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LC - 10 Jul 2005 23:19 GMT
My 6 year old cat who lives to go out and play each day and who has has
happily spent hours and hours sitting on a comfy cushion in the window,
refuses to go out since last Tuesday and is terrified to sit in the window
looking out, (even with the window closed) preferring instead to hide under
a bed.   Today, when we persuaded her to sit in a window in the sweltering
heat ran for her life when a fly came past the window.   Before this would
simply fascinate her and she would want to play.

When we do get her anywere near a window (or take her out forcibly in the
car) she continually scans the sky as if that is where the 'danger' is
coming from.....but today it was just a fly that terrorised her.  Later a
fly got into the house and she injured herself trying to hide and get away
from the buzzing fly.

Help !  Any ideas ?    We thought at first she would not go out because a
neighbour might have installed an ultrasonic alarm to keep cats
away......but no - other cats happily sit in our garden from next door.  We
took her to my parents house and let her out in the back garden - she ran
terrified for the house, so it is outdoors everywhere that is 'bad'.   We
let her walk from our car by herself to my parents front door the next night
and she headed straight for the front door like a train and practically ran
my father over in her eagerness to get into the house.   She feels safe in
the car, always has been a good little traveller, but I am perplexed.   Any
ideas ?   Will we ever get kitty to go out again ?   She wants to.....she
ocasionally goes to the front door, but once you open it for her, she tears
off up the stairs and hides under the bed or under a rug (where we are not
supposed to see her).

Be grateful for any advice or even to know if anyone has experienced a
similar experience ?    Pusscat is so depressed, she is flopping all over
the place and sleeping 18 hours a day, not eating as normal etc.  I am so
sad for her....she is my baby.  Tomorrow we will go to the vet now we have
tracked it down to being bothered by just a fly, but there is a wealth of
experience with cats here.

Laura
Candace - 10 Jul 2005 23:30 GMT
> Be grateful for any advice or even to know if anyone has experienced a
> similar experience ?    Pusscat is so depressed, she is flopping all over
> the place and sleeping 18 hours a day, not eating as normal etc.  I am so
> sad for her....she is my baby.  Tomorrow we will go to the vet now we have
> tracked it down to being bothered by just a fly, but there is a wealth of
> experience with cats here.

Although I prefer to keep my cats inside for safety reasons, I know
this is not the case for everyone as they may have very safe
surroundings.

Do you have mockingbirds where you live?  Here we have them and I see
them dive bombing and grabbing on to the back fur of the neighborhood
cats.  I would think that would be traumatic and I see the cats duck
under bushes to get away from them.

How about something more sinister, like a hawk or some predator bird
going for her?  Would that be possible in your location?

They seem to get scared of noises a lot.  Maybe there was a loud noise?

I've read on this ng of other cats getting freaked by some event.  I
believe that, in time, it usually dissipates and the cat goes back to
normal behavior.  Probably a good idea to take her to the vet, though,
as you are planning.

Candace
chas - 10 Jul 2005 23:40 GMT
Check your cat for having been stung by a bee or wasp or even a hornet.

If a buzzing fly is upsetting her to that extent perhaps she has
accidentally disturbed a nest or something whilst she was out - or even just
one stinging insect that has actually stung her. One wasp can sting
repeatedly, and although herein the UK it's not quite wasp season, they are
about.

Another thing it could be is seagulls. They can be really vicious if they
have young about.

I would not force her to go out (apart from to the vet) or sit in the
window. Let her get her confidence back in her own time.

chas
LC - 11 Jul 2005 00:01 GMT
Chas, thank you :)   The bees are on my list also.....magpies or bees are
strong contenders.    Will get the vet to take a thorough look, she is not
happy with us examining this leg too much, so just apply soothing Fuciderm.
No, now that we have seen the reaction to outdoors everywhere as opposed to
just here, she is not being forced but eveytime she asks to go out, she is
obliged with the door being slowly opened.  However, once open, she is
overwhelmed and rushes back to the dark safety of under the bed - either
that or straight to the kitty litter.

