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Miner At The Dial-A-View - 22 Sep 2003 21:47 GMT
Looking for some advice concerining my 15 year old (that's OAP status,
right?) cat here...

Over the last couple of months my cat has spent as much time as she
possibly can outdoors and is really reluctant to stay indoors.  It's got
to the point now where she comes into the kitchen for food and
after she finishes eating, she immediately goes and sits by the back door
and will keep sitting there until she is let out.  No amount of calling
her will get her to come voluntarily into any other part of the house.  
If we pick her up and carry her into the living room, she'll run out into
the kitchen straight away.

She seems perfectly healthy (despite her age) and is still chasing
insects/mice/birds.  Her appetite is as good as it ever was.  Initially
we thought it might be because of the hot summer, but now it's the middle
of september and it's getting colder but she's still the same.

So does anyone have any ideas as to why she doesn't want to stay inside?

Oh, and here's some pics of her! :-

http://www.cageofmonkeys.co.uk/pics/cat.JPG
http://www.cageofmonkeys.co.uk/pics/trotsky2.jpg

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Karen - 22 Sep 2003 23:35 GMT
> Looking for some advice concerining my 15 year old (that's OAP status,
> right?) cat here...
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> http://www.cageofmonkeys.co.uk/pics/cat.JPG
> http://www.cageofmonkeys.co.uk/pics/trotsky2.jpg

Does she sense winter is coming and wants to make the most of it?

Karen
Miner At The Dial-A-View - 23 Sep 2003 13:50 GMT
Karen said...

> > Looking for some advice concerining my 15 year old (that's OAP status,
> > right?) cat here...
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>
> Does she sense winter is coming and wants to make the most of it?

It's a possibility.  It's still not particularly cold or rainy at the
moment, so I don't think I need to start worrying just yet.

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Sherry - 23 Sep 2003 14:29 GMT
>> Over the last couple of months my cat has spent as much time as she
>> possibly can outdoors and is really reluctant to stay indoors.

Mine do that sometimes. When they were younger, though. It was always during
the time of year when the seasons change. (Like now, we're coming of days on
end of 100+ temperatures into a gorgeous autumn). I always thought, either,
like us, they like to enjoy the cooler weather, or maybe the little critters,
moles and mice and such, are more active and the hunting is good.
Sherry
Luvskats00 - 23 Sep 2003 02:38 GMT
Miner At The Dial-A-View andrew@spamcageofmonkeys.co.uk writes

>Over the last couple of months my >cat has spent as much time as she
>possibly can outdoors and is really >reluctant to stay indoors.

You don't mention how your cat started going out in the first place. Given that
the general viewpoint outside the US is that leaving a cat outdoors is OK and
that - in the US -  the experts warn us to keep the cats inside...I will ask
you to think about this.  One program that does focus on cat fatalities and
serious injuries is called "Emergency Vets" on Animal Planet.  The majority of
cases do focus on  the unfortunate deaths and serious injuries of cats allowed
to roam outside. Letting a cat roam outside is not unlike gambling with the
cat's life. Cats are domesticated and do quite well indoors (with access to
screened windows).  Cats can't read "Walk/Don't Walk" signs...tell red from
green lights..they don't look both ways to cross the street..they don't know
the tasty liquid coolant/antifreeze leeking from a car is toxic and will cause
them to have seizures and die...they might not escape from the deadly clutches
of the big neighborhood dog..they might not know that sleeping behind a tire of
a car is a dangerous thing..and they won't know that the group of kids coming
up the street have plans to grab him/her and cause harm.
Miner At The Dial-A-View - 23 Sep 2003 13:56 GMT
Luvskats00 said...

> >Over the last couple of months my >cat has spent as much time as she
> >possibly can outdoors and is really >reluctant to stay indoors.
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> a car is a dangerous thing..and they won't know that the group of kids coming
> up the street have plans to grab him/her and cause harm.

Yes, I'm in the UK, and it's normal practise to let your cat outdoors and
I don't really see any problem with it.  I always have done, and probably
always will.

