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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / July 2005Loudmouthed Siamese cat vs. recent move to Scottsdale
I recently relocated to an apartment in sunny hellacious Scottsdale Arizona starting a new job. Right now lows are around 80-90, highs around 105-115. I never leave him outside when I'm at work and always put out fresh water every morning. When Mongo isn't happy, he meows really loudly and nearly continously. When he's inside, he wants outside, when outside he wants to come back in within a few minutes. Going in and out as much as 10 times in an hour! He can't be made into an indoor cat. My wife once tried that and I had to tell her that she had to back down when she was ready to strangle him. On a bad day, he'll just sit inside and howl. On a good day he'll get the attention of a neighbor's todler and lavish in the attention. Here's some pictures of him enjoying a toddler's company back in Colorado. http://members.cox.net/adamf663/eloy_and_mongo_1.jpg http://members.cox.net/adamf663/eloy_and_mongo_2.jpg http://members.cox.net/adamf663/eloy_and_mongo_3.jpg One time eloy was running around a tree in the front yard draging one of those fishing pole/feather toys behind him. He and mongo went around that tree about 40 times. Then they both came inside and slept for a half hour. Then they both went outside and mongo chased eloy around the tree some more but this time without the cat toy. As a siamese cat, when mongo isn't happy, nobody else is allowed to be happy. > I recently relocated to an apartment in sunny hellacious Scottsdale Arizona > starting a new job. Right now lows are around 80-90, highs around 105-115. I [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > As a siamese cat, when mongo isn't happy, nobody else is allowed to be happy. Well, apparently, you need to rent a child. > I recently relocated to an apartment in sunny hellacious Scottsdale Arizona > starting a new job. Right now lows are around 80-90, highs around 105-115. I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > into an indoor cat. My wife once tried that and I had to tell her that she had > to back down when she was ready to strangle him. I live in sunny, hellacious Phoenix and work in sunny, hellacious Scottsdale. I like it, though; I think it's a lovely, fun town (Phoenix, not Scottsdale, it's too full of itself). I have a constant whining cat, too, and he's not even Siamese; he's a tux but he must have some Siamese in him because he rarely shuts up and it's a fairly abrasive meow. He's an indoor cat, though, as are my others. He does go out on a walking jacket sometimes; maybe you could train Mongo to do that. I'd be worried about him going out unless he stays very close by. It seems as though there are a lot of animal mishaps in this area. See my cats, especially Marbles with his walking jacket (he's the loud one): http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/maccandace/ Candace >I live in sunny, hellacious Phoenix and work in sunny, hellacious >Scottsdale. I like it, though; I think it's a lovely, fun town >(Phoenix, not Scottsdale, it's too full of itself). I'm in the south-eastern part of scottsdale, practically Mesa (McDowell within 1/2 mile west of the indian reservation ) and like it a lot. Everything I need is within a 10 minute walk or 5 minute bike ride. Plenty of old family owned business. The apartment I got is in the center of the complex so there's no audible traffic. Mongo the kind of cat who howl for me to make it not so damn hot outside. If he doesn't like the weather at one door, he'll try the other. Me-in, Me-out, Me-in, Me-out! > >I live in sunny, hellacious Phoenix and work in sunny, hellacious > >Scottsdale. I like it, though; I think it's a lovely, fun town [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > business. The apartment I got is in the center of the complex so there's no > audible traffic. Oh, south Scottsdale is okay; it's north Scottsdale that has the attitude and that's where I work. > Mongo the kind of cat who howl for me to make it not so damn hot outside. If he > doesn't like the weather at one door, he'll try the other. > Me-in, Me-out, Me-in, Me-out! Cute! Candace >> I live in sunny, hellacious Phoenix and work in sunny, hellacious >> Scottsdale. I like it, though; I think it's a lovely, fun town [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If he doesn't like the weather at one door, he'll try the other. > Me-in, Me-out, Me-in, Me-out! Design a remote controlled door opener. >>> I live in sunny, hellacious Phoenix and work in sunny, hellacious >>> Scottsdale. I like it, though; I think it's a lovely, fun town [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> If he doesn't like the weather at one door, he'll try the other. >> Me-in, Me-out, Me-in, Me-out! >Design a remote controlled door opener. I actually have considered a pet-door mounted in the patio door. They're as tall as the patio door, are mounted permanently and the patio door is securely stopped to prevent burglars from getting in that way. The only problem for me is coming up with the $300 for a decent quality one. I can't leave the patio door open as bugs come inside -- houseflies and mosquitoes. So I let mongo in and out up to 10 times an hour.... > I recently relocated to an apartment in sunny hellacious Scottsdale > Arizona starting a new job. Right