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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / July 2005Conan Is Home :)
As promised, a final update to let everyone who is interested know that Conan (now "Dylan" which we thought a more gentle name) has indeed been homed with wonderful cat-loving humans and a feline friend. He is a loving and lovable kitty lapping up all of the attention and affection he is getting. To those who had the courage to post and/or e-mail their continued support and who offered to help in so many ways, thank you. You continued to trust that we were doing everything right to ensure a great life for this cat. That mattered to us. In contrast, the degree of hostility displayed by others in this forum was, to put it mildly, astonishing. It is difficult to understand how the feeling of betrayal that some of you voiced could get confused with what truly mattered - this cat's rescue and well-being. One would have thought that knowing he was safe and very well cared for would have been cause for relief and happiness rather than a launching pad for the malicious glee exhibited in post after post. It became very clear that this cat's best interests had long stopped being the priority for several of you who had been involved in "planning" his rescue. As to the homes you declared as good options. We disagree. In my world, doing harm to an animal is never acceptable as a source of humour or in order to provoke others, regardless of the player/s. Defensiveness related to legitimate queries is also not a good way to begin a plea for adopting an animal. And contrary to yet another misinterpretation posted ad nauseam, it was never simply about "square footage". Cats can be successfully homed in small, but feline-friendly spaces. I have done it. Specific configuration, stimulating environment, outdoor-space safety, and vertical space are just some of the relevant variables to be considered. Decisions made in haste because they are convenient are rarely good ones and when defenceless animals are involved, it would be inexcusable to not be cautious. The relentless net sleuthing, the negative spins, the threats, and the outrageous theories you came up with would be laughable if a cat's future had not been at stake. So many of you not only conveniently chose to "overlook" things that were posted but, in effect, fuelled the fire because "the right party" was behind them. My principles are not dependent on who is or is not involved. I, and those who made Dylan's rescue happen, know he was happy, safe, and very well-cared for every step of the way. Ultimately, that is all that truly matters. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "cmtowle" <cmtowle@shaw.ca> >As promised, a final update to let everyone who is interested know that >Conan (now "Dylan" which we thought a more gentle name) has indeed been >homed with wonderful cat-loving humans and a feline friend. He is a loving >and lovable kitty lapping up all of the attention and affection he is >getting. Thanks for the update, many people here were quite concerned. >To those who had the courage to post and/or e-mail their continued support >and who offered to help in so many ways, thank you. You continued to trust [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >very well-cared for every step of the way. Ultimately, that is all that >truly matters. On behalf of myself, and probably many others here.... GO f.ck YOURSELF!!!! > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > On behalf of myself, and probably many others here.... > GO f.ck YOURSELF!!!! Can you even begin to believe this dim-witted, sanctimonious bitch? I have to wonder what life is like when it is lived with one's head lodged so far up one's a.s. Speculation? Everything I said was true, and both Dan and Monica verified it. They clearly did not want us to know that this poor cat had been in a cage for over two weeks by the time Dan got off his a.s and got him out, but it was the truth. Had Dan honored his promise to us, this cat would have been in a wonderful home two weeks earlier. That is the difference Monica Towel made in his life. And, of course, she revealed Dan Mahoney as the lying, manipulative and untrustworthy excuse for a cat-lover that he really is. >Can you even begin to believe this dim-witted, sanctimonious bitch? >I have to wonder what life is like when it is lived with one's head lodged >so far up one's a.s. I don't know. Is she intentionally laying it on thick? It seems like every post is more ridiculous. She's either a grandiose nit-wit or a very good act. Charlie > >Can you even begin to believe this dim-witted, sanctimonious bitch? > >I have to wonder what life is like when it is lived with one's head lodged [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > every post is more ridiculous. She's either a grandiose nit-wit or a > very good act. Charlie. Honestly, your natural inclination toward kindness is highly underrated. :) She is slow. Thick. Shallow. Simple-minded. Self-aggrandizing and worst of all--completely humorless. Monica Towles has as about as great a sense of humor as Dan Mahoney has a sense of loyalty. Neither has any sense of proportion or perspective. Monica's entire agenda was that you did not get the cat. All that money, all those devastating hits to her reputation, just to achieve that--when the fact is, you stepped forward because nobody else would, and told us that if we could find a local home to send him there. Stupid people kill me. And they would really like to, too! Heh. Do I believe Conan/Dylan/Sunny is better off now than he would have been with you, Meghan, or Greg? Hell no. I have no reason to. But he is better off than he was at the kill shelter. And Monica Towle and Dan Mahoney have put out considerable effort and expense just to look like a.ses. All in all, it's a victory for the good guys. >> >Can you even begin to believe this dim-witted, sanctimonious bitch? >> >I have to wonder what life is like when it is lived with one's head [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >nobody else would, and told us that if we could find a local >home to send him there. Doubts about my character got this ball rolling, but Dan and Monica decided to turn a clubby interest into their own private secret, which is bound to infuriate any group of people. Did they not anticipate that? How could they not? They are so full of sh.t it is impossible to know what they are really thinking. As for me, I spent years now spewing tasteless, inflammatory crap into various newsgroups, purely to entertain myself by enraging people with no sense of humor. I can't expect everyone to rally around my flag and assume the best about me, and I accept that reality without protest. These people are really lame, and now they can live in lamers' hell in these newsgroups. We'll keep the tongs nice and hot. Charlie snip Mary's tongue. > Doubts about my character got this ball rolling, but Dan and Monica > decided to turn a clubby interest into their own private secret, which [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Charlie Actually, they are smart like foxes. But you have aligned with Bloody Mary. Thought you were smarter than that unless .... the underlying purpose of aligning with B.M. is to continue your inflammatory history. >> I don't know. Is she intentionally laying it on thick? It seems like >> every post is more ridiculous. She's either a grandiose nit-wit or a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > She is slow. Thick. Shallow. Simple-minded. Self-aggrandizing > and worst of all--completely humorless. snip Gee! Bloody Mary just described herself! And this dark self decription is by no means complete. > She is slow. Thick. Shallow. Thick *and* shallow - sounds a bit like an enormous dwarf... S. > > She is slow. Thick. Shallow. > > Thick *and* shallow - sounds a bit like an enormous dwarf... Sorry. I