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Preston Crawford - 15 Jul 2005 15:01 GMT
This has been like a 2 year oddessy. We have a very loving, adorable
black cat. Likes to be a lap cat. Takes very good care of his sister (we
adopted litter-mates) and is overall a great cat. There's one problem.
He's REALLY needy at night and he's made our nights hell for the last
two years.

From the start we've had a closed-door policy. Mostly because one of our
first cats would jump on us at 3am and given that my wife and I both
have insomnia that won't work. No problem with that cat. Door closed, he
goes and finds something else to do. Opus, however, begin incessantly
scratching on the door and waking us up. So we searched around places
like this and our first attempt at getting our nights back was to open
the door and let him in. The other cat had grown up enough that he was
happy to be at the foot of the bed or in the closet. So we thought we
had a solution. Opus, however, insisted on biting our fingers to play
and in my case (since I use a CPAP for apnea that blows out air) batting
at my head and scratching. So we sought help again. Someone said get a
squirt bottle. After like 3 weeks of squirting him and him not getting
the hint we closed the door again and tried the vacuum cleaner trick.

Well, that worked for all of 2 weeks until one day I found out from my
wife that she was waking up up to 5 times a night to plug the vacuum in.
Then someone at a pet store told us that baby gates were the way to go.
They can't be scratched and they're a barrier. So we bought two and
tried that. Now we're in an arms race with Opus. We put up a baby gate,
he jumps it. We put up two staggered, he jumps between them like an
acrobat. We STACK them going almost all the way to the ceiling and he
jumps on the bannister instead. We put a large laundry basket on the
bannister and he jumps into the laudry basket and slides onto the floor.
Last night my wife woke up twice because now, in spite of putting a towl
over the top of the baby gates, lest he scale them, he managed to jump
over the 6 feet worth of baby gates.

In other words the situation has gone from ridiculous to he's getting
locked in a closet soon. I don't want to lock him in a closet at night.
I don't want to give him away. But this is getting ridiculous. He's been
disturbing our already poor sleep for 2 years now. And he won't quit.
We've tried virtually everything you're supposed to try. We didn't even
list half of the things, like the "no scratch" spray on the door, stuff
like that. We don't know what to do. We're at a point now where we have
to barricade ourselves in our own bedroom with 6 feet of baby gates, a
towel draped over it and a giant hamper guarding the flank with the
bannister and he's still finding a way over. I have to give him credit
for tenacity, but it's getting really really really really really old.
We just want decent sleep. We already have sleep problems without Opus
making it worse. And at this point it's gone from a nuisance to "please
tell us, Opus, why we shouldn't find a new home for you?"

Please help give any advice possible. We don't want to give up on him,
but we need sleep.

Preston
PawsForThought - 15 Jul 2005 15:12 GMT
> This has been like a 2 year oddessy. We have a very loving, adorable
> black cat. Likes to be a lap cat. Takes very good care of his sister (we
> adopted litter-mates) and is overall a great cat. There's one problem.
> He's REALLY needy at night and he's made our nights hell for the last
> two years.

We had a cat that was similar to yours.  Our fix was when we were in
the bedroom and the cat was outside the door, we threw a book at the
door.  The noise startled the cat and she stopped the door scratching.
You could also try shaking a can of pennies.
Preston Crawford - 15 Jul 2005 15:19 GMT
>> This has been like a 2 year oddessy. We have a very loving, adorable
>> black cat. Likes to be a lap cat. Takes very good care of his sister (we
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> door.  The noise startled the cat and she stopped the door scratching.
> You could also try shaking a can of pennies.

That was the vacuum cleaner trick, essentially. Put the vacuum outside
the door and plug it in every time he scratches. Eventually they're
supposed to get scared of scratching on the door. But he quickly got
over that. And, I forgot to mention, we tried a squirt bottle when we
had the door open. No dice on that either. No matter how many times you
squirt them or what barriers you erect, he wants to be around you.

