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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / July 2005Another ad, with pics... why am I noy surprised
http://www.pawdsquad.org/pages/Dylan.html > http://www.pawdsquad.org/pages/Dylan.html One would think that you'd be happy there were many ads out, increasing chances of a really good adoption. But you'd rather bitch and draw attention to yourself. > > http://www.pawdsquad.org/pages/Dylan.html > > > One would think that you'd be happy there were many ads out, increasing > chances of a really good adoption. But you'd rather bitch and draw attention > to yourself. I'd be much happier if the lies stopped, so much for Monica telling Meghan a good home was lined up, if that was true why the need for the ad with the glamour shots. And Dan claims Conan is with a foster family, more lies. A vicious cycle. And don't be an idiot, Conan had his chance for a good adoption, three times now. You know the saying, everything happens in threes, I hope there is a fourth. And the next time I want you to speak I'll throw you a bone. >>> http://www.pawdsquad.org/pages/Dylan.html >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > with the glamour shots. And Dan claims Conan is with a foster family, > more lies. A vicious cycle. snip You still do not know WHO actually placed the ad(s). Monica denies placing them. You do not know anything concrete. > > > http://www.pawdsquad.org/pages/Dylan.html > > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > And the next time I want you to speak I'll throw you a bone. Karen is a few french fries short of a happy mean, ifkwim. :) > > http://www.pawdsquad.org/pages/Dylan.html > > > One would think that you'd be happy there were many ads out, increasing > chances of a really good adoption. But you'd rather bitch and draw attention > to yourself. hey booger! he had a home lined up you need to lay off the crack pipe! I tried to wade through that "Dan lied" thread, but I just couldn't make it through all that, so I'm still trying to figure out what is going on. Seems like a lot of obfuscation and misstatement to me, but maybe that's not surprising given all this heat. In the end, nothing seems all that different to me, except that people are saying some pretty suprising things that I don't think are particularly true: I was a party to absolutely all the private e-mail correspondence about Conan, and spoke to Dan on his cell phone, and there was absolutely no abuse or rudeness or harassment, from Mary or anybody else. I posted a chunk of that material already so I'm not going to post it all over again, but the implication that Mary was anything but cordial and helpful, concerned about the kitty, open to whatever the group decided was best for Conan, and basically treating Dan like a God for doing this little thing is patently absurd. It doesn't even deserve a response, frankly, and sounds a lot like looking for a cover for some not particularly honest and forthright actions on his part. This back and forth about ad placement is another red herrring. If you take a look at the link Trish just put up, it is definitively Conan the cat, and he is the last and most recently added cat on the Pawdsquad site (of about 100 available). Pawdsquad is a reputable place and it is virtually impossible that they would accept such a listing for a private placement from someone who didn't have custody of the cat. The ads are assuredly being placed by the people who have Conan. Which leaves us right where we were before: A cat in a bad space, offered (4) homes by people touched by his story having his adoption delayed by another bunch of people who interfered without having a better option available and now have to try to place the cat themselves and take care of him in the meanwhile. If a home were actually lined up for Monday, then contacting Pawdsquad and getting this listing up would be a waste of time. It was put up today, as confirmed by the position of the cat as the last adoptable cat on the website. So the adopters have now refused the 4th home offered (Meghan's) and continue to attempt to place the cat while offering up various red herrings about abusive phone calls and adopters who don't seem to exist and ads that they deny placing. Silliness, if you ask me. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. Hopefully the cat will be placed in a home, eventually. It's taking a lot longer than it needed to. > I tried to wade through that "Dan lied" thread, but I just couldn't > make it through all that, so I'm still trying to figure out what is [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > Hopefully the cat will be placed in a home, eventually. It's taking a > lot longer than it needed to. Thank you TraceyRose, you've said everything I was thinking but was too peeved to type it all. It is completely unacceptable that Conan still does not have a home and that so many untruths and as you say "red herrings" are being spewed from those that are responsible. It amazes me that they can sleep at night. > > I tried to wade through that "Dan lied" thread, but I just couldn't > > make it through all that, so I'm still trying to figure out what is [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > being spewed from those that are responsible. It amazes me that they can > sleep at night. Ditto, ladies. It's all out of our hands now, anyway. >I was a party to absolutely all the private e-mail correspondence about >Conan, and spoke to Dan on his cell phone, and there was absolutely no >abuse or rudeness or harassment, from Mary or anybody else. FWIW, the rpca post I read sounded like Dan didn't know who was doing the harassment. That's why I asked why everyone on rpch+b was being kept out of the loop, since the harasser might not be a regular on either newsgroup. Usenet it full of crazies and someone could have thought it would be funny to try to throw a wrench in the works, just like some people think it's funny to make fun of dieters in the diet support groups, or harass people in the grief support groups. Maybe I missed someone specifically naming Mary as the harasser, but Dan's post didn't name anyone as the harasser. >site (of about 100 available). Pawdsquad is a reputable place and it is >virtually impossible that they would accept such a listing for a >private placement I hope that means Conan gets a good home. I'm not really involved in this but when I heard about Philip returning the cat to the shelter, I was all ready to send some money via Paypal to someone who could get him out and find him a home. I'm still really concerned about Conan, and I know feelings got hurt, but if he's in a good foster home who is placing ads in reputable places for him, I'm OK with that. I don't know why Meghan's offer was turned down, though, and that does concern me. Like you said, though, the situation now means the interest generated in Conan because of his Usenet story is lost. >Which leaves us right where we were before: A cat in a bad space, >offered (4) homes by people touched by his story We may not know why they were turned down. Like Nomen said yesterday, we don't know the reasons, at least for the first 3 homes. I don't know why they turned down Meghan's offer. I personally