meant "thick-headed" and shallow. Now she sounds like a paper doll with a rock for a head. That's about right. :) > Monica's entire agenda was that you did not get the cat. All that > money, all those devastating hits to her reputation, just to > achieve that--when the fact is, you stepped forward because > nobody else would, and told us that if we could find a local > home to send him there. No, Monica's entire agenda was to be sure that the cat was placed into an *appropriate* home. That might be hard for you to understand, but some people really do care about what is best for cats. > > Monica's entire agenda was that you did not get the cat. All that > > money, all those devastating hits to her reputation, just to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > *appropriate* home. That might be hard for you to understand, but some > people really do care about what is best for cats. Now, Dan, why on earth would you think I don't care about what is best for cats? And what on earth have I done to you except send you money and take you up on your offer to rescue Conan from the shelter? I am still waiting for you to explain why you did what you did. > > Monica's entire agenda was that you did not get the cat. All that > > money, all those devastating hits to her reputation, just to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > *appropriate* home. That might be hard for you to understand, but some > people really do care about what is best for cats. Why not take this opportunity to explain what happened between the time you promised us you would pick him up, then lied to us about picking him up? I had always seen you as an upright guy. Do you actually believe that I would have made threatening calls to you when you were doing me a favor for which I had never stopped expressing my deep gratitude? Honestly, Dan, I just want to understand. I trusted you, as did Tracy, Rhonda, and Charlie. And I have given you no reason to suggest that I do not care about cats, particularly about Conan/Dylan in particular. I have merely been trying to get you to explain your actions. I think everyone, including me, actually wants you to have had good reasons to betray us, or to think that you had. Because not one of us did a thing but spend time and effort trying to save that cat. Just tell the truth--people just want to understand. >> > Monica's entire agenda was that you did not get the cat. All that >> > money, all those devastating hits to her reputation, just to [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > thing but spend time and effort trying to save that cat. Just > tell the truth--people just want to understand. Mary, guaranteed you will not like the answer. > >> > Monica's entire agenda was that you did not get the cat. All that > >> > money, all those devastating hits to her reputation, just to [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Mary, guaranteed you will not like the answer. Shut the f.ck up, you old drag > Why not take this opportunity to explain what happened between > the time you promised us you would pick him up, then lied to > us about picking him up? I had always seen you as an upright > guy. Do you actually believe that I would have made threatening > calls to you when you were doing me a favor for which I had > never stopped expressing my deep gratitude? And why would I do that? So you can warp my words again? If you will reread my previous posts you'll see that I never claimed you made threatening calls. I said that I had received threatening calls, and I never identified who they were from. In fact, I don't know who they were from, and I frankly don't want to know. All I need to know is that it was a sick and twisted individual. > Honestly, Dan, I just want to understand. I trusted you, as did Tracy, > Rhonda, and Charlie. And I have given you no reason to suggest that I do [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > but spend time and effort trying to save that cat. Just tell the > truth--people just want to understand. No, I don't think they do. I think they *want* to get enraged and they *want* to act like flaming a.sholes. Many of the people who have posting on this topic must be mentally deranged to post the crap they do. You are a prime example - replying to somebody's posts and adding your comments as if they were sent by the original poster? That's underhanded, deceitful, and inexcusable. The fact of the matter is that I will never apologize for anything I have to do to insure the safety of myself, my family, or my animals. If I have to tell a minor untruth to get some twisted psycho off my a.s and away from my loved ones, then you better believe that's exactly what I'm going to do. When someone makes physical threats against me, I take it seriously. Even when it's done over Usenet or by some twisted coward who hides behind anonymous phone calls. Anyway, that being said, and making the (perhaps erroneous) assumption that at last one reader of this groups is really interested in what has been happening with Conan/Dylan (Dylan is really a much better name - he's definitely not a "Conan"), here it is: I left for the shelter to get the cat. While on the freeway I got a call from some twisted psycho sack of s**t who said offered up some threats if I followed through on picking up the cat. The only people who knew when I was going to be on the road to the shelter were a small group I had been exchanging e-mail with. Whether the call came from someone in that list or just someone acquainted with someone on that list is impossible to determine. Either way, it meant that I wasn't going to have anything to do with anyone in that e-mail group. I knew of other people interested in finding Conan a good home, so I picked him up and worked with them to find the cat a good home. Not a "good enough" home, but a good home. He had to spend about a week in a boarding kennel, the rest of the time he was at my house with my cats. During the time he was in the kennel I made about every-other-day trips out to visit and play with him, and the staff allowed him out of his enclosure every day. He was not in a steel cage, he was in a nicely-appointed enclosure with lots of room and a comfortable place to sleep. During that time we looked into several "good enough" homes, but held out for something really appropriate. We have now found that. There, now, is the complete story of Conan/Dylan. If you really and truly care about cats and if your only concern through this whole episode was only Conan's well-being, then let the issue drop. Conan was always well cared for, he did not have to endure long days in stell cages, and he is in a nice, comfortable house. That is, I believe, the goal that everybody had been spouting. Since that goal has been realized, you no longer have any reason to spew your venom, crosspost like an idiot, and make harrassing posts. Dan >>Why not take this opportunity to explain what happened between >>the time you promised us you would pick him up, then lied to [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > Dan Finally. The truth. That is what we wanted. You could have saved many people lots of grief if you had spoken up sooner.  