Preston
whitershadeofpale - 15 Jul 2005 16:01 GMT
> >> This has been like a 2 year oddessy. We have a very loving, adorable
> >> black cat. Likes to be a lap cat. Takes very good care of his sister (we
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>
> Preston

just shut the door
and wait him out
he will learn

don't throw anything
don't stir

heck, you've gone two years

totally ignore him for as long as it takes.

scratching has a certain annoying noise sure
while you're waiting it out, how bout some
relaxing rythmic music, maybe the cat will
even scratch on rythm..lol
Preston Crawford - 15 Jul 2005 16:09 GMT
>> >> This has been like a 2 year oddessy. We have a very loving, adorable
>> >> black cat. Likes to be a lap cat. Takes very good care of his sister (we
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> relaxing rythmic music, maybe the cat will
> even scratch on rythm..lol

My wife tried ear plugs for a while. It didn't work. We listen to music
at night already. With this cat (believe me, if you knew his personality
and his tenacity you'd understand) there really is no waiting it out. If
we tried to wait it out he'd just scratch the door for 10 years.

Preston
whitershadeofpale - 15 Jul 2005 16:38 GMT
> >> >> This has been like a 2 year oddessy. We have a very loving, adorable
> >> >> black cat. Likes to be a lap cat. Takes very good care of his sister (we
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>
> Preston

It's a real bear, I know what you mean about the scratching torture.

Anymore; I let my cat stay out all night. We have gone through some
changes him and me, but this arrangment works. I've gotten up in the
middle of the night, he's sitting on the porch, just chilling.

I say, "you wanna come in", but he won't.

I realize you two have explored all possible places in the house.
Sunroom, screened in back porch, mother-n-law suite, bedrooms on the
other end of the house, and so on.

And he is probably sleeping like a baby right now. (middle of the day)

Good Luck!
Preston Crawford - 16 Jul 2005 15:29 GMT
> I realize you two have explored all possible places in the house.
> Sunroom, screened in back porch, mother-n-law suite, bedrooms on the
> other end of the house, and so on.
>
> And he is probably sleeping like a baby right now. (middle of the day)

Yes, indeed. :-)

I've seen it. If I'm home sick he's out like a light all day long.

> Good Luck!

Thanks.

Preston
Philip - 15 Jul 2005 17:03 GMT
>>>> This has been like a 2 year oddessy. We have a very loving, adorable
>>>> black cat. Likes to be a lap cat. Takes very good care of his sister
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> relaxing rythmic music, maybe the cat will
> even scratch on rythm..lol

Sick puppy.
whitershadeofpale - 15 Jul 2005 15:26 GMT
> > This has been like a 2 year oddessy. We have a very loving, adorable
> > black cat. Likes to be a lap cat. Takes very good care of his sister (we
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> door.  The noise startled the cat and she stopped the door scratching.
> You could also try shaking a can of pennies.

a book, a shoe, remote control...

this is when I got up grabbed a number one driver
and tore my f.cking house up (never saw the cat)
Karen - 15 Jul 2005 15:14 GMT
Why don't you just make up another room for him to be in at night? It
doesn't have to be a closet.

> This has been like a 2 year oddessy. We have a very loving, adorable
> black cat. Likes to be a lap cat. Takes very good care of his sister (we
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>
> Preston
Preston Crawford - 15 Jul 2005 15:22 GMT
We've thought about that, for sure. The problem is that where we
currently live there is really only one room that's suitable. And that
room happens to be attached directly to our bedroom. So I imagine that
would just lead to him scratching on the wall. That's our next attempt,
though. We hate having to shut one of the cats in. We've tried it
before. And inevitably what happens is that the other cats scratch at
that door because they want their friend out. So we have to put them ALL
in said room, which becomes a big process every night. Although I guess
at this point it's no more of a process than erecting a fortress around
our bedroom door.