would like to see someone here on the group take Conan, though, but that's just a personal thing. >Hopefully the cat will be placed in a home, eventually. It's taking a >lot longer than it needed to. I don't think we can rule out the fact that there may have been some harassment and that the parties involved got panicky and withdrew because of it. There was already some high drama going on with the decision to take everything off the newsgroup and only letting certain people know what was going on. I can definitely see someone going farther and making a decision to do something secret. Stacia >FWIW, the rpca post I read sounded like Dan didn't know who was >doing the harassment. That's why I asked why everyone on rpch+b >was being kept out of the loop, since the harasser might not be a >regular on either newsgroup. Usenet it full of crazies and someone >could have thought it would be funny to try to throw a wrench in the >works, just like some people think it's funny to make fun of dieters in >the diet support groups, or harass people in the grief support groups. > Maybe I missed someone specifically naming Mary as the harasser, >but Dan's post didn't name anyone as the harasser. Sure. Indubitably. I toldja I got lost in all of those threads. >I'm not really involved in this but when I heard about Philip returning the >cat to the shelter, I was all ready to send some money via Paypal to >someone who could get him out and find him a home. I'm still >really concerned about Conan, and I know feelings got hurt, but if he's >in a good foster home who is placing ads in reputable places for him, >I'm OK with that. I don't know why Meghan's offer was turned down, >though, and that does concern me. Truthfully, I wasn't all that involved, myself, until pretty late in the game. just thought that it was really wonderful that this group, not usually a bastion of teamwork or constructive thinking, was going to engage in a joint project and do right by a kitty who got a bit of a raw deal. Whatever the merits of the offers, I thought and still think that it was really heartwarming that people offered homes to this little cat sight unseen and I wanted to help. I don't know that my feelings are all that hurt, and I certainly have said repeatedly that I don't think it's a tragedy (certainly not yet, anyway), but it does feel frustrating the project got overwhelmed by human competitiveness about who is the best rescuer of cats. I still think it was pretty unnecessary, on the whole. And I don't think anyone really knows why Meghan's two offers haven't been taken, or Greg's, for that matter. >Like you said, though, the situation now means the interest generated >in Conan because of his Usenet story is lost. Yeah - which was really his best ally in beating the odds. Every darn cat on that Pawdsquad's site has a pretty terrible story, some a great deal worse than Conan's. >If a home were actually lined up for Monday, then contacting Pawdsquad >and getting this listing up would be a waste of time. It was put up [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >various red herrings about abusive phone calls and adopters who don't >seem to exist and ads that they deny placing. Dylan's pawdsquad webpage was last modified on July 8th. Of course, we don't know when the information was submitted to the pawdsquad. Assuming the ad was found by searching Google for Monica's email address, keep in mind that Google is not instantaneous. It doesn't crawl every website every day. Even at that, if you look at the Google cache it says "This is G o o g l e's cache of http://www.pawdsquad.org/pages/Dylan.html as retrieved on Jul 12, 2005 21:49:07 GMT." So your last position on the page meaning the ad was put up yesterday doesn't really hold up. L > Dylan's pawdsquad webpage was last modified on July 8th. Of course, we > don't know when the information was submitted to the pawdsquad. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > L Google does crawl certain sites many times a day, like news and popular sites (for fresh results) > http://www.pawdsquad.org/pages/Dylan.html He is such a gorgeous boy! I think he is going to think he lives in a car, though. ;) > > http://www.pawdsquad.org/pages/Dylan.html > > He is such a gorgeous boy! I think he is going to think > he lives in a car, though. ;) He is indeed a beautiful cat. Sherry > > > http://www.pawdsquad.org/pages/Dylan.html > > > > He is such a gorgeous boy! I think he is going to think > > he lives in a car, though. ;) > > He is indeed a beautiful cat. I think Trish is right: "Sunny" is a good name for him. His personality comes through even in still shots. > I think Trish is right: "Sunny" is a good name for him. His > personality comes through even in still shots. Just a PSA kids. Carry on. -L. **paste** >>From: "Mary" <m...@catlover.com> >>Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >>X-Authenticated-User: $$qpb_ally_zjfguyemw >>X-Complaints-To: abuse@x-privat.org >>> Friday, June 3, 2005 >>> >>>I called the OC Animal Shelter to see about taking "Conan" in for his >>> first/free exam. >>Conan is a great name for this cat!!! > > I think Trish is right: "Sunny" is a good name for him. His > > personality comes through even in still shots. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > >>Conan is a great name for this cat!!! :) I just love watching you go around the bend. >> > I think Trish is right: "Sunny" is a good name for him. His >> > personality comes through even in still shots. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >:) I just love watching you go around the bend. I just hope they remember to raise the drawbridge, or she's gonna cause quite a pileup in the shipping lanes. Then, I hope she can fit through the gate, that's one wide barge we're talking about..... Wonder how that moderated group is coming along? eq > >> > I think Trish is right: "Sunny" is a good name for him. His > >> > personality comes through even in still shots. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > eq Unfortunately due to her merodramatic rants and total ignorance, she's already had to ban herself from her moderated group. One day Lynnie , it'll all make sense to you. > > >> > I think Trish is right: "Sunny" is a good name for him. His > > >> > personality comes through even in still shots. [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > already had to ban herself from her moderated group. One day Lynnie , it'll > all make sense to you. What I think is just amusing enough to give me a good chuckle from time to time all day today is the fact that she displays her stupidity with great enthusiasm, saving us the trouble of pointing it out. It made perfect sense for Conan to be a nice name for the cat before Philip abused him by sending him back when he got sick. Then I would have said *anything* was a good name for someone who had rescued a stray and was giving him a home. Now he does need a new name. Sunny's a good one. He *looks* like he has a sunny disposition, and all that gold! >Dylan's pawdsquad webpage was last modified on July 8th. Of course, >we don't know when the information was submitted to the pawdsquad. Page 6 of the list of adoptable cats. Last one entered. http://www.pawdsquad.org/availablecats6.html >I'm confused, is this where Conan is staying now? or is he still in a >kennel somewhere? I sure hope he gets adopted soon. I noticed there >are 13 orange kitties there. He's not staying at their shelter in Burbank. If he were, he'd be available by filling out the shelter's on-line adoption application, like all the other cats are. For Conan, you can't fill out that application, you have to e-mail cmtowle@shaw.ca. So it's still a private placement and he hasn't moved to a no-kill shelter. >> Dylan's pawdsquad webpage was last modified on July 8th. Of course, >we >> don't know when the information was submitted to the pawdsquad. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > application, you have to e-mail cmtowle@shaw.ca. So it's still a > private placement and he hasn't moved to a no-kill shelter. What a LOAD. You've got Mary's fabrication disease. No facts, no matter ... make up something and go with it. > >> > I think Trish is right: "Sunny" is a good name for him. His > >> > personality comes through even in still shots. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Wonder how that moderated group is coming along? Bonehead has returned to Plan A: "Get Mary to Stop Posting." Morons can be so tenacious. It's almost unfair. :'") > > http://www.pawdsquad.org/pages/Dylan.html > > He is such a gorgeous boy! I think he is going to think > he lives in a car, though. ;) I'm confused, is this where Conan is staying now? or is he still in a kennel somewhere? I sure hope he gets adopted soon. I noticed there are 13 orange kitties there. Lauren See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe > I'm confused, is this where Conan is staying now? or is he still in a > kennel somewhere? I sure hope he gets adopted soon. I noticed there > are 13 orange kitties there. I emailed the shelter. Most of their cats are in foster homes. So, I think Conan was just listed there, not physically there. And according to the shelter lady, "Dylan actually just recently got adopted, so I will have him moved to the adopted cats section." I'm surprised there is no announcement as it sounds like it is already done. I don't have time to read the group before work, but thought I would pass along what I learned. I know I will be having a better day today :) > > I'm confused, is this where Conan is staying now? or is he still in a > > kennel somewhere? I sure hope he gets adopted soon. I noticed there [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I know I will be having a better day today :) OMG, that's great news! Thanks for calling the shelter and finding this out. We were just about to leave the house so I'm glad I checked the group :) Lauren See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe > PawsForThought wrote:. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I know I will be having a better day today :) Wow, that's great! I'm sure Monica will post this news...I would think so anyway. Hope it's accurate info. Candace >Wow, that's great! I'm sure Monica will post this news...I would think >so anyway. Hope it's accurate info. > >Candace I hope Conan has a long and prosperous life, and I'll bet he will. None of this controversy matters in terms of the outcome for Conan. But it taught me a lot. I learned there are some malicious, scheming crocodiles lurking in these waters. One of them decided to f.ck with my head, purely for entertainment purposes as far as I can tell. Well, I am here for entertainment too. Charlie > >Wow, that's great! I'm sure Monica will post this news...I would think > >so anyway. Hope it's accurate info. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Charlie Usenet is a wild and weird place. :) You have to earn your spoon. And it is a great place to learn about human behavior of a certain sort. Where else do you have people interacting free of the fear of censorship or repercussions. (Although of course both can happen.) I think youngsters who participate in it (say teens and later) will be better equipped to protect themselves than other kids might, in the real world. That said, it is not for sissies! >> >Wow, that's great! I'm sure Monica will post this news...I would think >> >so anyway. Hope it's accurate info. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >of censorship or repercussions. (Although of course both can >happen.) The way to work around these netcopping pinheads is to post on-topic. It will be a good project for the summer to put up web pages and talk about them here. The scene on the commune is almost too cute for words, with the kid and the animals. Tweaker is the perfect cat to hang around the house, because he enjoys the constant social activity and all the dogs. He is the dog-friendliest cat I've ever seen. He got along with Joey and Chuck Berry just fine. Joey is a little intimidated by him. He wants to go outdoors, and I might rig up some kind of chicken wire enclosure for him. He lived outdoors for years, but I think he has used up about 8.9 lives. Charlie >I think youngsters who participate in it (say teens and later) will be >better equipped to protect themselves than other kids might, in the >real world. > >That said, it is not for sissies! > >> >Wow, that's great! I'm sure Monica will post this news...I would think > >> >so anyway. Hope it's accurate info. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > The way to work around these netcopping pinheads is to post on-topic. It is an unmoderated group. The people there labor under the false impression that anyone but they themselves give a poop whether or not they themselves engage in conversation with others. Seems to me the group could use some new blood. Perhaps lots of new people will chime in. There are often many lurkers who feel too intimidated (by the "private club" atmosphere perpetuated by the sad freaks who use these groups as if they were member-only) to post. > It will be a good project for the summer to put up web pages and talk > about them here. The scene on the commune is almost too cute for > words, with the kid and the animals. I look forward to it, as I am sure the good rpca folks do! I want to know how you came to be there. You mentioned an inheritance? And what are the people like there? I am very curious about this place. > Tweaker is the perfect cat to hang around the house, because he enjoys > the constant social activity and all the dogs. He is the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > enclosure for him. He lived outdoors for years, but I think he has > used up about 8.9 lives. Equalizer had rigged a really nice outdoor enclosure. Maybe he would tell you about it, and post some pics. > > >> >Wow, that's great! I'm sure Monica will post this news...I would > think [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > (by the "private club" atmosphere perpetuated by the sad freaks who use > these groups as if they were member-only) to post. If they keep us all blacklisted then we'll have two groups going inside there. Can get highly entertaining I think! > > > >> >Wow, that's great! I'm sure Monica will post this news...I would > > think [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > If they keep us all blacklisted then we'll have two groups going