SignatureJean B. > >>Why not take this opportunity to explain what happened between > >>the time you promised us you would pick him up, then lied to [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > Finally. The truth. That is what we wanted. You could have > saved many people lots of grief if you had spoken up sooner. Amen. > >>Why not take this opportunity to explain what happened between > >>the time you promised us you would pick him up, then lied to [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > -- > Jean B. Hi Jean B. No, this is not the truth. Dylan is with Dan. This is why all the lies. Who would lie about a kennel. Who would like about a decent home. No one would, but Dan sho layed out the lies. It's cause he's got the cat. > > Why not take this opportunity to explain what happened between > > the time you promised us you would pick him up, then lied to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > were from, and I frankly don't want to know. All I need to know is that > it was a sick and twisted individual. Okay, but what does this have to do with your breaking your promise to us? And if you did not think it was me, then how are the threatening calls any explanation for why you purposely and viciously led us to believe you were picking him up for us, then lied and said you never picked him up at all? If you are not implying that I had something to do with the alleged threatening calls, then we are back at square one. We had an agreement, and you lied to all of us. The question is, why? That is what I want to know. It cannot be because you thought the cat was going to Charlie. You knew I was waiting for Greg to email me back about Conan, and you fully expected to take Conan to San Diego. So why did you lead us to believe you would do this, and then lie to us? > > Honestly, Dan, I just want to understand. I trusted you, as did Tracy, > > Rhonda, and Charlie. And I have given you no reason to suggest that I do [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > if they were sent by the original poster? That's underhanded, deceitful, > and inexcusable. It was a joke, and totally transparent at that. And, it smoked you right out, which is what I wanted to do. All I want is a believable explanation for what you put me, Tracy, Rhonda and Dan--along with others--through over what should have been a simple and straightforward rescue. > The fact of the matter is that I will never apologize for anything I have > to do to insure the safety of myself, my family, or my animals. Okay. So somehow you felt you would be endangered if you kept your promise to us? This does not follow at all. We were all singing your praises. This makes no sense, Dan. And, in fact, I am not asking you for an apology. I am asking you for an explanation for why you volunteered your help, then needlessly lied to us all. You have not addressed that. >If I have > to tell a minor untruth to get some twisted psycho off my a.s and away > from my loved ones, then you better believe that's exactly what I'm going > to do. Okay--who is the psycho? Are you saying that someone called you to tell you that if you helped us rescue Conan/Dylan that they would hurt you or your family? Is this what you are saying? And if it is, why wouldn't you be able to email us and say, "Listen, folks, I would love to be able to help you, but I just got this call, and now I am afraid to." That is what any normal person would have done. Why didn't you do that, if that is really what happened? >When someone makes physical threats against me, I take it > seriously. Even when it's done over Usenet or by some twisted coward who > hides behind anonymous phone calls. Tell me this: what was the threat that was made that let you know that it was okay to go and get Conan and put him in a cage for weeks, rather than get him for us and take him to a wonderful home in a matter of days? How did you know from these alleged "threatening calls" that it was okay for you to get the cat for Monica but not for the four people you had promised to? And doesn't this point more toward Monica or someone else being the person who threatened you? > Anyway, that being said, and making the (perhaps erroneous) assumption > that at last one reader of this groups is really interested in what has [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > someone on that list is impossible to determine. Either way, it meant that > I wasn't going to have anything to do with anyone in that e-mail group. So you are saying that the only people associated with the cat groups to whom you gave your cell phone is myself, Tracy, Rhonda, and Charlie? Because this is the only way that your assumption might make sense. > I knew of other people interested in finding Conan a good home, so I > picked him up and worked with them to find the cat a good home. Not a > "good enough" home, but a good home. He had to spend about a week in a > boarding kennel, the rest of the time he was at my house with my cats. I see. All you had to do was tell us this. How on earth would you have ever come to believe that any of us who wanted you to save Conan would threaten you? This just makes no sense to me. > During the time he was in the kennel I made about every-other-day trips > out to visit and play with him, and the staff allowed him out of his [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > any reason to spew your venom, crosspost like an idiot, and make > harrassing posts. Well, yes. I will indeed let it drop. But I want you to put yourself in our places. If you had care enough to put all this thought into helping this cat, and had not done anything wrong at all, just to be betrayed as you betrayed us with no explanation--you would at least want an explanation. You handled this thing very badly--but I am left with the impression that I was not wrong to trust you. I was wrong to trust you to draw the right conclusions regarding any threatening calls you may have received. It is ludicrous that you blamed us, the very people who were relying upon your help. That said, if stupidity were illegal, the already overcrowded prisons would indeed be in trouble. Thank you, Dan, for finally coming clean. I am sorry you had to go through this. In the future, use your head. You had no reason to believe that any one of Conan/Dylan's well wishers would hurt you. And above all, be honest. There is rarely a reason for a good person to lie. And I do think you are a good person. > Okay, but what does this have to do with your breaking your promise > to us? And if you did not think it was me, then how are the threatening [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > to San Diego. So why did you lead us to believe you would do this, > and then lie to us? Sorry, I've explained once, in what I believe is quite adequate detail. If you can't understand what happened from what I wrote, then no amount of further explanation is going to help you puzzle it out. > It was a joke, and totally transparent at that. And, it smoked you right > out, which is what I wanted to do. All I want is a believable > explanation for what you put me, Tracy, Rhonda and Dan--along with > others--through over what should have been a simple and straightforward > rescue. A joke- yeah, right. I'm still compiling a complete record of your messages to and about me, in case they should become needed. I don't find threats funny, as I should have made VERY CLEAR by now! > Okay. So somehow you felt you would be endangered if you kept your > promise to us? This does not follow at all. We were all singing your > praises. This makes no sense, Dan. And, in fact, I am not asking you for > an apology. I am asking you for an explanation for why you volunteered > your help, then needlessly lied to us all. You have not addressed that. Damn it, woman, I have so! You're just too damned dense to understand it, apparently. I volunteered because I wanted to help a cat in trouble, and that's exactly what I did. I just didn't do it with you or your associates. So what's the problem? Conan got saved, so why are your knickers twisted now? > Okay--who is the psycho? Are you saying that someone called you to tell > you that if you helped us rescue Conan/Dylan that they would hurt you or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > what any normal person would have done. Why didn't you do that, if that > is really what happened? Since you have no idea what was said, your suppositions mean nothing. > Tell me this: what was the threat that was made that let you know that > it was okay to go and get Conan and put him in a cage for weeks, rather [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > you had promised to? And doesn't this point more toward Monica or > someone else being the person who threatened you? The nature of the thrat is none of your business. And Conan was not in a cage for weeks. I've said that clearly and plainly a bunch of times, but you still seem incapable of grasping that simple concept. And no, Monica didn't threaten me because she didn't have my cell number. > So you are saying that the only people associated with the cat groups to > whom you gave your cell phone is myself, Tracy, Rhonda, and Charlie? > Because this is the only way that your assumption might make sense. That is EXACTLY what I am saying! > I see. All you had to do was tell us this. How on earth would you have > ever come to believe that any of us who wanted you to save Conan would > threaten you? This just makes no sense to me. I'm not even going to answer this. I've answered it so many times before that I've grown tired of repeating myself. Would anybody else try to give it a try? > Well, yes. I will indeed let it drop. But I want you to put yourself in > our places. If you had care enough to put all this thought into helping [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > all, be honest. There is rarely a reason for a good person to lie. And I > do think you are a good person. And please use your head as well. What could have possibly lead you to believe that spewing the venom you've been dispensing so freely recently could in any way be justified? You are either a hateful woman or an immature one. > > So you are saying that the only people associated with the cat groups to > > whom you gave your cell phone is myself, Tracy, Rhonda, and Charlie? > > Because this is the only way that your assumption might make sense. > > That is EXACTLY what I am saying! Are you sure? Because this is a very serious allegation. Are you saying that you have never given your cell number to anyone but us? Think Dan. I have a feeling that this cannot be true. In fact, I imagine that anyone with the time and inclination to Google anecdotes will find proof that this is not true. I think you are forgetting someone to whom you gave your cell number. If you recall, I asked your permission before I gave it to anyone. And I did not give it to anyone I did not tell you I was going to give it to. > > I see. All you had to do was tell us this. How on earth would you have > > ever come to believe that any of us who wanted you to save Conan would [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > could in any way be justified? You are either a hateful woman or an > immature one. Or just an effective one. I got my explanation--which is something you owed me, and all of the people who trusted you, and to whom you lied merely out of cowardice. Whoever called you was no friend of mine, or Tracy's or Rhonda's or Dan's. And they had the exact effect on you that they wanted to. They frightened you. It certainly takes a sick person to do that. The mistake you made was deciding it was one of us. THINK about it. It makes no sense. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "Mary" <marys@catlover.com> >Or just an effective one. I got my explanation--which is something you owed >me, and all of the people who trusted you, and to whom you lied merely [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >do that. The mistake you made was deciding it was one of us. THINK >about it. It makes no sense. The more I read of Dan's explanation, the more I keep thinking about a very old joke: A guy's sitting in a bar talking to the girl next to him..... Guy: Would you f.ck a man for a million dollars? Girl: (thinks for a second) A million bucks? Yea, sure, I'd f.ck a guy for a million dollars. Guy: Will you f.ck me for 5 dollars? Girl: (indignant) OF COURSE NOT!!! What do you think I am?? A WHORE?? Guy: We've already determined that. Now we're just negotiating! Mary wrote: >> So you are saying that the only people associated with the cat groups to >> whom you gave your cell phone is myself, Tracy, Rhonda, and Charlie? >> ... Dan replied: > That is EXACTLY what I am saying! Dan, I hope you saved that threatening message on your cell phone. I imagine someone never thought of that when he or she made that call. Maybe that someone is wondering if you have it or not. I hope this whole thing ends without additional nastiness, but if it continues, that recording could be useful. And, thank you for letting us all know what happened and that Dylan is doing fine. Annie > Mary wrote: >> So you are saying that the only people associated with the > cat groups to [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > And, thank you for letting us all know what happened and that Dylan is doing > fine. Dan says it was a male. So he has always known it was not me. >> Mary wrote: >> So you are saying that the only people associated with the >> cat groups to [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Dan says it was a male. So he has always known it was not me. How can we be sure? Hmmm? You have the vocabulary of a sailor. "Dan M" crosspost like an idiot, and make > harrassing posts. > > Dan You Big Bald Pussy! You still don't have the guts to tell the truth! I GUARANFUCKINTEE YOU NEVER GOT ONE HARRASING CALL, NOT ONE!!! its a mutherfuckin lie and you know it! Big pussy a.s! Scared to tell the truth because your ASHAMED! Your ashamed because you did shitty! You shoulda fuckin known fuckin better AT THIS POINT? THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE JUST REMEMBER THIS, THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE. > There, now, is the complete story of Conan/Dylan. If you really and truly > care about cats and if your only concern through this whole episode was [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > any reason to spew your venom, crosspost like an idiot, and make > harrassing posts. That's very interesting. I'm glad you posted this because I, for one, really wondered what happened that day. You always seemed like a nice guy on rpca and it didn't make sense. I'm glad Dylan is in a good home and that he spent part of his transition time at your house rather than caged. I am sure, however, that it was no one in Mary's "group" who threatened you. It was probably the same person who posted that they had called the shelter on that Monday. It was someone posting through Cat KB, I think. It was unfortunate that there were so many misunderstandings/hurt feelings along the way. I am sure everyone is happy that Conan is safe and in his own home now. You, no doubt, made the decision that you felt was necessary but it is understandable that others did not feel the same way and had thought you were all working together. Mary has said that all she wanted was an explanation and you have provided it so that is good of you and, hopefully, the Conan/Dylan threads can come to an end soon. Candace > Anyway, that being said, and making the (perhaps erroneous) assumption > that at last one reader of this groups is really interested in what has [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > any reason to spew your venom, crosspost like an idiot, and make > harrassing posts. Thank you, Dan. I did, actually, want to know what happened with Dylan and appreciate the summary of why you changed your mind at the last minute. Makes perfect sense to me, actually. Take care, b >cat. While on the freeway I got a call from some twisted psycho sack of >s**t who said offered up some threats if I followed through on picking up >the cat. Male or female caller? I've been curious about this for a while and I notice that no one ever says if it was a male or female. Also, people at the shelter knew about the situation and also people on Usenet who read the thread could have called. It's seriously easy to find someone's info online, it didn't have to just be the people in the email list. >There, now, is the complete