Laura

> Check your cat for having been stung by a bee or wasp or even a hornet.
>
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> chas
LC - 10 Jul 2005 23:50 GMT
Candace, thank you - we are in Ireland - have never seen a mocking bird
here - that sounds so exotic :)    But we do have magpies and she also has a
bad injury to the back of one paw that we only saw after 2 days of this
strange behaviour - its at the very top tucked in under the hip and she
hides it very well.  (I have now cut away the surrounding excess fur today
to give better access to the area in order to medicate - she loves me
trimming her long tummy fur in summer so I was allowed to do this.)    We
thought first the cause of her rushing back into the house after asking to
go out was an alarm, then we moved to the magpies theory after the visit to
my parents house test and further examination of the leg, but today we have
switched to the fly/bees theory.   (Logic being that she may have disturbed
a bee's nest, they buzz just like flies to kitty.)   I guess it could indeed
be the magpies.....and now even a small thing flying is bothering her ?
Yes, there has been a hawk around here about a year ago - quite rare though.

Don't get me wrong, I would *LOVE* if she had made a happy decision of her
own accord to become an indoor house pet....(we have tried to persusade her
to this way of thinking with limited success as in much reduced time spent
outdoors)...but she didn't choose this happily, its against her nature and
now she is so depressed.   I normally work from home so she can have the
window open to come and go as she pleases, which she does, and has a very
well settled routine.   Now her routine is completely shot.   Kitty came to
us as a little stray, who had fended for herself on the streets through the
winter, while pregnant and almost died of pneumonia.   She is now the most
pampered pusscat on the earth :) and our house basically runs around her.
I cannot bear to see her not even confident in her own home....she won't
approach the windows which she loves !   Even if we take her to the window
there is only a 50/50 chance she will consider it safe to remain there for
even a few minutes (upstairs windows being considered safer than downstairs
ones)

Laura

> > Be grateful for any advice or even to know if anyone has experienced a
> > similar experience ?    Pusscat is so depressed, she is flopping all over
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> Candace
PawsForThought - 11 Jul 2005 01:31 GMT
> she also has a
> bad injury to the back of one paw that we only saw after 2 days of this
> strange behaviour - its at the very top tucked in under the hip and she
> hides it very well.  (I have now cut away the surrounding excess fur today
> to give better access to the area in order to medicate - she loves me
> trimming her long tummy fur in summer so I was allowed to do this.)

> outdoors)...but she didn't choose this happily, its against her nature and
> now she is so depressed.

Has she been seen by a vet?  The depression could be due to her injury.

Lauren

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Candace - 11 Jul 2005 02:21 GMT
> Candace, thank you - we are in Ireland - have never seen a mocking bird
> here - that sounds so exotic :)    But we do have magpies and she also >has a
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> to give better access to the area in order to medicate - she loves me
> trimming her long tummy fur in summer so I was allowed to do this.)

Poor kitty, yes, it sounds like she might have been stung by a bee.

>Even if we take her to the window
> there is only a 50/50 chance she will consider it safe to remain there for
> even a few minutes (upstairs windows being considered safer than >downstairs
> ones)

I'm sure she'll be okay after a little time.  Have you been able to see
what the injury looks like?  Does it look like s sting?  It must be
connected to her fear.  Are you still going to take her to the vet.

Let us know how it goes.

Candace
William Hamblen - 11 Jul 2005 03:46 GMT
> Poor kitty, yes, it sounds like she might have been stung by a bee.

Kitty might have been savaged by a dog or another cat.  I think they
will react to that more than being stung.  We had one cat that was
stung on his nose by a bumblebee.  He was swollen for a day, but it
didn't affect his behavior.  On the other hand, Red wasn't the sharpest
knife in the drawer.  The only thing that really frightened him was the
vacuum cleaner.  He would just wail when he was in the same room with
a running vacuum cleaner, and he would be wary of one turned off.

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John Doe - 11 Jul 2005 17:24 GMT
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> Although I prefer to keep my cats inside for safety reasons, I
> know this is not the case for everyone as they may have very
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> How about something more sinister, like a hawk or some predator
> bird going for her?  Would that be possible in your location?

Possible for any location I suppose.