Preston

> Why don't you just make up another room for him to be in at night? It
> doesn't have to be a closet.
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>>
>> Preston
Karen - 15 Jul 2005 15:41 GMT
Get a nice big cat tree with cubby holes for that room. Seriously. My cats
adore sleeping in their tree. If it's by a window, even better. Soemthing
like:

http://www.angelicalcat.com/products/wcb3.shtml

(you can find much more inexpensive ones at Petco)

Honestly, my cats PREFER this to anything else for sleeping.

> We've thought about that, for sure. The problem is that where we
> currently live there is really only one room that's suitable. And that
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> >>
> >> Preston
whitershadeofpale - 15 Jul 2005 15:53 GMT
> Get a nice big cat tree with cubby holes for that room. Seriously. My cats
> adore sleeping in their tree. If it's by a window, even better. Soemthing
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> > >>
> > >> Preston

Cats are nocturnal, they will play or prowl all night.
It's their job.

You may as well change the spots on a leapord.

I threw stuff at my BR door, it worked for about 2 days.
(and really, I hate doing petty crap like that, scaring the B'Jesus out
of anyone!) It really is a bad choice.

With a cat, you have to go with the flow.

Karen, why do I get the feeling you do not sleep well at night.

So now, I let Ruprecht (my nocturnal cat) stay out all night.

I don't think a cat toy is a permanent solution here.

I bet a lot of people cannot sleep because of cats, they just don't
tell it.

Tell the truth, do you sleep at night?
Preston Crawford - 15 Jul 2005 15:53 GMT
That's a pretty cool tree. We have one close to that, actually, but not
that cool. Either way we have 2 houses for them. More than enough nooks
and crannies to keep all the other cats happy. It's just this one cat.

Preston

> Get a nice big cat tree with cubby holes for that room. Seriously. My cats
> adore sleeping in their tree. If it's by a window, even better. Soemthing
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>> >>
>> >> Preston
Karen - 15 Jul 2005 16:07 GMT
Well, you might just experiment if a room set up like that would keep him
happy and his attention away from you.

> That's a pretty cool tree. We have one close to that, actually, but not
> that cool. Either way we have 2 houses for them. More than enough nooks
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> >> >>
> >> >> Preston
Mary - 15 Jul 2005 17:17 GMT
> That's a pretty cool tree. We have one close to that, actually, but not
> that cool. Either way we have 2 houses for them. More than enough nooks
> and crannies to keep all the other cats happy. It's just this one cat.

Get another cat box, put it in your room with his water and some food,
shut him in there with you and shut the other cat out and see what happens.
If he curls up and goes to sleep, problem solved. The box and food are so
that there is no reason he might want to get out. Might work, might not.
But it sounds like you love him so it has to be worth a try.
Glitter Ninja - 15 Jul 2005 19:44 GMT
>That's a pretty cool tree. We have one close to that, actually, but not
>that cool. Either way we have 2 houses for them. More than enough nooks
>and crannies to keep all the other cats happy. It's just this one cat.

 Sounds like he's enjoying the game of wits you guys are involved in.
 First, make sure you have enough sleepy spots for all your cats.  
Nothing fancy -- my kitties like a plastic crate with old blankies, a
soft bathmat on top of a shelf, an afghan on a chair, things like that.  
Just make sure there's one spot for each kitty in the bedroom and one
extra spot in case they want a change of scenery.
 That said, I found the best thing for my kitties to stop playing with
me at night was ignoring them.  If they nibbled at my fingers I'd ignore
it unless they continued it for a lengthy amount of time, or bit down
hard, then they'd get the smack on the butt and a "No!"  If they played
"bed badger" (our term for them attacking our feet under the covers
because they think our feet are actually critters) I'd stop moving my
feet until they lost interest.  Basically I'd lay perfectly still and
not give them the attention they were wanting.  It's worked for 5 cats
so far.
 Good luck.

Stacia
Philip - 15 Jul 2005 17:03 GMT
Nuthin like herding cats.  LOL

> We've thought about that, for sure. The problem is that where we
> currently live there is really only one room that's suitable. And that
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>>>
>>> Preston
Jean B. - 15 Jul 2005 17:27 GMT
> We've thought about that, for sure. The problem is that where we
> currently live there is really only one room that's suitable. And that
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>
> Preston

Would Opus even realize that wall separated him from him and
your bedroom?  I think he would be more likely to scratch on
the door.
Signature

Jean B.

