> > > > > A friend's female cat was moaning and whining and she
> > > > > apparently calmed the cat by sticking a glass rod up its
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> > > want to breed them by doing this. However, I've never heard of using a
> > > glass rod, which sounds potentially dangerous - it seems the most
common way of
> > > doing it is to use a Q-tip.
> >
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> even when it does the queen can take 24-48 hours to come out of call,
> during which time she can mate the usual way and get pregnant!
More great points you make. I'm unclear in your last sentence if you're
referring to the vasectomised tom or the Qtip approach. (I don't have
access to any vasectomised toms.) Perhaps there is something better
than a Qtip? Something you can sterilize first by say boiling?
Mary - 15 Jul 2005 17:37 GMT
> > > > > > A friend's female cat was moaning and whining and she
> > > > > > apparently calmed the cat by sticking a glass rod up its
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> access to any vasectomised toms.) Perhaps there is something better
> than a Qtip? Something you can sterilize first by say boiling?
Maybe you can just get the gd cats fixed and stop masturbating them?
Surely one has better things to do. :)
Philip - 15 Jul 2005 18:50 GMT
>> More great points you make. I'm unclear in your last sentence if you're
>> referring to the vasectomised tom or the Qtip approach. (I don't have
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> Maybe you can just get the gd cats fixed and stop masturbating them?
> Surely one has better things to do. :)
(Mary says with a knowing smiley face)
PawsForThought - 15 Jul 2005 17:57 GMT
> > > > It's not an urban myth. Many breeders calm their queens down if they
> don't
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> > > is a great treatment for those not wanting to neuter if its an indoor
> cat.
Doesn't sound like a great treatment at all to me. Sounds like keeping
a cat constantly in heat and all the stress involved, and doing this
thing with a Q-tip is pretty awful :(
surabaya.nospam@optusnet.com.au - 16 Jul 2005 15:05 GMT
They don't actually stay constantly in heat - the stimulation causes
them to ovulate and therefore come out of heat. But you're right,
being repeatedly in season is extremely stressful for a cat, so you'd
want to have a good reason for keeping them intact in the first
place... and the Q-tip thing isn't as effective as say a vasectomised
tom anyway. Actually I was told a horror story by one of my friends -
someone was buying a kitten from them and said he'd been told by the
lady that bred his other (female) cat that he could bring her out of
season by using **a ballpoint pen**!!!!!! AAARRRGH!!!! This sounds
like that psycho who advocated cleaning cats' teeth with a carpentry
nail!!!! There is always some nasty thoughtless moron somewhere...
Catherine
Philip - 16 Jul 2005 23:56 GMT
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> Actually I was told a horror story by one of my friends -
> someone was buying a kitten from them and said he'd been told by the
> lady that bred his other (female) cat that he could bring her out of
> season by using **a ballpoint pen**!!!!!! AAARRRGH!!!!
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> Catherine
Was this back in the days before email?
Or maybe she was using feather quill pen?
;^)
Trish - 15 Jul 2005 23:03 GMT
> > > > > > A friend's female cat was moaning and whining and she
> > > > > > apparently calmed the cat by sticking a glass rod up its
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> access to any vasectomised toms.) Perhaps there is something better
> than a Qtip? Something you can sterilize first by say boiling?
How about the tip of your nose, then go for it pervie
Philip - 15 Jul 2005 23:52 GMT
>>>>>>> A friend's female cat was moaning and whining and she
>>>>>>> apparently calmed the cat by sticking a glass rod up its
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>
> How about the tip of your nose, then go for it pervie
Hahahhaa. I was thinking that earlier and then ... decided to say nothing.
surabaya.nospam@optusnet.com.au - 16 Jul 2005 14:59 GMT
> > > > > > A friend's female cat was moaning and whining and she
> > > > > > apparently calmed the cat by sticking a glass rod up its
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> access to any vasectomised toms.) Perhaps there is something better
> than a Qtip? Something you can sterilize first by say boiling?
I'm referring to both, but using a vasectomised tom is much more
effective. You could use a sterile cotton bud (Q-tip)(although I think
that using a sterile implement is essential, you will still be
mechanically moving bacteria around that are present in the genital
tract, which could be an issue). However I want to stress that
breeders do this in order to bring a girl out of season and into
metoestrus because they want to postpone a mating (for example if the
girl has come back into season and she still has young kittens, or they
are trying to give her a break before her next litter). It's certainly
not a viable alternative to spaying and nobody would recommend it to
anyone who was looking for a way to avoid spaying a cat they don't
intend to breed from anyway. There are lots of health problems
associated with being sexually intact, especially if the cat is never
bred. Leaving aside mammary cancer, putting a queen repeatedly into
metoestrus makes it highly likely for her to contract a pyometra, and
if this happens when she is no longer in season and her cervix is
closed, the first you might know about it is when she drops dead!
Cheers,
Catherine (many of the breeders I know use a vasectomised tom, but
never on maiden queens and never twice in a row. I think using a
cotton bud is a lot less effective at stimulating ovulation, too.)
Ricky - 17 Jul 2005 19:30 GMT
> > > > > > > A friend's female cat was moaning and whining and she
> > > > > > > apparently calmed the cat by sticking a glass rod up its
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> never on maiden queens and never twice in a row. I think using a
> cotton bud is a lot less effective at stimulating ovulation, too.)
I want to thank everyone for some well thought out responses here.
Especially Surabaya. I will get the cat to the Humane society first
thing. In our city there are so many strays, so getting her fixed will
assure me she won't contribute to the problem. If this cat was going
to be kept in an apartment, I the owner was convinced that spaying
causes problems, that might be different. AND it could be accomplished
easily, safely and last a significant period of time....but that is not
the case. It was abandoned and I'm about to travel. Thanks again.