs to be young and energetic too.

Aren't those the dogs that have a very high prey drive and are known to
go after cats?
Karen - 14 Aug 2005 19:10 GMT
>> That is a VERY high energy dog. But jack russells are also very popular. If
>> I were you, I would look for a home for him with someone that is either
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> Aren't those the dogs that have a very high prey drive and are known to
> go after cats?

Hmm, I've only known one and he got along fine with the cat as a playmate.
They have a high something drive though. He would wear his paws out running
around.
AA - 15 Aug 2005 12:45 GMT
>>That is a VERY high energy dog. But jack russells are also very popular. If
>>I were you, I would look for a home for him with someone that is either
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Aren't those the dogs that have a very high prey drive and are known to
> go after cats?

Hasn't happened yet, in fact the cat has gone after him a couple of
times.  We keep him locked up when we're not at home.  Believe me, the
cat is #1 in my eyes.  She's had a long life and I feel bad that she
doesn't (yet?) have the run of the house anymore.
Annie Wxill - 06 Aug 2005 19:52 GMT
... My little sister just had a baby.  She also has 2 dogs
> and a cat (and a husband) in a very small house on a marine base.  ... >
...

How old is the dog?  How does he get along with the cat in his present home?

Buggy probably would not like the idea, but she might get along with a dog
better than another cat.

I'm partial to terriers myself, but they have too much energy for some
people.

I think you need to consider what this particular dog is like and how he
would fit with you and with Buggy.  However, it might take longer than a
week to make a determination.

Good luck.  Too bad your sister is a bit loopy and always needs someone to
bail her out.

Annie
AA - 07 Aug 2005 14:52 GMT
> ... My little sister just had a baby.  She also has 2 dogs
>
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>
> Annie

He supposedly mostly ignores the cats he lived with at my sister's.
I've been warned about how much attention he will need and my wife has
been asking for a dog for a while to pay attention to, so I'm hoping
that part will be OK.  I'm mostly worried about Buggy being able to
relax and continue to enjoy her life.
Karen - 07 Aug 2005 15:47 GMT
>> ... My little sister just had a baby.  She also has 2 dogs
>>
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> that part will be OK.  I'm mostly worried about Buggy being able to
> relax and continue to enjoy her life.

If the dog really ignores her, she'll probably be fine, but I really find
that hard to believe with a JR! Everyone is a TOY!
Annie Wxill - 07 Aug 2005 15:50 GMT
> He supposedly mostly ignores the cats he lived with at my sister's. I've
> been warned about how much attention he will need and my wife has been
> asking for a dog for a while to pay attention to, so I'm hoping that part
> will be OK.  I'm mostly worried about Buggy being able to relax and
> continue to enjoy her life.

Hi AA,
Well, you know that the dog is cat friendly and not inclined to chase.  Some
of the cats he's known probably have taught him some manners. Buggy would
need some places, such as a cat tree, where she can view the action but feel
safe.

I'd guess that at first, Buggy will not be happy at having an interloper.  I
can understand your concern because of her age.  You wouldn't want to stress
her too much.  On the other hand, if the dog already knows who's boss, it
should not take Buggy too long to pick up on this.  At that point, she would
be likely to view the dog as an interesting source of amusement and maybe
even as a companion.

I think the key is your wife, who says she wants a dog. If she really will
give the dog the attention he needs on a long-term basis, I think it could
work out fine for all.
But you know your cat and the dog and your wife.  I don't.  The trial basis
you suggested in your first post sounds like a good idea, as long as your
wife will be there to supervise the dog and you realize that Buggy probably
will hide out for a while and you can give her lots of attention and
reassurance and monitor her stress level.

Many dogs and cats get along fine.  Even when the dog is a bouncy little
terrier.  I know from experience.

Annie
Helen Miles - 07 Aug 2005 23:09 GMT
I'm afraid this will put a great strain on her and I don't know
> if she will be able to grow accustomed to him.  Right now she is
> stretched out in the middle of the living room floor looking very
> comfortable and I'd hate to have her spend the rest of her life hiding
> from him.
>
> Does anyone have any experience in this area or any advice to offer?///

If you *ARE* decided on getting the JRT, go out and buy a child gate and
cut a bar out, so the cat can get through it and the JRT can't. Then put
it either across the bottom of the stairs, so that your cat can get away
from the dog and find some peace.

I have a loopy Boarder collie X, and had to introduce her to my feral
cat, who was terrified of dogs. By confining the dog to the kitchen, and
let the cat have space where she *KNEW* that the dog could not follow
and she would be left alone, I was able to introduce them slowly over a
period of about 6 months with minimum stress. You *HAVE* to create a
sacred space for your cat, so that she can chose to be away from the
dog.

Helen M
Jen M. - 08 Aug 2005 07:39 GMT
I wonder--since you have her all calm and acclimated--and since your home
apparently is condusive for that--if her transition with a JR might be
different if she were where she was before?  Make sense?  I have a feeling
she might do fine with it since she is already the queen.

Jen

> I'm afraid this will put a great strain on her and I don't know
>> if she will be able to grow accustomed to him.  Right now she is
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>
>Helen M
AA - 08 Aug 2005 11:53 GMT
> If you *ARE* decided on getting the JRT, go out and buy a child gate and
> cut a bar out, so the cat can get through it and the JRT can't. Then put
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>
> Helen M

I like this child gate idea a lot.  At first I was thinking along these
lines, but JRTs are pretty small and I am afraid he will fit through the
hole right after her.  He can certainly get over it if he wants, but
some supervision should hopefully prevent this.  I'll wait until we get
and measure him before cutting the hole. :)
Rhonda - 09 Aug 2005 01:02 GMT
So have you decided to bring home the dog?

I just don't think that's such a good idea with your older cat, but good
luck.

Rhonda

> I like this child gate idea a lot.  At first I was thinking along these
> lines, but JRTs are pretty small and I am afraid he will fit through the
> hole right after her.  He can certainly get over it if he wants, but
> some supervision should hopefully prevent this.  I'll wait until we get
> and measure him before cutting the hole. :)
AA - 09 Aug 2005 01:33 GMT
> So have you decided to bring home the dog?
>
> I just don't think that's such a good idea with your older cat, but good
> luck.
>
> Rhonda

We're going to try starting this weekend.  If it doesn't work out we can
send him back after a couple of weeks.
 
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