Preston Crawford - 16 Jul 2005 15:38 GMT
>> We've thought about that, for sure. The problem is that where we
>> currently live there is really only one room that's suitable. And that
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> your bedroom?  I think he would be more likely to scratch on
> the door.

No idea. He's pretty smart, so he might. Worse, since the room contains
a litter box we'd have to lock the other cats up or else setup a 2nd
litter box. And even then his sister might paw at his door to be with
him (they're very close).

Preston
Toni from T.O. - 15 Jul 2005 16:25 GMT
> This has been like a 2 year oddessy. We have a very loving, adorable
> black cat. Likes to be a lap cat. Takes very good care of his sister (we
> adopted litter-mates) and is overall a great cat. There's one problem.
> He's REALLY needy at night and he's made our nights hell for the last
> two years.

I feel for you.  When we first got our cat, he would sleep beside my head
for about four hours, then it was play time.  Eventually we had to resort to
shutting him in the basement at night.  Every night we'd do the surprise
snaffle, a pincer movement through the dining and living rooms so he
couldn't make it to one of his hiding spots. I can't remember when we
stopped doing that, now he is happy to chill out at night.  He goes around
to the different beds at night and spends a little time on each. He'll
usually come in to me at 5:45 (my wake up time anyway), demand some
attention, then as soon as I haul myself out of bed, flake out on the exact
spot I just vacated.  My suggestion is:  lock the cat in another room, or
simply out of your bedroom, and invest in some good earplugs.  (Get a louder
alarm clock, if you need one).  Or cover your bedroom door with carpet.
Eventually he'll grow out of it.

Good luck!

Toni from T.O.
Philip - 15 Jul 2005 17:03 GMT
> This has been like a 2 year oddessy. We have a very loving, adorable
> black cat. Likes to be a lap cat. Takes very good care of his sister (we
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>
> Preston

How about a few strips of duct tape tacked sticky -side -out to your bedroom
door (and other strategic spots) about paw height?
whitershadeofpale - 15 Jul 2005 19:37 GMT
> > This has been like a 2 year oddessy. We have a very loving, adorable
> > black cat. Likes to be a lap cat. Takes very good care of his sister (we
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> How about a few strips of duct tape tacked sticky -side -out to your bedroom
> door (and other strategic spots) about paw height?

If he puts sticky side out, how will he stick it to the door.

I never understood this LOL
Philip - 15 Jul 2005 20:49 GMT
>> How about a few strips of duct tape tacked sticky -side -out to your
>> bedroom door (and other strategic spots) about paw height?
>
> If he puts sticky side out, how will he stick it to the door.
>
> I never understood this LOL

In my post (above), please notice the word "TACKED".
whitershadeofpale - 16 Jul 2005 14:40 GMT
> >> How about a few strips of duct tape tacked sticky -side -out to your
> >> bedroom door (and other strategic spots) about paw height?
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>
> In my post (above), please notice the word "TACKED".

That's tacky!
Mary - 15 Jul 2005 17:09 GMT
> This has been like a 2 year oddessy. We have a very loving, adorable
> black cat. Likes to be a lap cat. Takes very good care of his sister (we
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>
> From the start we've had a closed-door policy.

If you opened the door Opus would likely curl up on the bed
and go to sleep.

>Mostly because one of our
> first cats would jump on us at 3am and given that my wife and I both
> have insomnia that won't work. No problem with that cat. Door closed, he
> goes and finds something else to do.

Have you tried feeding the other cat right before you go to bed?
Preston Crawford - 16 Jul 2005 15:38 GMT
>> This has been like a 2 year oddessy. We have a very loving, adorable
>> black cat. Likes to be a lap cat. Takes very good care of his sister (we
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> If you opened the door Opus would likely curl up on the bed
> and go to sleep.