now lows are around 80-90, highs around [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > As a siamese cat, when mongo isn't happy, nobody else is allowed to be > happy. It looks like those two are happy together. They are a handsome pair. MLB How sad.... It sounds like your Mongo needs a friend. Maybe you and your wife need to start having kids... hahaha! ... Like Mongo isn't enough right now? =) Have you thought about getting him a playmate? On the topic of AZ... My husband were born and raised in S. CA. We were thinking about moving out to Scottsdale sometime next year... You don't seem to be too thrilled about being there? Do you have any advice or opinions you would want to share about AZ with us??? =) >How sad.... It sounds like your Mongo needs a friend. Maybe you and >your wife need to start having kids... hahaha! ... Like Mongo isn't >enough right now? =) Have you thought about getting him a playmate? Right now I'm in temporary housing; I immediately relocated to an apartment with just enough stuff for *me* to live comfortable. Mongo is bored and hates the heat. His joy is when I have the attention to lavish upon him and when kids do the same. >On the topic of AZ... My husband were born and raised in S. CA. We >were thinking about moving out to Scottsdale sometime next year... You >don't seem to be too thrilled about being there? Do you have any >advice or opinions you would want to share about AZ with us??? =) No. I still haven't adjusted. The day to me is totally upside down, like working third-shift. In a winter climate when you're stuck inside, you can go outside around the middle of the day and always bundle up. I grew up in connecticut, and have lived in orange county california, albuquerque, and the last ten years in denver. Around phoenix, you never wear a jacket, and are trapped inside during the hot months. Just a 10 minute walk to a convenience store an make you feel like your burning and your core temperature will rise enough to make you sweat like pig. Humidity is low enough to make it tolerable except when the wind blows the heat into you. Monsoon season is coming up with slightly lower temperatures, but the addition of humidity and dust/thunderstorms. Lately, I get up at around 5am and am at work by 7 so that I can come to work when it's relatibely cool and come home to lock myself inside before the temperature peaks arrive. Morning is the best time. I'm often up at 4am to go outside for a walk and get some exercise. In the evening, it doesn't start to cool off until late. On the plus side, the cost of living is pretty cheap and electricity is dirt cheap. Running the AC all month long last month with temperates up to 114-116 only cost $120. For a house I'd also use a swamp cooler (evaporating water cools the air and the air is fresh, not recirculated) Another plus side is it is only three months of the summer that are hellacious. Fall should be lovely. For mongo's sake, my wife will be coming out here soon so he'll get more attention. He's also starting to show some indoor kitty behavior like getting inside cabinets to explore and following me around like a dog. He does this thing like a horse rearing up on it's rear legs in order to do his best headbutt possible. This cat likes to play hide-and-seek in the mornings. It's the hot afternoons and evenings when he takes to howling. >> On the topic of AZ... My husband were born and raised in S. CA. We >> were thinking about moving out to Scottsdale sometime next year... You [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > the heat into you. Monsoon season is coming up with slightly lower > temperatures, but the addition of humidity and dust/thunderstorms. You did not mention that shortly after the first monsoon storms, all those pools of standing water come ALIVE with those little frogs! Tens of THOUSANDS of them all over the place. Phoenix is a "special place". LOL > Lately, I get up at around 5am and am at work by 7 so that I can come to > work when it's relatibely cool and come home to lock myself inside before [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > headbutt possible. This cat likes to play hide-and-seek in the mornings. > It's the hot afternoons and evenings when he takes to howling. > You did not mention that shortly after the first monsoon storms, all those > pools of standing water come ALIVE with those little frogs! Tens of > THOUSANDS of them all over the place. Phoenix is a "special place". >LOL I've not seen that in 30 years of living here. Maybe out in rural areas or something but not in town. Sounds kinda cool, though. Phoenix *is* special; it's not for your run-of-the-mill wimps. There are not too many places where one frequently hears, "It's only going to be 105 today." Candace Candace <maccandace@aol.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >> You did not mention that shortly after the first monsoon storms, >> all those pools of standing water come ALIVE with those little [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Candace But it's a dry heat... I never thought much of that saying until I moved where in the 90s it's not such a dry heat and I was more comfy in LA in the 100s.  SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? Brandy Alexandre wrote: > But it's a dry heat... > > I never thought much of that saying until I moved where in the 90s it's > not such a dry heat and I was more comfy in LA in the 100s. That is very true. It's amazing how different 115 with humidity in the teens is compared to 105 with humidity in the 40s. Dry heat really is not all that bad. Unfortunately, in July, August, and September, the latter is what happens here and then it is very unpleasant. Monsoons are late this year. They usually arrive around 7/7 and they're not here yet. I just hope that doesn't mean they're going to last longer. Candace Candace <maccandace@aol.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Brandy Alexandre wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Candace And then there's what is does to your hair!!! Back to cats, though, Kami is much better in the humidity. She had regular asthma attacks, though far between her whole life in LA, then we moved and nary a one. When we were back there for four months it got so bad we went to the ER. Back home... nothing. So if it's better for her I can deal with my hair. SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? >> You did not mention that shortly after the first monsoon storms, all >> those pools of standing water come ALIVE with those little frogs! Tens [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Candace West of you in Buckeye is a Wal-Mart distribution/warehouse. I used to pickup/drop trailers there a lot. There were/are lots of dugouts around warehouses to catch water runoff from the large concrete drives around the docks. Those dugouts collect water which brings the frogs to life. It's scary the first time you see sooooo many of these little 1 inch long frogs everywhere. They come out late at night. Through all the years I've passed through Phoenix, one thing never changes. The crap tap water that tastes like it traveled the last ten miles to your faucet via a dirty, open concrete, drainage channel. BLAH. Besides the "only 105 today", Phoenix does a number on vehicle windshields. If the sandstorms don't get you, the afternoon heat from being parked in the sun will crack windshields. Oh ... let's not forget Desert Lung. > Through all the years I've passed through Phoenix, one thing never changes. > The crap tap water that tastes like it traveled the last ten miles to your > faucet via a dirty, open concrete, drainage channel. BLAH. It *does* get to your faucet that way; we call them "canals" though. I don't know anyone who drinks tap water. > Besides the "only 105 today", Phoenix does a number on vehicle windshields. > If the sandstorms don't get you, the afternoon heat from being parked in the > sun will crack windshields. Oh ... let's not forget Desert Lung. So, can I take it that you won't be relocating here? There are many lovely qualities to the Phoenix area and Arizona, in general. It's a beautiful state with more national land than any other, I believe, because of national parks, reservation land, forests, etc. The weather is perfect 9 months of the year. We even have culture here which we didn't when I first came: great symphony, many museums, restaurants, resorts, my alma mater, Arizona State University, (huge with many campuses, a major research university. We have everything but an ocean. If Buckeye is your major AZ experience, no wonder you think it's a dump. Candace snip >> Besides the "only 105 today", Phoenix does a number on vehicle >> windshields. If the sandstorms don't get you, the afternoon heat from >> being parked in the sun will crack windshields. Oh ... let's not forget >> Desert Lung. > > So, can I take it that you won't be relocating here? Correct. You and all the cats in Phoenix shelters are safe. LOL. > There are many > lovely qualities to the Phoenix area and Arizona, in general. WHOA. Don't lump Phoenix in with Arizona in general. Two entirely different discussions. > It's a beautiful state with more national land than any other, I believe, > because of national parks, reservation land, forests, etc. The weather > is perfect 9 months of the year. The weather in Phoenix is perfect 9 months of the year ... not the entire state. > We even have culture here which we > didn't when I first came: great symphony, many museums, restaurants, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Candace I never knew Buckeye existed until I got a load assignment to go there. In our private travels, the wife and I have spent vacation times in Tucson, Flagstaff, Safford, Globe, Prescott, and Sedona. We like the place but home is still soCal. >> Through all the years I've passed through Phoenix, one thing never changes. >> The crap tap water that tastes like it traveled the last ten miles to your >> faucet via a dirty, open concrete, drainage channel. BLAH. >It *does* get to your faucet that way; we call them "canals" though. I >don't know anyone who drinks tap water. The only place I've ever lived that was anywhere as bad as scottsdale water was orange county california. We used to use purified water to boil noodles. Ice cubes took on a milky color if we used tap water. The phoenix water is so bad that the dishwasher leaves a mineral film on everything. I've got screw on water purifers for both the kitchen and bathroom sinks. >>> Through all the years I've passed through Phoenix, one thing never >>> changes. The crap tap water that tastes like it traveled the last ten [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > water was orange county california. We used to use purified water to > boil noodles. Ice cubes took on a milky color if