inside > there. Can get highly entertaining I think! Hewwo! Say, I thought I was keeping up I see the title "triple-phd bleh blah blah" So that's the word? do we have pics? You know, it's been bs, after bs aaargh! I mean, this is just the word right. Cause far be it from big head Dan or Suga foot to produce anything less. --- The world may never know. why couldn't it be some widow in a modest home on a retired income Why, education, money, house.. it's bullshit I'M CALLING BULLSHIT <SNIP> >> He wants to go outdoors, and I might rig up some kind of chicken wire >> enclosure for him. He lived outdoors for years, but I think he has >> used up about 8.9 lives. > >Equalizer had rigged a really nice outdoor enclosure. Maybe he would >tell you about it, and post some pics. Glad to -- it's a commercial solution based on deer fence -- this is the web site: http://purrfectfence.com/ It was pretty easy to put up. I found out I didn't need the "Houdini" version, my cats have never even attempted to test it vertically. I also tested it early on before the cats were allowed in with a Have-a -Hart trap and gray squirrels. Out of 12 (I think) squirrels, only one was able to get out. Here's the pictures: http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/enclosure_1.jpg http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/enclosure_2.jpg http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/enclosure_4.jpg http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/enclosure_5.jpg http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/enclosure_6.jpg http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/visitor_1.jpg http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/visitor_2.jpg Sometimes wildlife gets into the shelter, and they bring it into the house: http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/snake_1.jpg http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/snake_2.jpg Oh my gosh...what a pretty grass and trees! What area of the country are you in? Very delicate and leafy greenery....LUCKY cats!!! ><SNIP> > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/snake_1.jpg >http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/snake_2.jpg ><SNIP> > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/snake_1.jpg >http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/snake_2.jpg I like the look of this enclosure, but I am slightly concerned that the gauge of the screen is too large. I tend to think chicken wire is a little better. It looks like a small kitten might be able to get his head stuck in there. I am rigging up a quick-and-dirty dome out of chickenwire and poly pipe that I can move around and plop over a small bush. What you have there might inspire me to go for a more extensive project. I think I would dig in 8' 2x4s and coat the underground part with plasticized tar. I would brace the corners and run a flat 2x4 header all the way around the top and between posts at 5' intervals, so I could cover the whole thing rather than try to fabricate a complex bend at the top of the fence. It would be nice to have a facility that I could use to hold cats safely and comfortably -- especially freaked-out ferals. I felt so sorry for that damn bathroom cat this spring. He's doing fine now, though, fat and sassy and free as the breeze. I don't think I will pay $6/ft. I'm thinking more like $1-$2/ft. Charlie > It is an unmoderated group. The people there labor under the false > impression that anyone but they themselves give a poop whether or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > (by the "private club" atmosphere perpetuated by the sad freaks who use > these groups as if they were member-only) to post. Maybe now that all this is over things will get back to normal. I've actually been looking through the posts for something worthy a reply. Perhaps some of the regulars will come back and participate. -Kelly >> It is an unmoderated group. The people there labor under the false >> impression that anyone but they themselves give a poop whether or [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -Kelly yeah. Now we can get back to "Food Wars". > yeah. Now we can get back to "Food Wars". Ugh, I don't even read the food wars anymore. I just look at the threads once in a while to see how long they've gotten. -Kelly > > yeah. Now we can get back to "Food Wars". > > Ugh, I don't even read the food wars anymore. I just look at the threads > once in a while to see how long they've gotten. > > -Kelly There's always indoor/ out door cat wars <BEG> Alison > I hope Conan has a long and prosperous life, and I'll bet he will. I hope so too:) > None of this controversy matters in terms of the outcome for Conan. > But it taught me a lot. I learned there are some malicious, scheming > crocodiles lurking in these waters. One of them decided to f.ck with > my head, purely for entertainment purposes as far as I can tell. > Well, I am here for entertainment too. >>. Charlie , Not sure what you mean by this but if you are refering to Dan removing Conan then it was done after it was decided not to rehome him with you . So you not adopting Conan is not his fault. I'm sorry you're upset about it. Alison >> I hope Conan has a long and prosperous life, and I'll bet he will. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > you're upset about it. > Alison Alison: It has a lot more to do with Bloody Mary's star performance as treacherous old shrew ... and not limited to Bloody Mary. >> I hope Conan has a long and prosperous life, and I'll bet he will. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >you're upset about it. > Alison This is a murky summary of the record, broadly accurate but with misplaced emphasis. I have too much self-respect to compete seriously for the prize of a stray cat. I could take another cat, but I don't need one to make my life work. When others expressed an interest, I quickly said "fine," and meant it. I said it publicly and on the private email list. So why did Dan pretend to be working cooperatively with a group of four other people, of whom I was one, only to terminate that relationship with a colorful fable about being stuck in traffic and searching the shelter to confirm that Conan was not there??? That is the issue that gives rise to my continuing interest in Dan's Usenet career. Rather than be upset, I think it is better just to hang out in RPCA and warn newbies about what a shithead Dan is. It will be fun and entertaining. Charlie > >> I hope Conan has a long and prosperous life, and I'll bet he will. > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > hang out in RPCA and warn newbies about what a shithead Dan is. It > will be fun and entertaining. Charlie, meet Alison. Alison is stump-stupid. >> Charlie, meet Alison. Alison is stump-stupid.