I wish. We tried that. He'll go to sleep, then wake up at 2 to play.

>>Mostly because one of our
>> first cats would jump on us at 3am and given that my wife and I both
>> have insomnia that won't work. No problem with that cat. Door closed, he
>> goes and finds something else to do.
>
> Have you tried feeding the other cat right before you go to bed?

Yeah.

Preston
blkcatgal - 15 Jul 2005 17:57 GMT
How about playing with him for about a half hour before bedtime?  Might tire
him out.  Also, try feeding him before bedtime.  A full stomach makes them
sleepy too.

S.

> This has been like a 2 year oddessy. We have a very loving, adorable
> black cat. Likes to be a lap cat. Takes very good care of his sister (we
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>
> Preston
Ron Herfurth - 15 Jul 2005 19:34 GMT
I thought I'd be the only one with a cat named Opus.
His sister used to meow every night till I got out of bed and let her in the
bedroom.
She however would sleep through the night, and I would have been glad to
have her sleep on my feet if she'd come in the bed room BEFORE I shut the
door. But nooooooooooooooooooooo, she showed up just as I was dozing off.

One night I decided to ignore her - all night.

She meowed  - all night.

In the morning I got up like usual, we went down to the kitchen as usual,
and had breakfast as usual.

The next night she didn't make a peep.

She hasn't been in the bed room since.

good luck with yours.

ron

> This has been like a 2 year oddessy. We have a very loving, adorable
> black cat. Likes to be a lap cat. Takes very good care of his sister (we
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>
> Preston
Preston Crawford - 16 Jul 2005 15:36 GMT
> I thought I'd be the only one with a cat named Opus.

The funny thing is we got him that way. He came from a litter of cats
where they were all named that way. Harmony, Melody, Sonnet, Opus.
Sonnet is his sister.

> She however would sleep through the night, and I would have been glad to
> have her sleep on my feet if she'd come in the bed room BEFORE I shut the
> door. But nooooooooooooooooooooo, she showed up just as I was dozing off.

That's the real drag. We'd have no problem with them sleeping in the
room. There's something very calming, in fact, about lots of creatures
sleeping at the same time. And 3 of our 4 cats will sleep. It's the one,
Opus, who wants to play at 3 am. The others are so excited to be in the
bedroom that they fall right asleep in the closet, on the foot of the
bed, wherever they can find.

Last night was sad. One of our other cats was nestled in the closet.
Since we have to barricade the bedroom, we get him out (and others)
before we go to bed. Last night, though, he started hissing at me and
lunging at me with the claws. So he really wanted to sleep there. Which,
if we let him, probably wouldn't be a problem. Except that he'd
eventually want to go out and use the litter box. So if we could have an
open-door policy he could stay there. But since we can't.... ugh.

> One night I decided to ignore her - all night.
>
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>
> ron

That would mean an all-nighter for us, essentially. And we've already
tried that to some extent. He doesn't give up.

Preston
Alison - 15 Jul 2005 22:15 GMT
> This has been like a 2 year oddessy. We have a very loving, adorable
> black cat. Likes to be a lap cat. Takes very good care of his sister (we
> adopted litter-mates) and is overall a great cat. There's one problem.
> He's REALLY needy at night and he's made our nights hell for the last
> two years.

I would read Pam Johnson-bennets ,  Psycho Kitty book . It tells you
how to deal with cats like this.
 Cats are more active between dusk and dawn. What might help settle
your cat at night is to play games that mimic hunting , wind  down and
then give a feed .  It gives more details in the book. It will take a
little  time to change your cats body clock .
Alison
Preston Crawford - 16 Jul 2005 15:30 GMT
>> This has been like a 2 year oddessy. We have a very loving, adorable
>> black cat. Likes to be a lap cat. Takes very good care of his sister
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> little  time to change your cats body clock .
>  Alison

I'll look it up, thanks.

