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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / July 2005Kennel question
God knows I long ago gave up trying to follow the Conan threads, so I'm completely out of touch, but the one thing I don't understand is that four letter word, "kennel". Why are kennels considered so bad? My cats always go to the cattery (or kennels) when we're in the UK and they have plenty of space, including their own private run, and are very well cared for. I'm assuming all US kennels are 2 ft x 2 ft x 2 ft, judging by the posts here, but maybe, just possibly, if Conan is in a kennel it's as nice as the ones I pay for for my cats in UK? Helen If the cat is in the kennel that Mary suspects he is, and it seems logical to me, then no, he doesn't have a private run. He's in a contained cage area and has a daily play visit to a larger area. I don't think anyone thinks he is being maltreated or abused there, it's simply a question of being transferred around from shelter to home to hospital to shelter to cattery in less than six weeks, while arrangements for a home of his own have been stymied for reasons that are, at best, unclear. Based on the newspaper advertisements, it seems that all existing applicants have been rejected, and no new ones have emerged, so the cats future remains somewhat spotty, and at a tariff of $12/day plus the cost of classified ads, the arrangement has to be somewhat temporary. It all seems somewhat unnecessary for a cat who was offered three permanent living arrrangements two weeks ago. > If the cat is in the kennel that Mary suspects he is, and it > seems [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > unnecessary for a cat who was offered three permanent living > arrrangements two weeks ago. BTW, who placed those local newspaper ads? Were they placed on Monica's behalf without her knowledge? How would I know? I thought you knew everyting. Guess not. > How would I know? I thought you knew everyting. Guess not. I know only from what is factual so the rhetorical question has an answer I already know. >BTW, who placed those local newspaper ads? Were they placed on >Monica's behalf without her knowledge? It also seems a little incongrous to me that somebody trying to *help* place the cat without Monica's knowledge would have changed both the name and the age of the cat. Anybody from here would have been likely to continue to call the cat Conan and to describe him as a two year old cat. > BTW, who placed those local newspaper ads? Were they placed on > Monica's behalf without her knowledge? What's wrong Philip, remote control not working? Curtain a little too heavy >> BTW, who placed those local newspaper ads? Were they placed >> on [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Curtain a little too heavy Just got larger spoon with longer handle. > If the cat is in the kennel that Mary suspects he is, and it seems > logical to me, then no, he doesn't have a private run. He's in a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > somewhat temporary. It all seems somewhat unnecessary for a cat who was > offered three permanent living arrrangements two weeks ago. Precisely. It is just pure callous meanness. Meanness in the true sense of the word--nasty, petty, and spiteful. Do you think Dan Mahoney would put his cat Harri in there for 2 weeks? >> If the cat is in the kennel that Mary suspects he is, and it >> seems [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > sense of the word--nasty, petty, and spiteful. Do you think Dan > Mahoney would put his cat Harri in there for 2 weeks? CAN I put YOU there for a week or two ... all expenses paid so you can speak from experience, Mary? > CAN I put YOU there for a week or two ... all expenses paid so > you can speak from experience, Mary? If you do, please give her a big ball of yarn to play with so she can choke to death. Please. -L. >> CAN I put YOU there for a week or two ... all expenses paid so >> you can speak from experience, Mary? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -L. Consider it done. No charge to you. Bloody Bollocks Mary ... may she someday (soon) rest in peace. Helen <helenandcats@DONOTSPAMntlworld.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > God knows I long ago gave up trying to follow the Conan threads, > so I'm completely out of touch, but the one thing I don't [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Helen The kennels at the vet's office are larger than that and the socialized cats are let out to play, and the non-soc get to come out for a while after the others go back in. In contrast, the private kennel I put her in once was HORRIBLE. I arranged for a double, but they blocked the opening to the extra space with litter box (I wanted the double because she doesn't like to share a room with the box). And she came back with fleas. I think you just have to visit your chosen place a few times and how the animals are acting. If they look content, as far as boarding allows, and you trust those who run it, it's not sending them to hell or boot camp.  SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? I think it all depends upon the place you board them at. You really have to do your homework and check the place out. Not only boarding wise but emergency care to. I don't board my current cats but in the past I had an asthmatic cat who required medications daily. I looked at private facilities and none of them at the time met my needs. What I did was approach the vet who did emergency care on my cat once or twice and asked about boarding her there. They usually didn't do that type of service but since she was so asthmatic and understood my concern about leaving her somewhere that they might not recognize she's having problems right away the did it for me. I could leave then knowing that if she had an attack that she was at the vets and they could immediately take care of her. Nothing happened the few times I boarded her there other than she became really chummy with the vets cats. Celeste > God knows I long ago gave up trying to follow the Conan threads, so I'm > completely out of touch, but the one thing I don't understand is that four [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Helen > God knows I long ago gave up trying to follow the Conan threads, so I'm > completely out of touch, but the one thing I don't understand is that four [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Helen The kennel is called Four Paws near Highland CA. Google it. There is a "play room" but for most of the time the animals are kept in cages. It is only costing Dan and Monica $12 a night. Certainly the cheap cost is partly why he is still there. Suddenly, without warning, Mary exclaimed (11-Jul-05 10:08 PM): >>God knows I long ago gave up trying to follow the Conan threads, so I'm >>completely out of touch, but the one thing I don't understand is that four [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Dan and Monica > $12 a night. Certainly the cheap cost is partly why he is still there. $12 a night is cheap? What's considered normal? Here in the UK, I keep Meep in the poshest, most expensive cattery in the area (none of the others met my requirements, except for one, but this is the one she prefers), new big runs and awesome care, and it costs me around $10/night, depending on the exchange rate (£4.50). And one should *always* check all the catteries in the area carefully. Talk to other cat owners. Talk to your vet, some may give a recommendation. Ask questions. Sniff (one of the places looked good, but reeked of pee). And pay close attention to how the cats are taking their 'incarceration'. jmc Mary. I know you're upset and I know why, but I'm not sure exaggerating the depth of the problem is helping a lot. Honestly, I don't think $12 night is cheap. I think it's bloody expensive - more than $400/month. That is a lot of money to spend on a cat that isn't yours. If the average adoption at a no-kill shelter takes about a month (I think that's what Kelly said) and IME it can often take two or three months, especially if it's kitten season, the cat is NOT on constant display to people looking for cats, and the standards for adoption have been set rather high. That's a potential bill of $800+ for this cat rescue. Not chump change. It makes me worried for the cat, however well-intentioned people might be. I also don't honestly think cruelty or abuse are relevant terms. The cat is not necessarily worse off than he was before Phillip entered his life and he seems safe from euthanasia. The point is that all of this moving and waiting and adjusting to different environments and different people is stressful for an animal. Sometimes it can't be avoided. In this case, with three homes available, it certainly could have been. And given that the cat has suffered multiple abandonments and illness, and could use some stability and TLC, I don't see the point except to meet human needs to demonstrate who is a better cat rescuer. > Mary. I know you're upset and I know why, but I'm not sure exaggerating > the depth of the problem is helping a lot. Honestly, I don't think $12 > night is cheap. I think it's bloody expensive - more than $400/month. It is all relative. > That is a lot of money to spend on a cat that isn't yours. If the > average adoption at a no-kill shelter takes about a month (I think [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > chump change. It makes me worried for the cat, however well-intentioned > people might be. You appear to be waffling. Point is, $400 a month is chump change to lots of people. $4000 a month is to some people. > I also don't honestly think cruelty or abuse are relevant terms. The > cat is not necessarily worse off than he was before Phillip entered his [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > point except to meet human needs to demonstrate who is a better cat > rescuer. I appreciate your input and disagree with you in that cruelty and abuse are indeed relevant terms. Cats have emotions and this cat was on his way to a happy home before Dan Mahoney and Monica Towle interfered. I have some down time at the moment as I am out of town and there is only so much I can do work-wise. This particular situation is one I was prepared to act on and am still prepared to act on. There is a place for creativity in most tasks, after all. :) No waffling. I find the actions of Monica and crew to be unnecessary, duplicative, and unfortunate. I'm just naturally inclined, perhaps, to the less colorful use of language. We are in the same place on this, believe me :> >, I don't think $12 >night is cheap. I think it's bloody expensive - more than $400/month. I cannot imagine a business plan that would make it worth anyone's while to offer boarding for less than $12. Considering overhead, staffing, litter, food costs plus the need for profit how can anyone say that $12 is high end? -mhd > >, I don't think $12 > >night is cheap. I think it's bloody expensive - more than $400/month. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > staffing, litter, food costs plus the need for profit how can anyone > say that $12 is high end? I don't have my invoice handy, but I think Hodge's bill this trip was $8.50 a day. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ >>, I don't think $12 >>night is cheap. I think it's bloody expensive - more than $400/month. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >staffing, litter, food costs plus the need for profit how can anyone >say that $12 is high end? I was thinking this too. You'd have to have a lot of business, cheap rent, and cheap labor to offer this service at much less. Who would want a business of scooping poop and cleaning cages if it didn't have a decent profit? $12 sounds like a low or very reasonable amount. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > $12 a night is cheap? What's considered normal? Here in the UK, I keep > Meep in the poshest, most expensive cattery in the area (none of the > others met my requirements, except for one, but this is the one she > prefers), new big runs and awesome care, and it costs me around > $10/night, depending on the exchange rate (£4.50). You're lucky! (shades of the Four Yorkshiremen here). I paid over £6 a day per cat two years ago, heating extra. Did get 10% off one cat's bill because of them sharing, but even so, I was paying almost £18 a day for three cats. But I checked out many, and this is the best one for us. Harpsie loves watching the ducks on the duckpond (-; In any event, it's so much cheaper than the petsitter ($44 a day plus tax)... Helen > In any event, it's so much cheaper than the petsitter ($44 a day plus > tax)... > > Helen Wow, Helen, now that's really expensive. I pay $15 to $20 a day for a petsitter (and we don't have to pay tax). My sister found this wonderful woman that will even stay in your house if you want her to. We used her for our last trip and Mickey and Meesha fell in love with her. The only problem is because she's so popular, you need to book somewhat in advance. Lauren See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe > $12 a night is cheap? What's considered normal? $12/night is about average in CA - most places charge between $10-15. -L. > > The kennel is called Four Paws near Highland CA. Google it. There is a "play > room" > but for most of the time the animals are kept in cages. It is only costing > Dan and Monica > $12 a night. Certainly the cheap cost is partly why he is still there. >>> Has it been confirmed that Conan is there? US catteries must be expensive if 12 dollars is cheap. Uk charges vary around the country starting from four or five pounds a day . Generally the cats have a sleep/eating inside area and an attached outside area I hope Conan doesn't have to wait much longer for his forever home. Alison > God knows I long ago gave up trying to follow the Conan threads, so I'm > completely out of touch, but the one thing I don't understand is that four [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Helen Kennels come in all sizes - some are small rooms. No one knows for sure whether Conan is even in a kennel. And most boarding facilities let the cats out to large playrooms during the day. Conan is not suffering. -L. >God knows I long ago gave up trying to follow the Conan threads, so I'm >completely out of touch, but the one thing I don't understand is that four [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >but maybe, just possibly, if Conan is in a kennel it's as nice as the ones I >pay for for my cats in UK? Most shelters and kennels have fairly small cages. After all, they are limited for space and have a ton of cats to place. And they aren't going to get a lot of attention, and certainly not much exercise. Personally, I would never board my cat anywhere. Much better to pay somebody to come to my house. The only time my cats spend in a cage like that is if they are at the vet for care. The main problem in this case is that Conan was supposed to be going to a home, so there was no reason for him to go to a kennel. It's not going to kill him - it just isn't what we had planned for him. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > Most shelters and kennels have fairly small cages. After all, they are > limited for space and have a ton of cats to place. And they aren't > going to get a lot of attention, and certainly not much exercise. But this is the bit I don't get. There is a heck of a difference - to me at least - between a rescue type facility or a vet's office, and a commercial kennel/cattery. Like I said, my cats go to the UK cattery, with outdoor run and view of the duckpond. Somewhat different to a cage in a place where they are waiting to be found a home. > Personally, I would never board my cat anywhere. Much better to pay > somebody to come to my house. The only time my cats spend in a cage > like that is if they are at the vet for care. I wouldn't put mine in a cage either, but then where they go in England is not like that. Actually, this reminds me how many Americans thought Karma would be in a cage when she was in quarantine. When in fact she had her own room! Helen >> Most shelters and kennels have fairly small cages. After all, they are >> limited for space and have a ton of cats to place. And they aren't [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >and view of the duckpond. Somewhat different to a cage in a place where they >are waiting to be found a home. Most commercial kennels, or at least the ones I have seen, do cages. . They may be a little larger than the vet cages, but they are still pretty cramped. Definitely not my first choice. I suppose there are expensive ones with larger spaces Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com |
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