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Ringworm, ringworm, ringworm!

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Laurie - 01 Aug 2005 06:32 GMT
It's spread from one foster kitten to another to another, despite the
isolation, hand washing, shirt changing, feet wiping on the wet bleach
towel, etc... now I don't care how they got it I just need to get RID of
it!  These are black kittens (strike one, unfortunately) who aren't 8
weeks anymore, but going on 14 weeks (strike two) and are shy and
fearful (strike three) and my efforts to tame them down and teach them
to trust people is not going to work if every time I pick them up I'm
dipping them or smearing them with goo or dabbing them with smelly
liquid, not to mention I'm barely picking them up at all because I
already got ringworm on my arm from one of them and I don't want to pass
it back to them in a different spot from where they already have it, not
to mention my husband will kill me if he gets it, and my coworkers won't
like it either, and working at the animal shelter I don't want to pass
ringworm on to all the animals there!  So I need to clear this up FAST
so I can start hugging these kittens again and showing them at adoption
events! (They are banned until they are free of the fungus)  And they're
growing so fast and competing with the little kittens for homes so I'm
desperate to cure them, any and all advice will be gratefully received!
Thanks!
sriddles@aol.com - 01 Aug 2005 06:39 GMT
> It's spread from one foster kitten to another to another, despite the
> isolation, hand washing, shirt changing, feet wiping on the wet bleach
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> desperate to cure them, any and all advice will be gratefully received!
> Thanks!

Ooo. I can't help you but wanted to tell you I am so sorry. What a
nightmare. I do seem to recall there was an injection available for
ringworm--don't know much about it though. Maybe Phil will jump in here
with some info.

Sherry
Snittens - 01 Aug 2005 06:48 GMT
> It's spread from one foster kitten to another to another, despite the
> isolation, hand washing, shirt changing, feet wiping on the wet bleach
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> desperate to cure them, any and all advice will be gratefully received!
> Thanks!

This sounds almost *exactly* like the situation we had at the shelter over
the winter.  I almost hate to tell you how the kittens finally got cleared
of ringworm, you might find it discouraging.  But, the good thing that came
out of it was that the kittens were also on the skittish side, and being in
foster with one of our most loving and experienced volunteers got them to
turn around and become lovebugs.

The kittens were all caged.  I'm not sure how many you have, but you may
want to break them into pairs to limit passing it from kitten to kitten.
They were all dipped weekly in the sulfur-lime dip.  Towels used to line the
cage and handle the kittens were thrown away.  We tend to get way more used
towel donations than we need, so this wasn't a problem.  If you can't throw
towels away, wash them in bleach.  They were also on a medication that
started with a "g", I can't remember what it was called, but it was
expensive.  However, in the foster's mom's opinion, the dipping did more to
cure them than the med.  She had them on the medication only at first, and
they did not tested neg until after the dipping started.
Gloves and smocks were also used when handling the kittens.

How are they being tested?  We used the toothbrush test, which does take
longer to show results, but it is more certain than other tests.  It took
about 3-4 months for these kittens to clear, unfortunately.  After this, we
had another kitten come down with ringworm and we started the dipping
treatment right away.  She cleared much more quickly.

Good luck.  Ringworm is a bitch!

-Kelly
idontmind@gmail.com - 01 Aug 2005 07:37 GMT
Partially from an old post of mine...

"Let me preface this post with the fact that I am not a vet...

BUT, if your cat has ringworm, and is otherwise healthy, you may be
able to save yourself the $80 I just spent by foregoing a visit to the
vet and treating your cat with Program. It is an off-label use, but
one that my vet (feline specialist) recommended.

Peewee was prescribed Program at 44mg/lb
of body weight - one dose, followed by another dose 3 weeks to one
month later,
as insurance."

The 44mg/lb is standard dosage for ringworm.  This is a higher dosage
than the regular dosage for flea prevention.