I and my indoor-only cats enjoy observing nature and even listen
to the outside sounds through an external microphone. About three
months ago, apparently a mother hawk brought her young to our
inner big-city, a residential area with lots of trees. We were
glad for the opportunity. Sometimes the hawk(s) would fly in for a
drink at the birdbath. Unfortunately for the hawks, the local
birds (grackles, mockingbirds, and blue jays) took offense to them
being around. Usually high in the trees, the hawks were badgered
and chased around for months. More than once, I saw a grackle
chasing a hawk which had a few feathers missing. Many times, blue
jays ganged up on a hawk, shrieking and dive bombing (in the trees
at very close range), until the hawk would fly to another tree
branch. The young hawk(s) often cried all day, apparently waiting
for its mother to bring a dead carcass. The crying went on usually
for several days at a time.
mlbriggs - 11 Jul 2005 00:15 GMT
> My 6 year old cat who lives to go out and play each day and who has has
> happily spent hours and hours sitting on a comfy cushion in the window,
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>
> Laura

She may have been attacked by something -- either a hornet, bee, magpie or
other bird.  Magpies and ravens go for the eyes.  Keep her in the house
where she feels and will be safe,   MLB
Karen - 11 Jul 2005 01:06 GMT
> My 6 year old cat who lives to go out and play each day and who has has
> happily spent hours and hours sitting on a comfy cushion in the window,
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>
> Laura

Something scared her. I wouldhave her checked to make sure she isn't ill,
but then let her gain her confidence in her own time. You just can't *make*
her want to go out again. Give her time to get over whatever it is. I'm
certain she will. Please keep us posted.
clfr@adelphia.net - 11 Jul 2005 23:46 GMT
> My 6 year old cat who lives to go out and play each day and who has has
> happily spent hours and hours sitting on a comfy cushion in the window,
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>
> Laura

No parallel experience here w/ my cats (they're indoor cats), but...

Assuming she's not hiding because she's ill, my guess is that she had a
frightening experience last time she was outside.  Perhaps she was
dive-bombed by a bird?

Otoh, since she's depressed (listless?) & not eating as well as usual,
I'm glad tyou have a vet appt. already set up for her.  

Cathy
LC - 12 Jul 2005 00:48 GMT
Thank you all so very much for your different ideas and thoughts.
Late last night kitty left the house after 6 days. under cover of
darkness......there were no flies buzzing around late at night and as she
asked to go out for the umpteenth time,  I decided to let her, sure that she
would run back in after a few seconds.....but the little madam went out
slowly at first, at 12:30am and did not return until 5:25 am, except to come
back occasionally and say hello, accept a little tuna, but not to come in.
We tried chasing her many times to come back in (a game where she usually
eventually concedes) but she was happy enjoying a good time after many days
of being cooped up and in the end we let her play, it was a warm night and
we were just so relieved she went out and seemed happy and comfortable with
it....little sexy catwalk parading up and down confidently......simply
amazing !  Much better than the cowering, terrified little scrap of fur she
was earlier.    We took the decision then, as she had taken that first huge
step, not to freak her out any further today by taking her to the vet
(extremely traumatic experience for kitty).     I saw the vet today alone
without kit - the vet agreed to see me without her as she is very well
acquainted with kitty, in fact Kitty represents her particular pet subject,
its also hard to forget kit, she is so compelling and adorable.      Where
to begin ?