story of Conan/Dylan. If you really and truly >care about cats and if your only concern through this whole episode was >only Conan's well-being, then let the issue drop. The two things are not mutually exclusive. I have no beef with you, but people can love cats *and* have their opinions about how Conan was handled. Stacia >While on the freeway I got a call from some twisted psycho sack of >s**t who said offered up some threats if I followed through on picking up >the cat. The only people who knew when I was going to be on the road to >the shelter were a small group I had been exchanging e-mail with. Whether >the call came from someone in that list or just someone acquainted with >someone on that list is impossible to determine. The broad inference here is that someone on the list -- Rhonda, Tracy, Mary or myself -- made this supposed phone call. Was it a male voice, Dan? Do you think I called you when you were on your way to the cat shelter, to rattle your cage and stir the sh.t? Did you contact the police, by the way? I assume you must have if you felt so seriously threatened. Undoubtedly you would have gone in and spoken to a detective, and given him details of what happened. If you are concerned that I might be the anonymous "psycho" who called you, why don't you post the phone number of the police dept. you contacted as well as the name of the detective who took your complaint. You can post it in the group -- nobody is going to harrass the police dept. I will be happy to call the detective and address any questions he might have about who I am, what my story is, why I might have posted this or that on Usenet, etc. etc. etc. I have been threatened myself because of my Usenet activities, but this is the first time anyone has suggested that I might be the source of a threat. Charlie > >While on the freeway I got a call from some twisted psycho sack of > >s**t who said offered up some threats if I followed through on picking up [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Charlie Charlie, check this out, > >While on the freeway I got a call from some twisted psycho sack of > >s**t who said offered up some threats if I followed through on picking up > >the cat. So what does he do? He picks up the cat. Interesting. So, what does the threat have to do with anything? It's just more smoke. Dan was not threatened. First it was 3 car accident Then it was his Mom is dying of unknown disease. If his Mom is dying, then from the bottom of my heart I am sorry! I really am. Then it was.."Ok, Ill tell truth now"... And what was the "new" truth? > >While on the freeway I got a call from some twisted psycho sack of > >s**t who said offered up some threats if I followed through on picking up > >the cat. more drama. Im done. Fo Real! > > >While on the freeway I got a call from some twisted psycho sack of > > >s**t who said offered up some threats if I followed through on picking up [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > Im done. Fo Real! You're having way too much fun with this. :) But then, so is everyone else. I have to keep my promise to Dan now and let it drop. A promise is a promise, after all. He's right--I can't bust on him for breaking a promise if I am going to do it too. > A promise is a promise, after all. He's right--I can't bust on > him for breaking a promise if I am going to do it too. Lying to a liar isn't lying- its merely irony. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > From: "cmtowle" <cmtowle@shaw.ca> > > On behalf of myself, and probably many others here.... > GO f.ck YOURSELF!!!! Certainly not speaking for me. But heck, you might want to consider taking your own advice. There was absolutely NO reason to be such a nasty jerk. I'm thrilled Dylan (nee Conan) has found a good home with a feline friend and a loving family. What else could a cat hope for? Great Job, all who were involved in finding him the best home possible. Marjorie > As promised, a final update to let everyone who is interested know that > Conan (now "Dylan" which we thought a more gentle name) has indeed been > homed with wonderful cat-loving humans and a feline friend. He is a loving > and lovable kitty lapping up all of the attention and affection he is > getting. [snip blah blah blah] Instead of three paragraphs detailing how you were wronged, it would have looked much better on you to talk more about his new home. But that is just not as important to you, is it, Monica? You show yourself-- you cannot help it. I just hope that what you are telling us is true and he is not in some other cage. You have told so many lies, together with Dan Mahoney, that those who care about him do not know what to believe. And none of the lies was necessary. That is the part that looks the worst on you both. >> As promised, a final update to let everyone who is interested know that >> Conan (now "Dylan" which we thought a more gentle name) has indeed been [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > And none of the lies was necessary. That is the part that looks the > worst on you both. Here we have Bloody Bitch Mary STILL not satisfied about Conan's new accommodations. MORE proof that as soon as Mary gave up getting Conan out of the OC Shelter, her focus changed to extracting a pound of flesh from who ever did succeed in getting Conan out of the shelter .... let alone getting him a nice home. Sour grapes ... of the worst kind. > As promised, a final update to let everyone who is interested know that > Conan (now "Dylan" which we thought a more gentle name) has indeed been [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > very well-cared for every step of the way. Ultimately, that is all that > truly matters. And another thing, you a.s: you have not told us anything we did not already know. You told Meghan this, and you told the woman at the web site where you put Conan's photo. So what was the real point of your post? It's crystal clear to me, and to many others. You reek. >> As promised, a final update to let everyone who is interested know that >> Conan (now "Dylan" which we thought a more gentle name) has indeed been [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > You reek. Mary ... you are single handedly responsible for initiating and promoting the rancor, foul language, spins, threats, and ridiculous hypotheses. Such are your mode of operation EVERYTIME you are not otherwise acting syrupy sweet and concerned to new comers. > As promised, a final update to let everyone who is interested know that > Conan (now "Dylan" which we thought a more gentle name) has indeed been [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > very well-cared for every step of the way. Ultimately, that is all that > truly matters. sh.t a.s what comes round goes round sugar tits people like you are generally miserable anyway so i don't wish nothing bad on you, but you're a real narcist >As promised, a final update to let everyone who is interested know that >Conan (now "Dylan" which we thought a more gentle name) has indeed been >homed with wonderful cat-loving humans and a feline friend. He is a loving >and lovable kitty lapping up all of the attention and affection he is >getting. <snip> That's really good news! I just pored over a few of the Conan threads for the first time, and hooboy what a hornets' nest. I'm glad I came in at the happy ending. Funny how people who can't behave civilly and compassionately with other humans feel they should nonetheless be trusted with the welfare of an animal. Oh well. All's well that ends well. Now for the post-resolution spin-wars... BLink >>As promised, a final update to let everyone who is interested know that >>Conan (now "Dylan" which we thought a more gentle name) has indeed been [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > BLink An excellent observation. >The relentless net sleuthing, the negative spins, the threats, and the >outrageous theories you came