The chewable tablets should be compounded into tuna or another favorite
treat and  fed when the kittens are hungry.

After the double dosage at 44mg/lb, then treat the kittens with the
usual dosage of Program for cats on a monthly basis as preventative.  I
have found that a monthly dose for 6 months will prevent further
occurances.  Be aware though that some cats seem to be carriers and
will reinfect themselves periodically over their lifespan - for these
cats Program should be part of their monthly routine.

Program works because it is a chitin inhibitor and thus, it stops the
growth of the fungus.  You can treat topically with Lotrimin gel (2 to
3 times daily) at the same time, but in order to effectively do so the
area needs to be shaved first, and the cats need to be kept from
licking off the gel. (Not easy.)

Give the Program a shot and see if you see improvement.  I started to
see hair regrowth within a week to two weeks after treatment.

Program is safe for use at 14 weeks, and can be purchased online from a
number of sites or by calling at 1 (800) pet-meds.

good luck,

-L.
sriddles@aol.com - 01 Aug 2005 07:43 GMT
idontm...@gmail.com wrote:
> Partially from an old post of mine...
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> vet and treating your cat with Program. It is an off-label use, but
> one that my vet (feline specialist) recommended.

Hey, that's interesting. I'm gonna ask my vet what he thinks about
this.

They don't use Fulvicin to treat ringworm anymore, do they? I recall a
21-day regime of Fulvicin pills + topical ointment once for ringworm.
Seems I remember hearing that Fulvicin was too hard on the liver and
its use was discontinued or something.

Sherry
Snittens - 01 Aug 2005 07:48 GMT
> idontm...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Partially from an old post of mine...
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Hey, that's interesting. I'm gonna ask my vet what he thinks about
> this.

When we had the ringworm outbreak at the shelter, I asked about Program.
Our vet completely dismissed it and said it was a "fad" a few years ago.  I
was like, can we at least try it?  But she didn't want to.  Another
volunteer said she had a friend who had success with Program, too.  Instead
we used that super expensive med and the dips.

-Kelly
-L. - 03 Aug 2005 03:40 GMT
> When we had the ringworm outbreak at the shelter, I asked about Program.
> Our vet completely dismissed it and said it was a "fad" a few years ago.  I
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> -Kelly

I think part of the problem is that there is more than one causative
agent for ringworm and Program works better on some rather than others
(but is still active on any fungus).  Also, initially, vets weren't
doing the high double dosage, for the 2-3 week initial treatment - they
were only using the flea dosage and that doesn't give the ringworm the
kick in the pants...er, mycelium it needs. ;)

-L.
Snittens - 03 Aug 2005 06:00 GMT
> I think part of the problem is that there is more than one causative
> agent for ringworm and Program works better on some rather than others
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> -L.

I do wish the vet was up for trying it though.  Those poor kitties had to be
in iso for so long, not to mention the sh.t we kept getting about how much
the meds cost, etc.

-Kelly
-L. - 03 Aug 2005 08:15 GMT
> I do wish the vet was up for trying it though.  Those poor kitties had to be
> in iso for so long, not to mention the sh.t we kept getting about how much
> the meds cost, etc.
>
> -Kelly

Yeah...traditional treatments suck and they really don't work all that
well.  We used to have the cutest Himmie kitten who came in for
ringworm baths every week - I felt so sorry for the poor little thing.
I don't know if he ever got cured but I suspect he was a chronic
carrier because we had a whole group of Himmies that were, from the
same breeders.  It was just sickening.

-L.
CatNipped - 03 Aug 2005 16:37 GMT
> > I do wish the vet was up for trying it though.  Those poor kitties had to be
> > in iso for so long, not to mention the sh.t we kept getting about how much
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>
> -L.

