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jmc - 15 Jul 2005 23:56 GMT
Ok.  So Meep does have idiopathic cystitis, tons of struvite crystals
(and unfortunatly, almost too much blood to see them.  Another test in a
week).  This, despite daily glucosamine supplement, as much canned food
as she'll eat (not easy!), and a bottle-type waterer (not electric).

So.  Vet had me try Royal Canin veterinary urinary formulas - Meep won't
eat the wet (it's gravy based, and she insists on jelly) but will eat
the dry.

Buying cat food from the vet is always an expensive proposition.  I'm
wondering if I have any options.  Is this really a 'prescription' food,
and is there any way for me to buy it, or a similar competitor, for
cheaper (this is in the UK; unfortunately meat-based products can't be
shipped through APO.  Darn.)?

Also, I'm looking for recommendations on canned foods that she might
eat, that might help.  So far, the only thing she'll fairly consistently
eat is Felix bags (UK) and some types of US 9 Lives cans.

US canned foods, I only have a choice of 9 Lives and Fancy Feast.

Meep is one of those cats who seems to internalize stress, which is
probably why she has cystitis in the first place, would a Feliway
diffuser help, do you think?  Has anyone use Feliway to try to treat a
cystitis-prone cat, and had good results?

Any other suggestions on how to keep this cat hydrated and crystal-free
are very welcome.  Food supplements, alternate medicine, I'm open to
suggestions.  I'll research anything you suggest, so websites with more
info would also be helpful!

Thanks!  I need all the help I can get, to get Meep healthy and keep her
that way!

Jodi
Karen - 16 Jul 2005 01:56 GMT
> Ok.  So Meep does have idiopathic cystitis, tons of struvite crystals
> (and unfortunatly, almost too much blood to see them.  Another test in a
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> Jodi

well, I would *definitely* try the Feliway diffuser. I dont' know what foods
are like over there so no help that way. Hopefully others will have more
info.
Phil P. - 16 Jul 2005 04:20 GMT
> Ok.  So Meep does have idiopathic cystitis, tons of struvite crystals
> (and unfortunatly, almost too much blood to see them.  Another test in a
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> US canned foods, I only have a choice of 9 Lives and Fancy Feast.

If your vet is absolutely sure that the crystals are struvite, speak to him
about adding a urinary acidifier to the Fancy Feast or 9 Lives- perferably
Fancy Feast (Grilled Chicken in Gravy, Minced Beef, Grilled Beef or Grilled
Turkey in Gravy are the lowest in phosphorus).  Urine acidifiers must used
very cautiously and only as a last resort because they carry significant
risks- one of them is the formation of calcium oxalate crystals.

> Meep is one of those cats who seems to internalize stress, which is
> probably why she has cystitis in the first place, would a Feliway
> diffuser help, do you think?  Has anyone use Feliway to try to treat a
> cystitis-prone cat, and had good results?

A Feliway Diffuser might help reduce stress and is certainly worth trying.

> Any other suggestions on how to keep this cat hydrated and crystal-free
> are very welcome.  Food supplements, alternate medicine, I'm open to
> suggestions.  I'll research anything you suggest, so websites with more
> info would also be helpful!

A canned diet would be much more efficacious in controlling crystals and
cystitis because the higher water intake and turnover achieved with a canned
diet will dilute the concentration of crystalline particles and noxious
substances in the urine.  The higher water turnover will make her pee more
often- this will help eliminate crystalline particles before they aggregate
or accrete into larger particles that could eventually become crystals and
uroliths.  The more frequent urination will also result in less urine
contact time with the bladder and might help reduce inflammation.

Also, a meat based diet fed 12 hours apart will allow her natural urine
acidity to return and help dissolve struvite.  Meat-based diets acidify the
urine whereas diets high in plant material alkalanize the urine.

See what you can do to reduce stress as much as possible- that will help a
great deal.

> Thanks!  I need all the help I can get, to get Meep healthy and keep her
> that way!
>
> Jodi

Best of luck.

Phil
jmc - 16 Jul 2005 06:48 GMT
Suddenly, without warning, Phil P. exclaimed (16-Jul-05 4:20 AM):

> A canned diet would be much more efficacious in controlling crystals and
> cystitis because the higher water intake and turnover achieved with a canned
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> acidity to return and help dissolve struvite.  Meat-based diets acidify the
> urine whereas diets high in plant material alkalanize the urine.