Preston
Steve(JazzHunter) - 18 Jul 2005 07:06 GMT
>>> This has been like a 2 year oddessy. We have a very loving, adorable
>>> black cat. Likes to be a lap cat. Takes very good care of his sister
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>
>Preston

In that vein. .. I've had a similar situation, basically, you have a
bright cat.  All these things you've been doing like stacking baby
gates, turning on the vacuum cleaner etc. are games to him.  It's
possible that from the get go whenever he's done something at night
like nibble on your fingers you've responded in some way, providing
"feedback" to his game.  It might be too late now but when my Crystal
did this type of thing with me (and I'm an insomniac too) I just
totally ignored her, lay there like a log while she nibbled my ear,
licked my nose, jumped repeatedly on my chest. etc. etc.  after a few
nights she just gave up..Then I would wake her up during the day by
tossing fluffballs at her, waving the feather stick, you get the idea.
The day became more interesting, the night boring.  With two cats they
should play with each other, but you might try adopting or fostering a
third cat to divert the troublemaker's attention.  In 30 years during
which I've been owned by some 16 cats, night time sleepytime
disturbance has never been a significant problem, and I've had some
real nighthawks!

..  Steve ..
biggerbadderbarry - 18 Jul 2005 17:43 GMT
I've done that (wake my cat up)

He kept me up all night, then come morning, he goes and curls up somewhere.
but not that morning! git up you ragged cat! Oh nooo, I couldn't sleep, not
it's my turn!

Git up git up git up!

All that day, everytime I would pass by him, I stoop down and rub him real
good.

I was full of malice but I had to let on, like I was loving him, but really,
I was trying to keep him awake.

this worked for a small...

but cats are nocturnal, it's just in them to be up at night.

--
Barry

=^.^=

... Women and cats are both black at night. - Bosnia ...

> >>> This has been like a 2 year oddessy. We have a very loving, adorable
> >>> black cat. Likes to be a lap cat. Takes very good care of his sister
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>
> ..  Steve ..
CatNipped - 18 Jul 2005 18:13 GMT
> but cats are nocturnal, it's just in them to be up at night.

Actually, cats are crepuscular.  ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped
mlbriggs - 18 Jul 2005 18:23 GMT
>> but cats are nocturnal, it's just in them to be up at night.
>
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>
> CatNippe

Sounds disgusting!    LOL
Mary - 18 Jul 2005 18:31 GMT
> >> but cats are nocturnal, it's just in them to be up at night.
> >
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>
> Sounds disgusting!    LOL

Actually, it sounds like a donut full of disgusting material!!
whitershadeofpale - 18 Jul 2005 20:48 GMT
> > >> but cats are nocturnal, it's just in them to be up at night.
> > >
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>
> Actually, it sounds like a donut full of disgusting material!!

I never heard this term

Crepuscular is a term used to describe animals that are primarily active
during the twilight. Crepuscular is thus in contrast with diurnal and
nocturnal. Crepuscular animals may also be active on a bright moonlit night.
Many animals that are casually described as nocturnal are in fact
crepuscular.
CatNipped - 18 Jul 2005 20:58 GMT
> > > >> but cats are nocturnal, it's just in them to be up at night.
> > > >
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> Many animals that are casually described as nocturnal are in fact
> crepuscular.

My vet told me that I'm the only "owner" whom she'll allow to hold/control
her cat and asked me how I learned so much about cats.  I told her that I'm
such an ailurophile that I know what clowder and crepuscular means.  ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped
Rhonda - 19 Jul 2005 01:50 GMT
Crepuscular is dawn and dusk, like a rabbit.

Rhonda

> Crepuscular is a term used to describe animals that are primarily active
> during the twilight. Crepuscular is thus in contrast with diurnal and
> nocturnal. Crepuscular animals may also be active on a bright moonlit night.
> Many animals that are casually described as nocturnal are in fact
> crepuscular.
Wendy - 19 Jul 2005 12:11 GMT
>> >> but cats are nocturnal, it's just in them to be up at night.
>> >
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>
> Actually, it sounds like a donut full of disgusting material!!

or something with an exoskeleton
 
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