>>>>>> Not as stupid as to say something like this "None of them is very large--the African Gray might be the largest, but they are close enough in size to cockatiels for it to be a toss up* * Thats* stump stupid. Alison >>> I hope Conan has a long and prosperous life, and I'll bet he will. >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Charlie So ... while you do not need to make one cat your life's work, you are going to take on warning neebies about Dan as .... a life's work. How does that sound? >> That is the issue that gives rise to my continuing interest in Dan's >> Usenet career. Rather than be upset, I think it is better just to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >to take on warning neebies about Dan as .... a life's work. How does that >sound? It sounds like nonsense. This is not a life's work. It's just a way to kill time on Usenet. Isn't that why we are all here??? Charlie > >> That is the issue that gives rise to my continuing interest in Dan's > >> Usenet career. Rather than be upset, I think it is better just to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It sounds like nonsense. This is not a life's work. It's just a way > to kill time on Usenet. Isn't that why we are all here??? :) >> So why did Dan pretend to be working cooperatively with a group of > four other people, of whom I was one, only to terminate that > relationship with a colorful fable about being stuck in traffic and > searching the shelter to confirm that Conan was not there???>> As far as I can see you were allegely turned down therefore Conan didn't have a home. If Conan was going to another home why would you be involved in the arrangemnts? Why was Dan still asked to get the cat if it didn't have a home. I assume to be taken to a place of safety, which he did any way . Alison > >> So why did Dan pretend to be working cooperatively with a group of > > four other people, of whom I was one, only to terminate that [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > a place of safety, which he did any way . > Alison Just to clarify Dan was asked to get the cat in order to transport him to his new home (as he lived closest to the shelter), which at the time of the request was Charlie's home. After Dan picked up the cat Traceyrose and Rhonda were taking over the transport via air from that point forward. > "> > > > >> > As far as I can see you were allegely turned down [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > >> Just to clarify Dan was asked to get the cat in order to transport him to > his new home (as he lived closest to the shelter), which at the time of the > request was Charlie's home. After Dan picked up the cat Traceyrose and > Rhonda were taking over the transport via air from that point forward.>>> That was the original plan but there were some doubts that Charlie was the right owner for Conan and I understood it that Conan would be found another home and Dan would remove Conan from the County shelter in case he was in danger of being PTS and placed in another cattery while it was sorted. There were a couple of other offers that were possibilities ie Meghans sister. Dan removed Conan and Monica took over the rehoming with out telling anyone. It looks like he has been rehomed and I hope we will see some photos so we can reassure ourselves he is fine and well. It would have been nice if Meghan's offer of a home had been taken. Alison > > "> > > > > >> > As far as I can see you were allegely turned down [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > offer of a home had been taken. > Alison I agree with you, Meghan does seem like a very good pet owner, it's unfortunate Conan wasn't placed with her, he may even have enjoyed the company of her other cats. Photos would be nice, even just a few with a little write up saying how he's adjusting :) > "> > > >> > As far as I can see you were allegely turned down > > > > therefore Conan didn't have a home. If Conan was going to another [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > company of her other cats. Photos would be nice, even just a few with a > little write up saying how he's adjusting :)>. Sorry you were right, Mary lead RPCH&B to believe that they were still looking for an owner for Conan and Dan lead Mary to believe that he was going to take him to the airport or drive him to his new home . I hope it will be confirmed that he has a new home. Alison > > "> > > >> > As far as I can see you were allegely turned down > > > > > therefore Conan didn't have a home. If Conan was going to [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > I hope it will be confirmed that he has a new home. > Alison On the pawd website he is still listed as adoptable, prhaps its not updated. Mary led people to believe Conan still needed a home for justifiable reasons, things were getting out of whack on h+b and they wanted to move quietly as it was feared phillip would readopt the cat to spite everyone. That was obvious in the posting, such as the ones telling a certain few to check their e-mails for a special mail. It ws evident a secret plan was being developed. As for Dan he lead everyone to believe he was taking Conan to the airport or wherever the plan was, and to date has given no reason as to why he shagged everyone so royally. I'm guessing peer pressure, no spine and inconsideration cpmbined with an undernourished ego are his reasons. But as stated for all those lawyers who may cry slanderous comments, this is simply my opinion. "Trish" <trish_d@sympatico.ca> wrote> > > On the pawd website he is still listed as adoptable, prhaps its not updated. That is what the lady there told Meghan yesterday via email. > Mary led people to believe Conan still needed a home for justifiable > reasons, things were getting out of whack on h+b and they wanted to move > quietly as it was feared phillip would readopt the cat to spite everyone. Actually, we were still looking, as everyone agreed that a local home would be better for Conan due to the trauma of travel. Charlie always said that if we could find a local home he would not mind. So I had answered an email from Greg in San Diego, and was waiting to hear from him the night before Dan was to go and get the cat. It actually was still up in the air. But in once sense, you are right: no matter whether it was Greg, Meghan's sister, or Charlie, we did actually have a home for the cat, we had just not decided on who. What we would never have done was leave him in a cage for over two weeks. That was just cruel. > "Trish" <trish_d@sympatico.ca> wrote> > >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > What we would never have done was leave him in a cage for over two > weeks. That was just cruel. In fact you would have left him in the OC Shelter (even offering the shelter money to board him) whilst you bickered and screwed around with secondary matters of flight coordinations and homefinding efforts while Conan languished in the OC Shelter confines. > On the pawd website he is still listed as adoptable, prhaps its not > updated. > Mary led people to believe Conan still needed a home for justifiable > reasons, things were getting out of whack on h+b and they wanted to move > quietly as it was feared phillip would readopt the cat to spite everyone. snip What a huge ... well let me just use the word ... liar .. you are Trish. I did offer to get over to OC Shelter and pickup Conan if your people could not get the job done in time. Even though it was in jest, Bloody Mary said "you may be my only hope." > > On the pawd website he is still listed as adoptable, prhaps its not > > updated. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > not get the job done in time. Even though it was in jest, Bloody Mary said > "you may be my only hope." ahhhhh it's feeding time and phillip is allowed out of his cage for an hour phillip don't try to jerk this around, the bottom line is you taunted and taunted, even boasted that you would go readopt Conan. Perhaps in jest, but with your psychotic imbalance and alzheimers how could one know for sure >> > On the pawd website he is still listed as adoptable, prhaps its not >> > updated. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > phillip don't try to jerk this around, Don't have to. Google is at everyone's disposal so .... you cannot control what was written at the time it was written. > the bottom line is you taunted and > taunted, even boasted that you would go readopt Conan. snip Sure did! I was taunted, screamed at, cursed relentlessly, and leveled judgement against by numerous self appointed holier-than-thous for not consulting them for spiritual and medical guidance before returning Conan to the Shelter. "You" can dish it out but taking "it" is viewed at "taunting." Typical double standard. > >> > On the pawd website he is still listed as adoptable, prhaps its not > >> > updated. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > the Shelter. "You" can dish it out but taking "it" is viewed at "taunting." > Typical double standard. I can take it pretty well in most cases, provided the other person is being factual and responding to not only the post but within the proper context. And I stand firmly that you took many things out of context to justify your reasoning for things. As well, you intentionally taunted the group with a knowledge that you could not and would not support, such as having information about Conan's wherabouts. :) I do so hope you enjoy the rest of your day >>>>> On the pawd website he is still listed as adoptable, prhaps its not >>>>> updated. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > context. And I stand firmly that you took many things out of context to > justify your reasoning for things. Specifics ... if you can summon them. > As well, you intentionally taunted > the group with a knowledge that you could not and would not support, such > as having information about Conan's wherabouts. All in your pretty little head, little lady. I had knowledge which if shared at that time would have been detrimental in enemy hands. Monica's coordination and alliances got Conan out of harms way and into a qualified home with little fanfare. Case closed. > :) I do so hope you enjoy the rest of your day > Mary led people to believe Conan still needed a home for justifiable > reasons, things were getting out of whack on h+b and they wanted to move > quietly as it was feared phillip would readopt the cat to spite everyone. Hmm. This is classic. This is the low-down skinny? Mary lied to the group because "things were getting out of whack." Justifiable. For the greater good. Yes. Of course. Then Dan lied. For the good of the cat but; sadly, that makes him the Devil. Oh what a terrible tangled web. Can we go back to the food wars and the "Outdoor owners are the devil" now? Sherry >> Mary led people to believe Conan still needed a home for justifiable >> reasons, things were getting out of whack on h+b and they wanted to move [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Justifiable. For the greater good. Yes. Of course. I thought Mary's "cover story" was unnecessary, but she posted it hoping to discourage further action by an anonymous, hostile meddler who posted to the group and who claimed to be in contact with the shelter. No one who trusted Mary was led to distrust her by these posts. >Then Dan lied. For the good of the cat but; sadly, that makes him the >Devil. What good did his lies do the cat? At the time he told his biggest whopper, he had the cat in his possession and no one could do anything about it. Your logic doesn't work. Charlie > > "> > > >> > As far as I can see you were allegely turned down > > > > > therefore Conan didn't have a home. If Conan was going to [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > Sorry you were right, Mary lead RPCH&B to believe that they were > still looking for an owner for Conan We were, you flaming a.shole. This has all been posted before. If you cannot muster the skills to read the messages, why bother? Dan was waiting with us to hear from Greg in San Diego, and said he would drive Conan to him. Charlie agreed that a local owner would be better so that Conan could be saved the trauma of traveling. You are just such an icky, petty, nasty, small-minded little bitch. and Dan lead Mary to believe that > he was going to take him to the airport or drive him to his new home > . > I hope it will be confirmed that he has a new home. > Alison I hope you will grow up and grow some sort of human soul, but I am not going to hold my breath on that one you bag of crap. > > Sorry you were right, Mary lead RPCH&B to believe that they were > > still looking for an owner for Conan [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I hope you will grow up and grow some sort of human soul, but > I am not going to hold my breath on that one you bag of crap.>>> You sound a bit cross, Mary Alison:) >> > "> > > >> > As far as I can see you were allegely turned down >> > > > > therefore Conan didn't have a home. If Conan was going to [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > I hope you will grow up and grow some sort of human soul, but > I am not going to hold my breath on that one you bag of crap. >> > "> > > >> > As far as I can see you were allegely turned down >> > > > > therefore Conan didn't have a home. If Conan was going to [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > I hope you will grow up and grow some sort of human soul, but > I am not going to hold my breath on that one you bag of crap. Typical Bloody Mary ... all bile and venom when her foolishness is revealed. >> "> > > >> >> > As far as I can see you were allegely turned down [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >over the rehoming with out telling anyone. It looks like he has been >rehomed and I hope we will see some photos so we can reassure Don't bet on it. >ourselves he is fine and well. It would have been nice if Meghan's >offer of a home had been taken. I sure thought so. Meghan likes to put up web pages, and she is part of a family of animal lovers who help each other out. The cat would have been in good hands, and it would have been a fun story for the group to follow. I think it is perfectly valid to piss on these surly killjoys who think no home not chosen by them is good enough. Charlie > >> "> > > > >> >> > As far as I can see you were allegely turned down [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > I think it is perfectly valid to piss on these surly killjoys who > think no home not chosen by them is good enough. Not only that, but it is on-topic! I got yer ANECDOTE right here! :) >>> So why did Dan pretend to be working cooperatively with a group of >> four other people, of whom I was one, only to terminate that [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > a place of safety, which he did any way . > Alison Alison: You have not been paying attention to what