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Amy V - 10 Jul 2005 03:13 GMT
Hello -
About 3 weeks ago, my husband and I rescued a litter of 4 kittens in our
neighborhood. After fostering them with lots of help and guidance from our
local VSA volunteers, they all have new homes.

We had seen momma kitty when she was pregnant, but could never trap her or
even get close. She came to our door the day after the last kitten was
adopted, looking extremely skinny and messy. She has allowed me to bring her
in, bathe & brush her (!) and has been eating and sleeping well for 2 days
now. Our plan is to get her spayed and adopted out.

My VSA contact is out of town, and we are worried that there might still be
another kitten outside. Reason is, momma has 2 nipples that have swelling
underneath and protrude, while the others are all flat and dry. She
frequently rolls on her side and begins kneading - and has allowed me to
touch those 2...nothing is being expelled, but I'm just not sure why they're
puffy.

Can anyone give me some advice? We've looked and looked outside, and she
really is calm and relaxed on our 3-season porch -- I'd think she'd be
clawing the screens if there were babies still out there...thanks for any
advice you can give...
CatNipped - 10 Jul 2005 03:36 GMT
> Hello -
> About 3 weeks ago, my husband and I rescued a litter of 4 kittens in our
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> clawing the screens if there were babies still out there...thanks for any
> advice you can give...

How old were the other kittens?  Queens will usually start weaning and
bringing back prey to demonstrate hunting/killing techniques at around 8 to
10 weeks.  I agree that she'd be fighting to get out if she still had
kittens to care for even if they were in the process of being weaned.  It's
possible that she had other kittens that died.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Amy V - 10 Jul 2005 03:53 GMT
The other kittens were between 5-6 weeks when we took them in, they were
between 8-9 weeks when we adopted them out.  We sit outside when it's quiet
at night to see if we can hear any crying, and we've been setting wet cat
food out near all her old stomping grounds...but nothing seems to be touched.
And she's just sleeping and purring the days away...thanks for your response!

>> Hello -
>> About 3 weeks ago, my husband and I rescued a litter of 4 kittens in our
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>
>CatNipped
CatNipped - 10 Jul 2005 03:59 GMT
> The other kittens were between 5-6 weeks when we took them in, they were
> between 8-9 weeks when we adopted them out.  We sit outside when it's quiet
> at night to see if we can hear any crying, and we've been setting wet cat
> food out near all her old stomping grounds...but nothing seems to be touched.
> And she's just sleeping and purring the days away...thanks for your response!

Yep, if she's not trying to get out I would say there are no more kittens
that need her.  Cats are the *best* mothers in the animal kingdom (remember
poor Scarlet who kept going back into a burning building to get her kittens
out - her ears were burned completely off but she still went back in until
all her kittens were safe).

Hugs,

CatNipped

> >> Hello -
> >> About 3 weeks ago, my husband and I rescued a litter of 4 kittens in our
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> >CatNipped
whitershadeofpale - 10 Jul 2005 04:05 GMT
> > >possible that she had other kittens that died.
> > >
> > >Hugs,
> > >
> > >CatNipped

True, but what about the mother cats engorged teets.
jmc - 10 Jul 2005 11:12 GMT
Suddenly, without warning, whitershadeofpale exclaimed (10-Jul-05 4:05 AM):

>>>>possible that she had other kittens that died.
>>>>
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>
> True, but what about the mother cats engorged teets.

I think they probably should be looked at by a vet, since noone here has
an answer.  Could be nothing - could be a medical issue.  Probably
nothing serious, as you said they don't seem to be painful.

jmc
Wendy - 10 Jul 2005 14:11 GMT
I would think if she's still engorged and you took the kittens you found
from her over 3 weeks ago then there probably was another kitten she was
nursing. It can take a while for the milk to dry up after they stop nursing
and two engorged teats would be about right for one kitten. I'd keep
listening just in case there still is a kitten out there but it may not have
made it and that's why she's as docile as you describe. Either way I'd
continue with the plan to get her spayed and adopted out as by this time she
would have been weaning the kitten anyway.

W

>> > >possible that she had other kittens that died.
>> > >
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>
> True, but what about the mother cats engorged teets.
KellyH - 10 Jul 2005 03:43 GMT
> Hello -
> About 3 weeks ago, my husband and I rescued a litter of 4 kittens in our
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> clawing the screens if there were babies still out there...thanks for any
> advice you can give...

She would probably be panicking and clawing to get outside if she had other
kittens.  It's possible that she did, but all you can really do at this
point is keep an eye out for them and set out some food to try to attract
them.
Queens take about 2-3 weeks to dry up their milk.  If nothing's coming out,
she's probably in the drying up stage.

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whitershadeofpale - 10 Jul 2005 04:00 GMT
> Can anyone give me some advice? We've looked and looked outside, and she
> really is calm and relaxed on our 3-season porch -- I'd think she'd be
> clawing the screens if there were babies still out there...thanks for any
> advice you can give...

That's really cool, I did that before.

I'd let her out at night, I'd even try to follow her, and hopefully
find a kitten.

Best to you.
Wendy - 10 Jul 2005 14:14 GMT
>> Can anyone give me some advice? We've looked and looked outside, and she
>> really is calm and relaxed on our 3-season porch -- I'd think she'd be
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>
> Best to you.

I think letting her out would be a very bad idea. The last thing anyone
needs is for her to take off and get pregnant again.

W
KellyH - 10 Jul 2005 15:23 GMT
> I think letting her out would be a very bad idea. The last thing anyone
> needs is for her to take off and get pregnant again.
>
> W

I second that! DO NOT let the cat out!  The kitten is old enough to survive,
if indeed there is one out there.

-Kelly
Rhonda - 10 Jul 2005 05:28 GMT
Hi Amy,

I would do what you are doing -- keeping leaving food outside and take
care of the mom.

What a wonderful thing you are doing for that little cat family! I'm
happy to hear that the mom came inside too.

Good luck finding a good home for her (unless she ends up deciding to
stay at your house...)

Rhonda

> Can anyone give me some advice? We've looked and looked outside, and she
> really is calm and relaxed on our 3-season porch -- I'd think she'd be
> clawing the screens if there were babies still out there...thanks for any
> advice you can give...
Debbie Wilson - 10 Jul 2005 12:26 GMT
> My VSA contact is out of town, and we are worried that there might still be
> another kitten outside. Reason is, momma has 2 nipples that have swelling
> underneath and protrude, while the others are all flat and dry. She
> frequently rolls on her side and begins kneading - and has allowed me to
> touch those 2...nothing is being expelled, but I'm just not sure why they're
> puffy.

Sometimes the mother cat can get mastitis - an infection in one or more
teats which can be nasty if untreated. Affected teats look swollen, feel
quite hard and are redder and hotter than normal. Probably best to let a
vet have a look to make sure this isn't the cause.

Deb.
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Alison - 10 Jul 2005 13:19 GMT
> Hello -
> About 3 weeks ago, my husband and I rescued a litter of 4 kittens in our
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> clawing the screens if there were babies still out there...thanks for any
> advice you can give...>>>

Well done for rescuing the mother cat and kittens:)  A feral cat will
start  bringing home live prey and weaning the kittens from about 5
weeks so if you leave food out any kittens left behind would have a
good chance of survival .
 I would have her checked by the vet as has been  suggested in case
she has mastitis or is pregnant again
 Alison
 
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