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Neutering and its effects

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Rachel - 27 Sep 2003 12:20 GMT
Hi, I had my five month old kitten neutered last Tuesday, everything went
great and he has recovered extremely well from his "ordeal". My question is
how long is it usually before you might see a difference in the cats
personality? I think there are some changes already such as he doesn't seem
to do the mock spraying thing (he hadn't started spraying but would back up
and pretend to) as much, also I think he seems a little calmer. I am hoping
that he becomes a little more affectionate with time as he matures coupled
with the neutering.

Thanks in advance.

Rachel
PawsForThought - 27 Sep 2003 13:19 GMT
>From: "Rachel" nospam@nospam.com

>My question is
>how long is it usually before you might see a difference in the cats
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>that he becomes a little more affectionate with time as he matures coupled
>with the neutering.

My boy was neutered at 5 1/2 months.  I honestly don't recall seeing a
noticeable personality change in him.  He's now 3 1/2 years old and he's still
extremely active.  He has become a lap cat though.  I think it's supposed to
take a few weeks until their hormones level out, so to speak.  Both of my cats
shake their tails but have never sprayed.

Lauren
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Philip ? - 27 Sep 2003 16:28 GMT
In news:20030927081939.13107.00000230@mb-m28.aol.com,
PawsForThought <darnit7@aol.comnolitter> being of bellicose mind
posted:
> > From: "Rachel" nospam@nospam.com
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Lauren

Ditto.   With "Rusty" (abandoned tabby), I waited until he first
started that unmistakable yowling to get outside and mate.  That was
at age 8-9 months.  After his "ordeal" he kept looking at me oddly
for a couple of months.  New behavior.  He got over it and has been a
great house cat ever since.  But he does do the stressed tail shaking
thing once in a while though no urine has ever been expressed.  No
spraying in the house ever with him in 13 1/2 yrs.  Urinating is just
a function... done in the litter box.
--

  ~~Philip

"Never let school interfere
 with your education - Mark Twain"
MaryL - 27 Sep 2003 14:42 GMT
> Hi, I had my five month old kitten neutered last Tuesday, everything went
> great and he has recovered extremely well from his "ordeal". My question is
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Rachel

I never noticed any personality change at all after my cats were spayed or
neutered.  As you said, your cat may become more affectionate with time --
but this is not something to expect immediately, and it it will vary greatly
with different cats.  What you describe as "mock spraying" may be what many
call "the happy shake."  If so, your cat is not trying to spray.  That, too,
varies with different cats.

MaryL
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~*SooZy*~ - 27 Sep 2003 17:05 GMT
> > Hi, I had my five month old kitten neutered last Tuesday, everything went
> > great and he has recovered extremely well from his "ordeal". My question
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> MaryL

me neither in any of mine, But I think if you had cat used for stud and then
you had him neutered you would notice the change in him, because he would be
desperate for a female anymore so would become calmer.
Philip ? - 27 Sep 2003 17:39 GMT
In news:bl4cg2$jlo$1@sparta.btinternet.com,
~*SooZy*~ <soozyqureshi@cathotmail.com> being of bellicose mind
posted:

> > > Hi, I had my five month old kitten neutered last Tuesday,
> > > everything went great and he has recovered extremely well from
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> him, because he would be desperate for a female anymore so would
> become calmer.

Hahahhaha.  Not so with a seal point Siamese I had long ago.  Had him
neutered at 3yrs (don't ask why.... wife thing) and the only thing
that changed was his "focus"    Anything that was hairy became the
object of his affections. This included blankets with fringe on the
ends, parkas with furry collars, even throw pillows with
fringe/tassels.  It got pretty funny for awhile there!  Then he'd get
an erection and go to licking himself in front of guests.  The wife
really had a problem with this behavior.  LOL
--

  ~~Philip

"Never let school interfere
 with your education - Mark Twain"
~*SooZy*~ - 27 Sep 2003 22:58 GMT
> In news:bl4cg2$jlo$1@sparta.btinternet.com,
> ~*SooZy*~ <soozyqureshi@cathotmail.com> being of bellicose mind
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>
>    ~~Philip

awww bless him LOL
MaryL - 27 Sep 2003 17:49 GMT
> > > Hi, I had my five month old kitten neutered last Tuesday, everything
> went
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> you had him neutered you would notice the change in him, because he would be
> desperate for a female anymore so would become calmer.