I don't live in a city, there aren't any busy roads nearby and when she
does go out she rarely goes further than the back garden.  Cats aren't
stupid, they can recognise danger when they see it, and I think my cat
would be mightily annoyed if we refused to let her outside.

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kaeli - 23 Sep 2003 14:24 GMT
> Cats aren't
> stupid, they can recognise danger when they see it,

If that were true of all cats, none would die from poison, bad people,
dog attacks, coyotes, cars, etc...

If the cat stays in your garden, she's pretty darn safe, though,
assuming you don't have any local predators who can get in. When I get a
house, I *will* find a way to cat-proof the yard if it kills me.  :)

(just saw yet another dead cat by the side of the road this morning -
*sigh*)

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Debbie - 24 Sep 2003 19:17 GMT
I don't think a cat is gonna get killed by a coyote in Britain. duh

> If that were true of all cats, none would die from poison, bad people,
> dog attacks, coyotes, cars, etc...
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Debbie - 24 Sep 2003 19:19 GMT
> Yes, I'm in the UK, and it's normal practise to let your cat outdoors and
> I don't really see any problem with it.  I always have done, and probably
> always will.

 I let mine out . They're happy healthy cats .

> I don't live in a city, there aren't any busy roads nearby and when she
> does go out she rarely goes further than the back garden.  Cats aren't
> stupid, they can recognise danger when they see it, and I think my cat
> would be mightily annoyed if we refused to let her outside.

 So would mine , they don't need anyone to look out for them , they
take care of themselves.

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Luvskats00 - 23 Sep 2003 02:39 GMT
That is one gorgeous cat!
Miner At The Dial-A-View - 23 Sep 2003 13:56 GMT
Luvskats00 said...

> That is one gorgeous cat!

I know :-D

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m. L. Briggs - 23 Sep 2003 03:15 GMT
>Looking for some advice concerining my 15 year old (that's OAP status,
>right?) cat here...
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>http://www.cageofmonkeys.co.uk/pics/cat.JPG
>http://www.cageofmonkeys.co.uk/pics/trotsky2.jpg

Us she a polydactyl?
Miner At The Dial-A-View - 23 Sep 2003 13:57 GMT
m. L. Briggs said...

> >Looking for some advice concerining my 15 year old (that's OAP status,
> >right?) cat here...
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>
> Us she a polydactyl?

You're gonna have to explain that one to me...

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Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 23 Sep 2003 14:33 GMT
> You're gonna have to explain that one to me...

Polydactyl cats have more than the designated number of claws on each paw.
Usually 6.  They make very good mousers and one theory was that they will
more often be found in coastal areas because sailors preferred them for
their ships.  That's just a bit of trivia for you!

I've noticed my cat seems to want to go out more and more.  She dashes
outside as soon as the door is open and at night time she doesn't want to
come in!  I think it's because it's the perfect weather for her--not too hot
and not yet too cold (I'm in the Canadian prairies, so it will get very cold
very soon).  Plus the birds are starting to travel south, giving her a lot
of eye-candy!

Last week, she dashed out before I could get her harness on and ran half-way
up a tree!  I didn't even know she could climb trees, since she can't jump
very high at all!

rona
Sherry - 23 Sep 2003 14:41 GMT
>Polydactyl cats have more than the designated number of claws on each paw.
>Usually 6.  They make very good mousers and one theory was that they will
>more often be found in coastal areas because sailors preferred them for
>their ships.  That's just a bit of trivia for you!

Neat trivia! I'll tell Yoda, who is, unfortunately, a dreadfully landlocked
kitty. I dont know much about other polys, but over the years Yoda has learned
to use those extra toes as "thumbs" and is really good at opening cabinet doors
and such. His feet are so fun to play with. If you rub the pad with your
finger, he curls his toes around your finger, like a baby does. Here's a pic of
Yoda's feet
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Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 23 Sep 2003 17:49 GMT
> Neat trivia! I'll tell Yoda, who is, unfortunately, a dreadfully landlocked
> kitty. I dont know much about other polys, but over the years Yoda has learned
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> Yoda's feet
> http://www.members.aol.com/sriddles/toes.jpg

Them's big feet!  My cat isn't a polydactyl, but she also curls her paws
around my finger.  I love it when she does that (even though she usually
does it to keep me from petting her).

rona
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Miner At The Dial-A-View - 23 Sep 2003 21:37 GMT
Rona Yuthasastrakosol said...

