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jmc - 12 Jul 2005 05:01 GMT
It's 5:00am here, and my cat is having a Cystitis attack, clearly blood
in her urine this time.  Vet appt is at 9am; they say it's not life
threatening, and it's *really* expensive to do out of hours visits).

Is there anything I can do to help her until we can get to the vet?

jmc
Rhonda - 12 Jul 2005 05:26 GMT
Hi JMC,

Sorry your cat is sick. Do you have sub-q fluids at home? Any way to get
your cat to drink more water right away?

I don't know a lot about cystitis, it's been years since we had a cat
with an attack. How is she acting?

I think if I had a cat in that situation and a vet I trusted said it's
okay to wait a few hours, and she wasn't in immense pain, I'd probably
wait. My experience at the emergency vets is you usually have to wait an
hour or more anyway.

Good luck, let us know how she's doing,

Rhonda

> It's 5:00am here, and my cat is having a Cystitis attack, clearly blood
> in her urine this time.  Vet appt is at 9am; they say it's not life
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>
> jmc
jmc - 12 Jul 2005 05:52 GMT
Suddenly, without warning, Rhonda exclaimed (12-Jul-05 5:29 AM):

>> It's 5:00am here, and my cat is having a Cystitis attack, clearly
>> blood in her urine this time.  Vet appt is at 9am; they say it's not
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>
> Rhonda

Thanks.  No subq.  Best I could do is lock her in the bathroom with some
water (since otherwise, she's trying boots, and corners, etc).  She's
obviously uncomfortable, and only able to pee a drop at a time - she's
had one other attack, this one's much worse.

This isn't an emergency vet, this is my regular vet, and I could have
called her in if I wanted - but as she's really expensive in the first
place, the callout cost is much, much higher (been there, done that), so
 I wanted to go during normal hours, if it doesn't hurt Meep.  I don't
think anything they do gives immediate relief anyway.  At least, it
didn't last time.

Thanks for your advice.  It's just difficult to see her distressed, and
not do anything.

jmc
Alison - 12 Jul 2005 09:09 GMT
> It's 5:00am here, and my cat is having a Cystitis attack, clearly blood
> in her urine this time.  Vet appt is at 9am; they say it's not life
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>
> jmc>>

  I can't think of anything, sorry. I hope she will be ok . Its a
horrible situation to be in. My cat suffers from this and the waiting
seems endless.
Alison
jmc - 12 Jul 2005 16:56 GMT
Suddenly, without warning, Alison exclaimed (12-Jul-05 9:09 AM):

>>It's 5:00am here, and my cat is having a Cystitis attack, clearly
>
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> seems endless.
>  Alison

Followup question:

How long after treatment should she find some relief?  She was given an
antibiotic and antiinflammatory at around 9am.  It's now nearly 5pm, and
unless she's been really good at finding a corner, she hasn't gone yet.
 I'm waiting as I need to bring a sample to the vet, so they can figure
out what sort of crystals she has (couldn't get a sample this morning).

Vet said to call at 6 if she hasn't gone yet, but she normally goes only
in the early morning, and may be 'holding it' expecting to be let
outside, or because she really doesn't like the tiny pile of
nonabsorbent 'perls' in her box in lieu of the deep litter she prefers.

jmc
Alison - 12 Jul 2005 18:22 GMT
> Followup question:
>
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>
> jmc>>>

Kim's last bout was over a year ago AFAIR she would stop running
around and straining  with in a couple of hours.  She would probably
do a golf ball size wee  5 or 6 hours after seeing the vet. I think by
the time she got to the vet she was all peed out from the straining
and doing small pees so I didn't expect her to do much more weeing.
I wouldn't worry if you can't get a urine sample for the vet yet, it
can be done later. I think if this were me, I would put back her old
litter to encourage her . She is probably upset with being in pain and
going to the vet and I think its more important that she wees in her
old litter than not wee at all.  Its  important  she gets lots of
moisture. Is she on a dry diet?  Soak it if she is . If she is on
canned, add a little water to it.
Is she more settled and less agitated now ? I hope so.