That is quite possible.  I didn't think of that because all of mine were
neutered at a few months of age.  All have been wonderfully affectionate
cats.

MaryL
~*SooZy*~ - 27 Sep 2003 23:00 GMT
> > > > Hi, I had my five month old kitten neutered last Tuesday, everything
> > went
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> MaryL

well I am only guessing :-) I know getting dogs neutered can calm them down,
not sure with cats though!
Philip ? - 27 Sep 2003 16:28 GMT
> Hi, I had my five month old kitten neutered last Tuesday,
> everything went great and he has recovered extremely well from his
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Rachel

 What's a mock?
--

  ~~Philip

"Never let school interfere
 with your education - Mark Twain"
Rachel - 27 Sep 2003 17:36 GMT
>> Hi, I had my five month old kitten neutered last Tuesday,
>> everything went great and he has recovered extremely well from his
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>   What's a mock?

It can mean several things from contempt and ridicule to imitation or
practice purposes. I was meaning it in an imitation kind of way.
~*SooZy*~ - 27 Sep 2003 17:43 GMT
> > Hi, I had my five month old kitten neutered last Tuesday,
> > everything went great and he has recovered extremely well from his
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>    ~~Philip
could it be standing stamping his feet, bottom up against the wall, tail
shaking with no spray coming out ;-)
Philip ? - 28 Sep 2003 04:36 GMT
In news:bl4emt$sfj$1@hercules.btinternet.com,
~*SooZy*~ <soozyqureshi@cathotmail.com> being of bellicose mind
posted:
> > > Hi, I had my five month old kitten neutered last Tuesday,
> > > everything went great and he has recovered extremely well from
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> could it be standing stamping his feet, bottom up against the
> wall, tail shaking with no spray coming out ;-)

I was joking when I asked what a "mock" was.

Rusty does that arched back, rubbing a leg or furniture, and then
stick his tail straight up and pretend he's about to spray ... all
with a silly smirk on his puss.
--

  ~~Philip

"Never let school interfere
 with your education - Mark Twain"
Sandra Loosemore - 27 Sep 2003 17:59 GMT
> Hi, I had my five month old kitten neutered last Tuesday, everything went
> great and he has recovered extremely well from his "ordeal". My question is
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> that he becomes a little more affectionate with time as he matures coupled
> with the neutering.

When I had my guy Nerf "fixed" (he was also about 5 months), I didn't
really notice any change in his personality or behavior towards me,
but what I did see was an immediate shift in his relationship with my
older cat Slinky (a spayed female).  Pre-neutering, Nerf was obviously
trying to take over as top cat in my household, and Slinky was acting
rather intimidated by him.  But as soon as I brought Nerf home from
the vet after being neutered, I noticed that Slinky started
re-asserting herself again and letting Nerf know that she was still
the #1 cat.

-Sandra
Elizabeth Blake - 27 Sep 2003 18:16 GMT
> Hi, I had my five month old kitten neutered last Tuesday, everything went
> great and he has recovered extremely well from his "ordeal". My question is
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> that he becomes a little more affectionate with time as he matures coupled
> with the neutering.

My cat Otto was neutered between 6-7 months.  I found him on the street, so
I wasn't sure of his exact age.  At the first vet visit she guessed him to
be around 6 months old, and he was neutered a few weeks later.  He was super
affectionate when I found him and he stayed that way after the operation.
His personality didn't seem to change at all.  He's now 4 years old, and he
does like to jump on Tiger, who is a 13 year old spayed female.  To me it
looks sexual - he jumps on her, straddling her back, and bites her neck.
Tiger does not appreciate this and usually wriggles out from under him in a
matter of seconds.  I never noticed him doing that before he was neutered,
but in those first few weeks Tiger pretty much hid anyway.

Liz
m. L. Briggs - 27 Sep 2003 21:41 GMT
>> Hi, I had my five month old kitten neutered last Tuesday, everything went
>> great and he has recovered extremely well from his "ordeal". My question
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
>Liz

He still has the urge, but not the ability.
Priscilla Ballou - 27 Sep 2003 22:19 GMT
> >My cat Otto was neutered between 6-7 months.  I found him on the street, so
> >I wasn't sure of his exact age.  At the first vet visit she guessed him to
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> >
> He still has the urge, but not the ability.