When we rescued Demi (at 6 weeks of age - she rode to DH's work in the
undercarriage of a co-workers truck), she had ringworm and we had to bathe
her *every day* with special shampoo.  It scared her so badly she would
urinate on herself.  I think that has contributed a *lot* to why she is so
shy and terrified of everything 7 years later.
-L. - 03 Aug 2005 03:36 GMT
> idontm...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Partially from an old post of mine...
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Seems I remember hearing that Fulvicin was too hard on the liver and
> its use was discontinued or something.

Not in cats.  I think it is still used in humans though.

-L.
A.Melon - 03 Aug 2005 08:51 GMT
> Not in cats.  I think it is still used in humans though.
>
> -L.

Lynette M. Wegrich (Glover)
8693 Iroquois Dr.
Tualatin, Oregon, 97062

Husband: William Glover
Son: Jonathan Glover
JJ - 02 Aug 2005 02:59 GMT
First, are you sure it is ringworm, and understand that I am not a
Veterinarian but an just a rescuer....if you are unsure about a
condition always see a Vet.

If you are absolutely sure it is ringoworm try this.......

Use the program, it will not harm cat and will assist in flea
prevention and there are deworing properties associated with Lufeneron.

Vacuum, Vacuum, Vacuum (change bag frequently).

Add good bacteria to cat's diet - acidopholus(sp?) - I use Bene bac
tube (easy to give and good for kitty's digestion).

Disinfect cats living quarter's with 1/30 bleach.

Do NOT bathe kitty in bleach - this can be harmful.
Get Lyme Dip (lym sulfur dip for animals) and use according to
directions (do not get this in cat's eye's or mouth) - use the Lyme Dip
according to directions - if you mix it too strong it will harm kitty's
skin (warning - there will an unpleasant sulfur like odor similiar to
that of a chemistry class).

Feed kittens the best quality food that you can afford.  When dealing
with ringworm I usually supplement the dry food with canned to insure
that cats are getting enough oils to insure good skin quality.

Give kittens access to sunlight, are kitties in a dark room, or is
there sunshine coming through the window?

Get a miconozole cream from your Veterinarian.

Griseofulvin is usually reserved as a treatment when other treatments
have failed because it is a risky therapy.  If this treatment is
recommended, ask the Veterinarian to explain the risks involved.

In my experience rescuing...ringworm occurs often with kittens...often
soon after a vaccination (the vaccine jolting the immune system) or
following antibiotic use.
JJ - 02 Aug 2005 03:01 GMT
One more thing Laurie, you can get a med for your ringworm.  Will help
you get yours under control fast (ask your regular Dr. for this).  Wish
you all the best.  Jen
JJ - 02 Aug 2005 03:01 GMT
One more thing Laurie, you can get a med for your ringworm.  Will help
you get yours under control fast (ask your regular Dr. for this).  Wish
you all the best.  Jen
JJ - 02 Aug 2005 03:01 GMT
One more thing Laurie, you can get a med for your ringworm.  Will help
you get yours under control fast (ask your regular Dr. for this).  Wish
you all the best.  Jen
Kalyahna - 02 Aug 2005 04:41 GMT
> I already got ringworm on my arm from one of them and I don't want to pass
> it back to them in a different spot from where they already have it, not
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> desperate to cure them, any and all advice will be gratefully received!
> Thanks!

Will the shelter borrow you some crates to keep the kittens in so they're
not all together all the time? Something big enough for a small litterbox,
food and water dishes, and the kitten to stretch out. The one I bought at
that size cost me $35 at Wal-Mart, but hopefully you can get them
temporarily from the shelter. If you can, reserve a specific towel for each
kitten so they can still get positive attention before and after all the
icky crap is done with.

As for yourself, use an anti fungal cream on your spot of ringworm several
times a day, and keep it bandaged or otherwise covered. If you're not
wearing the same clothes to, from, or at work as you wear while dealing with
the kittens, and you're keeping your own spot covered, don't be too
concerned about passing it along at work. If you can, wash the kitten
clothes separately from your every day and work clothes to prevent
cross-contamination.
 
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