There is a stoneforming cat group you can join, its a bit quiet but
you can read up past posts for information

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/stone_forming_cats_2/?yguid=155021439

Alison
jmc - 12 Jul 2005 18:29 GMT
Suddenly, without warning, Alison exclaimed (12-Jul-05 6:22 PM):

>>Followup question:
>>
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>
>  Alison

Thanks.  Yea, she has no interest in the litterbox at all, so I think
she's fine.  I'll probably offer a second litterbox in a slightly
unusual place with her usual litter, just to avoid 'accidents'.  The
vet's in a long consultation just now, she's supposed to call me when
she's done, help me decide if I should be worried.  My instincts say I
shouldn't be though, and I'm a very paranoid cat mommy :)

I *will* be worried if she hasn't peed by the time we wake up tomorrow,
though...

I keep her on as much canned/wet food as she'll eat, and she gets some
free-choice dry.  Needed, because of her teeth (don't you love health
issues with competing treatments?)  Also, she won't touch it if it's
even damp.  I've tried her 100% wet, but she'd rather starve than eat a
food she doesn't like...

Thanks for your feedback.  This is very stressful for both of us, we're
both learning how to deal with this.

jmc
Alison - 12 Jul 2005 18:47 GMT
>.  The
> vet's in a long consultation just now, she's supposed to call me when
> she's done, help me decide if I should be worried.  My instincts say I
> shouldn't be though, and I'm a very paranoid cat mommy :)>>.

I think most of us are the same:) It's hard not to worry and  its best
to be
on the safe side.

>> I *will* be worried if she hasn't peed by the time we wake up
tomorrow,
> though...
>
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> even damp.  I've tried her 100% wet, but she'd rather starve than eat a
> food she doesn't like...>>>
My vet gave me dental chews but Kim wouldnt eat them:( so her teeth
will probably have to be cleaned soon, the first time since I've had
her.  She has Feline idiopathic cystitis. I just daren't give Kim
dried food . She has a GAG supplement Cystease to line her bladder and
a Feliway diffuser .

> Thanks for your feedback.  This is very stressful for both of us, we're
> both learning how to deal with this.>>

I know how you feel! Hopefully,  she will be better soon and you'll
be able to take steps to prevent it happening again.
Are you in the UK?
Alison

> jmc>>
jmc - 12 Jul 2005 18:59 GMT
Suddenly, without warning, Alison exclaimed (12-Jul-05 6:47 PM):

 She has a GAG supplement Cystease to line her bladder and
> a Feliway diffuser .

What, exactly, is that?  Meep's on Glucosamine...

>  Are you in the UK?

Yes.  Why?

jmc
Alison - 12 Jul 2005 19:59 GMT
> Suddenly, without warning, Alison exclaimed (12-Jul-05 6:47 PM):
>
> > > What, exactly, is that?  Meep's on Glucosamine...>>

It's the same. Its just easier to say GAG <G>
This is the actual supplemnt she has . I get it from my local vet.
http://www.parkvets.com/microsite/flutdgag.html

> >  Are you in the UK?
>
> Yes.  Why?>>

Me too:)

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jmc - 12 Jul 2005 21:03 GMT
Suddenly, without warning, Alison exclaimed (12-Jul-05 7:59 PM):

>>Suddenly, without warning, Alison exclaimed (12-Jul-05 6:47 PM):
>>
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>
>  Me too:)

I think this may be the product - or something extremely similar - that
Meep was prescribed last time.  Fortunately, the vet thinks that the
version made for joints will work.  This is what I've been giving her
(she's predisposed to arthritis due to really bad hocks, and luxating
patellas).  As I'm an American posted here, I get my stuff from
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/.