That's also a dominance posture.  Sebbie does it to Benjie all the time.

Priscilla
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Ollie Burger - 27 Sep 2003 23:35 GMT
> > Hi, I had my five month old kitten neutered last Tuesday, everything went
> > great and he has recovered extremely well from his "ordeal". My question
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Liz

I've also noticed this 'mounting' behavior between
neutered males as well... since "gay cat" is likely
not the answer, I assumed this behavior to be
simply a cat's way of expressing dominance.

In regards to personality changes, I have a 4 yr old
longhair golden tabby male named Flippy who was
the most paranoid cat I have ever known. As a
kitten he'd avoid his litter-mates, cower in a corner,
or scuttle into a hiding place with even the slightest
provocation. He was 2 yrs old before he was
neutered and had his shots (only after the Vet gave
me a tranquilizer to give to him).

After his ordeal, he became quite affectionate and
friendly -- he's still a little bit skitterish though, but
nothing like before.

OB
Sandra Loosemore - 28 Sep 2003 00:43 GMT
> I've also noticed this 'mounting' behavior between
> neutered males as well... since "gay cat" is likely
> not the answer, I assumed this behavior to be
> simply a cat's way of expressing dominance.

My guy Nerf tries to do this to Slinky once in a while, but on the
rare occasions when he actually manages to get her pinned down, he
seems to think that the natural thing to do is just give her ears a
thorough washing!  Which Slinky utterly hates, of course.  :-P

-Sandra
Priscilla Ballou - 28 Sep 2003 00:58 GMT
> > I've also noticed this 'mounting' behavior between
> > neutered males as well... since "gay cat" is likely
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> seems to think that the natural thing to do is just give her ears a
> thorough washing!  Which Slinky utterly hates, of course.  :-P

With my cats, a friendly ear-washing often turns into a game of "bite
your ear" and a fun tussle/chase.

BTW, there are numerous species in which one can observe homosexual
behavior.  I don't know if cats are among them.  Dominance mounting is
not, however, sexual except in its symbolism.

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Ollie Burger - 28 Sep 2003 21:39 GMT
> > I've also noticed this 'mounting' behavior between
> > neutered males as well... since "gay cat" is likely
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> -Sandra

That's interesting... I have been under the
impression that all cats like to have their
ears/face washed... with 10 cats, that's a
normal event around here, of course... :)

OB
Ollie Burger - 28 Sep 2003 21:40 GMT
> > I've also noticed this 'mounting' behavior between
> > neutered males as well... since "gay cat" is likely
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> -Sandra

That's interesting... I have been under the
impression that all cats like to have their
ears/face washed... with 10 cats, that's a
normal event around here, of course... :)

OB
Ollie Burger - 28 Sep 2003 21:41 GMT
> > I've also noticed this 'mounting' behavior between
> > neutered males as well... since "gay cat" is likely
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> -Sandra

That's interesting... I have been under the
impression that all cats like to have their
ears/face washed... with 10 cats, that's a
normal event around here, of course... :)

OB
Philip ? - 28 Sep 2003 04:36 GMT
> > My cat Otto was neutered between 6-7 months.  I found him on the
> > street, so I wasn't sure of his exact age.  At the first vet
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>snip<
>OB

That's all the world needs now is fudge packing felines.

--

  ~~Philip

"Never let school interfere
 with your education - Mark Twain"
William Hamblen - 28 Sep 2003 02:59 GMT
> Hi, I had my five month old kitten neutered last Tuesday, everything went
> great and he has recovered extremely well from his "ordeal". My question is
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> that he becomes a little more affectionate with time as he matures coupled
> with the neutering.

I think neutering doesn't affect personality that much.  I've had intact
toms that were affectionate and castrated toms that were aloof.  The
main thing is that they don't roam and fight as much if they are indoor/
outdoor cats or spray as much if they are indoor cats.  The toms I've had
that had free access to the outdoors never sprayed in the house, intact
or not.  The urine from a castrated tom doesn't smell as bad as that
from an intact tom, so even when they do spray it isn't quite as awful.

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