up with would be laughable if a cat's future >had not been at stake. Who are you trying to kid with this pious horseshit? Cats get killed and plowed into landfills every day, by the thousands. What makes any one of them more important than all the rest? If you really cared about cats, you'd save your pennies for the ones nobody else is interested in. You just want to be the center of attention. Charlie All bullshit aside, *I* am so glad he is finally in a home. Here's to Conan! :) Pam, who really can't call him Dylan... > All bullshit aside, *I* am so glad he is finally in a home. Here's to > Conan! :) > > Pam, > who really can't call him Dylan... Honestly ... his name should be Sunny. :) And yes, here's to him! Those gorgeous gold eyes, that butterscotch coat--his lucky day was not when Philip Arthur took him home, but when he caught the cold that led Philip to return him to the shelter. Who knows what might have happened to him in the future had he stayed with Philip? > All bullshit aside, *I* am so glad he is finally in a home. Here's to > Conan! :) > > Pam, > who really can't call him Dylan... If he has a true forever home, then I am very happy for him, too. I hope they will give him lots of love and good care. =o) Melsisa > All bullshit aside, *I* am so glad he is finally in a home. Here's to > Conan! :) > > Pam, > who really can't call him Dylan... I lift my glass to those who actually adopted Conan and placed him in a better home than Mary could have found. :^) > If you really cared about cats, you'd save your pennies for the ones > nobody else is interested in. You just want to be the center of > attention. In light of that just what are YOU doing to help in this area? At least through Monica's and others help one cat has a true home. Just what have you done other that shoot your mouth off? > > If you really cared about cats, you'd save your pennies for the ones > > nobody else is interested in. You just want to be the center of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > through Monica's and others help one cat has a true home. Just what have > you done other that shoot your mouth off? He was the first to offer him a home, you silly a.shole. When nobody else would. >> If you really cared about cats, you'd save your pennies for the ones >> nobody else is interested in. You just want to be the center of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > through Monica's and others help one cat has a true home. Just what have > you done other that shoot your mouth off? Well, I believe he detailed his rescue of a cat who was splattered across the pavement. Tweaker is her name. He nursed her back to health. Pam, who thinks that counts for a lot >>> If you really cared about cats, you'd save your pennies for the ones >>> nobody else is interested in. You just want to be the center of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Pam, >who thinks that counts for a lot Thank you. Tweaker is a boy, BTW. I fell short of being the perfect cat lover when I rescued Tweaker because I did not immediately take him to the 24 hour emergency vet. I decided to see whether he would die or get better. When it became clear that recovery was his fortune, only then did he get vetted. My heart is not pure in terms of my attitude toward the welfare of cats. A dark streak of practicality pollutes it. I am morally defective by the standards of this group. Nevertheless, Cat Karma smiled upon me broadly when I got Tweaker. He is just the cat for me. He is predisposed to be friendly to all people and dogs. He is tidy and low-key. He seems eager for new experiences and he's having quite a few. Charlie > >>> If you really cared about cats, you'd save your pennies for the ones > >>> nobody else is interested in. You just want to be the center of [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Tweaker is a boy, BTW. See, it isn't just me! He kind of looks like a girl in the photos I have seen. Isn't he kind of small for a boy? > I fell short of being the perfect cat lover when I rescued Tweaker > because I did not immediately take him to the 24 hour emergency vet. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > people and dogs. He is tidy and low-key. He seems eager for new > experiences and he's having quite a few. Join the morally defective club, Charlie. I have been demonized for doing nothing but trying to help Conan. >> >>> If you really cared about cats, you'd save your pennies for the ones >> >>> nobody else is interested in. You just want to be the center of [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Join the morally defective club, Charlie. I have been demonized for > doing nothing but trying to help Conan. Mary, you have been demonized for doing MUCH MORE ... FAR beyond the call of necessity for Conan's sake. > >> >>> If you really cared about cats, you'd save your pennies for the ones > >> >>> nobody else is interested in. You just want to be the center of [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Mary, you have been demonized for doing MUCH MORE ... FAR beyond the call of > necessity for Conan's sake. Where was necessity when Conan needed it Philip! It was necessary for you to return him? > Tweaker is a boy, BTW. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > cats. A dark streak of practicality pollutes it. I am morally > defective by the standards of this group.>> Sometimes it's not possible if you live in a rural area to find a nearby vet that is open especially at night. I understand you have a rural attitude to animals but you didn't mention taking Tweaker to the vet at all, AFAIR in any of your posts at the time . I assumed you had and mentioned taking Tweaker back to the vet in case he was messing and weeing on the floor because he was in pain but you never mentioned the vet in your reply to me. If you had posted here and said you have found a cat in the road that was dazed and bleeding from his eyes etc and was going to leave him in a box to see whether he lived or died , I should think *everyone* would have gone ballistic. Fair enough that someone finds an injured cat and cannot get it to a vet but that's a lot different from not taking a cat in pain to a vet because it might die or get better on its own. Taking an injured cat to the vet asap is vital , it can make a difference between life or death. Alison >>The relentless net sleuthing, the negative spins, the threats, and the >>outrageous theories you came up with would be laughable if a cat's future [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Charlie Charlie. Your moments of sophistry, such as the one above, are evolving from an occasional fault to a regular feature. >>>The relentless net sleuthing, the negative spins, the threats, and the >>>outrageous theories you came up with would be laughable if a cat's future [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Charlie. Your moments of sophistry, such as the one above, are evolving >from an occasional fault to a regular feature. It ain't my sophistry, brother. I borrowed it from the moralizing baboons with whom you have encamped yourself. Monica is all worked up about how a cat's future is at stake. I'm trying to put that concern into some kind of realistic context. Charlie > >>>The relentless net sleuthing, the negative spins, the threats, and the > >>>outrageous theories you came up with would be laughable if a cat's future [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > about how a cat's future is at stake. I'm trying to put that concern > into some kind of realistic context. Philip is not encamped with Monica. She has some very nasty things to say about him in email. She was as concerned as all of us were about Philip's abandonment of Conan/Dylan. But she offered nothing until Charlie stepped up to the plate and offered to adopt him. >> >>>The relentless net sleuthing, the negative spins, the threats, and the >> >>>outrageous theories you came up with would be laughable if a cat's [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > about Philip's abandonment of Conan/Dylan. But she offered nothing > until Charlie stepped up to the plate and offered to adopt him. Prove it Mary. > >> >>>The relentless net sleuthing, the negative spins, the threats, and the > >> >>>outrageous theories you came up with would be laughable if a cat's [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Prove it Mary. She don't owe you gotdamn thang! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU I hope I hope I hope Mary sues your tail for antagonizing her during this wholet thing., >> "Mary" <marys@catlover.com> wrote in message > news:42dd3059_2@x-privat.org... [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Mary sues your tail for antagonizing her during this wholet thing., I have BCC'd copies of the pertainent emails Mary made that included my screen name. You can bring suit for any reason in this country. But bringing suit does in no way guarantee a judgement favorable to the one bringing the suit. >>>>The relentless net sleuthing, the negative spins, the threats, and the >>>>outrageous theories you came up with would be laughable if a cat's [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Charlie From my private communications with Monica, you may rest assured Monica is "worked up" about nothing. I would be fair to say that she became incredulous for a brief time. You are not the one to put Conan's future into any sort of factual context simply because you are out of the loop. Do feel free to do like Bloody BS Mary does .... write a script with Monica as the villan and you/Mary as the thwarted Samaritans. >>>>>The relentless net sleuthing, the negative spins, the threats, and the >>>>>outrageous theories you came up with would be laughable if a cat's [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >Mary does .... write a script with Monica as the villan and you/Mary as the >thwarted Samaritans. Bah. Now that is sophistry. Your friends have concocted an implausible script with a threatening lunatic and an unexplained need for secrecy. They are "incredulous" that most people who have followed the story now think they are a couple of prize a.sholes. Some have reached that conclusion reluctantly. Mary didn't create this ridiculous farce. None of it could have happened without the bizarre and highly unattractive conduct of Dan Mahoney and Monica Towle. Charlie > As promised, a final update to let everyone who is interested know that > Conan (now "Dylan" which we thought a more gentle name) has indeed been > homed with wonderful cat-loving humans and a feline friend. He is a loving > and lovable kitty lapping up all of the attention and affection he is > getting. Thanks for the update, Monica. That is great news! MaryL > As promised, a final update to let everyone who is interested know that > Conan (now "Dylan" which we thought a more gentle name) has indeed been > homed with wonderful cat-loving humans and a feline friend. He is a loving > and lovable kitty lapping up all of the attention and affection he is > getting. <snip> Thanks for posting an update. You are much more kind that I would have been. ;) I am glad he has a kitty friend to play with - that's excellent. Thanks for your patience and hard work on this! -L. > As promised, a final update to let everyone who is interested know that > Conan (now "Dylan" which we thought a more gentle name) has indeed been [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > I, and those who made Dylan's rescue happen, know he was happy, safe, and > very well-cared for every step of the way. Ultimately, that is all that > truly matters.>> Thank you to all involved in finding a new home and also those who kindly offered to help including those who offered homes and made donations to rescues. Let's hope the other cats at the rescue as as lucky as Dylan. Alison Monica: Thank you for your ACCOMPLISHMENTS. The boundless rancor and venom from Bloody Mary and her Tribe that you and I have endured persists but is really a non productive expenditure of energy on their part. Thank you for stepping up to the plate and for your success. God Bless. > As promised, a final update to let everyone who is interested know that > Conan (now "Dylan" which we thought a more gentle name) has indeed been [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > very well-cared for every step of the way. Ultimately, that is all that > truly matters. > Monica: Thank you for your ACCOMPLISHMENTS. The boundless rancor and > venom from Bloody Mary and her Tribe that you and I have endured persists > but is really a non productive expenditure of energy on their part. > > Thank you for stepping up to the plate and for your success. God Bless. Yes, thank you Monica. I'm so glad Conan is finally in his forever home. Philip, instead of insulting Mary and others, you should be especially thankful that the cat you dumped has been rescued. Lauren >> Monica: Thank you for your ACCOMPLISHMENTS. The boundless rancor and >> venom from Bloody Mary and her Tribe that you and I have endured persists [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Lauren In Mary's case there became a ratio of positive efforts to rancor that came to be very heavily weighted toward the latter with her acerbic bellicosity. Mary missed no opportunity to sabotage the only good she set out to accomplish. As for the word "dumped", may I suggest you will never have more than a cursory and very biased viewpoint until you also appreciate the situation from my perspective ... which has been documented here LONG ago. > As promised, a final update to let everyone who is interested know that > Conan (now "Dylan" which we thought a more gentle name) has indeed been [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > that we were doing everything right to ensure a great life for this cat. > That mattered to us. <snip> Thank you for all your hard work in finding this kitty a great home! -Kelly > > As promised, a final update to let everyone who is interested know that > > Conan (now "Dylan" which we thought a more gentle name) has indeed been [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thank you for all your hard work in finding this kitty a great home! How do you know he is in a great home? >> > As promised, a final update to let everyone who is interested know that >> > Conan (now "Dylan" which we thought a more gentle name) has indeed been [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > How do you know he is in a great home? How do "WE" know that you had a "great home" line up in San Diego? Mary, you are all about negative smear campaigning now. Do you still abuse your husband and children? Has Child Protective Services paid you a visit lately? > > As promised, a final update to let everyone who is interested know that > > Conan (now "Dylan" which we thought a more gentle name) has indeed been [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > -Kelly Believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear. I have read every single post Dan made since this happened. Every word. He's lying, he's still lying. But alas we know the truth. Dan has got the cat. Dan wanted him. > As promised, a final update to let everyone who is interested know that > Conan (now "Dylan" which we thought a more gentle name) has indeed been [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > very well-cared for every step of the way. Ultimately, that is all that > truly matters. While I am thrilled to see that Conan (aka Dylan) is in his new home, I am appalled at what happened here. Lots of folks, myself included cared about this cat. Mary had things set up so he would be homed quickly and had leads on 2-3 good homes. Then you came along and interfered. Conan was in a cage when he didn't have to be. We were lied to. All of us who had