> > You're gonna have to explain that one to me...
>
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> up a tree!  I didn't even know she could climb trees, since she can't jump
> very high at all!

Thanks for the info, very interesting.  But my cat's feet are normal
AFAICT.

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Luvskats00 - 23 Sep 2003 21:50 GMT
> Last week, she dashed out before >I could get her harness on and ran
>half-way
> up a tree!  I didn't even know she >could climb trees, since she can't >jump
very high at all!

You mean that when you started putting the harness on she got up, opened the
door, and dashed out? I'm sure you wouldn't think of opening the door and then
while she had access to the outside, you'd then start putting on the harness.
Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 23 Sep 2003 23:02 GMT
> You mean that when you started putting the harness on she got up, opened the
> door, and dashed out? I'm sure you wouldn't think of opening the door and then
> while she had access to the outside, you'd then start putting on the harness.

No, she dashed out as soon as I opened the door.  When I get home, I open
the door just a crack and shoo her away so I can get inside, but sometimes
even when shooed away, she'll make a dash for the door before I can get it
closed.  She's pretty fast.  It's especially difficult when two of us come
home at once since the door is open for a slightly longer period of time.  I
normally keep her harness on at all times for that very reason.  It's easier
to catch her when she dashes out the door, and it's easier to get her leash
on than her harness.  Sometimes, though, I take it off to give her a break
from it and give her a full brushing.  That time she dashed up the tree was
one of the times I hadn't put her harness back on.

rona
PawsForThought - 25 Sep 2003 00:19 GMT
>From: "Rona Yuthasastrakosol" prasantrin@yahoo.com

>No, she dashed out as soon as I opened the door.  When I get home, I open
>the door just a crack and shoo her away so I can get inside, but sometimes
>even when shooed away, she'll make a dash for the door before I can get it
>closed.  She's pretty fast.  It's especially difficult when two of us come
>home at once since the door is open for a slightly longer period of time.

Have you ever tried keeping a can of pennies outside, and then you can just
shake it before you come in to scare kitty away from the door.
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>> From: "Rona Yuthasastrakosol" prasantrin@yahoo.com
>
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> can just shake it before you come in to scare kitty away from the
> door. ________

When I had problems with one that liked to try to run out when I came
home I rang the doorbell first before coming in.  Worked every time.
Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 25 Sep 2003 04:36 GMT
> When I had problems with one that liked to try to run out when I came
> home I rang the doorbell first before coming in.  Worked every time.

For some reason, that attracts my cat to the door :-).  My mother usually
rings the doorbell when she comes home, so Kitty knows it's a sign that the
door will open.  I always thought she was afraid of cars because when
outside, car sounds make her hide behind me.  However, she seems to know our
car because when we get home, she's always waiting by the door.  I just open
it a crack and she sticks her nose out.  Sometimes I open the door a crack,
then shut it really quickly so it makes a loud thud.  That will sometimes
scare her away, but is beginning to work less often, and I can't do it when
she has already stuck her nose or paw in the crack.  The only sound I know
she is afraid of is that of a lawnmower, but that one isn't really
practical.  I'll try the can of pennies, as Lauren suggested (thanks
Lauren!).  Hopefully that will work for a few weeks (or at least until the
first snowfall, after which she won't want to go outside anymore!).

On the plus side of having a cat that loves to go outside, when I shake her
leash she runs to the door and sits so I can put it on her.  Then when she
comes inside, she'll sit just inside the door until I take her leash off.
Who says cats can't be trained :-)?

Thanks for the suggestion!  If I can't find anything else that works, maybe
we'll change our doorbell to a louder and scarier (to her) sound.  That
might finally work!

rona

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k conover - 27 Sep 2003 04:30 GMT
I bark and growl a little like a dog....it works :-)
Kirsten

> > When I had problems with one that liked to try to run out when I came
> > home I rang the doorbell first before coming in.  Worked every time.
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> rona
 
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