we used tap water. IMPOSSIBLE ... with the exception of the coastal communities for obvious reasons. > The phoenix water is so bad that the dishwasher leaves a mineral film on > everything. > > I've got screw on water purifers for both the kitchen and bathroom sinks. Well ok. We've established by anecdotal experiences to anyone considering moving to Phoenix that bottled water for drinks and cooking is necessary. I suppose it should be a given that house plumbing matters are exacerbated by the mineral levels. >>>> Through all the years I've passed through Phoenix, one thing never >>>> changes. The crap tap water that tastes like it traveled the last ten [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> water was orange county california. We used to use purified water to >> boil noodles. Ice cubes took on a milky color if we used tap water. >IMPOSSIBLE ... with the exception of the coastal communities for obvious >reasons. Orange county is on the coast. I was two towns away in costa mesa. The water was exactly like I described. Room-mate and I had 6 gallon ex-milk jugs that we'd take to a vending machine and fill up to have drinking and cooking water. At another place I had one of those reverse-osmosis purifiers. The politicians didn't give a sh.t; they had bottled water delivered. >> The phoenix water is so bad that the dishwasher leaves a mineral film on >> everything. >> >> I've got screw on water purifers for both the kitchen and bathroom sinks. >Well ok. We've established by anecdotal experiences to anyone considering >moving to Phoenix that bottled water for drinks and cooking is necessary. I >suppose it should be a given that house plumbing matters are exacerbated by >the mineral levels. >>>>> Through all the years I've passed through Phoenix, one thing never >>>>> changes. The crap tap water that tastes like it traveled the last ten [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > The politicians didn't give a sh.t; they had bottled water delivered. As I said, coastal communities excepted for the obvious reason that sea water does contaminate well waters in those coastal communities. But is false to say that all of OC is "on the coast" or to assert all of OC has ocean fouled water. BTW, using those soft, opaque (typically milk) containers are the worst offenders about leaching solvents from the plastic into the contained liquid. Want to prove it to yourself? Try making sun tea in one of those containers and a duplicate batch in a glass container. You'll gag because any strong tea accelerates the leaching process. For water, the only plastic container suitable for drinking water are the hard, clear plastic variety. >As I said, coastal communities excepted for the obvious reason that sea >water does contaminate well waters in those coastal communities. But is >false to say that all of OC is "on the coast" or to assert all of OC has >ocean fouled water. 1) OC's population is at least 20 times too high for well water. 2) OC's ground water is contaminated everywhere within any population density which means just about everywhere in OC. 3) OC is on the coast. Or, please, pray tell, tell me what county is between OC and the coast? >BTW, using those soft, opaque (typically milk) containers are the worst >offenders about leaching solvents from the plastic into the contained [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >plastic container suitable for drinking water are the hard, clear plastic >variety. I never had that problem. Perhaps it was because I wasn't making tea nor baking it in the sun. Do you also buy your milk in glass containers? Do you gag on milk in a plastic container. You're obviously arguing just for the sake of arguing. >> As I said, coastal communities excepted for the obvious reason that sea >> water does contaminate well waters in those coastal communities. But is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > 3) OC is on the coast. Or, please, pray tell, tell me what county is > between OC and the coast? Talk about arguing for its own sake. May I inform you that my city (within OC) is on well water. Been that way from the beginning which is why orange groves centered here. Whatever you mean by "contaminated" must be defined because you use the term soooooo loosely. And in closing, once again, not all of OC well water is contaminated with ocean water, the exceptions being those cities with coastlines and some of the cities that border those cities with actual coastlines. >> BTW, using those soft, opaque (typically milk) containers are the worst >> offenders about leaching solvents from the plastic into the contained [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I never had that problem. Perhaps it was because I wasn't making tea > nor baking it in the sun. AS I said, the chemistry of any tea along with sunlight accelerates the leaching of solvents and polymers from those opaque plastic containers. > Do you also buy your milk in glass containers? > Do you gag on milk in a plastic container. Do you see a difference between making sun tea vs. storing cold MILK in a dark refrigerator? Is there a chemical difference between tea and milk? I know the answer. But you do not seem to. Philip <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >> 1) OC's population is at least 20 times too high for well water. >> 2) OC's ground water is contaminated everywhere within any [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > those cities with coastlines and some of the cities that border > those cities with actual coastlines. I'm not sure where this started or what the argument is, but I must interject that not all of OC is coastal, and in fact little of it is. I lived in Garden Grove, my sister in Anaheim, both in OC and neither anywhere near the coast. Not all of Orange County is coastal, and actually far from it. The OC coastal cities are pretty much Huntington Beach, Newport Beach, Dana Point, Laguna Beach, etc. Inland OC includes Santa Ana, Cypress, Fountain Valley, Costa Mesa, Irvine, Westminster, Stanton, Buena Park, Fullerton, Mission Viejo, Tustin, and that's all I can think of without looking at a map. SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? > Philip <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in > rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Westminster, Stanton, Buena Park, Fullerton, Mission Viejo, Tustin, and > that's all I can think of without looking at a map. Brandy, thank you for supporting my position. But I should point out that Costa Mesa means "Flat land next to the coast." Costa Mesa's potable water has been known to taste a little tanky at times. But nothing as consistantly canal-ish as Phoenix,AZ. Philip <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >> I'm not sure where this started or what the argument is, but I >> must interject that not all of OC is coastal, and in fact little [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Mesa's potable water has been known to taste a little tanky at > times. But nothing as consistantly canal-ish as Phoenix,AZ. Can't say that I've drank (drunk?) the water in AZ except at The Pointe where I'm sure it's had something done to it. Back to cats, Kami wouldn't drink the water after the Northridge quake. I'm pretty sure it's because she was spoiled with bottled water I always have stored (leftover Mormonisms) or if it did something to the water by shaking up the pipes, stirring up the reservoirs or whatever, but I took her lead and wouldn't drink tap either. SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? > Philip <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in > rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > the pipes, stirring up the reservoirs or whatever, but I took her lead > and wouldn't drink tap either. I seem to recall something about various gases within the earth can quickly contaminate ground water after an earthquake. >Philip <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in >rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >>> 1) OC's population is at least 20 times too high for well water. >>> 2) OC's ground water is contaminated everywhere within any [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> those cities with coastlines and some of the cities that border >> those cities with actual coastlines. >I'm not sure where this started or what the argument is, but I must >interject that not all of OC is coastal, and in fact little of it is. >I lived in Garden Grove, my sister in Anaheim, both in OC and neither Both of those are a thirty minute drive, traffic permitting, from the coast. They're coastal. > On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:27:46 GMT, Brandy Alexandre <brandy@kamikaze.orgy> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Both of those are a thirty minute drive, traffic permitting, from the > coast. They're coastal. Coastal: 1: Seashore 2: a slide down slope 3: the immediat area of view of a body of water. But by your loose definition, Yuma, Arizona is coastal when viewed from Billings, Montana. In the context of this exchange, a coastal community is one whose potable drinking ground water is contaminated by ocean water sufficient to taste at the tap. Such is not the case were I live in OC. How sad.... It sounds like your Mongo needs a friend. Maybe you and your wife need to start having kids... hahaha! ... Like Mongo isn't enough right now? =) Have you thought about getting him a playmate? On the topic of AZ... My husband were born and raised in S. CA. We were thinking about moving out to Scottsdale sometime next year... You don't seem to be too thrilled about being there? Do you have any advice or opinions you would want to share about AZ with us??? =) LOL........I feel for you. I have a Siamese mix who is nic named Miss Mouthy. You said it all if she isn't happy then no one is allowed to be. I love here dearly and she has the biggest personality and is the most lovable cat I've ever but I seriously don't know if I'd ever have another cat with any Siamese in it. Celeste > I recently relocated to an apartment in sunny hellacious Scottsdale Arizona > starting a new job. Right now lows are around 80-90, highs around 105-115. I [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > As a siamese cat, when mongo isn't happy, nobody else is allowed to be happy. AZ Nomad <aznomad@PmunOgeBOX.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > As a siamese cat, when mongo isn't happy, nobody else is allowed > to be happy. Kami is half Siamese and I guess she got that from mom. If you won't listen she'll make you hear. Gorgeous kitty, BTW. Kami has a ringtail because her mother was a lynx. You can only see it in certain light. SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? |
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