matters. Do keep up! Charlie was not involved in finding a home for Conan. Charlie did offer his own home. Dan volunteered to get Conan out of the OC Shelter because he was the closest, most trusted, soul available to perform that task. There was a "review date" only a day or two away which put Conan at risk of being euthanized ... supposedly. Fact of the matter was at that time (June 29), Conan's health, disposition, and age did not put him in any immediate danger of being euthanized. But a little hysteria motivated those most capable of physically getting Conan out of the shelter before June 29. To a person with mental clarity, it was more important to get Conan out of harms way and then find him a home than it was to leave him in the OC Shelter while first finding him a home. The parties with mental clarity acted accordingly while the "first-find-a-home" group dawdled. >>>> So why did Dan pretend to be working cooperatively with a group of >>> four other people, of whom I was one, only to terminate that [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >Shelter while first finding him a home. The parties with mental clarity >acted accordingly while the "first-find-a-home" group dawdled. Why did Dan pretend to be working in cooperation with this group of supposed dawdlers? Why did he find it necessary to lie to them after "rescuing" the cat? Charlie > >>>> So why did Dan pretend to be working cooperatively with a group of > >>> four other people, of whom I was one, only to terminate that [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Charlie >>>>> So why did Dan pretend to be working cooperatively with a group of >>>> four other people, of whom I was one, only to terminate that [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Charlie Dan already addessed these questions. >>>>>> So why did Dan pretend to be working cooperatively with a group of >>>>> four other people, of whom I was one, only to terminate that [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >Dan already addessed these questions. He has broadly suggested that the interests of the cat forced him to behave as he did. But that doesn't pass the sniff test, Philip. You know that as well as I do. I have noticed that many people in these groups have onerous requirements of their fellow netizens. Mustn't post porno links, mustn't cross-post, mustn't this and that. I have recently felt the lash of their censure. But I'm not like these churlish global villagers with their virtual pitchforks. I am more enlightened and broad-minded. I have only ONE requirement: intellectual honesty. It is all I ever ask of anyone. Charlie snip >>> Why did Dan pretend to be working in cooperation with this group of >>> supposed dawdlers? Why did he find it necessary to lie to them after [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > behave as he did. But that doesn't pass the sniff test, Philip. You > know that as well as I do. snip > Charlie Then sniff another part of the body that does not smell like Bloody Mary. > But I'm not like these churlish global villagers with their virtual > pitchforks. Hahahahaha!!!!! I love this image!! It is dramatic but accurate! I am more enlightened and broad-minded. I have only ONE > requirement: intellectual honesty. It is all I ever ask of anyone. That is a lot to ask of many people. However, you ought to like the hell out of me. :) I am capable of lying to myself, like everyone else, but I do work hard not to. My penchant for busting bubbles gets me into trouble. (I feel a country music song coming on!) > >>>>>> So why did Dan pretend to be working cooperatively with a group of > >>>>> four other people, of whom I was one, only to terminate that [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Charlie I'm way too forgetful to be able to lie. I wouldn't be able to remember what I said to whom. I find that if I just stick to the truth I don't have to worry about getting caught in a lie. And if I lied to myself that would take away the fun I have laughing at all my foibles! Hugs, CatNipped > > >>>>>> So why did Dan pretend to be working cooperatively with a group of > > >>>>> four other people, of whom I was one, only to terminate that [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > to worry about getting caught in a lie. And if I lied to myself that would > take away the fun I have laughing at all my foibles! Same here. >>> So why did Dan pretend to be working cooperatively with a group of >> four other people, of whom I was one, only to terminate that [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >a place of safety, which he did any way . > Alison They continued to include me on the list as a courtesy, even after the consensus was that the cat would go elsewhere. The others felt I had helped get the ball rolling. They -- Mary, Rhonda and Tracy -- were going to a lot of trouble to line up options for Conan. They had what would have been a good one in San Diego, with another in Seattle if that fell through. Why did Dan write supportive emails and express confidence they were on the right track, and then abruptly cease all communication after telling a whopping fat lie? It was a needless burning of bridges. Dan could have simply announced a decisiont to put Monica in charge of the cat rather than a committee. People might have quibbled with his judgement, but no one could have assailed his integrity. Lies, secrecy to cover up lies, and eventual backpeddling, are what caused the controversy. Dan and Monica's pious disdain for all of the possible homes suggested within the group didn't help either. Dan thinks these people are good enough to help pay his tab at the vet, but he doesn't think they are good enough to deserve the truth or adopt a normal stray cat. That doesn't wash. Charlie > >>> So why did Dan pretend to be working cooperatively with a group of > >> four other people, of whom I was one, only to terminate that [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Charlie > I have too much self-respect to compete seriously for the prize of a > stray cat. I could take another cat, but I don't need one to make my > life work. When others expressed an interest, I quickly said "fine," > and meant it. I said it publicly and on the private email list. Then why are you still whining? Posting webpages that say "Happy pets are the best revenge" and such? Looks a lot like a huge case of sour grapes. -L. >> I have too much self-respect to compete seriously for the prize of a >> stray cat. I could take another cat, but I don't need one to make my [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >-L. Why relenquish a grudge on Usenet? Where is the fun in that? Not all of us can rise above pettiness as successfully as you, Lyn. Charlie > >> I have too much self-respect to compete seriously for the prize of a > >> stray cat. I could take another cat, but I don't need one to make my [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Charlie ROTFLMAOWTIME!!!!! Hugs, CatNipped > >> I have too much self-respect to compete seriously for the prize of a > >> stray cat. I could take another cat, but I don't need one to make my [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Not all of us can rise above pettiness as