an emotional investment in this feel really betrayed and let down by you and Dan--well, I guess I shouldn't put words into anyone else's mouth, but that is what *I* feel. SignatureJean B. > While I am thrilled to see that Conan (aka Dylan) is in his > new home, I am appalled at what happened here. Lots of folks, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > let down by you and Dan--well, I guess I shouldn't put words > into anyone else's mouth, but that is what *I* feel. Read the details. Conan was not kept in a cage. Mary has been blathering that he was, but that's just Mary. I think everybody has figured out by now that she's a mental defective who can't be believed. Mary had leads on 3 potential homes, none of which stood up to the degree of scrutiny required of a decent kitty home. Instead Conan found a home with someone REALLY able to care for him. Monica didn't interfere. She offered a solution when Mary's "solution" proved inadequate. > > While I am thrilled to see that Conan (aka Dylan) is in his > > new home, I am appalled at what happened here. Lots of folks, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Monica didn't interfere. She offered a solution when Mary's "solution" > proved inadequate. Well it was so many lies on the table. And you still haven't told the truth. But you will! Oh yes you will! > Well it was so many lies on the table. > > And you still haven't told the truth. > > But you will! > Oh yes you will! Can you say "plonk"? > > Well it was so many lies on the table. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Can you say "plonk"? You ain't smart enough to plonk it's just a word you learned on here. Its just a word mate BTW: Say hello to Dylan, I know he's right there. >> > While I am thrilled to see that Conan (aka Dylan) is in his >> > new home, I am appalled at what happened here. Lots of folks, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > But you will! > Oh yes you will! You've got Bloody Mary's mental disorder. "I'll know the truth when you tell me what I want to hear" >> While I am thrilled to see that Conan (aka Dylan) is in his >> new home, I am appalled at what happened here. Lots of folks, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > that he was, but that's just Mary. I think everybody has figured out by > now that she's a mental defective who can't be believed. THAT is a very good reason for dissociating from her!! > Mary had leads on 3 potential homes, none of which stood up to the degree > of scrutiny required of a decent kitty home. Instead Conan found a home > with someone REALLY able to care for him. > > Monica didn't interfere. She offered a solution when Mary's "solution" > proved inadequate. That was OBVIOUS by your actions. I commend thee!! > Mary had leads on 3 potential homes, none of which stood up to the degree > of scrutiny required of a decent kitty home. Instead Conan found a home > with someone REALLY able to care for him. Kindly explain what you found inadequate about Meghan Noecker's (friesian@zoocrewphoto.com) ability to "REALLY" care for Conan. > > Mary had leads on 3 potential homes, none of which stood up to the degree > > of scrutiny required of a decent kitty home. Instead Conan found a home > > with someone REALLY able to care for him. > > Kindly explain what you found inadequate about Meghan Noecker's > (friesian@zoocrewphoto.com) ability to "REALLY" care for Conan. This is something I will never understand. Even Monica has to admit that Meghan is a model cat and dog mom. >Mary had leads on 3 potential homes, none of which stood up to the degree >of scrutiny required of a decent kitty home. Eat sh.t you little pissant. You're mooching off people in these newsgroups because you can't pay your vet bills. Charlie > >Mary had leads on 3 potential homes, none of which stood up to the degree > >of scrutiny required of a decent kitty home. > > Eat sh.t you little pissant. You're mooching off people in these > newsgroups because you can't pay your vet bills. I didn't mind helping Dan with his vet bills. I just wish he had had the guts to be straightforward with us. If indeed Conan is in a good home, all is well and we have all learned an important lesson about trust. >> As promised, a final update to let everyone who is interested know that >> Conan snip [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > about this cat. Mary had things set up so he would be homed quickly and > had leads on 2-3 good homes. Then you came along and interfered. Sorry, but your recall is incorrect. At a crucial point, Mary said she was giving up because she and her people could not coordinate with surety a person to do the physical adoption from the OC Shelter and short range transport. The clock was ticking so Monica with her influence stepped up to the plate. > Conan was in a cage when he didn't have to be. We were lied to. All of > us who had an emotional investment in this feel really betrayed and let > down by you and Dan--well, I guess I shouldn't put words into anyone > else's mouth, but that is what *I* feel. Fine. Your feeeeeeeelings make nothing "right" or factual. Feeeeeeelings are not the currency of the realm. This experience should be a lesson in the perils of getting emotionally invested in vicarious dramas. "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:zPgDe.6144 > Fine. Your feeeeeeeelings make nothing "right" or factual. Feeeeeeelings > are not the currency of the realm. This experience should be a lesson in > the perils of getting emotionally invested in vicarious dramas. Life must grand for you by not being burdened or inconvenienced by emotions, compassion and a conscience. What raised you? > "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:zPgDe.6144 > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > emotions, > compassion and a conscience. What raised you? The truth you wish to hear is ... wolves or Vulcans. > > "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:zPgDe.6144 > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > The truth you wish to hear is ... wolves or Vulcans. Nope. Couldn't be animals because animals have feelings. Couldn't be Vulcans, either, because they have feelings too- they just control them. >> > "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message >> > news:zPgDe.6144 [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Couldn't be Vulcans, either, because they have feelings too- > they just control them. Phil, this is a stupid reply. Even for you. You siding with the ridiculous rescue attempt by Mary and company of Conan is silly. You know better. Meghan? She cleans out the litter box every other week? Ok ok, we know the thread about accidentally killing her cat with Pepto Bismol was after the fact, but the litter box threads were enough that I wouldn't home a cat with her, either. I certainly wouldn't home a cat with Charlie, and from what you've seen here, you wouldn't either. Admit it. You've dodged this throughout the Conan threads. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > You siding with the > ridiculous rescue attempt by Mary and company of Conan is silly. Thanks, Cheryl. Rhonda > >> > "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message > >> > news:zPgDe.6144 [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Phil, this is a stupid reply. Not nearly as stupid as yours. > week? Ok ok, we know the thread about accidentally killing her cat > with Pepto Bismol After your repeated blunders, you're no one to criticize anyone! You're not exactly the brightest bulb in the lamp. > On Wed 20 Jul 2005 07:10:37a, Phil P. wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > with Pepto Bismol was after the fact, but the litter box threads > were enough that I wouldn't home a cat with her, either.>> Hi Cheryl, That doesn't sound very good:( When you mean she only cleans out h |
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