At any rate, she's doing fine this evening.  Hasn't used either box (I
did set up a second box with her normal litter, but set it in the tub),
but seems content, if a bit sore.  If there's still nothing tomorrow
(most likely out of stubbornness), I'll make another vet appt, they've
got ways of making her pee :)

She is quite put out I haven't let her outside though...

jmc
Jean B. - 12 Jul 2005 23:31 GMT
> Suddenly, without warning, Alison exclaimed (12-Jul-05 7:59 PM):
>
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>
> jmc

WHEN did she last pee?  WHY do you think it is cystitis and
not crystals/a stone and a blockage, which is life-threatening?

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jmc - 13 Jul 2005 06:17 GMT
Suddenly, without warning, Jean B. exclaimed (12-Jul-05 11:31 PM):

>> Suddenly, without warning, Alison exclaimed (12-Jul-05 7:59 PM):
>>
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> WHEN did she last pee?  WHY do you think it is cystitis and not
> crystals/a stone and a blockage, which is life-threatening?

This morning, around 3am.  'Cause the doctor said so, and because this
has happened before.

jmc
Jean B. - 13 Jul 2005 15:07 GMT
> Suddenly, without warning, Jean B. exclaimed (12-Jul-05 11:31 PM):
>
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>
> jmc

Just checking.  So much of my rpch+b time is taken up by the
Conan saga that I undoubtedly missed this.

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Jean B.

jmc - 13 Jul 2005 18:53 GMT
Suddenly, without warning, Jean B. exclaimed (13-Jul-05 3:07 PM):

>> Suddenly, without warning, Jean B. exclaimed (12-Jul-05 11:31 PM):

>>> WHEN did she last pee?  WHY do you think it is cystitis and not
>>> crystals/a stone and a blockage, which is life-threatening?
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> Just checking.  So much of my rpch+b time is taken up by the Conan saga
> that I undoubtedly missed this.

Yea, I'm considering adding "subject: conan; body:conan" to my kill
filters.  Would reduce the messages down to almost nothing.  I'm just
ignoring them now, since it's degenerated basically to name-calling and
he-did-she-did.

Anyway, she's just fine now (whew!).  At least till the next time :(

jmc
Jean B. - 14 Jul 2005 02:52 GMT
> Yea, I'm considering adding "subject: conan; body:conan" to my kill
> filters.  Would reduce the messages down to almost nothing.  I'm just
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>
> jmc

I'm glad she's okay.  I am just sensitive to pee issues now,
since Mingy was blocked and had crystals in January....

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Alison - 13 Jul 2005 14:34 GMT
> WHEN did she last pee?  WHY do you think it is cystitis and
> not crystals/a stone and a blockage, which is life-threatening?

 I would think if she were blocked she would still be straining and
being restless.
 Alison
Alison - 13 Jul 2005 14:40 GMT
> > I think this may be the product - or something extremely similar -
that
> Meep was prescribed last time.  Fortunately, the vet thinks that the
> version made for joints will work.  This is what I've been giving her
> (she's predisposed to arthritis due to really bad hocks, and luxating
> patellas).  As I'm an American posted here, I get my stuff from
> http://www.drsfostersmith.com/.>>.

 That's a great site. They have lovely cat toys.  Did you bring Meep
over here on the Pets Passport Scheme. Its sounds like it's a
complicated business.
I hope Meep is better today .
Alison
chas - 13 Jul 2005 15:53 GMT
After reading all thru this I now curious....

has she been yet?

chas
jmc - 13 Jul 2005 18:50 GMT
Suddenly, without warning, chas exclaimed (13-Jul-05 3:53 PM):
> After reading all thru this I now curious....
>
> has she been yet?
>
> chas

Musta missed my earlier.  Yup, at 3am this morning.  She's back to
normal today, doing her usual, "Hi!  Let Me Out Now!" when we got home.
 Last night, it was "I'm under the bed, leave me alone!"

The sample was rather on the pinkish side (expected), I'm still awaiting
results.  We have a followup on Friday.

jmc
 
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