successfully as you, Lyn. Damn, Charlie. :) You just warm the cockle of my heart sometimes. >>> I have too much self-respect to compete seriously for the prize of a >>> stray cat. I could take another cat, but I don't need one to make my [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Charlie An excellent observation or .... low brow satire. Which? >;^ / >>>> I have too much self-respect to compete seriously for the prize of a >>>> stray cat. I could take another cat, but I don't need one to make my [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >An excellent observation or .... low brow satire. Which? >;^ / Yes. > That is the issue that gives rise to my continuing interest in Dan's > Usenet career. Rather than be upset, I think it is better just to > hang out in RPCA and warn newbies about what a shithead Dan is. It > will be fun and entertaining. Only problem with that is there are hardly any newbies in the Stepford Group. Their clique-y-ness and inside jokes/info make it user-unfriendly to most new people who venture in there. I haven't posted there much but, when I have, basically the only respondees have been those who I know from rpchb who either post to both groups or who have left rpchb but remember me from here. It's hard to break into the inner sanctum of the kinder, gentler cat newsgroup, imo. Plus, I have no cooking skills or interests so I have no recipes to share... Candace Candace, that made me laugh. The Stepford Group? I also have no recipes or no interest in recipes. I still post in that group about cats once in awhile. I used to belong to a fluffier group where the people were all so friendly and knew each other so well that they posted off-topic constantly. Sometimes that's a safe haven, and sometimes it's annoying. A lot of time was spent wishing each other's animals happy birthday. Rhonda > Only problem with that is there are hardly any newbies in the Stepford > Group. Their clique-y-ness and inside jokes/info make it [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Candace > > That is the issue that gives rise to my continuing interest in Dan's > > Usenet career. Rather than be upset, I think it is better just to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Group. Their clique-y-ness and inside jokes/info make it > user-unfriendly to most new people who venture in there. snip > Candace lol I love that... could not have said it better myself > > > That is the issue that gives rise to my continuing interest in Dan's > > > Usenet career. Rather than be upset, I think it is better just to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > lol I love that... could not have said it better myself But you know, this could change. It may be time for it to change. It is never good for people to get to proprietary over newsgroups. One would not want the sweet people at anecdotes to truly believe that they have a right to control the content of the group. That would not be fair to them. It would only mean a ruder awakening later on. There are, after all, anecdotes about cats in many groups. We wouldn't want the rpca folks to miss any. Another thought: when they post recipes, I think we should share them with the cooking groups! We could make many more people happy this way! Spreading happiness is a good thing. :) I am feeling happier already. > > > > That is the issue that gives rise to my continuing interest in Dan's > > > > Usenet career. Rather than be upset, I think it is better just to [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Spreading happiness is a good thing. :) I am feeling happier > already. lol me too, as happy as a kitten in fresh litter :) >> > > > That is the issue that gives rise to my continuing interest in Dan's >> > > > Usenet career. Rather than be upset, I think it is better just to [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >lol me too, as happy as a kitten in fresh litter :) I think you are catching the drift here. RPCA is chock-full of people needing a broader cultural perspective, i.e., rich targets. I would like to offer some advice, if I may be so bold. The great and widespread weakness of people on Usenet is their tendency to present a flattering, or even grandiose, self-image. It doesn't matter whether or not they are essentially truthful. Simply by noting the points on which people advertise themselves as superior beings -- e.g., Monica's "uncompromising" standards -- one acquires a list of points vulnerable to attack. I had a guy tell me, "I've got a good job, girlfriend, nice car, blah blah blah," and from then on, I hounded him with that data. "So, let's see some pix of this girlfriend, eh? I'll bet she's a pig." I follow two overarching rules for successful discussion: 1. Always play offense. 2. Never get angry. Let the other person get angry. The cross-posting is a good idea. Most recipe collectors will have cats. Also, I think we can put our thinking caps on and crank out a few riveting anecdotes. Anyone got a pair of kittens they want to name "Dan" and "Monica"? Charlie > Most recipe collectors will have cats. Haha, what does that mean?!?!?!?!?! Sounds sexist ;) Candace >> Most recipe collectors will have cats. > > Haha, what does that mean?!?!?!?!?! Sounds sexist ;) > > Candace Hey .... virtually all murders ate carrots during the four months preceding their crime! > >> > > > That is the issue that gives rise to my continuing interest in Dan's > >> > > > Usenet career. Rather than be upset, I think it is better just to [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > Charlie lol I love it. ok, no more angry posts from me, and I'll curb my attitude. I even have some cute stories to tell... about cats. snip >> I follow two overarching rules for successful discussion: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > lol I love it. ok, no more angry posts from me, and I'll curb my attitude. > I even have some cute stories to tell... about cats. I bet you violate that promise in the next 24 hrs. LOL But a pretty pussy story would be a nice change. >> >> > > > That is the issue that gives rise to my continuing >> >> > > > interest in [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > attitude. > I even have some cute stories to tell... about cats. >> >> > > > That is the issue that gives rise to my continuing interest in >Dan's [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] >lol I love it. ok, no more angry posts from me, and I'll curb my attitude. >I even have some cute stories to tell... about cats. Don't misunderstand me. Angry posts are not the same as anger that you feel. It is that latter that leads to misjudgement. As for attitude, the worse the better as far as I'm concerned. Charlie > > That is the issue that gives rise to my continuing interest in Dan's > > Usenet career. Rather than be upset, I think it is better just to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Group. Their clique-y-ness and inside jokes/info make it > user-unfriendly to most new people who venture in there. I am beginning to suspect that it is time for that to change. > I haven't posted there much but, when I have, basically the only > respondees have been those who I know from rpchb who e |
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