She thinks its highly likely that the leg is probably something kitty did to
herself (as my husband has said also for a while) since kitty is prone to
picking out her own fur, regularly taking out the third eyelid etc. although
the fur removal has been mostly confined to the head area and specifically
the eyes.   Kit has been doing very well with this problem for the last 12
months though, at least I thought she had.    She thinks that it is most
likely a bee sting or indeed with kit, it could be something she dreamed
although considering the force of kit's reaction, she believes it is a real
experience rather than an imaginary one.  My concern, as was the vets, is
how to calm her down sufficiently to allow her to begin to move on.   We had
the time to properly discuss kits full background as she was not there
stressed, wanting to go home NOW, all strange problems related to the fact
that she is hypersenstive, highly intelligent, highly strung, the vet warned
me that she is highly manipulative etc etc. a whole lot of other highlys and
to a great extent I have created a monster by pandering to her every whim.
(Yes, we have built our lives around kitty - she is super-loved).   All of
these things I already knew and love kitty for.      We had a long
discussion where we likened her to a person with Asperger's Syndrome to try
to relate to make a human comparison and the vet said that this is a case
where I cannot treat her as you would another cat.  I needed to encourage
her and not pander too much too any new demands, for example, only feeding
her upstairs for the last 6 days as she refused to come downstairs to
eat.....basically if I know she can come downstairs (she can) then maintain
her normal routine as much as possible, this will help relax her as she
loves routine - and she really does !!   Kit has eaten much cream and
chicken downstairs this evening - always susceptible to bribes, kit
understands the game, so long as she feels safe.     Kit wanted to go out
again this morning first thing (7:30am) skipped down to the door, saw a
beautiful sunny day and her daughter (the cat next door) waiting on the
doorstep to play with her, but this time she also saw a fly on the doorstep.
This had the by now familiar reaction- she let  out a simple whimper that
says "I'm terrified" and retreated at fantastic speed upstairs to hide under
a bed.     This time when I looked under the bed she had not flopped out
flat in depressed state, and back as far as possible, instead she was
sitting up, only halfway back and still looking lucid and bright-eyed and
interested.   She hopped straight out for me with just talking to her, and
went immediately to an upstairs window so the confidence is finally
building.   All good signs.  We have waited until 6pm to bring her
downstairs today, in the meantime I pampered her upstairs and let her sleep
a lot....it took 3 times of collecting her and bringing her down to get her
comfortable enough to stay downstairs and then she settled magically back to
her favourite window complete with comfy cushion.    Tonight she has asked
to go out again, at 10:00pm when darkness hit, and she is still out playing
right now.    She refuses to come in to this moment - 00:45 and I suspect I
am in for another long night.  For now, I don't care, it is worth it to see
that spark in her eyes and body language.

So, for now, she will have to be a night cat when the flies go to sleep and
the buzzing stops.  In winter there will not be so many flies around and I
hope in time she conquers her fear.  I am sure she will with coaxing, love
and where necessary, bribery. :)   Meantime, we will put her on Prozac to
help her calm down (something which I was supposed to do some time ago in
relation to previous behaviours I had not associated with this.)   I held
off before as I was afraid of her becoming addicted, side-effects, how to
wean her off etc, but the vet told me it is slightly diff. for cats in terms
of addiction, I will watch closely for any adverse reaction, and we will
make it a short term affair, as in 8-10 weeks to see the effects and
reaction.   The vet was not entirely hopeful she will overcome this one
completely, due to the personality involved, but I remain confident in my
little kit, she is amazing.  I respect this vet a lot but I also know
something of determination and willpower and kit's will to go out is STRONG.
She will overcome.     The vet also gave me the name of a cat behaviour
specialist whom she says would be fascinated to meet with my kit and try to
understand her and help her, so we may go there in the future, not for now,
not until kit is more sure of herself when there are blue daylit skies
about.

Thank you all so much for your responses.

Laura

> > My 6 year old cat who lives to go out and play each day and who has has
> > happily spent hours and hours sitting on a comfy cushion in the window,
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>
> Cathy
Alison - 13 Jul 2005 20:15 GMT
Hi Laura
,This is a very interesting case so to speak . It would be good if you
could get to see the behaviourist . They usually come to your house
but perhaps the one your vet recommended lives too far away.
 What tests have your vet done? Sometimes "behaviour" problems can
have a medical cause.
Allergies can cause a cat to chew its fur.
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_eosinophilic_granuloma.html
Alison

> Thank you all so very much for your different ideas and thoughts.
> Late last night kitty left the house after 6 days. under cover of
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LC - 15 Jul 2005 14:27 GMT
Alison, just to add also, in addition to my other post, the only thing that
gives her relief is a cortisone injection (think it is cortisone anyway)
which gives 3-4 months relief  from genuine symptoms and breaks the habit of
scratching when she is not itchy, but also has a lot of risks attached so
she only got this last winter , winter being the worst season for her,- and
will get it again next winter, but not when she gets a bit older as it masks
any other symptoms of illness and as they get older I guess they are at
greater risk of ill health.  It also shortens her life slightly for each
injection, so not to be taken lightly.

Laura

> Hi Laura
> ,This is a very interesting case so to speak . It would be good if you
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Mary - 15 Jul 2005 17:08 GMT
> Alison, just to add also, in addition to my other post, the only thing that
> gives her relief is a cortisone injection (think it is cortisone anyway)
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> greater risk of ill health.  It also shortens her life slightly for each
> injection, so not to be taken lightly.