> Best of luck.
>
> Phil

Thanks, Phil... unfortunately, she's being very finicky about canned/wet
food, and would rather starve than eat a canned food she dislikes (she's
noticibly lost weight while I tried to convince her otherwise.  She
wins).  So, dry will remain a part of her diet.

I'm not sure what you're recommending with the paragraph on meat-based
diets, her canned food has a high meat content.  If you're talking about
a natural diet, I can't even get her to take meat as a snack - raw or
cooked.

I will likely try Feliway though.

jmc
Alison - 16 Jul 2005 09:56 GMT
Hi Jodie,
My vet gave me Waltham's prescription sachets which had jelly but Kim
didn't like them.
I use a Feliway diffuser which I think I helps .
Alison

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> Ok.  So Meep does have idiopathic cystitis, tons of struvite crystals
> (and unfortunatly, almost too much blood to see them.  Another test in a
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>
> Jodi
Brandy  Alexandre - 16 Jul 2005 15:11 GMT
jmc <NOnewsgroupsSPAM@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote in
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> Ok.  So Meep does have idiopathic cystitis, tons of struvite
> crystals (and unfortunatly, almost too much blood to see them.
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>
> Jodi

I was in PetsMart the other day and saw a product whose name I can't
recall, but it was a supplement for urinary tract issues that you
give you cat with such problems in a similar manner as petromalt.  
Maybe you know what it is, but the next time I'm there I will look
for it again and let you know.  If there is something you can just
give them daily to help cats with chronic UTI, sounds like a good
thing.  ASnyone else who knows what I'm talking about please chime
in.

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jmc - 16 Jul 2005 17:40 GMT
Suddenly, without warning, Brandy  Alexandre exclaimed (16-Jul-05 3:11 PM):
> jmc <NOnewsgroupsSPAM@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote in
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> thing.  ASnyone else who knows what I'm talking about please chime
> in.

I'd be interested to know.  I'm outside of the US, but as I have an APO
addy, I can order from PetsMart (I get my fussy cat's litter from there).

jmc
Brandy  Alexandre - 16 Jul 2005 18:46 GMT
jmc <NOnewsgroupsSPAM@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote in
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> Suddenly, without warning, Brandy  Alexandre exclaimed (16-Jul-05
> 3:11 PM):

>> I was in PetsMart the other day and saw a product whose name I
>> can't recall, but it was a supplement for urinary tract issues
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> jmc

I found it on the site.  Here's the link.

http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?Eprd_id=
845524441781053

(You might have to copy/paste the whole link)

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Brandy  Alexandre - 16 Jul 2005 18:49 GMT
jmc <NOnewsgroupsSPAM@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

> Suddenly, without warning, Brandy  Alexandre exclaimed (16-Jul-05
> 3:11 PM):

>> I was in PetsMart the other day and saw a product whose name I
>> can't recall, but it was a supplement for urinary tract issues
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> jmc

I found it on the site.  Here's the link.

http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?Eprd_id=
845524441781053

(You might have to copy/paste the whole link)

The description reads:

Mark & Chappell UTI Paste for Cats
     
Help your cat maintain good urinary tract health by offering a dose of
this tasty supplement every day. Contains dl-Methionine, an amino acid
that lower urine pH, and natural cranberry extracts, known to help
maintain a healthy urinary tract. Also contains taurine and vitamin E
for added nutrition. For adult cats. For best results, feed one
teaspoon daily.



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jmc - 16 Jul 2005 22:12 GMT
Suddenly, without warning, Brandy  Alexandre exclaimed (16-Jul-05 6:49 PM):
> jmc <NOnewsgroupsSPAM@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote in
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>  
>  

Thanks for posting the description.  The link was a bit truncated,
here's the full monty:

http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=8455244417
81053&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023690&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=253437430202
5592&bmUID=1121548182395


I'll ask the vet about this at Meep's next appointment.  Meanwhile, she
actually likes the Royal Canin prescription dry stuff, so we'll try
that.  Back to Felix wet, the RC in a bag apparently isn't food,
according to Meep.

jmc
 
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