Why does she have to go outside?
LC - 16 Jul 2005 11:46 GMT
Mary, because she desperately wants to.....it is at the last moment after
asking to go out that she either sees a fly or hears a buzzing or has a
flashback and then she runs away, terrified with a whimper (only a problem
in daytime now).   She is desperate to a)go 'out to play' with her daughter
who lives next door and they pal together all the time.   b) to patrol and
mark her territory against any other cats than the one above (she is the
dominant cat who protects her daughter and 'graciously' allows her daughter
to live in the garden).

> > Alison, just to add also, in addition to my other post, the only thing
> that
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> Why does she have to go outside?
Mary - 16 Jul 2005 17:37 GMT
> Mary, because she desperately wants to.....it is at the last moment after
> asking to go out that she either sees a fly or hears a buzzing or has a
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> dominant cat who protects her daughter and 'graciously' allows her daughter
> to live in the garden).

Okay, I guess I did not understand. I thought she was cowering inside
and you were forcing her out. You mentioned dogs and your husband
staying out there to protect her from them--were you joking? I imagine
you were since you don't sound like the type who would endanger
her or any cat. I just worry that something genuinely scary frightened
her and that there may be a good reason she wants to stay inside.
LC - 19 Jul 2005 08:56 GMT
No, no, goodness me.....I have no children, this cat is my most precious
baby....I don't know anyother cat that is more pampered.  Seriously.  My
husband adores her, she is his baby also.  Not sure where I mentioned dogs,
but I can tell you that dogs never pose a problem for her as cats are so
agile, they can run/jump/hide if faced alone for a moment by one.  As we
live in a housing estate, dogs are a feature of every day life, several of
them, every day pass up and down, some pay no attention whatsoever to the
cats (every second neighbour has a cat it seems), some try their case,
mostly the small nippy dogs.   The thing that is very funny with Sister and
her behaviour around dogs is that if it is just her and me at home and she
is playing on her windowsill or in the garden, she will simply jump up to
the windowsill and into the house (flight) then watch, from the safety of
whatever spot she chooses, as I shoo the dog away, with a relaxed smug look
on her face (i.e. not so brave when she is alone in the garden or if I am
there.)

*However*, if my husband (the great protector in her eyes) happens to be out
in the garden either playing with her or working in the garden and a dog
comes along, my goodness it is hilarious to watch because she becomes very
very brave indeed (flight, you must be joking) and she will happily take
steps *towards* the dog and face it down in a staring match, secure in the
knowledge that my husband is there to back her up and chase the dog away if
necessary.   She will even chase it herself on occasion - I have never not
known a dog turn and run when both cat and owner are present.    She trusts
completely that he will 'save' her from any dog.   That's the dog story :)
Now, if only she would trust the same for flies..........but we are getting
there in the daily sessions he spends out the back with her.

To your last sentence, you are right - something genuinely scary has
frightened her (probably beesting -buzz buzz which is why buzzing flies are
scaring her) and it is our work now to help her overcome that fear and go
back to leading a normal happy and fulfilled life :)     She does some
cowering and we do some forcing (daytime only) as my vet advised this cat is
diff. to any other in psychological makeup......All I can say is that it is
working......she goes out by herself now around 7:30pm-midnight   and
7am-10am.....When she is forced out of the house (which is the afternoon
time - she does not deem this time to be safe) always with her Great
Protector present to comfort her, she now takes about 3 minutes to settle
down, then runs and plays and refuses to come in now in the last 2 days
until she is good and ready to - excellent !!  Even last week during these
sessions, she would watch the door and run for the house anytime the door
gave a hint of being open.   She is not back 100% but goodness me, I would
say 65-70% now.  Even the house was not fully safe 10 days ago, in her eyes.
Its fast progress.  I want to see her confident and happy again.  The last
35% will probably take the longest time, perhaps until next spring as the
seasons change and flies and bees die down only to begin to appear again....

Laura

> > Mary, because she desperately wants to.....it is at the last moment after
> > asking to go out that she either sees a fly or hears a buzzing or has a
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> her or any cat. I just worry that something genuinely scary frightened
> her and that there may be a good reason she wants to stay inside.
Alison - 15 Jul 2005 21:40 GMT
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> Alison, just to add also, in addition to my other post, the only thing that
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> Laura>>

Hi Laura,
I  read your other post earlier but wanted to read up about allergies
and also about behaviour modifying drugs before replying . My own cat
Kims suffers from eos. granuloma:(
Alison
 
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